The Nineteenth Byte

Wansen

00:03

Who’s Jon Skeet?

user

Our Lord

Wansen

Oh wait, he’s the highest reputation person?

on stack_overflow_api?

user

@Wansen He is no person, he is a God, a legend

Jon Skeet can perform infinite loops in 4.6 seconds

caird coinheringaahing

@Wansen First user on the network to hit 1m rep

user

366

Q: Jon Skeet Facts

I'm looking for Chuck Norris Facts style answers. In case anyone is curious, this question was inspired by Jon's own comment to this question. EDIT: If you're into cryptography, you may enjoy these facts. Now with official sanction from the powers that be!

caird coinheringaahing

00:07

@Wansen You can delete messages

Wansen

What if

there was STILL a SE API

(Python)

hyper-neutrino

there is a python chat api wrapper and an SE api (idk if there's a python wrapper but it's not hard to do yourself)

caird coinheringaahing

You realise there is an SE API, and a Python module that goes with it

user

Odd, I just realized nothing was starred on Saturday and Sunday (my time)

caird coinheringaahing

in CGCC Blog Chat, 11 mins ago, by Feeds

This room has been automatically frozen for inactivity

Rip the blog

user

00:13

:'(

Wansen

Un-RIP the blog - Jon Skeet used the Imperius curse to force hyper to unfreeze the room

then he freezes it without saying anything

RIP blog (sequel)

caird coinheringaahing

That said: if y'all have a topic you'd like to write about for the blog, please feel free to. The post about topics is just a suggestion, if you'd like to write about something else related to the site, do so!

5

Wansen

There’s only one way to remove Jon Skeet

Jon Skeet wanting to remove Jon Skeet

nevertheless,I tried

Here’s what happened

hyper-neutrino

it actually takes about 4 clicks to remove jon skeet i think

user

Is it recommended to just ignore restrictive IO restrictions on old challenges that many people have complained about?

Wansen

00:22

JonSkeetStopsPersonDoingHacksError: not a chance

user

@hyper-neutrino If you click all 4, I bet it'll backfire and delete you instead :P

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Nah, because for someone with that many votes, he'd need CM approval to be destroyed

user

Wait, really?

hyper-neutrino

not destroy, just delete. but maybe deletion wouldn't work either. idk never tried deleting anyone with more than like 3 rep

actually idek if i've deleted any users

user

gnat must be near-bulletproof :P

caird coinheringaahing

00:24

@user Yeah, if you've cast more than a certain number of votes, the SE team has to agree to delete your account

Wansen

I fixed the code

so

even if it fails once

caird coinheringaahing

I'd imagine that the same process applies to destroying an account

Wansen

it will try again many more times

hyper-neutrino

for science i will try to delete caird's account /s

Wansen

No

Like

user

00:25

@Wansen fyi You can edit your messages if you accidentally hit enter to ensure they're on one line

Wansen

@hyper, only if @caird says “yes”. @user, got it, but I forgot

user

@hyper-neutrino Try deleting mine! :P

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino I'm an honorary mod, you can't delete (honorary) mod accounts :P

Wansen

Okay

I made code to delete account (joke pls don’t take it seriously)

user

@Wansen I didn't mean that you should put multiple messages in a single message lol, just that if you forget to add a single word, you can edit it in

caird coinheringaahing

00:28

Do you really need to post the full code here?

user

^

hyper-neutrino

→ 3 messages moved to The Nineteenth Bakery

ok please stop posting so many codeblocks

caird coinheringaahing

If you really need to post code, make a gist or something and share the link

Wansen

Um, okay x36

caird coinheringaahing

@Wansen FWIW, the Bakery is for messages here we'd like trashed. We keep it private so that people aren't pinged if their messages get moved

