The Bridge

fbueckert

5:00 PM

@pixel D3 doesn't fail on the build front; it fails on the itemization front.

pixel

@fbueckert D3 just fails in general, the whole thing was a failure.

fbueckert

Where the chances of getting anything valuable is one in a billion.

GnomeSlice

@fbueckert I used to play Flyff. I fucked up my character by picking the wrong class for my stats.

SaintWacko

@fbueckert Although it does lack the ability to quickly change between skills

GnomeSlice

I hate games where you have to build your own stats.

pixel

5:00 PM

@GnomeSlice I love games where control is given to the player

fbueckert

@SaintWacko Not really. Change in town, no cooldown at all.

pixel

If you fuck up your stats by speccing 255 in swimming that is your fault.

SaintWacko

@fbueckert Right, but I mean in combat

GnomeSlice

@pixel So do I, but I suck dick at character building because I always want to have all the skills.

SaintWacko

@pixel But swimming is so useful! </sarcasm>

Wipqozn

5:01 PM

@fbueckert That was another flaw in D2. Not being able to easily respec in D2 was stupid. Putting 20 hours into a game only to find out your build is crap and you'll need to restart is terrible game design.

pixel

@SaintWacko wrong

GnomeSlice

@pixel Also, lmfao, have a star.

pixel

@GnomeSlice awwww

fbueckert

@SaintWacko That makes sense; you have a limited number of skills. If you want to be optimized for a single type of farming, find, do that.

GnomeSlice

@pixel It is if the game you're playing is Olympics 2012!

OrigamiRobot

5:01 PM

@Wipqozn They added respecing and it was the best patch ever.

GnomeSlice

@pixel ...Although not if you're a runner.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot Yeah, but you could only respec a few times until you got into late hell.

GnomeSlice

Also I just made that game up.

fbueckert

But the cost is that if you encounter something your build can't handle, well, that's YOUR fault.

SaintWacko

@fbueckert I guess they counterbalance it by having more than two skills available at a time

pixel

5:02 PM

@GnomeSlice Not if you're in a sprint

OrigamiRobot

@Wipqozn Still, if you need more than 3 respecs on a 10 year old game, what are you doing?

GnomeSlice

@Krazer Why are you avoiding the last letter in our letterpress game?

SaintWacko

@Wipqozn Part of the ES mod is free respeccing

GnomeSlice

@Krazer Sorry... I just won, and you should have won.

@Krazer Want to do another silly word game?

pixel

more importantly

Wipqozn

5:03 PM

@OrigamiRobot The age of the game doesn't matter.

pixel

why would you pay 100 gold to have a blue arrow above your head

GnomeSlice

@pixel ??

pixel

I think I only spent 6 gold while levelling from 1-80

@GnomeSlice context=guild wars 2

OrigamiRobot

@pixel Yea, since there was a correct way to stat and it was the same for every single class in D2, it's like they just said "FINE IF THAT'S HOW YOU'RE GONNA BE WE'LL JUST DO IT FOR YOU"

GnomeSlice

@pixel Is there always an arrow over your head, and you just change the colour?

pixel

5:04 PM

@OrigamiRobot "correct" is theoretical, there was no "correct" way to stat on a player to player basis

Wipqozn

Oh my. The main site is offline for maintence.

pixel

@GnomeSlice no

OrigamiRobot

@Wipqozn By the time they added respeccing, you should know how to build your duders.

@pixel In D2, yes there was.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot The idea is that if it your first time playing, that doesn't matter.

pixel

@OrigamiRobot I played D2 extensively, while I did min-max a lot, I did have multiple viable characters where I had assigned skill points randomly

by viable, I mean "capable of clearing all content reasonably effortlessly"

Krazer

5:06 PM

@GnomeSlice Those are my favorite kind of games~

OrigamiRobot

@pixel Enough Strength and Dex to meet the min reqs for your equipment and the rest in Vit. That was the correct way. Any other way and your char wasn't as good as it could have been.

In that context, I meant optimal when I said correct.

My point was that the optimal stat dist was the same for every class.

Grace Note

I had an Amazon where I never put points in VIT.

pixel

@OrigamiRobot pff vit, stacking vitality wasn't that much of a requirement for a good character

OrigamiRobot

@pixel It wasn't a requirement, it's just that all the other stats were useless.

pixel

especially with life on hit and a buriza-do kyanon

my amazon never got below 99% health ever since that happened

OrigamiRobot

5:09 PM

@GraceNote Was this by chance a bowazon?

