The Nineteenth Byte

Wansen

12:03 AM

Who’s Jon Skeet?

user

Our Lord

Wansen

Oh wait, he’s the highest reputation person?

on stack_overflow_api?

user

@Wansen He is no person, he is a God, a legend

Jon Skeet can perform infinite loops in 4.6 seconds

caird coinheringaahing

@Wansen First user on the network to hit 1m rep

user

366

Q: Jon Skeet Facts

I'm looking for Chuck Norris Facts style answers. In case anyone is curious, this question was inspired by Jon's own comment to this question. EDIT: If you're into cryptography, you may enjoy these facts. Now with official sanction from the powers that be!

caird coinheringaahing

12:07 AM

@Wansen You can delete messages

Wansen

What if

there was STILL a SE API

(Python)

hyper-neutrino

there is a python chat api wrapper and an SE api (idk if there's a python wrapper but it's not hard to do yourself)

caird coinheringaahing

You realise there is an SE API, and a Python module that goes with it

user

Odd, I just realized nothing was starred on Saturday and Sunday (my time)

caird coinheringaahing

in CGCC Blog Chat, 11 mins ago, by Feeds

This room has been automatically frozen for inactivity

Rip the blog

user

12:13 AM

:'(

Wansen

Un-RIP the blog - Jon Skeet used the Imperius curse to force hyper to unfreeze the room

then he freezes it without saying anything

RIP blog (sequel)

caird coinheringaahing

That said: if y'all have a topic you'd like to write about for the blog, please feel free to. The post about topics is just a suggestion, if you'd like to write about something else related to the site, do so!

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Wansen

There’s only one way to remove Jon Skeet

Jon Skeet wanting to remove Jon Skeet

nevertheless,I tried

Here’s what happened

hyper-neutrino

it actually takes about 4 clicks to remove jon skeet i think

user

Is it recommended to just ignore restrictive IO restrictions on old challenges that many people have complained about?

Wansen

12:22 AM

JonSkeetStopsPersonDoingHacksError: not a chance

user

@hyper-neutrino If you click all 4, I bet it'll backfire and delete you instead :P

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Nah, because for someone with that many votes, he'd need CM approval to be destroyed

user

Wait, really?

hyper-neutrino

not destroy, just delete. but maybe deletion wouldn't work either. idk never tried deleting anyone with more than like 3 rep

actually idek if i've deleted any users

user

gnat must be near-bulletproof :P

caird coinheringaahing

12:24 AM

@user Yeah, if you've cast more than a certain number of votes, the SE team has to agree to delete your account

Wansen

I fixed the code

so

even if it fails once

caird coinheringaahing

I'd imagine that the same process applies to destroying an account

Wansen

it will try again many more times

hyper-neutrino

for science i will try to delete caird's account /s

Wansen

No

Like

user

12:25 AM

@Wansen fyi You can edit your messages if you accidentally hit enter to ensure they're on one line

Wansen

@hyper, only if @caird says “yes”. @user, got it, but I forgot

user

@hyper-neutrino Try deleting mine! :P

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino I'm an honorary mod, you can't delete (honorary) mod accounts :P

Wansen

Okay

I made code to delete account (joke pls don’t take it seriously)

user

@Wansen I didn't mean that you should put multiple messages in a single message lol, just that if you forget to add a single word, you can edit it in

caird coinheringaahing

12:28 AM

Do you really need to post the full code here?

user

^

hyper-neutrino

→ 3 messages moved to The Nineteenth Bakery

ok please stop posting so many codeblocks

caird coinheringaahing

If you really need to post code, make a gist or something and share the link

Wansen

Um, okay x36

caird coinheringaahing

@Wansen FWIW, the Bakery is for messages here we'd like trashed. We keep it private so that people aren't pinged if their messages get moved

Wansen

12:30 AM

Oh

user

TIO is also a good (quick) way to do it

Wansen

Okay

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing *gallery

caird coinheringaahing

private = gallery for non mods :P

Plus, "private" is more understandable :P

Wansen

Oh

btw I made *just a few rights*

hyper-neutrino

12:32 AM

@cairdcoinheringaahing wait what? im confused

caird coinheringaahing

For example, there's a room called "Trash", but if we move messages there, then people get a notification. "Trashcan" doesn't give notifications, but is mod-only, so people can't see what was trashed. The Bakery works to not notify people, but still let them read what was trashed

Wansen

Huh

hyper-neutrino

but yeah true private is easier to understand :p but i would've used read-only

Wansen

okay

Huh it said :an unknown error has occurred:

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Non-mods can't create "private" rooms, and calling a gallery "private" makes more sense to a new user

hyper-neutrino

12:34 AM

that's fair enough

Wansen

On a slightly more on-topic note, “wasif” had an idea for [a king-of-the-hill type challenge](codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/23868/95204) for my Evolution of Trust! (yes, I am now super obsessed with Nicky Case. Please don’t ask why) Problem is, I don’t know how to make a king-of-the-hill challenge. Any ideas?

caird coinheringaahing

Redwolf's the goto user for KoTHs

But he's inactive now

Wansen

Oh

Imma make a github thing for it then for now

hyper-neutrino

12:52 AM

why do you keep using ---

caird coinheringaahing

Seriously, one of the "rules" for this room is that less is more. It doesn't need to always have messages, and you don't need to send "nothing" messages. Take a look at the chatiquette: "Don't make noise" is a central tenet here

user

I would say that less is less, and less is good because this is code golf :P

OldSandboxPosts

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Light-Cycle KotH, Make a number serious, Simulate my pill box [code-golf] [array-manipulation]

user

Wait, I thought the Tron KotH thing was posted already?

