The Nineteenth Byte

18:00

Just realised how active (as a whole) our meta is. Compare the Q ids for each link in this table (most of the are discussions posted in the last few days). Ours is 23854, second only to Math.SE with 34076

Browncat Programs

It still happens without the linux VM open though, so it seems the browser might also play a part in it

Conclusion: My laptop is a potato and the Chrome OS people might have messed something up

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Odd, I didn't think of it as particularly active outside of the Sandbox. We rarely ever get new questions

caird coinheringaahing

~8000 of those ids are Sandbox answers, granted, but that still puts us around 15000, which is 4th in that list

user

I'm sad that other sites are so inactive now :(

Browncat Programs

I love how you can click "end process" on the GPU process on chromebooks, and it makes the screen go black for a few seconds :p

Baby_Boy

18:11

Chromebooks are garbage

Browncat Programs

I personally love them

It's nice to have a very cheap, somewhat fast laptop that does basically everything you need

hyper-neutrino

*everything you need :p

Browncat Programs

Other than gaming and video editing, there's not much they're bad at :p

Compared with something like a windows laptop for the same cost, they do much better

If you've ever used a $200 windows laptop, you know how much better a chromebook is for that price range

But then again you don't, because using said $200 windows laptop already caused you to jump off a building

Baby_Boy

and there update plan is crap, after 5 years its done

Browncat Programs

After five years what's done?

Baby_Boy

18:17

updates from google

they stop supporting devices after 5 years

Browncat Programs

Who uses the same laptop for 5 years anyway, especially if it's a chromebook?

The main good thing about them is that they're cheap

And a lot of the new features require updated hardware, so updating old ones won't give you much anyway

And I've found the updates themselves to be pretty consistently good, and they're pretty frequent

Baby_Boy

but you still have the option with a windows computer, give it to a sibling, whatever

chromebook you cant

Browncat Programs

Chrome OS is secure and has enough features already, even if they didn't update it it'd be fine for another decade

Baby_Boy

dont get me started on chrome OS...

Browncat Programs

I have a chromebook from five years ago, my dad still uses it and it works fine (after changing out a $20 part). It probably will work for another five years, too

Chrome OS is pretty awesome, IMO

Baby_Boy

18:21

but all you can really use is googles apps

Browncat Programs

Haha lol what

You can run anything you can run on Linux or Android

And most stuff's through the browser anyway

Baby_Boy

well for 90% of chromebooks you cant

Browncat Programs

Only for old ones

Baby_Boy

because of the update suport

Browncat Programs

Every chromebook I've seen made in the last few years has Linux and Google Play support

For hardware reasons older ones don't

Baby_Boy

18:22

last few years

what reasons

Browncat Programs

@Baby_Boy Exactly, Chrome OS is still evolving quite a bit

I'm not talking about Chrome OS five years ago, I'm talking about Chrome OS

Baby_Boy

android phones hava had google play for years

and they are much smaller

Browncat Programs

Uh...yeah?

That's irrelevant though

Android and Chrome OS are totally different things

Baby_Boy

so what hardware reasons are there for no google play?

Browncat Programs

I don't know exactly

But I'd imagine making android apps run on a chromebook requires some pretty major updates

Baby_Boy

18:25

and what about the linux support?

Browncat Programs

Same thing

It requires lots of sandboxing and stuff

Baby_Boy

i can run linux on my 6 year old chromebook but i had to jailbreak it

Browncat Programs

Well sure, the hardware itself can run linux, but not in the VM setup Chrome OS uses

Baby_Boy

chrome OS is linux

well a boiled down version

Browncat Programs

The opposite

Not boiled down

Lots of stuff on top of it

Baby_Boy

18:28

you can do everything you can do on chrome os and more on standard linux

so it has less

Browncat Programs

@Baby_Boy But slower

Try running FF on Chrome OS, and you'll notice it runs considerably slower than Chrome. It's optimized very heavily.

