The Nineteenth Byte

emanresu A

19:04

@thejonymyster Maybe just a regular hexagony answer.

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Just make sure to initialise your Lumberjacks

If you're still using those

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Nope, no more Lumberjacks :(

So -1 pun, but at least I have a Cast of Actors still

emanresu A

19:16

@taRadvylfsriksushilani I finally found that generator

And:

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Ooh, I'm gonna add a very cool feature to RTO

emanresu A

emanresu A: I’m an idiot.
caird:
Redwolf:
Razetime:
Lyxal:
emanresu A:
caird: If you’re waiting for us to disagree, this is going to be a long day.

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

emanresu A

How did you do that? zwsps?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Yep

One of RTO's "pro" features I'm planning is a fastest code arena

thejonymyster

19:18

@emanresuA maybe. but im crazy. im loco. im tooootally insane

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

It'll have a dedicated core and RAM, so there wouldn't be worries about the timing being inaccurate

emanresu A

How many servers do you have?

Adám

Are you running it on your own metal?

emanresu A

Razetime: There are seven chairs and ten kids. What do you do?
Unrelated String: Have everyone stand.
Redwolf: Bring three more chairs!
pxeger: The most important ones can sit down.
user: Kill three.

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@Adám For now, yes

@emanresuA One, but it has eight cores

So I can tell the kernel to leave one or two of them alone, and dedicate those to fastest code stuff

Adám

19:20

What if you get multiple timing requests? Will they await each other?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@Adám Yeah. There'd be a queue in that case.

emanresu A

WHAT

Ginger Industries

@NewPosts the NERVE

thejonymyster

subscribe to this channel in the fewest bytes

Ginger Industries

@thejonymyster hey there's an idea

hyper-neutrino

19:23

→ 1 message moved to The Nineteenth Bakery

thejonymyster

noo

Ginger Industries

I want to confirm I didn't just hallucinate that

emanresu A

Please don't clear stars

Wait what chat is buggy

It was on the starboard after it got moved

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@emanresuA What a shocking twist lol

emanresu A

I know right

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

19:24

Honestly "wait, chat wasn't buggy" is bigger news sometimes :p

Ginger Industries

Jan 6 at 19:34, by Ginger Industries

Stack Exchange more like Hack Exchange lol

emanresu A

Yeah lol

thejonymyster

@GingerIndustries im sure it could be turned into a decent challenge tbh

emanresu A

Jan 6 at 19:15, by pxeger

Dec 16 '21 at 2:02, by emanresu A

Chat never worked, so they never have to fix it

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Some neat RTO planned features:
- Custom languages, and users voting to approve them
- KotH arena
- Fastest code arena
- Support for basic control characters in output

All but the first likely won't be in the initial release though

Bgil Midol

19:28

@taRadvylfsriksushilani what does RTO stand for? (run it online?)

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Run This Online, yeah

thejonymyster

good name

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Thank pxeger for it, he came up with it first but let me use it after calling his ATO

thejonymyster

Test It Via The Internet

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Jun 1 '21 at 16:50, by pxeger

I was planning to rename my Try It Online clone (currently Attempt This Online) to "Yet Another Online Interpreter" but it turns out "yaoi" isn't the best short name

Bgil Midol

19:35

lol

emanresu A

Redwolf: Lyxal and I were crossing the street, and this dude drove by and honked at us
Razetime: *Sighing* What did Lyxal do?
Redwolf: They chased him to the next red light, then reached into his window and...
Lyxal: Who wants a steering wheel?

thejonymyster

@taRadvylfsriksushilani so good

emanresu A

One more, then I'll stop

Redwolf: Why is Lyxal so sad?
Razetime: They took one of those “Which Character Are You?” quizzes
Redwolf: And...?
Lyxal: They got caird.

Adám

@taRadvylfsriksushilani Yet Another Programming Platform: YAPP

Ginger Industries

I'm making a cannon that can shoot sand >200 blocks

emanresu A

19:42

I have DSO (do stuff online)

Adám

YAPS — Yet Another Programming Sandbox

YASO — Yet Another Sandbox Online

pxeger

Jun 1 '21 at 16:50, by pxeger

I was planning to rename my Try It Online clone (currently Attempt This Online) to "Yet Another Online Interpreter" but it turns out "yaoi" isn't the best short name

emanresu A

@GingerIndustries I'm making a lego crossbow that can shoot pencils about six metres.

pxeger

oh redwolf already posted that lol

Ginger Industries

IRCE - Intentional Remote Code Excecution

6

emanresu A

19:43

@pxeger Which one?