Wansen

00:30

Oh

user

TIO is also a good (quick) way to do it

Wansen

Okay

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing *gallery

caird coinheringaahing

private = gallery for non mods :P

Plus, "private" is more understandable :P

Wansen

Oh

btw I made *just a few rights*

hyper-neutrino

00:32

@cairdcoinheringaahing wait what? im confused

caird coinheringaahing

For example, there's a room called "Trash", but if we move messages there, then people get a notification. "Trashcan" doesn't give notifications, but is mod-only, so people can't see what was trashed. The Bakery works to not notify people, but still let them read what was trashed

Wansen

Huh

hyper-neutrino

but yeah true private is easier to understand :p but i would've used read-only

Wansen

okay

Huh it said :an unknown error has occurred:

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Non-mods can't create "private" rooms, and calling a gallery "private" makes more sense to a new user

hyper-neutrino

00:34

that's fair enough

Wansen

On a slightly more on-topic note, “wasif” had an idea for [a king-of-the-hill type challenge](codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/23868/95204) for my Evolution of Trust! (yes, I am now super obsessed with Nicky Case. Please don’t ask why) Problem is, I don’t know how to make a king-of-the-hill challenge. Any ideas?

caird coinheringaahing

Redwolf's the goto user for KoTHs

But he's inactive now

Wansen

Oh

Imma make a github thing for it then for now

hyper-neutrino

00:52

why do you keep using ---

caird coinheringaahing

Seriously, one of the "rules" for this room is that less is more. It doesn't need to always have messages, and you don't need to send "nothing" messages. Take a look at the chatiquette: "Don't make noise" is a central tenet here

user

I would say that less is less, and less is good because this is code golf :P

OldSandboxPosts

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Light-Cycle KotH, Make a number serious, Simulate my pill box [code-golf] [array-manipulation]

user

Wait, I thought the Tron KotH thing was posted already?

Redwolf Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing Frick it, I'll go ahead and write my post on KotHs

hyper-neutrino

01:01

nice, so if i start writing the thing about language design, maybe by the time i'll be done the timing will be right for post #4

Redwolf Programs

@Wansen Ooh, did I hear you were planning a KotH?

Wansen

yes

Redwolf Programs

Cool! If at any point you want help or feedback, let me know. KotHs can be pretty tricky to get right.

Wansen

Where to start?

Redwolf Programs

You probably want to start by coming up with a quick overview of the challenge. What the topic is, how the gameplay will go, what language(s) will be allowed.

Wansen

01:07

How would I do it if I allow all languages in TIO? I don't want to exclude "pure" code-golfers that only use Jelly or 05AB1E or others of the like

Redwolf Programs

KotHs are a little different with regards to allowed languages. I'd actually recommend keeping it limited to just JS or Python.

Wansen

Okay

Redwolf Programs

The problem with allowing any language is that it requires a lot of overhead for interacting with the controller, and most people already know JS or Python anyway.

After you're done with a quick overview, that's probably a good stage to start thinking about how fun the idea is so far. It's early enough in the process that you can make big changes without having to scrap lots of work, and unfortunately a large fraction of KotH ideas tend to not work so well in real life.

caird coinheringaahing

A good thing about Python Koths, is that a lot of langs are written in Python and so you can some up with some bash program on TIO that runs those in esoteric langs if you really want

Wansen

Okay

I'll leave it at "popular" languages: Python 2.7.0, Python 3.8.0, Javascript (ES6), C, C++

...except I don't know C or C++

Redwolf Programs

01:10

I'd probably just pick one of those, then

It feels wrong if you're used to code-golf, but restricting the language really is the easiest option in most cases

Wansen

I honestly think I'll just make it 3 categories, Python 2.7, 3.8, and JS+ES6

AviFS

Hey hey hey hey!

Redwolf Programs

Hey!

How're you?

caird coinheringaahing

Hey Avi :P

AviFS

Hi hi!!

Wansen

01:11

Hi

AviFS

I'm in MIA mode again unfortunately, and I don't think I'll be coming out of it anytime soon : (

Wansen

What's MIA mode?

caird coinheringaahing

Any reason why?