Redwolf Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing Frick it, I'll go ahead and write my post on KotHs

hyper-neutrino

1:01 AM

nice, so if i start writing the thing about language design, maybe by the time i'll be done the timing will be right for post #4

Redwolf Programs

@Wansen Ooh, did I hear you were planning a KotH?

Wansen

yes

Redwolf Programs

Cool! If at any point you want help or feedback, let me know. KotHs can be pretty tricky to get right.

Wansen

Where to start?

Redwolf Programs

You probably want to start by coming up with a quick overview of the challenge. What the topic is, how the gameplay will go, what language(s) will be allowed.

Wansen

1:07 AM

How would I do it if I allow all languages in TIO? I don't want to exclude "pure" code-golfers that only use Jelly or 05AB1E or others of the like

Redwolf Programs

KotHs are a little different with regards to allowed languages. I'd actually recommend keeping it limited to just JS or Python.

Wansen

Okay

Redwolf Programs

The problem with allowing any language is that it requires a lot of overhead for interacting with the controller, and most people already know JS or Python anyway.

After you're done with a quick overview, that's probably a good stage to start thinking about how fun the idea is so far. It's early enough in the process that you can make big changes without having to scrap lots of work, and unfortunately a large fraction of KotH ideas tend to not work so well in real life.

caird coinheringaahing

A good thing about Python Koths, is that a lot of langs are written in Python and so you can some up with some bash program on TIO that runs those in esoteric langs if you really want

Wansen

Okay

I'll leave it at "popular" languages: Python 2.7.0, Python 3.8.0, Javascript (ES6), C, C++

...except I don't know C or C++

Redwolf Programs

1:10 AM

I'd probably just pick one of those, then

It feels wrong if you're used to code-golf, but restricting the language really is the easiest option in most cases

Wansen

I honestly think I'll just make it 3 categories, Python 2.7, 3.8, and JS+ES6

AviFS

Hey hey hey hey!

Redwolf Programs

Hey!

How're you?

caird coinheringaahing

Hey Avi :P

AviFS

Hi hi!!

Wansen

1:11 AM

Hi

AviFS

I'm in MIA mode again unfortunately, and I don't think I'll be coming out of it anytime soon : (

Wansen

What's MIA mode?

caird coinheringaahing

Any reason why?

AviFS

Sorry guys. Sorry especially @RedwolfPrograms. I hate to keep ditching you on the thingy majig

caird coinheringaahing

@Wansen Avi has "phases" of being active here

Redwolf Programs

1:12 AM

Everyone does, really

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, that's true

Wansen

oh

Redwolf Programs

I definitely do, I just drag myself into TNB every day because it's basically my job :p

But you'll notice I haven't asked a question in ages

AviFS

@cairdcoinheringaahing Arghhh, I don't know

caird coinheringaahing

I almost always have a TNB tab open, but I'll leave the room if my computer is closed for some reason

(e.g. if I'm walking to a lecture)

Redwolf Programs

1:14 AM

Going back to KotHs (I've been drafting this message for like 5m :p):

There are two main things I'd keep in mind when thinking about whether a KotH will be fun: entry barrier and skill ceiling. Entry barrier is how hard it is to write a bot. If it's easy to get started, more people will get involved. Skill ceiling is the harder one. A higher skill ceiling means that it's harder to find an optimal strategy, often because there's a large number of possible strategies, and some depth in the gameplay.

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Oh god, main activity phases are completely different to chat activity phases :P

Wansen

Well it's basically prisoner's dilemma

except you can make mistakes

@Redwolf

AviFS

But I'll try my very bestest to stay in touch in one-on-one if anyone ever wants to reach out! I'm AviFS#4576 on Discord (and you can find me on the CGCC server)

Redwolf Programs

@Wansen In that case, you might want to consider something a little more complicated.

caird coinheringaahing

We could do with a "canonical" prisoner's dilemma Koth tbh, the current one is outdated and a bit overly complex

Wansen

1:15 AM

Oh

AviFS

It'd be great to chat, so please feel free!! And I don't want to totally disappear : p

caird coinheringaahing

@AviFS See, I always want to reach out to people individually, but can never think of what to talk about :P

Last time I properly reached out to someone out of the blue on discord, was Mego and he's ignored me for 6 months :/

Wansen

@Redwolf It's prisoner's dilemma. 5% chance of making a mistake and doing the opposite of what wanted to do - equivalent of 10% chance random move instead. @AviFS, same as @cairdcoinheringaahing

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms Those sorts of KotHs tend to have a low entry barrier, so they get lots of submissions and tend to be fairly fun, but no deeper strategies are really possible (and no bots are really "unique", since there's only so many strategies and most have been done before).