@GingerIndustries repl.it mobile service go brr

Adám

RYCH — Run Your Code Here

pxeger

@GingerIndustries Code Execution Leads To Code Execution

@emanresuA this (Redwolf posted it here)

Bgil Midol

FICE - Free International Code Execution

pxeger

@GingerIndustries I actually like that, can I rename ATO to it?

Ginger Industries

OH GOD

@pxeger yes

OKAY SO I JUST SET A DISTANCE RECORD

YOU KNOW HOW FAR?

666 BLOCKS

Bgil Midol

19:46

for what?

pxeger

what distance are you talking about

Ginger Industries

My sand cannon

I just shot a falling sand entity 666 blocks

thejonymyster

soulsand

idk i cant think of a 666 joke

pxeger

@GingerIndustries /summon falling_sand ~ 999999 ~: it gets "shot" 999999+128 blocks

thejonymyster

sicksicksick launch?

Ginger Industries

19:47

@thejonymyster ಠ_ಠ

Bgil Midol

WRCR - Worldwide Remote Code Runner

thejonymyster

LTSO - launch this sand online

mathcat

@GingerIndustries They're obviously referring to the "ABCD" Blocks you can join together.

Bgil Midol

@thejonymyster lol

Ginger Industries

@thejonymyster LEGO: Let's Execute Golfy cOde

thejonymyster

19:49

@GingerIndustries wait, like a world record?

emanresu A

@GingerIndustries You can proobably get further with strategically placed slime

pxeger

@emanresuA randomness might make that too hard

emanresu A

True

Ginger Industries

@emanresuA good idea but falling sand entities don't play well with those

HOWEVER

one sec

pxeger

@GingerIndustries could you use some of the ender pearl cannon tech using TNT launchers?

Bgil Midol

19:50

lol

mathcat

@GingerIndustries I have an idea

pxeger

@mathcat oh no

Ginger Industries

@pxeger I know what I'm doing now

pxeger

that's dangerous

mathcat

oh yes

Use Github Perks, and maybe Github copilot can fix your sand canon...

Ginger Industries

19:52

@mathcat Should I be concerned

@mathcat oh

thejonymyster

git merging minecraft worlds is such a great idea

Fmbalbuena

@Adám explain?

mathcat

@GingerIndustries I can give a free trial of SE Nitro you can use together with Github Perks

pxeger

Any feedback?

emanresu A

That's almost certainly a rickroll

Ginger Industries

19:57

@emanresuA it is

emanresu A

Yep, just not a redirect

Ginger Industries

okay so

I have an idea

mathcat

ok that was I think obvious

Ginger Industries

what if I fire the sand cannon

through a nether portal

mathcat

@GingerIndustries now that sounds dangerous

Adám

19:58

@Fmbalbuena {…}⍣4 repeats the dfn application 4 times. ⍉⌽⍵ gives the array a 90° counter-clockwise turn. 0,⍣(…) conditionally prepends a column of 0s, the condition being ∨/⊣⌿⍵ "is there any true in the top-most row (which has now, due to the turning, become the leftmost column).

emanresu A

Look in the bottom right corner

Adám

Bad bot!

mathcat

@GingerIndustries I haven't played minecraft before, but

wouldn't that injure the poor nether dragon

Animal discrimination

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

> nether dragon

The dragon's in the end :p

emanresu A

Any feedback?

No, the dragon's on my bookshelf

Or at least her head is

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

20:01

*her

emanresu A

shh

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

-p 22 [email protected]

Dang you ruined my joke

Fmbalbuena

@mathcat I watched the entire video

@emanresuA really?

emanresu A

10k thing

Fmbalbuena

Link?

Ginger Industries

20:04

okay I have unspicy news

sand cannot go through portal

thejonymyster

what the

Ginger Industries

...at least not a nether one >:)

let's do some more tests

DLosc

@GingerIndustries So... bland news?