Baby_Boy

chrome OS is faster because its boiled down

Browncat Programs

But you still have access to basically everything you do on Linux

Despite the higher speed and sleeker UI when browsing the web

Which happens to be a large percentage of what I (and most people) do

Baby_Boy

windows has a much better ui than chrome OS

Browncat Programs

And a quarter the speed :p

Baby_Boy

18:30

as well as ubuntu

Browncat Programs

Plus I disagree

And ubuntu is hideous

Baby_Boy

NO

SATAN

Browncat Programs

20.04 is okay I guess, but I still vastly prefer Chrome OS's appearance

Baby_Boy

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

...

Browncat Programs

I run Ubuntu on my other laptop, and I like it. But the UI is no contest.

Baby_Boy

18:31

and windows?

oh and dont forget mac

Browncat Programs

They're okay, although I still prefer some aspects of Chrome

Windows's incessant advertising and preinstalled adware is very annoying, whereas chromebooks are nice out of the box

Baby_Boy

like what?

i ment aspects of chrome OS

Browncat Programs

Chrome OS's taskbar is nice, and the UI is very consistent

Windows is mostly nice, but occasionally you come across older programs that look ancient

I will admit it does look about as good though once you get rid of all the garbage preinstalled stuff

Haven't used Mac OS in about ten years so can't say much about that

I can say I really don't like the design of iOS, so if Mac is anything like that then Chrome OS is better

Baby_Boy

and the availability of aplications on widows, you have to admit, is a big plus

Browncat Programs

It is a big plus yeah, but Chrome OS has a big selection as well

Basically everything from Linux, plus android, plus its own native apps

Baby_Boy

18:35

MUCH smaller still

user

@BrowncatPrograms GNOME?

I quite like it, although it doesn't look as well designed as Windows

Browncat Programs

Ubuntu 20.04 relies a lot more on purple than orange, so I like it more, but I remember 18.04 being quite gross

Baby_Boy

no whe're debaitig chrome OS

user

It's a lot more customizable than Windows (and probably Chromebooks?)

Browncat Programs

That's the biggest advantage of Linux

Baby_Boy

18:37

@user definatly chromebooks

Browncat Programs

Linux > Windows > Chromebooks for customizability

Chromebooks don't have all that much to customize though :p

Baby_Boy

you mean Linux>windows>mac>chrome

user

@Baby_Boy Don't have strong opinions on Chrome OS, but Material themes just feel...light to me. Like the application doesn't have any substance. I know it's a bit silly, but I prefer Windows for the UI

Browncat Programs

I don't know anything about modern Mac OS

Baby_Boy

@user agreed my favorite ui is definitely windows

user

18:38

MacOS looks like it could be customized but Apple is so territorial about their products

Browncat Programs

Actually, I might have to concede on the UI thing

Baby_Boy

OH?

PLEASE GO ON!

user

@BrowncatPrograms Concede what?

Baby_Boy

:)

Browncat Programs

@user Chromebooks' UI is nice, but with some tweaks I guess Windows does look better

Baby_Boy

18:40

YESSS

Browncat Programs

But appearance is not the reason I use a chromebook every single day :p

Baby_Boy

walk into the light my child

user

@BrowncatPrograms Chromebooks don't look too bad, though, it's not a deal-breaker

Baby_Boy is the new Jesus :P

Browncat Programs

@BrowncatPrograms It's the fact that it does everything I need (except Minecraft), but if some idiot spills chocolate milk on it I don't have to care

Baby_Boy

@user the hardware on the other hand

user

18:41

@BrowncatPrograms Wait, Chromebooks are chocolate milk proof?

Browncat Programs

@Baby_Boy Chromebooks squeeze way more out of cheap hardware than Windows

@user No, they're cheap enough you just walk away and get a new one :p

Baby_Boy

@user oo i like that...

user

@Baby_Boy I'm also kinda biased against them thanks to my experiences with school Chromebooks

@BrowncatPrograms lol

pxeger

@user I think the same, maybe because generic material UIs have kinda become overused on every generic android app and every generic web app that they look rubbish now

Baby_Boy

@BrowncatPrograms i like his interpretation better

Browncat Programs

18:42

Well, my chromebook is actually quite durable to be fair

pxeger

it's like using the default MS Office font (Calibri) for branded documents

Browncat Programs

It's suffered some serious abuse and works just as well as it did when I got it

pxeger

@BrowncatPrograms apart from the disk failing?? oh wait was that a different laptop

Baby_Boy

@BrowncatPrograms i just want to be certian, this was a just a debate of pros and cons so no hard feelings, right? :)

user

@user They bought new Chromebooks with touchscreens for everyone, even those who can carry around laptops of their own, but half the features are disabled (even completely harmless ones, like changing the fonts and stuff). I can't run a single command in crosh, can't install anything, can't customize anything

Baby_Boy

18:43

@user same for me...