AviFS

Sorry guys. Sorry especially @RedwolfPrograms. I hate to keep ditching you on the thingy majig

caird coinheringaahing

@Wansen Avi has "phases" of being active here

Redwolf Programs

01:12

Everyone does, really

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, that's true

Wansen

oh

Redwolf Programs

I definitely do, I just drag myself into TNB every day because it's basically my job :p

But you'll notice I haven't asked a question in ages

AviFS

@cairdcoinheringaahing Arghhh, I don't know

caird coinheringaahing

I almost always have a TNB tab open, but I'll leave the room if my computer is closed for some reason

(e.g. if I'm walking to a lecture)

Redwolf Programs

01:14

Going back to KotHs (I've been drafting this message for like 5m :p):

There are two main things I'd keep in mind when thinking about whether a KotH will be fun: entry barrier and skill ceiling. Entry barrier is how hard it is to write a bot. If it's easy to get started, more people will get involved. Skill ceiling is the harder one. A higher skill ceiling means that it's harder to find an optimal strategy, often because there's a large number of possible strategies, and some depth in the gameplay.

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Oh god, main activity phases are completely different to chat activity phases :P

Wansen

Well it's basically prisoner's dilemma

except you can make mistakes

@Redwolf

AviFS

But I'll try my very bestest to stay in touch in one-on-one if anyone ever wants to reach out! I'm AviFS#4576 on Discord (and you can find me on the CGCC server)

Redwolf Programs

@Wansen In that case, you might want to consider something a little more complicated.

caird coinheringaahing

We could do with a "canonical" prisoner's dilemma Koth tbh, the current one is outdated and a bit overly complex

Wansen

01:15

Oh

AviFS

It'd be great to chat, so please feel free!! And I don't want to totally disappear : p

caird coinheringaahing

@AviFS See, I always want to reach out to people individually, but can never think of what to talk about :P

Last time I properly reached out to someone out of the blue on discord, was Mego and he's ignored me for 6 months :/

Wansen

@Redwolf It's prisoner's dilemma. 5% chance of making a mistake and doing the opposite of what wanted to do - equivalent of 10% chance random move instead. @AviFS, same as @cairdcoinheringaahing

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms Those sorts of KotHs tend to have a low entry barrier, so they get lots of submissions and tend to be fairly fun, but no deeper strategies are really possible (and no bots are really "unique", since there's only so many strategies and most have been done before).

AviFS

@cairdcoinheringaahing Then I'll beat you to it! Oh wait-- I already did and then you responded and then I never followed up again. NOOOOOOO

I do that to everyone : (

caird coinheringaahing

01:17

:P

Redwolf Programs

I'll try to contact you on discord whenever I get the chance, I usually don't use it so it's a little "out of sight out of mind" for me :p

Wansen

@AviFS RI :P

Redwolf Programs

Rest in :P?

caird coinheringaahing

IIRC, you responded to my last message by posting the latest checkup on Dennis in talk.tio :P

Wansen

@RedwolfPrograms R:-I-:P

caird coinheringaahing

01:24

@hyper-neutrino Do you get a ping when someone invites you to a room?

hyper-neutrino

01:58

@cairdcoinheringaahing yes

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing this could simplify anti-account-deletion grinders ;p

DLosc

@user Thanks for the info! I followed the instructions here to download the Scala installer for Windows and create the example hello-world project. Built it with sbt from command line and it worked.

Then I downloaded IntelliJ and tried to open the same project. The build failed and said "Cannot determine Java VM executable in selected JDK." Is that a Scala version error, or...?