Ginger Industries

@DLosc end portal doesn't work

thejonymyster

tragic

sand cant go through portals... just like real life

emanresu A

20:09

Sand can't

But a resistance 255 cow might be able to

thejonymyster

sand able to go through portals mod

Ginger Industries

okay so

things happened

the above photo is what Minecraft heaven looks like

hyper-neutrino

@taRadvylfsriksushilani wait is redwolf making redwolf smp again

@emanresuA i'm pretty sure resistance caps at 100% damage reduction at either 4 or 5

emanresu A

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Idk

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

@hyper-neutrino No

Not sure what they're up to, I'm making a comic about SE Nitro

Ginger Industries

20:17

@taRadvylfsriksushilani does it include GitHub Perks

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Yes

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani nice

emanresu A

I'm trying to find ACE vulnerabilites in Vyxal before rredwolf posts that challenge

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani when can we expect to see it

mathcat

@taRadvylfsriksushilani nice

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

20:21

@GingerIndustries No clue, depends on how much time I feel like shitposting for

mathcat

I think you'll be faster than me

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani you mean golfposting

mathcat

I still have no clue how to animate that stickman

Ginger Industries

@mathcat why animate? they can just slide around

mathcat

his hand has to move, so that it looks as though he is typing

but i'll manage it somehow

Ginger Industries

20:24

@mathcat stickmen don't really have hands

mathcat

blobby hands

pxeger

27 mins ago, by pxeger

Any feedback?

Ginger Industries

@pxeger looks good

emanresu A

^

25 mins ago, by emanresu A

Any feedback?

pxeger

@taRadvylfsriksushilani "pro"? Will it not be free?

Ginger Industries

20:26

brb

emanresu A

@pxeger No, linked github / cgcc account

pxeger

oh

thejonymyster

there should be paid features, and they should just be dumb stuff that nobody would want anyway

for 50 dollars a month, we will run your code as slow as possible

rto nitro

pxeger

thinking of money, I should add a donate button to ATO, so I can pay for more disk space to add more languages (which is my only bottleneck right now lol)

mathcat

what's rto?

pxeger

20:29

Run This Online, Redwolf's yet-to-be-released version of TIO/ATO

thejonymyster

tiirl

pxeger

@taRadvylfsriksushilani is there more code published than what's at github.com/RedwolfPrograms/RTO-proto?

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

Not published, no

Ginger Industries

@thejonymyster it runs like normal but every few instructions the interpreter restarts

Adám

@pxeger While I am not in charge of the money, I'm confident that as soon as you've got Dyalog up and running, we'll be happy to pay you USD 500 per year, instead of paying for TIO.

hyper-neutrino

20:32

will that cause existing APL submissions posted via TIO to stop working?

pxeger

$500 per year will be a lot more than I need

hyper-neutrino

or does it just mean TIO no longer gets the funding

pxeger

@hyper-neutrino that's what I understood it to mean

maybe split it 50/50 or something

Adám

TIO hasn't gotten the funding for a while. We can't get hold of Dennis.

@hyper-neutrino We're not going to revoke his license, if that's what you're asking.

Sandbox Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Play chess (KOTH) Your task is to write a chess engine that will compete with other submissions in chess tournament. Well, almost. Since writing a full engine can be a bit tedious, you only need to write the evaluation function. An evaluation function takes a chessboard as input and returns how "...

thejonymyster

20:35

@SandboxPosts elo-world... two!!!

Sandbox Posts

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Score a Scrabble Play Background In Scrabble, players take turns placing tiles on a grid so that each contiguous set of (more than one) tiles in every row and column makes a word. In one play, tiles can be placed anywhere in a single row or column as long as they are all part of the same word. A...

EphraimRuttenberg

i'd appreciate any feedback i can get on my sandbox answer (the one above)

Ginger Industries

21:10

hmmm

Adám

21:29

Relevant to the AI babble…

Unrelated String

> You can make a lot of people, but you can't make a lot of people without a lot of software.

Ginger Industries

> It's a business that requires people to do things they don't want to do because they want to do them.

> Automation is magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic. It's magic.

EphraimRuttenberg

@SandboxPosts ive edited the rules of my challenge. still looking for feedback

Unrelated String

> The code above is more complex than it needs to be. It's more complex because it's more flexible. It's more complex because it's more maintainable. It's more complex because it's more testable. It's more complex because it's more documented. It's more complex because it's more well-named. It's more complex because it's more well-structured.

Ginger Industries

21:44

> The best way to make software easier to use is to make it easier to use.