Grace Note

@OrigamiRobot No.

OrigamiRobot

Just curious. I never played when bowazons were viable.

I wish I had.

Grace Note

My brother played a Bowazon.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot This is why I don't care about having control of stats in games like Diablo or Torchlight. It normally just comes down to "enough to wield items, rest in stat X". I think you should have something in the game I can modify, and will always be able to modify as I level (i.e. traits in GW2, skill tree in Titan Quest), but that doesn't need to be my stats.

OrigamiRobot

I always started with an MF Cold Sorc which I used to fund an MF Hammerdin which I used to fund a Smiter. That was a huge chunk of time. After that, I just played the economy.

James

5:12 PM

Wow, only one taker on a free game so far.. Oddness!

fredley

The Onion called this ages ago

pixel

it's because it promotes my death

OrigamiRobot

@Wipqozn Yea, I'm fine with either. Just if you're going to let me distribute points, let me respec. Nobody knows what's good when a game first comes out.

GnomeSlice

I really want to find an MMO where I can be a merchant travelling by boat. I know that's pretty specific but... I just think it would be really neat.

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A: Feasibility of playing an explorer in Wurm Online

Several options for playing a gypsy character. 1) I have a friend who gave up his deed, lives on his boat, and sails from village to village working on projects for people in return for donations (anything they can/want to donate, or even nothing at all). These places usually provide meals, a be...

James

@pixel And here I thought that would have had people lining up for a copy ;)

GnomeSlice

5:13 PM

In fact it's why I tried out Wurm

OrigamiRobot

@fredley My Gmail is working.

Wipqozn

@OrigamiRobot Yeah, exactly.

Krazer

@Wipqozn So I think I figured out this MVP thing. Apparently, you need to have at least 50 Smash Points in order to get the MVP award after a battle. You get 10 smash point per ability hit, up to 100 points. The Scion summons (once you have the appropriate accessories) cost 30 smash points it seems. The character unit with the most points at the end of the battle is awarded the MVP status.

pixel

@GnomeSlice I think it's called EVE, where boat = ship

fredley

@OrigamiRobot We are clearly using different Gmail

FAE

5:14 PM

@James What kind of game is it? :o

GnomeSlice

@pixel Yeah, but then everyone is doing the same thing.

murgatroid99

@fredley Mine is working too

pixel

@GnomeSlice Griefing GnomeSlice?

murgatroid99

Oh wait, never mind

James

@FAE The first map is very much L4D in a 2D game

GnomeSlice

5:14 PM

I want to be that guy in the town you know, the guy you go to for good shit at good prices, etc etc.

fredley

@murgatroid99 Down for you too?

GnomeSlice

@pixel ._.

Wipqozn

@Krazer Sounds about right. I figured it had to be something like that.

badp

@James There's always been some kind of reluctance about it

GnomeSlice

@pixel I mean then EVERYONE has ships, and is flying around.

murgatroid99

5:15 PM

@fredley looks like it. It's being weird

Grace Note

Oh boy, are y'talkin' about FFTA2?

OrigamiRobot

@fredley Yea, I'm lying.

fredley

@murgatroid99 Yeah. Chrome crashes too

Wipqozn

@Krazer any ideas?

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Q: How does the action queue work?

Every battle makes use of an action queue to determine the order in which units take their turns, and some units will have more turns to act than others. I know that the ordering and frequency of a units turns are determined by their speed stat, but the manual doesn't go into any details. I'd lik...

final-fantasy-tactics-a2

GnomeSlice

@James Still got one to give away? =]

murgatroid99

5:16 PM

@fredley My gmail is back

Wipqozn

@Krazer The answer there sound right, but I'd like a more detailed one if you have it.

Grace Note

@GnomeSlice I'm pretty sure this exists, actually.

James

@badp So it would seem

GnomeSlice

Also, hah, it looks like the star counter is the number of copies you have to give away @James

Wipqozn

@GraceNote Yes. @Krazer and I are currently playing through it.

pixel

5:16 PM

@GnomeSlice You want to be a special snowflake? Go play WoW

James

@GnomeSlice I have as many as needed man, just ask :)

fredley

@murgatroid99 Mine's temperamental

murgatroid99

@fredley and I got a chrome crash alert about 20 minutes ago but it's still working

I just didn't click OK

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote This Answer seems to suggest you can do it in Wurm.