New Posts

02:19

0

Q: Let's go for a rollercodester ride

Let's go for a rollercodester ride The objective of this challenge is to create a program that is run recursively through several languages of your choice. The output of the first iteration becomes the code for the second iteration, et. cetera. You choose the language sequence, but each unique l...

code-challenge

hyper-neutrino

there we go

right website this time :p

Redwolf Programs

My draft for a blog post on KotHs: docs.google.com/document/d/…

hyper-neutrino

that was quite fast

Redwolf Programs

(The links all go nowhere in particular, I just wanted them blue so I'd remember to fill in the right pages when I converted to markdown :p)

@hyper-neutrino I'd had parts of it drafted for a few weeks

hyper-neutrino

oh

i thought you typed that all up just now

Redwolf Programs

02:24

But I'm a fast writer :p

lyxal

02:39

@RedwolfPrograms frick I almost forgot to suggest from my actual cg related email

user

02:53

@DLosc Hmm, did you set an SDK?

I don’t think I’ve ever encountered that error before, maybe try creating a new project using the Scala project wizard and see which settings are changed?

DLosc

03:31

@user I doubt it, I don't know what that means. :P SDK = Software Development Kit?

hyper-neutrino

ngl watching the american election results was more interesting than watching canada's and i live in canada lol

DLosc

Well... we've had more than our share of "interesting" elections over the past couple of decades.

Redwolf Programs

I mean I know absolutely nothing about canadian politics, but it seems like it's probably not as interesting

DLosc

From what I've heard, the 80s were pretty boring, at least where presidential elections were concerned.

hyper-neutrino

yeah :P our elections usually aren't all that interesting cuz the difference between our two parties is significantly less than the democrats/republicans (i think)

and also since we actually have more than two parties unlike the US, we can have minority governments and that happesn quite often so change isn't as drastic

this election wasn't supposed to happen but the government called an early election to try to get a majority liberal government which doesn't seem to be happening from the projections and leads

Redwolf Programs

03:39

Plus with the US election there's 50 states which each get a pretty big vote in the final outcome, so there's 50 big "turning points" in the election results

Whereas with any reasonable system you just watch the votes trickle in

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms I mean... I wouldn't say all states get a pretty big vote. Not unless it comes down to the wire. Usually the result seems to depend on the medium-large states.

hyper-neutrino

that's true

we also have ridings here that are kinda like the electoral college except each riding is just worth 1 seat and there are 338 across the country so it's not as absurd as 50

it is still possible to lose the popular vote and win though, which happened last election (2019, liberals won with a slight popular vote disadvantage to the conservatives)

Redwolf Programs

@DLosc Well, not necessarily super big, but they're fairly sizeable and occur with a long enough delay that it's a bit suspenseful waiting to see which candidate gets the next few electors

DLosc

Yeah, true. It makes for better television.

hyper-neutrino

i mean the thing is every time the live counter for us changes it's like, liberals have gone from 159 projected seats to 158

whereas in the US it's like

cali votes came in, one party just jumped like a a tenth of the total votes lmao (idk if that number is even close)

DLosc

03:44

More than a tenth, IIRC

hyper-neutrino

55 / 538 apparently

so just over 1/10

DLosc

So, very good estimate :)

hyper-neutrino

i'm just glad that a) NDP support hasn't drawn too much support away from the liberal party which might cause it to lose and b) PPC still has 0 seats :)

hyper-neutrino

04:31

i just wrote while 1 in a random project file (not golf related) out of habit :/ lol

emanresu A

Hello

Codidact Posts

New Posts - Challenges - Code Golf: The Ludic Numbers

posted on September 21, 2021 by Razetime

The Ludic Numbers are a sequence that pops up when you apply the sieve of eratosthenes to the natural numbers, completely removing the numbers every iteration. Here is how they are gener...

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@emanresuA \o//o\\o//

pVC aecidiospore adduced

05:33

i finished latin-1 for minefont

pVC aecidiospore adduced

06:10

How do I install Haskell without chocolatey?

Razetime

06:20

download the binaries?

the best way to have ghc is to never build from source

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@Razetime i dont see any

installer or anything

Razetime

obviosuly you wont'

search for it

pVC aecidiospore adduced

i use haskell stack installer?