AviFS

@cairdcoinheringaahing Then I'll beat you to it! Oh wait-- I already did and then you responded and then I never followed up again. NOOOOOOO

I do that to everyone : (

caird coinheringaahing

1:17 AM

:P

Redwolf Programs

I'll try to contact you on discord whenever I get the chance, I usually don't use it so it's a little "out of sight out of mind" for me :p

Wansen

@AviFS RI :P

Redwolf Programs

Rest in :P?

caird coinheringaahing

IIRC, you responded to my last message by posting the latest checkup on Dennis in talk.tio :P

Wansen

@RedwolfPrograms R:-I-:P

caird coinheringaahing

1:24 AM

@hyper-neutrino Do you get a ping when someone invites you to a room?

hyper-neutrino

1:58 AM

@cairdcoinheringaahing yes

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing this could simplify anti-account-deletion grinders ;p

DLosc

@user Thanks for the info! I followed the instructions here to download the Scala installer for Windows and create the example hello-world project. Built it with sbt from command line and it worked.

Then I downloaded IntelliJ and tried to open the same project. The build failed and said "Cannot determine Java VM executable in selected JDK." Is that a Scala version error, or...?

New Posts

2:19 AM

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Q: Let's go for a rollercodester ride

Let's go for a rollercodester ride The objective of this challenge is to create a program that is run recursively through several languages of your choice. The output of the first iteration becomes the code for the second iteration, et. cetera. You choose the language sequence, but each unique l...

code-challenge

hyper-neutrino

there we go

right website this time :p

Redwolf Programs

My draft for a blog post on KotHs: docs.google.com/document/d/…

hyper-neutrino

that was quite fast

Redwolf Programs

(The links all go nowhere in particular, I just wanted them blue so I'd remember to fill in the right pages when I converted to markdown :p)

@hyper-neutrino I'd had parts of it drafted for a few weeks

hyper-neutrino

oh

i thought you typed that all up just now

Redwolf Programs

2:24 AM

But I'm a fast writer :p

lyxal

2:39 AM

@RedwolfPrograms frick I almost forgot to suggest from my actual cg related email

user

2:53 AM

@DLosc Hmm, did you set an SDK?

I don’t think I’ve ever encountered that error before, maybe try creating a new project using the Scala project wizard and see which settings are changed?

DLosc

3:31 AM

@user I doubt it, I don't know what that means. :P SDK = Software Development Kit?

hyper-neutrino

ngl watching the american election results was more interesting than watching canada's and i live in canada lol

DLosc

Well... we've had more than our share of "interesting" elections over the past couple of decades.

Redwolf Programs

I mean I know absolutely nothing about canadian politics, but it seems like it's probably not as interesting

DLosc

From what I've heard, the 80s were pretty boring, at least where presidential elections were concerned.

hyper-neutrino

yeah :P our elections usually aren't all that interesting cuz the difference between our two parties is significantly less than the democrats/republicans (i think)

and also since we actually have more than two parties unlike the US, we can have minority governments and that happesn quite often so change isn't as drastic

this election wasn't supposed to happen but the government called an early election to try to get a majority liberal government which doesn't seem to be happening from the projections and leads

Redwolf Programs

3:39 AM

Plus with the US election there's 50 states which each get a pretty big vote in the final outcome, so there's 50 big "turning points" in the election results

Whereas with any reasonable system you just watch the votes trickle in

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms I mean... I wouldn't say all states get a pretty big vote. Not unless it comes down to the wire. Usually the result seems to depend on the medium-large states.

hyper-neutrino

that's true

we also have ridings here that are kinda like the electoral college except each riding is just worth 1 seat and there are 338 across the country so it's not as absurd as 50

it is still possible to lose the popular vote and win though, which happened last election (2019, liberals won with a slight popular vote disadvantage to the conservatives)

Redwolf Programs

@DLosc Well, not necessarily super big, but they're fairly sizeable and occur with a long enough delay that it's a bit suspenseful waiting to see which candidate gets the next few electors

DLosc

Yeah, true. It makes for better television.

hyper-neutrino

i mean the thing is every time the live counter for us changes it's like, liberals have gone from 159 projected seats to 158

whereas in the US it's like

cali votes came in, one party just jumped like a a tenth of the total votes lmao (idk if that number is even close)

DLosc

3:44 AM

More than a tenth, IIRC

hyper-neutrino

55 / 538 apparently

so just over 1/10

DLosc

So, very good estimate :)

hyper-neutrino

i'm just glad that a) NDP support hasn't drawn too much support away from the liberal party which might cause it to lose and b) PPC still has 0 seats :)

hyper-neutrino

4:31 AM

i just wrote while 1 in a random project file (not golf related) out of habit :/ lol

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