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

SE Nitro, the comic

4

Ginger Industries

yes logic

@taRadvylfsriksushilani ... I don't know how to react to this

Stick-figure Ginger is quite the character

why do my eyes look like that tho

ta Radvylf srik su shilani

It's a foka

Ginger Industries

@taRadvylfsriksushilani ah. :)

this music plays on a loop inside my head

it seems SE Nitro lets you convert people into rep

Ginger Industries

22:07

wait if @Feeds is user -2 then who's user -1

Fmbalbuena

Wait new Home?

I think i hate this, How to change?

Unrelated String

if there isn't a setting there'll probably be a userscript within the week

doesn't seem to be a setting

😔

Fmbalbuena

11

Q: Please revert the new question list style change

For many years, the question list view was such that you could easily move your eyes up and down along a column of numbers with the same meaning. Now it's all jumbled, and small... I believe this was a change for the worse and ask that it be reversed - for desktop browsers. (I have no opinion abo...

caird coinheringaahing

@Fmbalbuena Browse /questions instead

Fmbalbuena

@cairdcoinheringaahing but when i join CGCC, i don't like.

emanresu A

22:21

I don't like it either, there's too much negative space.

caird coinheringaahing

@Fmbalbuena Ah, the next stage in the SE resign cycle: "SE posts feedback post on new change. A bit of feedback is received and addressed. Change goes live. Immediate backlash, posts calling for it to be reverted and downvotes on original feedback post. Nothing really changes. Repeat"

Ginger Industries

@cairdcoinheringaahing So like chat but worse?

caird coinheringaahing

Chat hasn't changed in 10 years. We mock it for that, but I know that the instant something changes in chat, there will be knives at people's throats :/

Ginger Industries

@cairdcoinheringaahing Chat'll only change because of knives at people's throats

caird coinheringaahing

Honestly tho, like basically all of SE's design changes, this could do with a few slight improvements, but is fine overall

I'd prefer the "posted X time ago"/"modified X time ago" to be on the line below the author, but for the home page, this is kinda what I'd expect

I don't want it to go live to /questions?tab=, as those pages are specifically for getting more info than the home page

Fmbalbuena

22:29

Someone Knows Turing Machine?

emanresu A

Ugh bounties is even worse

caird coinheringaahing

Nah, the home page doesn't have descriptions - that's one of the reasons I like it so much - it's compact, focused on titles only. The /questions view is the one that's always had summaries. — Catija ♦ 12 mins ago

Catija has it right - home isn't for the nitty gritty details, it's to get a wide view of what's going on

emanresu A

Yeah and they've, um, dewidened it.

Everything takes up and wastes too much space

Ok I guess it's designed for somewhere with longer titles :P

caird coinheringaahing

Tbh, I'm surprised at how many people even use /home I haven't gone there intentionally since.... well, ever

Ginger Industries

yO WHAT THE HELL DID THEY DO TO THE HOMEPAGE

I remember seeing smth about it on Meta but my god does it suck

caird coinheringaahing

22:38

See meta.stackexchange.com/q/375081/335251

Ginger Industries

new homepage made by the same committee that made Windows 8

Fmbalbuena

I HATE THE HOMEPAGE AND I DON'T LIKE

Adám

I thought Firefox had finally broken.

Fmbalbuena

@Adám What happened?

emanresu A

IMO it's OK on other sites but horrible here

Adám

22:41

The Code Golf front page looks borked.

Fmbalbuena

@Adám screenshot?

lyxal

When I first saw it I thought "oh are we doing emojis in usernames now?"

But then I realised it was pfps

caird coinheringaahing

@Fmbalbuena It's proabably the same homepage you're seeing

Ginger Industries

@Adám it looks bad spicy

Adám

Fmbalbuena

22:43

@Adám differences?

caird coinheringaahing

5 mins ago, by caird coinheringaahing

See https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/375081/335251

Fmbalbuena

ok, Everyone except caird is disliking the homepage.

caird coinheringaahing

I don't

Adám

So what do y'all say, does it qualify for inclusion on:

44

A: What should we be looking to change and what is inviolable?