Razetime

you need to google questions a lot more

or go to a haskell chatroom

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@Razetime where?

SO? i dont find anything

it must be some cryptic name

hyper-neutrino

06:26

i just looked up "haskell binary download" and got to haskell.org/downloads which seems to have something about bindists and building from src

Razetime

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced i've no clue either :P

maybe if you google haskell chat there might be something

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@Razetime well time to implement a chat server :P

@hyper-neutrino i see mingw32 package for ghc

lyxal

TIL I was 10 minutes away from being a casual contact of someone with covid a week ago

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@lyxal ??

lyxal

06:46

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced I was out shopping for food 6 days ago, and left at 5:20pm. It's been released today that there was someone with covid at that same place I was at 5:30pm (10 minutes after I left)

emanresu A

That's... worrying.

lyxal

Y'think?

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@lyxal and the whole city is in lockdown?

lyxal

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced you're allowed to go out and buy food and other essential stuff

Wansen

07:03

@lyxal makes sense, lockdown's for less spread, not less food

and on a completely unrelated but on-topic note can anyone review Numberless?

lyxal

@Wansen too easy for golfing languages

Actually nvm

Wansen

Huh

lyxal

I read it wrong

Wansen

Program outputs 0123456789. Remove 0s, output 0. remove 1s => output 1 and so on

still code-golf like BaSiCaLLy eVeRy QuEsTiOn eVeR

I already make python solution, give me a moment to retrieve it

k = '0123456789'
for i in'abcdefghij':
 if str(j:=ord(i)-ord('a'))not in k:print(j);break
else:print(k)

As you can tell, I am obsessed with the variable names "k", "i" and "j". Very creative names, right?

emanresu A

@lyxal I have 18 bytes in Vyxal for ^, can you do better?

Wansen

07:16

umm

emanresu A

Nvm 16

Wansen

@emanresuA Ouch, that hurts!

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@Wansen ?

emanresu A

I have a 16-byte solution for your challenge in Vyxal, which is a golfing language so is much shorter than a solution in, say, Python.

Wansen

Can I see? Please @emanresuA

If you don't show me in 1-2 mins, I assume you change Vyxal so you can do it 1-byte which is disallowed

I think...?

pVC aecidiospore adduced

07:20

@Wansen what

oof

Wansen

um

pVC aecidiospore adduced

wdym

didnt you play with the vyxal bot ?

Wansen

I'm talking about my question up there - Numberless - "Your program should output 0123456789. If we remove all 0s, it should output 0. Same for all the other numbers (123456789)"

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced Yes, I did

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced a little too much

lyxal

@emanresuA I got 15, nerd

Get gamed on

pVC aecidiospore adduced

07:38

CMC: Implement a simple bitset

New Posts

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Q: Output the Collatz Tree using VBA

I am implementing the Collatz tree in VBA as discussed at: Rows of the Collatz tree Using the logic as discussed at: http://oeis.org/search?q=+A088976&sort=&language=&go=Search Given an Excel file with a Sheet named OUTPUT, my code which missing few CHILD values is: Public Sub CollatzTree() ' Col...

sequence arithmetic code-generation binary-tree

emanresu A

@lyxal Uqh...

I honestly don't know what you did :p

lyxal

@emanresuA would you like the solution?

emanresu A

Are you using the r flag?

lyxal

Nope

I'm only using s to make sure the output is technically a string

emanresu A

07:45

Hm....

lyxal

It's 15 flagless if output as a list for removed digits is fine

emanresu A

I had 1234567890kdFkd∨

lyxal

kd:1234567890⊍⟇ is shorter

emanresu A

Oh very nice

lyxal

Set operations are always useful for determining what's been removed

emanresu A

07:47

I never use those builtins :p

BTW are we going to make them multiset?

lyxal

∪ and ∩, yes

Maybe not ⊍

emanresu A

That's "elements in exactly one of the two sets", right?

lyxal

I uh actually don't know

I just call it "python's ^ when used for sets"

emanresu A

Well, if it behaves like xor, that's what it should do :p

Bye

Sandbox Posts

08:29

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Can this polynomial be factored? (in progress) As you may know, Polynomials are expressions involving the sum of a variable raised to various powers, each summand having a different power of the variable and a coefficient multipler of the variable. When the coefficients, variable, and powers are ...