FAE

@James Hm, 2 player local co-op? Interesting. May I snag one?

GnomeSlice

5:16 PM

Which I tried, but I found the interface pretty bad.

murgatroid99

@fredley mine seems to be consistent

James

@FAE The second map I have tried and failed horribly at is mission based, going in, doing something and I think getting back out. First type has a set of character skill progression, second seems to be just surviving outright :)

GnomeSlice

@James I'd take one off your hands. =]

James

@FAE Certainly :)

FAE

@James I don't think I have your steam name.

Grace Note

5:17 PM

@GnomeSlice I meant that there's an actual MMO centered around travelling around by ship and mercanting.

Wipqozn

@James I didn't even notice the pin, haha.

badp

If your copy of Chrome is crashing a lot close the GMail tab

Grace Note

(As opposed to just being a subset of options within a larger MMO)

badp

The two things seem connected

James

@FAE Crysyn

Wipqozn

5:17 PM

@James How many copies do you have?

Oh my. IT's only $3.

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote That's not really what I want, because then I'd be doing the same thing as everyone else. But which game were you thinking of?

Grace Note

I'd have to check back with the fellow I knew who was playing it.

James

@Wipqozn That it is, I will give up up to 50 copies away cause of it so everyone who wants one just ask :)

Wipqozn

@James My word you're in a generous mood.

I might take you up on that later this week then.

GnomeSlice

It's not really critical, since I can't afford to pay for a monthly MMO subscription right now anyway.

James

5:19 PM

@Wipqozn Hehe, I have also just been sending out random games to people from their wishlist :D

GnomeSlice

And because if I did it would mostly be a waste because of my internet.

FAE

@James Found you. :)

GnomeSlice

I should make a blog post about Indie Games you all need to play.

Like my top indie games from the past year or something

ibelrbvevriubevreyvre

Too much work.

James

@FAE Woot :) Are we already listed? I would swear I have an eye in my friends list already :)

@GnomeSlice Game away :)

GnomeSlice

@James Hey, thanks! =]

FAE

5:21 PM

@James Haha, I use a different avatar on Steam, we were apparently not friends yet.

James

@FAE Ahh, well all taken care of

FAE

@James Thank you so much!

GnomeSlice

@James Do you have/want Crayon Physics Deluxe or Eufloria?

James

@FAE No worries, the game is way more than $3 of fun sooo I am trying to get it out there :)

FAE

@James Awesome. I'm still on vacation, so I don't have a laptop, am on @Fluttershy's right now, but I'm looking forward to it. :)

GnomeSlice

5:24 PM

Because I still have Steam keys for those two games.

James

@GnomeSlice Id give Eufloria a go if you have it to spare man :)

I was just looking the games up real quick :D

GnomeSlice

@James Do you have Steam open?

I'm just gonna post the key here, so you'd better activate it pretty quickly.

James

@GnomeSlice kk, send away

GnomeSlice

@James That work?

James

@GnomeSlice Activation Successful! Thanks man :)

GnomeSlice

5:26 PM

Woo

I've still got a key for Crayon Physics Deluxe if anyone wants it.

(It's actually a lot more fun than it sounds.)

OrigamiRobot

@Wipqozn Though, GW2 punishes build experimentation by soulbinding equipment.

GnomeSlice

@GraceNote If you get a chance, I'd appreciate that. =]

OrigamiRobot

HI COW! dances

Grace Note

@GnomeSlice I will, don't worry.

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn @FAE @badp @Brant by the way... are you guys interested in trying to revive and finish the Frozen Synapse tournament we had going?

FAE

5:31 PM

@OrigamiRobot ? I don't think really feel like they punish it at all, given how easy it is to respec, and how easily you can swap skills/traits.

@GnomeSlice I believe I'd been properly eliminated.

GnomeSlice

@FAE Nope, you only lost one set.

OrigamiRobot

@FAE "by souldbinding equipment"

GnomeSlice

We're so close to finishing it.

FAE

@GnomeSlice I wouldn't be able to play again til at least the end of January after I get back to the NL, as I don't have a laptop with my games on it while I'm in the US and when I get to my parents, I'll be on dialup, so I won't be able to guarantee when I can play.

Invader Skoodge

@GnomeSlice This is still not over?

GnomeSlice

5:34 PM

@InvaderSkoodge Last activity was in March.

