The Nineteenth Byte

ASCII-only

00:00

wow charcoal's fizzbuzz is so long, unfortunate

Unrelated String

yeah stax packing sort of combines the problems of no compression and actual compression

user

@hyper-neutrino Oddly enough, Java's higher than Scala and Kotlin on the ELO ratings even though both are advertised as being more concise

Unrelated String

because it's unreadable, but it's also not that much shorter

Redwolf Programs

I'm hoping Ash will be good, it's got a 13 byte FizzBuzz but that's not a very good representation of other challenges

user

FizzBuzz is all that matters

caird coinheringaahing

00:01

@user Java's -> helped shorten it from the monstrosity it used to be

user

Definitely

ASCII-only

does vyxal have a 2 byte hello world

Lyxal

Yeah but it's boring

I submitted the unboring 8 byte

ASCII-only

itd probably be kH or something

Lyxal

That's exactly it

caird coinheringaahing

00:02

That's it exactly :P

hyper-neutrino

exactly, that's it

Redwolf Programs

Ash's unboring Hello, world! is probably between 5 and 7 bytes

Lyxal

it's that exactly

rak1507

it, that exactly is

Redwolf Programs

that, it exactly is

caird coinheringaahing

00:03

And that's enough :)

ASCII-only

charcoal's hello world is even more boring

hyper-neutrino

admire: the english language

rak1507

the english language: admire

Lyxal

@ASCII-only unless it's a built-in constant, then it isn't boring

Redwolf Programs

admire the language: english

admine english: the language

caird coinheringaahing

00:03

Watch: me wish I had RO powers

ASCII-only

> Hello, World!

yea it's very interesting

Lyxal

@ASCII-only more interesting than just a single built-in

ASCII-only

lyxal i have a question

Lyxal

okay ask me the question

ASCII-only

why does vyxal's string compression algorithm change every 5 minutes

Lyxal

00:05

Because I keep screwing up the code page

ASCII-only

smh

be charcoal

Lyxal

Because I keep accidentally having too many characters or too few characters or because I have duplicate characters

ASCII-only

screw up the code page with builtins that are used exclusively for a subset of mathematica...

Lyxal

No as in I muck up the actual implementation

Unrelated String

wait what

@Lyxal wouldn't hurt to stick some asserts into your code

caird coinheringaahing

00:07

@RedwolfPrograms You're closing on Adám :P

Lyxal

@UnrelatedString I did

ASCII-only

"what" as in your jaw is dropping at lyxal's unparalleled skill?

Unrelated String

oh

Lyxal

It has helped

Unrelated String

okay good

rak1507

00:07

@cairdcoinheringaahing he's not 'closing on Adám', he's redwolf programs

ASCII-only

@cairdcoinheringaahing doesn't adam have negative rep per week

caird coinheringaahing

@ASCII-only Talking about the RO election :P

ASCII-only

@rak1507 very astute observation

Lyxal

@UnrelatedString I wish I'd done it sooner

ASCII-only

oh

Redwolf Programs

00:08

Why's everyone being so critical of Vyxal

rak1507

interesting to me that the least active person is the most upvoted

ASCII-only

yea i must have singlehandedly closed the gap between him and adam

user

@RedwolfPrograms We're jealous :P

caird coinheringaahing

@rak1507 Activity != good RO

ASCII-only

i didnt upvote bubbler ~~cuz i dont know who he is~~

user

00:09

@cairdcoinheringaahing As evidenced by me :P

rak1507

@cairdcoinheringaahing true

caird coinheringaahing

It helps, but I'd rather a competent RO who lurks 95% of the time than a bad one whose always talking

hyper-neutrino

I'd say sufficient activity is required, but messages sent != activity, and high activity doesn't mean good RO

rak1507

yeah fair points

okie

This may be advertising, but I am kinda sad that there is no BF on my question

Redwolf Programs

00:10

Is that even possible?

okie

yes

stupidly easy

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino -91 bytes :P

okie

you can even obfuscate it

Redwolf Programs

Oh yeah, forgot

It ignores the ones that are invalid

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing Answers on this site must be at least somewhat competitive; for example, removing whitespace and long variable names in code-golf. As such, I am removing this answer, but feel free to edit your answer to become competitive and flag for undeletion.

wow i have a typo in my template

how many copies of this comment have i sent with the typo

brb recontemplating life

Redwolf Programs

00:12

You mean retemplating life?

tough crowd tonight

ASCII-only

retemplating file?????