Browncat Programs

@Baby_Boy Of course :p

user

@Baby_Boy I assume both of you should only have soft feelings left, since this was about software and not hardware

Browncat Programs

@BrowncatPrograms It's been hit multiple times with very fast moving and heavy objects (the whole screen's been knocked off by a basketball and I just popped it back on and nothing happened), I've walked around in the rain with it (when my $1k laptop completely died after walking though some rain with it in three layers of backpacks/sleeves)

user

> It's been hit multiple times with very fast moving and heavy objects

Baby_Boy

@user i tryed to activate developer mode and it just power washed it, they had to put in the administrator login XD

pxeger

18:45

> the whole screen's been knocked off by a basketball

are you being bullied?

caird coinheringaahing

Imagine having an opinion about OSs instead of just buying any laptop and making it work :P

Browncat Programs

No lol

user

@user Must be hard being the target of so many assassination attempts :P

@BrowncatPrograms Wait, are you the bully? Are your victims retaliating against you?

Browncat Programs

In PE last year we spent the last half hour sitting around on our laptops, but someone decided to play basketball...and I was sitting under the basketball thingy

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Of course, you must just wipe the OS on any laptop you get so you can replace it with cairdOS :P

Browncat Programs

18:46

Well, not directly under it, but close enough. They didn't have very good aim.

caird coinheringaahing

> someone decided to play basketball
> I was sitting under the basketball thingy

user

@BrowncatPrograms Sitting on laptops doesn't sound like a good idea

caird coinheringaahing

This seems to be entirely on you IMO :P

Browncat Programs

@user They need to stay warm or they won't hatch

caird coinheringaahing

@user It's the easiest way to get plenty of Jelly praise and Vyxal rants :P

user

18:47

TIL wolves lay laptops that hatch and become...I don't even want to know

caird coinheringaahing

What came first, the Redwolf or the Chromebook?

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Baby_Boy

> sitting under the basketball thingy
something tells me your not a sports person XD

user

Of course not, this is TNB :P

We don't play that kind of golf here

caird coinheringaahing

Last time we did, the mods yelled at us after we broke a window :(

Baby_Boy

@user wait what? i wanted to practice my putting...

user

18:49

We have some challenges about (w)hole numbers, if you're interested

@Baby_Boy It didn't just tell you it was disabled or something?

Baby_Boy

it did.... AFTER it did a full reset

and powerwash was disabled

Browncat Programs

Trying to activate dev mode on any chromebook is an awful idea

Baby_Boy

what

how??

user

^^^ Should've been completely blocked by your school administrators

It's like jailbreaking an iPhone

Browncat Programs

Just use crostini

Baby_Boy

18:52

@user yeah theyre kinda garbage lmao

user

@BrowncatPrograms crosh doesn't do anything on my Chromebook (commands like ls and pwd don't work, tracepath and ping just time out)

Browncat Programs

If school admins were good at their jobs they would work somewhere that pays better :p

user

lol

Browncat Programs

@user Who said anything about crosh?

Baby_Boy

@BrowncatPrograms which you need dev mode to install

user

18:53

Unfortunately, the ones at my school are too good and keep finding new ways to restrict us :(

@BrowncatPrograms Oh is crostini a different thing

Browncat Programs

@Baby_Boy No, I mean the linux apps thing

Isn't that called crostini? Or is that something else

user

No, crostini's something different

It is a tool of the Dark Side: crostini.io

Baby_Boy

nah thats liux beta

user

nvm, there's another Crostini

Baby_Boy

yeah but thats diferent too

Browncat Programs

18:54

No, I think y'all are thinking of crouton

Crostini is the name of the linux beta

user

@BrowncatPrograms I can't tell if you're messing with me at this point

Baby_Boy

theyre part of the same progect

pxeger

why are there two products called Crostini for ChromeOS? That's very stupid

user

@BrowncatPrograms This?

