The Nineteenth Byte

caird coinheringaahing

18:00

I'm not touching functional programming in this language with a 10ft pole

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it can't be that bad

graffe

stackoverflow.com/a/54367432/1473517 :)

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:|

caird coinheringaahing

I think the sum function allows you to do something like that, instead of a for loop, but I blacked out after 3 days of trying and failing with that :P

graffe

adv-r.had.co.nz/Functional-programming.html "R, at its heart, is a functional programming (FP) language. "

@cairdcoinheringaahing :)

caird coinheringaahing

18:01

@graffe *eye twitches*

graffe

sorry

caird coinheringaahing

:P

> na.rm: logical. Should missing values (including NaN) be removed?

Wha...?

For the arguments for the sum function

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i guess it's in case you want a one step filter-sum

still weird when you can just use zeroes for that

Radvylf Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing This seems pretty reasonable to me if I'm reading it right

caird coinheringaahing

It's more, what the hell is na.rm?

Radvylf Programs

18:06

[na]n [r]e[m]ove maybe?

caird coinheringaahing

ಠ_ಠ I hate programming acronyms

Radvylf Programs

Even succ?

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, that one really succs

Bgil Midol

@cairdcoinheringaahing NaN (Not a Number) remove?

Sandbox Posts

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Shift code points gradually code-golf Given a string consisting of only letters of the alphabet, shift the first char's code point by 1, the second by 2, the third by 3, and so on. If there are not enough alphabet chars, wrap around according to this string: abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKL...

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18:11

still why would there be a . in it

Bgil Midol

maybe it means remove nan

Romanp

@cairdcoinheringaahing It's the North American Registry of Midwives. /s That is a terrible abbreviation though.

caird coinheringaahing

@UnrelatedString R has a weird obsession with .s in variable names

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why is that even possible

Radvylf Programs

Maybe R was made by a wooden doll that lies a lot and its nose hits the dot key while it types?

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18:12

are underscores an operator or something

Romanp

In R, isn't NA the the equivalent of NaN? That could explain things.

I haven't worked in R in a few years, but I thought it used NA for some reason.

Bgil Midol

@Romanp i think it means Not Available

Romanp

Would make sense, especially if it is a catch-all for data (including non-numeric ones).

pxeger

@RadvylfPrograms My favourite is cumsum

Codidact Posts

18:26

New Posts - Challenges - Code Golf: Looping counter

posted on April 21, 2022 by celtschk‭

Looping counter Create an infinite loop that outputs lines of asterisks, with each line containing one more asterisk. Instead of the asterisk, any printable, non-whitespace character c...

caird coinheringaahing

@UnrelatedString nah, you can have underscores in variable names too

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do built-in names always use periods, have a pattern to what's used where, or just go full php and do whatever the fuck whenever

Radvylf Programs

18:49

Just got rejected from NHS because

> You did not maintain a 4.5 cumulative GPA as of 16 February 2022.

My GPA is a 5.5 ಠ_ಠ

Maybe you have to maintain a GPA of exactly 4.5 :p

Romanp

wow.

Radvylf Programs

(How much do you want to bet they just added up my grades and divided by 8 to get the average, despite me only having 7 classes)

Romanp

@RadvylfPrograms Seems likely.

caird coinheringaahing

@UnrelatedString From what I can tell, they just go full php

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f

Romanp

18:52

But a 5.5 gpa would give you a 4.7 still even with 1 less class

Radvylf Programs

Yeah. No clue what's up. Worst case scenario I can apparently appeal to the school principal and have him override it, and

Mar 3 at 21:11, by Radvylf Programs

And sometimes it's not about the destination, it's about the bridges you burn along the way

Romanp

Maybe they use a different scale?

Radvylf Programs

I'm guessing it's some sort of weird unweighted GPA

Romanp

@RadvylfPrograms Journey before destination...

Radvylf Programs

19:03

They actually cited two reasons, the first being that I was missing part of my application, which is even more laughable because it was four pages, and they were stapled together, and I proofread it twice, once with the person who runs the NHS at my school.

Romanp

My guess is they were just looking for reasons to deny people and found something minor.

Radvylf Programs

I think they're just incredibly confused lol

They get money when people join so I don't think they'd be looking for any ways to turn away more people than necessary

Romanp

Unless they need to keep their acceptance% down

but it could totally be a system mixup.

Radvylf Programs

Oh, true. Maybe.

Romanp

I know that's what's happened at a lot of the universities I applied to, since they didn't have SATs to rule people out and a ton of people applied, they became VERY picky and stingy.