Codidact Posts

08:46

New Posts - Challenges - Code Golf: Reverse your quine

posted on September 21, 2021 by Mark Giraffe

Challenge Write a program that prints its reversed self. For example, if your code is foo() Then it'll output: )(oof ...

emanresu A

09:02

How CR makes decisions:

11

A: Do we want accepted answers unpinned on Code Review?

Meh On Code Review, it makes little difference. Code Review isn't riddled with redundant answers. Most researchers are well-prepared to read lengthy and multiple answers. The re-organization of the accepted answer's page location is rather irrelevant here. When I am researching something on CR...

user

09:29

@DLosc Yep. You should see an option for it in File > Program Structure

Wansen

10:12

Introducing.... DUN DUN DUN! The new (not) tag: sort-of-code-golf-but-not-really-because-byte-count-is-only-a-tiebreaker

I am no longer using it in my "new" post.

New Posts

0

Q: Building MySQL Database, Server-Application & Client-Application

Task Description: In this task you will learn the difference between client & server machines. You will also learn how to use various scripting languages and technology to build database server, server application, and client application. 1- To build the Database you can use Mysql Workbench. Your...

code-challenge

Wansen

But can anyone review it? it's the king-of-the-hill Evolution of Trust (Part 2) question idea I was talking about earlier in the day. Link!

@NewPosts pls

@NewPosts no

(r3moved)

rak1507

11:13

@user lol, nice

Jonathan Frech

12:33

@cairdcoinheringaahing Thank you again. I finally took the time to finish my V golf; When's the Listening Party? should you want to view it.

caird coinheringaahing

12:56

@JonathanFrech Nice! Happy to help :P

pVC aecidiospore adduced

13:24

CMC: Write a function to compute the nth fibbonacci number. No fibbonacci builtins allowed

brownie points if its less than 18 bytes

user41805

@JonathanFrech you can avoid bc with vim's i_<c-r>= . also it seems in vim, the comparison operators returns 0 or 1, so you can also use that instead of sorting. is there a reason why you chose v instead of vim, since it seems you don't use any v-specific features?

Redwolf Programs

@lyxal Imagine not being constantly in contact with people who have fairly high chance of having covid

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced f=x=>x<2?x:f(x-1)+f(x-2)

lyxal

13:42

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced Vyxal: λ2>[₌‹⇩x$x+

Because recursion is cool

Aaron Miller

@lyxal Couldn't you also use Ḟ? I was too lazy to try it, so I'm not sure which would be shorter

lyxal

@AaronMiller that implies I know how to use Ḟ

Which I don't.

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@lyxal how does that work?

Aaron Miller

in Vyxal, Jul 29 at 11:45, by lyxal

!!/run ⁽+dk≈Ḟ,

lyxal

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced x calls the current function

pVC aecidiospore adduced

13:46

because i have: λf≡2<⁇↵≡⇂@f`⇂⇂@f+; for future dinoux

@lyxal oof

time to copy the del from apl

lyxal

@AaronMiller kudos to past lyxal for figuring out how to use Ḟ

Because current lyxal is way too tired to do so

Aaron Miller

lol

lyxal

Hence why I think I'll get going

Future lyxal will be with y'all soon

o/

Redwolf Programs

Ash, old (probably not the shortest): ?.1>+ẋm.ẋ-.2

@lyxal o/

Aaron Miller

/o

pVC aecidiospore adduced

13:49

λf≡2<⁇↵≡⇂∇`⇂⇂∇+;