can we have an f in chat

it turns out charcoal's string compression is kinda terrible

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Haven't noticed any taking a look through the recently deleted answers

hyper-neutrino

I've definitely used it a couple of times at least otherwise I wouldn't have it saved

fortunately it doesn't seem like the people i've sent this to ever looked at it or decided to fix, or most are probably inactive :P

caird coinheringaahing

Ooh, as bad as Latin Square was, it did contribute towards Socratic :P

okie

Is there unary compiler?

hyper-neutrino

00:28

@okie 16 bytes in Jelly, takes the size of the program and outputs the corresponding BF: BḊs3Ḅị“<+-.,[]>”

caird coinheringaahing

Add an L in front to take input as an actual Unary program

@hyper-neutrino 15 bytes

hyper-neutrino

ah right

Redwolf Programs

Isn't Unary where the input is the number of zeroes called Golunar?

hyper-neutrino

yes

caird coinheringaahing

Yes

hyper-neutrino

00:30

of which Duocentehexaquinquagesimal is a derivative

caird coinheringaahing

> It is thus even further removed from usability.

Golunar is more usable than Unary

Redwolf Programs

I saw that Duocentehexaquinquagesimal had a code page and got excited, then realized it was a quadruple derivative

hyper-neutrino

at least the programs fit in the universe

@RedwolfPrograms not even a new codepage either; it's just 05AB1E's codepage

Redwolf Programs

Yeah, that's where the fourth derivativeness comes from :p

hyper-neutrino

right, i can't count

Redwolf Programs

00:32

No, I just made that up when I realized I miscounted the number of language it was derived from

You gave me a convenient excuse so I took it

hyper-neutrino

._.

Redwolf Programs

It takes 10IPL somewhere between forty and sixty bytes to do a conditional jump :/

caird coinheringaahing

Clearly to make it more derivative, we should add in stax's packing to Duocentehexaquinquagesimal

Redwolf Programs

That's ~~basically~~ what it is

Stax packed unary

Make it a quinary derivative

hyper-neutrino

i will +500 a quine in Duocentehexaquinquagesimal

Redwolf Programs

00:37

Bet

Never wrote a quine before but I guess it's time to learn

Unrelated String

it's pretty easy once you've seen one

caird coinheringaahing

You probably won't use the typical quine methods to write it

Unrelated String

for normalish languages

caird coinheringaahing

You could probably just repeatedly run the program with new inputs until it reaches a fixed point

hyper-neutrino

since duocentehexaquinquagesimal uses an SBCS, is outputting equivalent bytes valid as a quine?

Redwolf Programs

00:39

I think that's what you'd do yeah

ASCII-only

@cairdcoinheringaahing you'd probably be waiting till the heat death of the universe

Neil

@ASCII-only what's wrong with it?

ASCII-only

nothing

just that hello world apparently can't be compressed to below 13 chars

Neil

not in brotli's dictionary?

ASCII-only

guess not

Neil

00:42

(I managed to force TIO's charcoal to mostly accept complex numbers again: codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/222982/17602)

ASCII-only

i don't imagine it would be a very common string tbf

o_o

Lyxal

Hey wanna see something funny I made?

hyper-neutrino

I am curious and want to see, but after seeing will probably wish that I hadn't.

ASCII-only

^

caird coinheringaahing

Seeing terrible things is temporary, getting annoyed at Lyxal is forever :P

Lyxal

00:45

caird coinheringaahing

@Lyxal Make this your profile picture, I beg or dare you, whichever works

ASCII-only

what is this

Neil

@ASCII-only well, they exist separately, if gist.github.com/klauspost/2900d5ba6f9b65d69c8e is to be believed, but I don't know how much that takes up after compression

Lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing SE probably wouldn't let me because of file size

@ASCII-only honestly I don't know

ASCII-only

what manner of creature is in that photo

Lyxal

00:47

That's the final stage of lyxalitis

ASCII-only

@Neil charcoal doesn't do sentence casing

Neil

I think Lyxal's profile picture should be the text "I am Lyxal"

ASCII-only

could probably have done some kind of dictionary compression like jelly

Neil

@ASCII-only oh, you said "hello world", but you meant "Hello, World!"?

caird coinheringaahing

CMP: What should Lyxal's profile picture be?