Everyone kind of... forgot about it.

CruelCow

@OrigamiRobot stares silently

GnomeSlice

We tried to unfreeze it once and it got forgotten again.

FAE

@OrigamiRobot It's pretty easy to get new stuff, in between crafting, drops and the TP, so I'm not really sure where your issue lies.

GnomeSlice

Also you guys should all get the current Indie Royale Bundle so we can do a Greed Corp tournament!

And also because Greed Corp is awesome.

OrigamiRobot

@FAE It's easy to get stuff if you have the money. I can't afford to spend half my money on equipment only to have the build not work out and no way of getting that value back.

GnomeSlice

5:36 PM

@Wipqozn Also, have we still been doing Game On on the weekends?

FAE

@OrigamiRobot You can still experiment with a certain weapon build fairly easily just by buying the base weapons off a Weaponsmith to see how well you like the skills and synergy.

Krazer

@Wipqozn I have a theory for that it's like the CT system in FFTA. This is evidence by certain monster skill that deal "Damage + CT 0." Every unit has a hidden CT gauge that maxes out at 100.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice We haven't done game on for ages, and like I said before, ronan took over for it. I didn't see the point in keeping it going. People just didn't want /couldn't show up for a dedicated time slot.

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn Yeah... =[

Krazer

I assume that each unit's CT fills by a number equal to their speed, plus a number based on your last turn (40 if you did nothing, 20 if you either moved and didn't perform an action or vice versa, and 0 if you did both).

GnomeSlice

5:38 PM

Speaking of @RonanForman he's using the unfinished splash screen.

Krazer

When a units CT fills up at 100, can perform an action and their CT is then reset at 0, but if your speed + action bonus are more than 100 (e.g., from haste), the remainder carries over. However if there is more than one unit that fills up their CT gauge, the unit with the higher speed probably prevails.

GnomeSlice

With the horrible audio.

Fuck, I never finish anything.

Krazer

I assume that the turn order listed on the top screen is a reflection of the conditions I mentioned above while assuming all the units simply do nothing on their turns, and if any unit performs an action or moves, the order is recalculated.

Invader Skoodge

Greed Corp sounds cool.

GnomeSlice

@FAE @Fluttershy @InvaderSkoodge OH OH, We should do a Skydrift Arqade tournament!

OrigamiRobot

5:38 PM

@FAE Using underpowered weapons doesn't give me a good idea of how viable a build is.

GnomeSlice

@InvaderSkoodge It is, I highly recommend it.

Krazer

I noticed that Haste fills your CT twice as quickly, while slow Slow have the rate fills your CT fills (every 2 turns?). I've also noticed some Guest/Monster units in particular missions might be given a priority to their CT. /end_analysis

Ronan Forman

@GnomeSlice I forgot it was unfinished when I used it.

GnomeSlice

@RonanForman Lol.

Well, I won't be finishing it for a while yet probably, got a bunch of finals to work on.

Ronan Forman

@GnomeSlice Sorry for assuming you'd give me something finished.

FAE

5:39 PM

@GnomeSlice Considering our last tournament attempt has taken over a year to finish, I'm really not sure if it's a good idea to start another.

GnomeSlice

@RonanForman You'd asked for what I had so that you could make a modification to show me.

@FAE Yeah, but we can all play at once in Skydrift!

Ronan Forman

@GnomeSlice Oh, okay.

GnomeSlice

@RonanForman I can send you the killscreen graphic I was working on to replace the static if you want.

Ronan Forman

@GnomeSlice I think it's best to leave it to you.

GnomeSlice

@RonanForman Why do you say that? Your other video projects have been great.

@RonanForman It's not so bad the way it is, I just don't like the static sound effects.

Ronan Forman

5:42 PM

@GnomeSlice Multiple people trying to do the same thing differently never ends well.

GnomeSlice

@RonanForman You can take it over then. =]

Invader Skoodge

@GnomeSlice The minimum price on this bundle is higher than $1 :(

Also, I especially don't want to support BIT.TRIP RUNNER because that game sucks ass and I don't know why it's showing up everywhere like it's some kind of marvel of indie gaming.

GnomeSlice

@InvaderSkoodge Yeah, IndieRoyale does that. I haven't played any of the other ones (except bit trip which is... eh), but Greed Corp is awesome.

FAE

@InvaderSkoodge The rest of the BIT.TRIP games are really great though, IMO. Runner is my least liked out of all of them.