Redwolf Programs

If Ash was well designed, ?.1>+ẋm.ẋmm would save a byte. If it was actually well designed, it could be much shorter than that I'm sure.

pVC aecidiospore adduced

looking at vyxal and ash, i dont think dinoux will stand a chance

m90

DLosc

@user Okay, so at this point I'm super frustrated and about ready to give up on the whole thing (or maybe just IntelliJ). >_<

Googled a bit, figured out that JDK basically = Java compiler etc. Fine. How to find the path to the one I have installed? Googled some more. Tried where javac. Turns out it's in C:\Users\DLosc\AppData\Local\Coursier\cache\jvm\[email protected]. That's... not where I expect things to install themselves, but whatever.

Plugged that in to IntelliJ. It looked like it recognized it as a valid JDK, that's good. Rebuilt the Hello World project. Same error. I give up.

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@m90 what, machine code can beat dinoux?!

DLosc

14:07

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced Pip 1.0, full program, 10 bytes: Lai::o+:ii

pVC aecidiospore adduced

10 bytes?!

how much shorter can it get?!

pVC aecidiospore adduced

14:20

@RedwolfPrograms you changed your name?

when?

Redwolf Programs

I was originally Redwolf, I just changed it to Browncat for cat week :p

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@RedwolfPrograms i know

i was asking when

Redwolf Programs

Yesterday, idk :p

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@RedwolfPrograms wait you changed it for a couple of weeks

Redwolf Programs

Yeah, I kinda like Browncat

pVC aecidiospore adduced

14:22

in Dinoux Room, 11 mins ago, by pVC aecidiospore adduced

This room was placed in timeout for 12 hours; idk

^ as you can see i am bored

DLosc

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced CJam, 11 bytes: 0X{_@+}ri*;

If a couple things were different about the language, that could easily be 9 bytes.

pVC aecidiospore adduced

in Dinoux Room, 3 mins ago, by pVC aecidiospore adduced

i will add parallel execution of functions

^ woo fake parallelism, now dinoux is very powerful

Redwolf Programs

Doesn't sound golfy :p

Don't make a kitchen sink, it's tempting to add all sorts of fancy stuff but a narrow, focused vision will probably give you a better result

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@RedwolfPrograms you think the language is golfy?

Redwolf Programs

Oh, is it not meant to a golfing language?

pVC aecidiospore adduced

14:36

it is

but i doesnt look like it will beat any other golfing lang

provided 1 goal is to make the language readable

Redwolf Programs

I've said it before, I think some kinds of readability (to a degree) are possible without sacrificing golfiness

Although I don't know if Dinoux is working on those specific types of readability, or other ones

pVC aecidiospore adduced

i would need to know those kinds

@RedwolfPrograms do you have a list?

Redwolf Programs

Code page readability, storage/layout rules (tacit, stack based, etc.), and overloads are probably the main three

Things like familiarity and intuitiveness are the hard ones, because unless you use APL/J or Forth as your everyday languages, you probably won't feel comfortable with tacit or stack based for a while

Aaron Miller

:w

oh shoot i thought i had vim focused

lol

Redwolf Programs

You've saved us all

You're a hero!

Aaron Miller

14:49

\o/

Redwolf Programs

:w would be a neat emoticon

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@RedwolfPrograms like what do you think when you see +×÷-&|?

@RedwolfPrograms ▪︎_▪︎

Redwolf Programs

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced I think "I need to go check if this is prefix, postfix, tacit, or stack based" :p

Aaron Miller

unassuming link

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@RedwolfPrograms oof? in general

@AaronMiller what?

Aaron Miller

14:55

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced Vim string compression /s

Redwolf Programs

Bubbler

@pVCaecidiosporeadduced Jelly, 7 bytes: Try it online!

pVC aecidiospore adduced

@RedwolfPrograms get written muhahaha.

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