Browncat Programs

Yeah

user

18:55

@pxeger A trademark of Google :P

Baby_Boy

crostini is an open source software for liux on chrome BEFORE linux beta was released

Browncat Programs

Ah ok

pxeger

@BrowncatPrograms github.com/RedwolfPrograms/rto-proto/blob/main/docker.js#L13

what's with the funky alphabet?

user

@user I'm like 50% sure I couldn't do this but I'll try again just in case it's possible

Browncat Programs

Wait no

> Linux on Chrome OS, sometimes called Crostini, allows you to run Linux apps for development alongside your usual Chrome OS desktop & apps.

Baby_Boy

18:57

@BrowncatPrograms chromeos.dev/en/linux

Browncat Programs

I'm 90% sure Linux (Beta) == Crostini

@pxeger I got rid of the yucky letters

We don't need those

pxeger

@BrowncatPrograms oh ffs lmao

Browncat Programs

(The IDs will be generated with a more reasonable format later on, that's just a placeholder :p)

user

May I suggest doing it the way repl.it and giphycat do it? (AdventurousStudiousGiraffe or smth)

Browncat Programs

I'm considering that, yeah

But not very seriously

user

18:59

:(

pxeger

I feel like that's unnecessary given the ID is mostly internal

words are good to be typed in by a human

user

But it's funny :P

caird coinheringaahing

var numbers = [
    "a", "b", "c", "d", "f", "g", "i", "j", "k", "n", "o",
    "p", "q", "r", "s", "t", "u", "v", "w", "x", "y", "z"
];

@BrowncatPrograms I think you need to learn what numbers are :P

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing haven't you done algebra? duuh that's year 6 maths!

caird coinheringaahing

Also, why are some letters missing?

pxeger

19:00

2 mins ago, by Browncat Programs

@pxeger I got rid of the yucky letters

Browncat Programs

When you get rid of the yucky letters the alphabet is pretty cool

caird coinheringaahing

Disagree that l is yucky

pxeger

@BrowncatPrograms eehhllmm

Browncat Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing l is only yucky when it's around j. They can't be together or they'll get into trouble.

caird coinheringaahing

...what words have l near j?

Browncat Programs

19:03

j is friends with i and k, so I get rid of l since it won't make as many of them lonely

caird coinheringaahing

Juul?

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing it isn't a word, but the literal alphabet has JkL

jelly

jewellery

jilt

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger There's at least 2 e's there to distract Redwolf from j/l :P

@pxeger @BrowncatPrograms Welp, I hope for your synesthesia's sake that you never have a jilted lover :P

pxeger

...because of the synesthaesia, not because of losing the lover? lmao

Browncat Programs

@BrowncatPrograms (This isn't actually true I just wanted to get rid of m, but then I had an odd number)

caird coinheringaahing

19:05

@pxeger No one wants a jilted lover, but Redwolf especially doesn't :P

Browncat Programs

other letters > y > j > l > m > h > e

Actually y's cool

j usually is as well

It's just a slightly more off-white color, whereas i and k are grayscale

caird coinheringaahing

2/3 of my name is happy to hear that :P

Browncat Programs

m is usually fine, but map puts it next to a, which makes this horrible yellow-red mix

pxeger

@BrowncatPrograms you might enjoy en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsby_(novel)

Browncat Programs

I've heard about it :p

user

19:09

@BrowncatPrograms Hardly, j only mildly tolerates i because j thinks i is an idiot and k has to keep them both in line

l is kinda just oblivious to all that's happening

pxeger

> i is an idiot

3

—user, 2021

Browncat Programs

I like to group the letters into groups, so the main reason I dislike l and m is that they get in the way of nice groups

a-d is the first, then f-g, then i-k, then n-t, then u-v, then w-z

user

Aug 27 at 22:00, by user

i dum

pxeger

@BrowncatPrograms I do that with countries actually. In particular, Andorra and Mexico can go die

and it's in my interest to prevent Korean reunification

user

?!