ASCII-only

00:48

yea

but then again, if you want to make a sentence, why are you using charcoal anywya

Neil

actually Charcoal can't compress "hello world" either

Lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'll change it if y'all give images

hyper-neutrino

i should change my pfp to a bird of some sort

Redwolf Programs

How is unary bijective? Doesn't there have to be 3n+1 bits?

hyper-neutrino

not necessarily

wait actually

rak1507

00:52

@cairdcoinheringaahing a picture of your dog, and your profile picture should be lyxals

it would cause maximum confusion

Redwolf Programs

The official converter 404s :|

hyper-neutrino

unary is bijective to the natural numbers, but Unary is not bijective to BF code

caird coinheringaahing

@rak1507 That'd just encourage these baseless diagnoses of Lyxalitis

ASCII-only

@RedwolfPrograms who said that

Redwolf Programs

The esolangs page says that's how it's converted

ASCII-only

00:54

ah

Redwolf Programs

Each character in BF becomes three bits and a one is tacked on

Why did that remind me of the simpsons "one gun can be trivially converted into five guns" thing

ASCII-only

it's close

Lyxal

Because you're American

Don't y'all measure things in guns per hamburger or something?

Redwolf Programs

No, it's hamburgers per gun for most things

ASCII-only

but the one being tacked on makes it not quite bijective

Redwolf Programs

00:55

Usually we measure frequency in guns per hamburger

And normal stuff with Hb/G

Lyxal

Ah of course

Redwolf Programs

Metric uses fish and chips per knife IIRC

Lyxal

wow I just open the cg homepage forgetting i had my userscript (LFAPOU) still active

I got lucky

caird coinheringaahing

What's the userscript?

Redwolf Programs

haha

rickroll (but only sometimes)

Lyxal

00:58

@cairdcoinheringaahing when opening codegolf.stackexchange.com, there's a chance it replaces everything with rick

caird coinheringaahing

So if(random) { open(rickroll); }?

Lyxal

pretty much

link

hyper-neutrino

@RedwolfPrograms we use beavertails per hockey stick, sometimes maple syrup per hockey stick to measure things like volume

Lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing (gist.github.com/Lyxal/79792919642191e432c8c57fd72d4bd6) if you don't trust me

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Can't forget eh's per minute, eh? :P

Redwolf Programs

00:59

If you still don't trust them, gist.github.com/Lyxal/…

OldSandboxPosts

Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Make an image with the pixels from another (WIP), (untitled)

Lyxal

@OldSandboxPosts hello there

Redwolf Programs

General Kenobi!

I was typing that before you even commented lol

caird coinheringaahing

@Lyxal I might modify the script to respond to those messages only :P

Wezl

wow have I memorized redwolf's pfp?

Redwolf Programs

01:11

Okay a duocentwhateverthefrick quine is going to be difficult

caird coinheringaahing

@Wezl OwO is this Redwolf?

Redwolf Programs

That looks like my GH and Lyxal's GH combined

Lyxal is the foreground obviously, but there's a faint pawprint in the background

Yeah I give up on the duocentfrick quine, my attempts to trivially automate it failed :p

Lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms "frick" - welcome to the spiral

user

02:03

Hello

Lyxal

yes

user

y

(I'd spam this chat with "y"s to pretend I'm the yes command, but that likely be frowned upon)

Redwolf Programs

I just joined the chat right when you said Hello lol

user

@Lyxal How about a picture of Rick Astley? Would that count as rickrolling anyone who sees your profile?

Lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms user never said "Hello lol"

they only said "Hello"

stoopid. ;p

New Sandboxed Posts

02:06

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Getting bystanders' help code-golf array-manipulation mathematics The Bystander Effect is a phenomenon where individuals are less likely to help a victim if other people are present. The idea is that as there are more people around, the individual burden is less, and each individual thinks "someo...

user

@Lyxal y

Lyxal

@user x

user

y

Redwolf Programs

I just got the discussion tag badge!

Lyxal

@user :/ I was hoping you'd reply a then I'd've replied l

Redwolf Programs

02:07

No idea how

user

@Lyxal o

I was pretending to be the yes command

@RedwolfPrograms The Sandbox is tagged discussion, so maybe from that?

CMP: What should I change my pfp to? (nothing unique/creative, please)

Redwolf Programs

No, turns out it's mostly from a few discussions I happened to be a part of, as well as a lot of the blog stuff

Sandbox was a small part of it

Lyxal

just implemented base64 encoding/decoding in thunkable

user

Is that like Scratch?