One thing that you would advise me (in my role as VP of Community here) never to touch. Stack Exchange… …without asking the community first. The core community is tired of radical changes being announced as they happen. One thing that you think I should change as quickly as possible. Stop l...

caird coinheringaahing

I don't visit the home page enough to care either way, I only use /questions&tab=active

@Adám I don't think so, as they asked for input/feedback 2 weeks ago on a similar/related page

(and acted on that feedback)

emanresu A

22:46

Yep definitely

Adám

Bu they didn't show a full page screenshot did they?

caird coinheringaahing

For all SE's flaws about designing new UI/UX pages, they are pretty consistently asking for - and acting on - feedback on the changes since Philippe took over

@Adám They did one better: you could visit the /greatest-hits page and see for yourself what the change would look like

emanresu A

Ug the code snippet UI appears to be broken

I'll run some tests

Adám

I agree that it doesn't look as bad on MSE and SO as it does on CG, but SO isn't great either.

@cairdcoinheringaahing Hm, but that doesn't look the same, because it has so much colour due to being only popular Qs.

Fmbalbuena

CMP: Who hates the new homepage?

caird coinheringaahing

22:50

Not sure if I agree entirely with that - the biggest difference IMO is the "question preview shown vs not shown"

Adám

Very much that too.

Fmbalbuena

CMC: Simulate Turing Machine (infinite tape)

Unrelated String

my main gripe with the new view is how much space there is

emanresu A

^

Unrelated String

23:05

entries have a larger vertical profile but there's less in the boxes, and the stats on the left are extremely understated

i can see why they might want to deemphasize vote total but they just sort of deemphasized everything instead

and then the accepted answer indication creates a box instead of filling one in

the biggest problem would be just the fact that you can fit fewer on one page though

emanresu A

Yes

It looks less bad on mobile

Unrelated String

i find it funny that it's got like 48 questions on it but you have to scroll 6 full pages to look at all of them (and that's with the aforementioned lack of content previews)

i always figured quick activity browsing was the use case for the home page but now it just feels like a worse version of the questions tab

hyper-neutrino

23:28

oh no what did se do this time

att

wtf happened to the homepage

lyxal

46 mins ago, by caird coinheringaahing

5 mins ago, by caird coinheringaahing

See https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/375081/335251

Wheat Wizard

@Adám They announced it before hand. They had mock ups and everything. I don't think this was sprung on us at all.

Adám

I guess I should have been more diligent then.

I sure didn't realise they'd remove the beginning of post content from the main page.

emanresu A

I saw that just... it's a lot worse on the main page than greatest hits

Adám

23:35

It is especially bad for us, of course, because our titles are often jokes, with the intro text being actually informative.

Wheat Wizard

tbh I felt the intro text was never very informative anyway.

Usually the first few lines explain basic concepts.

I kind of have a hard time caring much about this either way.

Sandbox Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Pretty print my arrays I like to pretty print multidimensional arrays, like this: [ [ [1, 2, 3], [4, 5, 6] ], [ [7, 8, 9], [6, 4, 2] ] ] But it's a pain to do by hand and it'd be nice to have a program that does this for me. Your challenge is to create a program that does this for me. ...

Wheat Wizard

@Adám They actually didn't remove it. It was never there.

Adám

But, but…

Wheat Wizard

But you are not the only one to think that and I certainly thought you were right at first.

Must be some psychological trick caused by all the extra space.

Adám

23:43

So what is going on here?

Why is the front page distinct from /questions anyway?

Unrelated String

that is a valid question

Wheat Wizard

I don't know. That's not a change though.

The two were always distinct.

I think questions might not be affected by bumps?

Adám

@SandboxPosts @emanresuA Dyalog 18.2 (now in close-to-final Beta) almost has a built-in way to do this:

      ]repr -f=js (966 639 616 255) (622 483 87 241) (453 870 728 725) (163 936 48 967) (261 833 87 200)
[[966,639,616,255],
 [622,483,87,241],
 [453,870,728,725],
 [163,936,48,967],
 [261,833,87,200]]

Unrelated String

questions offers multiple sort orders but yeah default is newest

emanresu A

Does it support 3d arrays?

Adám

23:46

      ]repr -f=js ((1 2)(3 4))((5 6)(7 8))
[[[1,2],
  [3,4]],
 [[5,6],
  [7,8]]]

emanresu A

Hm ok

Adám

Don't worry, there's still a little bit of work to insert spaces.

And it is probably unique in having this built-in.

Adám

23:58

@emanresuA 49 to solve it by using that. Might be shorter not to :-)

Bgil Midol

How to change the name of a github repo?

Fmbalbuena

@BgilMidol settings, rename

Adám

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