Radvylf Programs

19:06

Betting on the mixup thing, I'm kind of doubtful they'd pick someone three grades ahead in math with straight As and tell them it's because of bad grades :p

Romanp

yeah

Radvylf Programs

We just hit 13k questions a few days ago

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wow

Romanp

19:23

and 31415 starred posts was sometime last week (13th or 15th, I think)

Radvylf Programs

Pi?

hyper-neutrino

no, 10000pi

Radvylf Programs

Well that explains why I failed trigonometry :p

Bgil Midol

19:42

@Ginger I can't access the campfire

tjjfvi

19:56

@Razetime @PyGamer0 You both starred my project eglint a few days ago; how did you find it?

Seggan

> Since the program’s launch in June 2021, more than 35% of newly written Java and Python code on GitHub has been suggested by its Copilot AI.

source: stackoverflow.blog/2022/04/21/…

Is Copilot really that common?

tjjfvi

I'm sure at least a few people have committed and pushed lots of randomly generated text from copilot

With the right prompt, it likes to output many many kilobytes of garbage

Seggan

But this is code

Java and Python

tjjfvi

Yeah. In pretty much any copilot-supporting language, copilot will generate lots of garbage that is kind of like code

Seggan

I myself use it and I must say, quite a lot of my newer code is Copilot

Radvylf Programs

20:01

@Seggan I doubt that

tjjfvi

I suspect "Java and Python code" means "anything with the right extension"

Radvylf Programs

I think that number's being taken out of context

tjjfvi

Definitely

allxy

The only disadvantage of Copilot is that sometimes it gets caught in loops

Seggan

@tjjfvi are you gonna use .py and .java for anything else?

Radvylf Programs

20:02

No way are 35% of people using GitHub using copilot, and even-more-no-way are they writing 100% of their code with it

I doubt people with copilot even write 35% of their code with copilot, and a lot less than 100% of Python devs use copilot

tjjfvi

@Seggan I'm saying that if I commit a megabyte of copilot-generated "Java code" with a .java extension, its probably counted as "newly written Java code written by copilot"

allxy

Vyxal's probably about 40% copilot

(that's just a guess)

Romanp

I'm going to try copilot and see how well it works.

hyper-neutrino

i've never actually touched copilot before lol. idek how to set it up; i'd have to look through a tutorial

Romanp

If it ever lets me through the waitlist

Seggan

20:04

@Romanp it took me 7 months. keep waiting :p

Romanp

yeah

allxy

It took me two days.

Radvylf Programs

This feels like an xkcd 978 situation to me

Seggan

@allxy wat

Radvylf Programs

I just find a bunch of sources linking to one another

tjjfvi

20:07

I don't even know how that would be measured

Seggan

@RadvylfPrograms in the blog?

tjjfvi

Do they tag all outputs from copilot and then search repos for such snippets of code?

Radvylf Programs

Yeah. Maybe they mean 35% of code is written using copilot, not by copilot?

tjjfvi

That doesn't seem feasible

allxy

@RadvylfPrograms Anyone notice the "was was"?

Radvylf Programs

20:07

@Seggan No, on the open ~~seas~~ internet

Seggan

@tjjfvi have copilot monitor everything completed then scan commits?

tjjfvi

@tjjfvi That's what I just said

But that doesn't seem feasible

Radvylf Programs

I see 30% on some sites and 35% of code on others

But nothing from GitHub itself, just a bunch of sites citing one another for the claim

tjjfvi

@RadvylfPrograms Still, how is that being measured? I've been in the technical preview for a while, but only used copilot for a few days before turning it off. Is all of my code written with the help of copilot? If not, how is code written with the help of copilot being tagged?

allxy

ಠ_ಠ

Radvylf Programs

20:09

> Almost 30 percent of new GitHub code is written with AI assistance

This headline seems to hint at my interpretation being right

tjjfvi

Did you know that over 10% of all code ever written was written by a neural network?

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Radvylf Programs

@tjjfvi Probably just "if this person has installed copilot at some point, and they submit Python code to GitHub, that was written with copilot's assistance"

tjjfvi

Right

Romanp

Any suggestions about what to name my KoTH? "Multiplayer Gunfight KOTH" just isn't a very catchy name. Thought about Mexican Standoff but don't love it.

Radvylf Programs

Maybe with some stats to account for people stopping using it

tjjfvi

20:12

@Romanp King of the Holster

Romanp

@tjjfvi Sounds good

Ginger

faf

@tjjfvi well, in some sense 100% of all code ever written was written by a neural network

Radvylf Programs

So I think the claim has mutated quite a bit. Initially it was 30% of all Python and Java code on GitHub was written by people who had Copilot. Now, on the blog, it's 35% of all Python and Java on GitHub was suggested by Copilot.

tjjfvi

@Ginger That's the joke

Radvylf Programs

@Ginger Not quite 100%, code generation and stuff

tjjfvi

20:14

Don't forget compilers

Radvylf Programs

And earlier code suggestion stuff that didn't use AI

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or ml models other than neural networks

Seggan

@tjjfvi did you know that 100% of all code written was by a machine?

tjjfvi

Or people piping /dev/urandom into a file and then running it

@Seggan Did you know that 17% of statistics are made up on the spot?

allxy

Did you know that according to statistics, this statement is a lie?