Lyxal

@user yes but for applications

hyper-neutrino

02:12

@user your identicon, but rotated by 180 degrees (:P)

user

@hyper-neutrino Done, how does it look now? :P

Redwolf Programs

Your identicon, with the hue changed

hyper-neutrino

@user gonna bet you didn't download the picture, rotate it, and upload as a custom picture, like i said to

if you did then 11/10 otherwise 0/10

user

@RedwolfPrograms Nah, photo editing is too hard

Redwolf Programs

Make it...and this is a wild suggestion...GREEN

user

02:14

@hyper-neutrino :(

Redwolf Programs

Or red

user

Solid green? That sounds nice

I think I'll make it solid black, actually, that's one of my favorite colors

hyper-neutrino

don't try to lie to me, i can check if you uploaded :) (though i won't disclose that, even if it doesn't matter in a joke situation like this, just for consistent adherence to rules (probably))

Redwolf Programs

No no no just your identicon but green

user

@RedwolfPrograms I told you, editing photos is too hard. I need an uncreative solution

Redwolf Programs

02:15

Also turns out I did a stupid

hyper-neutrino

if you make it solid black i will start getting you, caird, and lyxal mixed up (only because the chat icons are small on the left side of chat)

Lyxal

okay time to try and attempt to implement AES encryption in thunkable

Redwolf Programs

I found a 43 byte solution to a problem that was possible in like ten

Okay maybe 20

hyper-neutrino

nice :D

user

@hyper-neutrino All the more reason to do it :P

user

02:49

can someone make a userscript to make starboard messages by yourself have yello star

@Lyxal starboard images is the only one wirth having

hyper-neutrino

→ 248 messages moved to the day TNB became hell

user

i'm getting a headache already...

hyper-neutrino

oh god this is breaking chat

Lyxal

You have to admit this is a good userscript to have

It's better than starboard images any day

Redwolf Programs

@user On it!

Lyxal

02:51

it won't give you up, or let you down

user

@Lyxal I thought you made those more discreet.

user

there are now 5 messages here

Lyxal

Oh yeah

user

@Lyxal you aren't putting as much effort in as usual

Redwolf Programs

@Lyxal Gotta be more subtle

user

02:51

didn't you give me a list of rickrolling tips once?

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino Thank you

Redwolf Programs

@user I know, right? Lyxal isn't themselves

user

@RedwolfPrograms too true

Redwolf Programs

@user Ha, and I messed it up with RTL override characters

Lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms What are your opinions on SQL? I personally find it to be quite good.

user

02:52

@Lyxal really? I hate SQL.

Redwolf Programs

@Lyxal Heathen.

]

user

i am frankly quite amazed that the starboard messages seem to have the right username

Redwolf Programs

@RedwolfPrograms Sorry, that was my cat

Lyxal

Blame it on caching

shouldiblamecaching.com

user

@user old messages don't update usernames ever

user

02:53

oh

Redwolf Programs

@Lyxal <whisper>Any tips on impersonating you?</whisper>

user

someone's going to come across this in the chat logs one day

and wonder why user is talking to himself

user

lol

Redwolf Programs

I would love to be a fly on that person's laptop

Lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms <whisper>I talk about JS and SQL, I make jokes, and I ask questions about Ash</whisper>

Redwolf Programs

02:55

@user Wait a minute, y'all are tarnishing my reputation as a sane person

@Lyxal <whisper>Thanks!</whisper>

Lyxal

<whisper>make sure to mention 10IPL</whisper>

Redwolf Programs

So for Ash, should I add combinators like K and I?

hyper-neutrino

@user technically they do if the user account is deleted for being underage (and I think only for that reason)

user

@hyper-neutrino ah okay, got it

Redwolf Programs

Also, who wants to help out on my Minecraft computer?

Lyxal

02:56

@RedwolfPrograms I just want to join for a minute to make sure dennis is in his tank

Redwolf Programs

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/123045/the-day-tnb-became-hell

user

@RedwolfPrograms clearly that is a no, I is redundant, you only need S and K

hyper-neutrino

when an underage account is deleted every single bit of info the account ever had is completely demolished because SE can't have it (COPPA or something like that)

user

what's minecraft

Redwolf Programs

@user Right, but those take bytes, and can be useful

hyper-neutrino

02:57

their content is still tied to an ID and can be merged back into another account if the user rejoins after turning 13

user

@user I honestly don't know

Redwolf Programs

@user idk

There's blocks and you use redstone

user

@RedwolfPrograms you've got a server don't you?

user

@user of course you don't, you're me

Redwolf Programs

@user Yeah

user

02:58

@RedwolfPrograms didn't you and lyxal beat the enderdragon together?

Lyxal

We sure did

Redwolf Programs

@user Uh...yeah, totally. I know exactly what you're talking about

user

didn't hyper make a piano

and set it on fire or something

user

and @Lyxal didn't you build a sign above an island out of netherrack only to not finish it ever?

Lyxal

The piano was after I left I think

Redwolf Programs

02:59

I'm just happy I'm awake during this conversation so I don't have to read the logs.

Lyxal

Must be great living in Texas. It sounds like such an amazing place, but the weather is weird.

Transcript for