GnomeSlice

I remember being interested at the concept art for 'They Breathe' but the video on the bundle site looks... boring.

Basically that bundle gets you half-off Greed Corp, plus a bunch of other shit.

user15026

5:45 PM

@FAE I like Runner because it is the only one I can play XD

GnomeSlice

@FAE @InvaderSkoodge @Fluttershy we still all need to play some Skydrift together, tournament or not. =]

pixel

OMG IT IS SO COLD IN THIS ROOM

FAE

@AshleyNunn The complete lack of any sort of checkpointing is kind of a bummer. x_X

GnomeSlice

Okay, what the hell Chrome.

pixel

@GnomeSlice troll GnomeSlice mode enabled

GnomeSlice

5:48 PM

Why are you suddenly caching my CSS so that I have to run my stuff in an incognito window or you show the old CSS.

fucking retard

James

For everyone who wanted an opinion on a Wii U here is mine so far, but keep in mind I only have Nintendo Land and the Mario game for it. It is definitely more powerful than the Wii but so far there are not games to really evaluate the HD nature of the system.. Mario doesnt look all stretched out but its not like there is a lot of detail in the game.

GnomeSlice

@James Does your opinion cover anything besides graphics? =]

pixel

75

Q: How can I do a Cache Refresh in Google Chrome?

I dunno what exactly it's called, by cache refresh I mean, refresh the page after clearing its cache. I don't want to clear the entire browser cache. I prefer Chrome's Dev panel against firebug... don't ask me why. But I can't seem to cache refresh my pages. In FF, I know it to be Shift+Refresh....

cache google-chrome refresh

James

The Wii-U GamePad is neat and I do like it (a lot more than the Wii motes) as an interface. It looks pretty big (and it is) but it is also fairly light considering it has an LCD screen in it. Over all though its fairly responsive and the screen is bright, brighter than my TV at times, and so is easy to see.

GnomeSlice

@pixel It's weird though, I never used to have this problem. I'd refresh and it would update my CSS.

pixel

5:50 PM

@GnomeSlice the rules have changed

James

The whole Nintendo networking thing is still rather a pain in the ass (Ids are still hardware restrictied) but it looks like you can atleast register your name for when they become unbounded.

GnomeSlice

@pixel Recently?

pixel

@GnomeSlice I don't know, I know nothing...

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James

I have not tried any of the Wii backwards compatibility as of yet but I have been thinking of popping in Zelda to see how it goes...

GnomeSlice

I mean, I think my Chrome HAS updated, there's a zoom thing that shows up when I zoom a page that wasn't there before...

James

5:51 PM

And unfortunately with almost every announced launch title getting delayed, that is about all I can give as feedback right now :/

pixel

Oh of course that got a star

typical

Wipqozn

@James Is the controller comfortable?

GnomeSlice

@James It annoys me that they didn't include Gamecube backwards compatibility. It would have been much easier than it was on the Wii as well, because they have a top-load disc drive.

FAE

@James I'd love to hear your thoughts on Zombi-U if you pick it up.

@GnomeSlice Even current gen Wiis don't have that anymore.

GnomeSlice

@FAE According to a thing I was watching on TV a while ago (game review show) they said the only current reason to own a Wii-U is Zombi-U

@FAE I'm not surprised, the slot-load drive that could load two sizes of disc was extremely complicated and expensive.

James

5:52 PM

@GnomeSlice Its still a slot loader for the Wii-U man :/

Wipqozn

GnomeSlice

@James Huh... which one has the top-load drive then?

Maybe it's the Wii Mini I'm thinking of.

James

@FAE Hmm, That supposed to be a good game? I wanted Lego Undercover but that looks like its half a year away still (Damn Amazon got me with their December 31st date, I didnt even see its 2013 :O)

@GnomeSlice Hehe, I dunno last one I knew that did that was the gamecube :)

FAE

@James I've heard good things, yeah. Survival type game.

OrigamiRobot

Unupvote on a 6 month old answer? T_T

user15026

5:54 PM

@FAE Yeah, it was frustrating as all hell - I wasn't good at it, but at least I could sorta progress XD

James

@FAE I am definitely interested in those types of games right now.. Lots of time playing Don't Starve and now Dead Pixels :)

@OrigamiRobot I get +1s from time to time on some of my older Skyrim questions

GnomeSlice