caird coinheringaahing

19:13

@pxeger Did you place a bet on them not reunifying or something? :P

pxeger

Best and Worst Korea go together in a nice pair, and if they unified then Korea wouldn't have a good pair!

user

@BrowncatPrograms I do a-g, h-l, m-t, and u-z

pxeger

(I decline to comment which is Best and which is Worst Korea)

user

I think we all can infer that :P

Aug 22 at 2:54, by user

I stoopid

Browncat Programs

19:56

britanni.ae          N      1 1 GEN S F
britanni.ae          N      1 1 LOC S F
britanni.ae          N      1 1 DAT S F
britanni.ae          N      1 1 NOM P F

Wtf is wrong with latin

I'm fine with having 300 million endings for nouns and verbs and stuff, but at least don't have duplicates >:|

emanresu A

Everything.

Browncat Programs

I can rule out NOM P F because I know it's not referring to two or more Britains

caird coinheringaahing

Doesn't duplicates make it easier, as you only have to learn one term then apply it everywhere? :P

Browncat Programs

I'm basically 100% guessing on my translation of this latin text we're supposed to be able to understand :p

caird coinheringaahing

I did 7 years of German and 5 years of French, so I can confidently say, yeah, that's about right :P

Browncat Programs

19:59

Our teacher from last year covered an entirely different set of information from what our textbook this year expects us to know

So I'm mostly just smashing words together and changing around their order until it makes sense

emanresu A

pxeger

lmao

that was my first thought too

emanresu A

Bye

Browncat Programs

o/

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing french >> german, ~~change my mind~~ you can't change my mind

caird coinheringaahing

20:01

@pxeger Das ist falsch

Browncat Programs

Wish my school had german :(

caird coinheringaahing

Deutsch ist viel besser als Franzoezisch, aber beide sind besser als Latin oder Spanisch

I've never understood schools teaching latin tbh. Whatever language you learn at school, at least it should be spoken natively by people

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing *Französisch

caird coinheringaahing

I can't type (can't remember how to type) ö on my keyboard, so I used the umlaut -> trailing e rule

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing it's the z that I'm complaining about (should be s), not the oe/ö

@cairdcoinheringaahing I mean, I can see how it might be somewhat useful to know because of its heavy use in some technical disciplines, but I still don't think it's something a school should bother teaching

caird coinheringaahing

20:06

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A: Is it acceptable to omit umlauts and put an extra 'e' instead?

You can do it in every-day conversations by E-Mail or chat. But when writing a somewhat official document, you really should try to get the umlauts right. It's just a question of conformity: You want to use the language, so use it correctly. A whole different problem that will probably come up i...

@pxeger ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ z is basically an s, and I haven't written any German in 2 years :P

Browncat Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing It's basically the only option I had, wish they'd have gone with german instead of latin

pxeger

lol fair enough

^ this is error handling in Python

such fun

the blurred parts are the only meat in the code

caird coinheringaahing

Isn't there a try: ... except: ... else: ... statement that basically does that?

Browncat Programs

Also latin has some fricking weird definitions for the same word:

surrender/give over; send to die; ascribe/attribute; give birth/produce; utter;

give birth and send to die being the same word is somewhat concerning

caird coinheringaahing

Very Gen Z of it :P

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pxeger

20:09

@cairdcoinheringaahing else in this case would have no effect other than adding an extra level of indentation :/

Browncat Programs

Well, it took me two weeks but I've finally finished badly translating a 250 word story in latin

Not knowing anything in the class is ten times worse when everyone around you doesn't actually care and spends the whole class loudly discussing off-topic stuff with each other, and/or has a very annoying laugh and spends class watching (presumably funny) videos

I finally remembered to bring an extension cord to school so I can charge my laptop without having to sit on the floor!

pxeger

20:29

CMQ: how do you read the word "predate"?

To be a predator on, or to pre-date (come before)?

hyper-neutrino

the latter

caird coinheringaahing

Depends on the context

The meaning depends on which syllable is stressed, and I use either/both if there's no context to it

hyper-neutrino

i've never heard the former meaning used before lol; i would use "to prey (on)" for that

caird coinheringaahing

I've heard of it, but can't ever remember actually using it in its intended context :P

I think predated is more common

CMQ: How do you pronounce "nokia", as in the phone brand?