Seggan

20:18

> Copilot has led to a 35% drop in demand for human programmers

Romanp

@allxy Okay, I have to feed that statement into the oversensationalized news article AI and see what happens.

Seggan

from the same article, 100% not quoted out of context

tjjfvi

@allxy That's because it's a question, not a statement

allxy

> Did you know that [according to statistics, this statement is a lie]?

I'd say it's a statement within a question

tjjfvi

Also, all statements that refer to themselves are false.

allxy

20:23

^ and v are mutually exclusive

tjjfvi

Oh, are those arrows?

allxy

:| that's not a statement

tjjfvi

At first I took them as logical conjunction and disjunction

And was rather confused

allxy

Oh lol

o/ for now, should probably have breakfast

Ginger

\o

allxy

21:19

I trust copilot to write anything but AoC and rotation vectors

Ginger

21:41

whew

some idiot tried to DDOS campfire again

this time with actual bots

tjjfvi

I hate it when bots DDOS my campfire

Ginger

ye

tjjfvi

Make your own ffs

Ginger

it's the wurst

Radvylf Programs

This is kinda what you get for going around advertising your project in random chat rooms

forest

21:46

How does one DDoS a campfire?

tjjfvi

Last time they got lubricant on all my marshmellows

Ginger

@RadvylfPrograms well sure

but I maybe fixed it

so

@forest campfire is my chat website

@RadvylfPrograms also it was just ones on replit, not like 4chan or smth

that would be stupid

Radvylf Programs

Ah

forest

4chan doesn't just go and randomly attack websites.

Source: am 4channer.

Ginger

@forest if they didn't want me to make that generalization they shouldn't have made a reputation for doing so

forest

21:51

It's really just /pol/ and /b/ (and maybe /v/) which do that.

Ginger

¯\_(ಠ_ಠ)_/¯

@forest 4chanista? 4chanter? 4channeler?

forest

????

Ginger

other names for users of 4chan

forest

I'm an /a/non.

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22:29

oh yeah i need to fuck around on /a/ more

forest

/a/ should be avoided unless you have absorbed their culture.

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i've been before and it's kind of a breath of fresh air sometimes in a weird way

if nothing else it helps with appreciating other communities more lmao

forest

As long as you lurk first. :P

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yeah :P

Radvylf Programs

Does campfire have a chatroom, or any need for one? This would be more on-topic there as Campfire getting DDoSed seems to be a recurring discussion topic.

(Or is a chatroom to discuss a chatroom too meta)

forest

22:40

3meta5me

Ginger

22:59

h m m

well

if campfire becomes more commonly discussed then yes

but for now methinks it's staying within the 2:1 ratio

hyper-neutrino

it's already common enough that i think it should be moved to its own room (or put into an off-topic room cuz no meaningful discussion ever comes out of it being mention that it's being ddosed again)

Radvylf Programs

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Ginger

23:31

@RadvylfPrograms As caird said, the starboard is a user's first impression of this room so generally it shouldn't be covered in bad jokes and spam. What type of messages should I star?

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Radvylf Programs

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forest

I've never even been in this room when it was on-topic discussion.

Ginger

Which is a testament to how bad it's gotten.

forest

Was it particularly good before?

Radvylf Programs

@Ginger Good jokes and important on-topic messages

Ginger

23:34

So I hear.

(I am of course a sizable contributing factor)

Radvylf Programs

It was mostly before you showed up

Wait that sounds bad

It started shortly before you showed up

Ginger

hmm, coincidence?

hopefully not lol

I'm trying to be less spammy and more golfy

Radvylf Programs

I think it's just a perfect storm of CGCC being less active and new users joining

So there was less on-topic stuff to talk about, and people who weren't as familiar with the room's more on-topic phases

Ginger

well, one of those problems can be fixed by doing moar golf

allxy

@RadvylfPrograms and canvas lol

Ginger

23:37

perhaps if we can get new users to be more interested in golf the site will be more active!

Today's assignment: Do code golf and programming challenges

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^ pin plz /s

...I was not expecting that to work but okay sure

forest

It didn't work. Someone unpinned it lol

Romanp

still pinned to me

forest

Oh weird.

Ginger

hm

...and then someone canceled the stars

cmon that was a good joke

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i didn't even realize it was a joke until you pointed it out

Ginger

23:47

was it a joke?

yes

Canvas is back!

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