Browncat Programs

@pxeger The latter

@cairdcoinheringaahing no-KEY-uh

caird coinheringaahing

20:39

"No" as in the negative, "no", or "no" as in "noh" with a short "o"?

Browncat Programs

"No" as in "No, this is patrick"

caird coinheringaahing

Huh, I say "NOH-key-uh"

Just heard someone pronounce it "nuh-KAI-uh"

hyper-neutrino

huh, apparently nokia is a finnish corporation. gotta ask someone who speaks finnish how it's supposed to be pronounced then :p

caird coinheringaahing

> UK: /ˈnɒkiə/, US: /ˈnoʊkiə/, Finnish: [ˈnokiɑ].

Anyone speak IPA?

tjjfvi

First one seems like "NAH-key-eh", second seems like "NO-key-eh"

But that's a wild guess

caird coinheringaahing

20:45

Putting it through ipa-reader.xyz, the Uk and US ones sounds like I expected

Apparently the Finnish one is "no-key-AH"

Taco タコス

Quick question; is input required for challenges?

caird coinheringaahing

Not all, no

hyper-neutrino

hello world is a good example of a challenge that doesn't have input xD

Taco タコス

🤣

caird coinheringaahing

kolmogorov-complexity challenges rarely have input

Browncat Programs

20:46

Usually those would be tagged kologorov-complexity, if the output is deterministic

ninja'd

hyper-neutrino

rip spelling

Taco タコス

Okay, so perhaps I'll rephrase. I recently created this puzzle, and since I've worked for several days on it; I'm thinking about making a golfing challenge with it.

caird coinheringaahing

I really want to get kolmo approved as a synonym for kolmogorov-complexity (like koth for king-of-the-hill), so I don't have to type the whole thing out :P

Taco タコス

But now that I think about it; I'd probably supply a 2D array of pre-defined characters as input, to simplify the challenge.

That would probably be received better than no input.

caird coinheringaahing

@Tacoタコス The problem I'd see with that is that it involves words

Taco タコス

20:48

It uses a static file for the requirements

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Q: Neural Processing Lattice Checker

(From document of a game, with some changes) Substrates need support. Therefore, a "-" can't appear under(earlier in input) "α", "β" or "ψ". Given a pattern(six digits, each in 0-8), check if it's valid, aka. is every substrate supported. Shortest code win.

code-golf

Taco タコス

YAWL

hyper-neutrino

i'd recommend giving that as input

Taco タコス

I'm not opposed to that lol

Thanks for the feedback! :D

hyper-neutrino

@NewPosts not a fan of 100% of this challenge being an image

on one hand it shouldn't be too hard to brute force this puzzle on the other hand that feels like cheating even tho i can't think of a great way to go for a solution otherwise xd

caird coinheringaahing

20:51

It's also very underspecified

Taco タコス

It doesn't seem like the image is a required part of the challenge.

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Yeah, @Tacoタコス That's my main concern tbh. There might be some strategies when doing those by hand, but in all likelihood, answers are just oing to brute force it. I don't really see any other approach

Taco タコス

Just contains the required information.

OP could've typed it out

caird coinheringaahing

> Given a pattern(six digits, each in 0-8), check if it's valid, aka. is every substrate supported

I have no idea how 6 digits between 0 and 8 transform to a grid as shown in the image

Is each digit representative of one of the layers shown?

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing oh i meant the puzzling challenge lol

like the existing puzzling.se post itself

caird coinheringaahing

20:54

Ah, I was talking about potentially converting it to a challenge :P

hyper-neutrino

oh well by the time i could brute force it deusovi will have probably solved it by hand anyway :P

oh nvm he already solved it.

Taco タコス

@hyper-neutrino I never understood how Deusovi solves those so quickly.

caird coinheringaahing

Magic :P

Taco タコス

Eidetic memory lol

caird coinheringaahing

Tho I suppose that if you can create a border, you just need to brute force the 4 inner cells

Wouldn't surprise me if he's started with the WARD/DRAW border, then looked for two heteropalindromes that begin/end with A and R

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