The Nineteenth Byte

this somewhat messes with the election thread, lol. if i change it, people might vote for the wrong person thinking it's by the old ID. if i don't change it, it's wrong, and people who click on the chat/site profile links might get confused

Bubbler

True

user

3:16 AM

But the votes are pretty much done anyway

Lyxal

@hyper-neutrino just add their current pfp and username as a note

Bubbler

> I won't change my username and avatar in the near future.

The incident proves why ^ is a pro

nitsua60

Hey all--thinking about answering my first question. Anyone have a minute for a few basic site-questions? Or is there a better place to ask?

Lyxal

Sure!

Lyxal

@Lyxal i cant tell whether you're still in lyxal mode

nitsua60

3:19 AM

It's on codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/223439 (REPAIR THE KEYBOARD)

Lyxal

There's a welcome page for asking, too

user

@Lyxal Lyxal mode?

Lyxal

@user yea like in vim. there's probably a vyxal shill mode somewhere

nitsua60

The answers need to provide a program in a language per line which would return the character. (If I'm reading correctly.) Does it look like it'd be possible to use an interpreted language with an invocation argument?

Lyxal

Oh hang on that's the asking welcome page I linked

caird coinheringaahing

3:21 AM

@nitsua60 As in like a command line flag?

nitsua60

(Specifically: cubically would need an argument when run to create a cube large enough for its faces to possibly sum to the required ascii codes.)

Lyxal

Sure, that'd be fine

nitsua60

@cairdcoinheringaahing I believe so. (Honestly, I'm only half an hour into having met cubically.)

caird coinheringaahing

If it's used for all, just mention "These all use the -A flag" (or whatever)

nitsua60

@cairdcoinheringaahing Cool. Thanks.

caird coinheringaahing

3:23 AM

If different ones use different flags, then go into more detail about which use what, but otherwise you should be fine to use them

Lyxal

or you can add it in the language name in the heading (if it's used for all)

nitsua60

nice tip ^^

Lyxal

And someone could always just clear it up with an edit if it wasn't formatted right

Bubbler

Usually an answer using flags are written with a header like "Cubically + -A, xx bytes"

caird coinheringaahing

@nitsua60 Cubically is a pretty cool language (created by one of the users here, MD XF)

nitsua60

3:24 AM

Yeah, I was more wondering if it'd even be allowed by the challenge.

caird coinheringaahing

Unless it says otherwise, we allow command line flags be default

Lyxal

@Bubbler or just Cubically -A

Bubbler

Yeah, both are fine

caird coinheringaahing

Using them means it's "technically" a different language for the purpose of competing (e.g. "Cubically -3" vs "Cubically -4"), but that has no practical effect on using them

Man, NMetaP is slow :/

hyper-neutrino

post the link yourself. nothing will go wrong, NMP will definitely not post immediately after

nitsua60

3:27 AM

Thanks. Now to try and find short move-sequences to arbitrary 5x5x5 cube-states. I know how I'm spending my weekend =\

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino And it definitely won't get starred to preserve the event for all history :P

Lyxal

@hyper-neutrino pf course not, it's always some weird post about NMetaP gaining sentience

caird coinheringaahing

I would love for someone to post "Is NMetaP sentient?" To meta, post it in chat after an hour and immediately get sniped by NMetaP :P

Lyxal

Being Lyxal isn't as fun as I thought it'd be tbh

hyper-neutrino

@Lyxal i found a guide online for fun things to do when you're pretending to be someone else here :P

caird coinheringaahing

3:30 AM

@Lyxal Is this Lyxal having an existential crisis, or Redwolf pretending to be Lyxal?

Lyxal

I don't even know anymore

Lyxal

who's Lyxal

Lyxal

I'm Lyxal

caird coinheringaahing

For a second there, I thought you were a third Lyxal

Lyxal

Yesn't

Also when Ash

Lyxal

3:32 AM

i should change my pfp too

Razetime

I should become linux tech tips

nitsua60

Can I ask a basic TIO question?

Lyxal

sure

( wtmoo.is/ask )

nitsua60

It's not obvious to me how to provide TIO the invocation argument. Here's a little cubically program. How do I run it having specified a 4x4x4 cube? (Here's the relevant cubically documentation, at "multiple sizes".)

hyper-neutrino

@nitsua60 just put -f in the arguments like this

Lyxal

3:43 AM

ninja'd :( typing on phone is hard

nitsua60

aah... tyvm!

Okay. Now I know how I'm spending my weekend.

hyper-neutrino

lol, have fun :P

Lyxal

@nitsua60 be careful it doesnt become how you're spending your entire year :p

Razetime

now use charcoal

nitsua60

Finding shortest move-sequences to achieve an arbitrary face-state on a 5x5x5 cube, using only a restricted set of the possible moves? Shouldn't be too hard :sarcastic_goblin:

Bubbler

3:51 AM

Hmm, so we don't quite have a consensus on allowing/disallowing mouse interaction in programs, just this

(related to this recent answer which uses copying a char from terminal with a mouse)

Lyxal

@Bubbler in that case id think it defaults to disallowed?

hyper-neutrino

Having a consensus might be nice. I think it's pretty self-explanatory in most cases; in this case, this is obviously not valid, so I've removed it.

Bubbler

@Lyxal I wanted to say that, but I'm reluctant to fight against a user actively arguing they are correct

Lyxal

i think it'd be better to have a more general consensus on whether user input to help a program along should be allowed?

user

@Lyxal im sorry to hear that. perhaps you need to embrace it more

Bubbler

4:00 AM

Actually I can think of one way to measure mouse interaction in bytes: measure the number of bytes sent from the mouse driver to the OS

though it is in no way standardizable

I suspect that it is pretty large enough to discourage use of mouse interaction in submissions though

Lyxal

@Bubbler i still think it should be disallowed completely given that part of the program is now in the form of mouse movement that the user must now do while "running" the program

hyper-neutrino

a language is defined by implementation and as such unless you have an interpreter that can accept mouse commands as bytes somehow and run that as code it doesn't make sense

there might be edge cases where this could be up to intepretation and thus might need a meta discussion but this isn't one of them IMO

Bubbler

@hyper-neutrino That's a good argument I guess

Lyxal

@hyper-neutrino exactly this - this is why we have that weird text scratch thing and those text forms of zachlikes

New Meta Posts

4:46 AM

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Q: Can we disable auto-protection?

Currently, the system protects any challenge that either: Has 3 deleted answers from new users Has multiple answers from new users within a short amount of time We already have a policy that basically says "99.99% of questions here do not need to be protected". In short, we encourage answering ...

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Q: Improving Bounty Reasons

How could the bounty reasons be improved? has been status-review for four years now. I think we should have this discussion again, since nothing really seemed to happen from the last one, and we can take a look into whether we should change anything and status-completed it or if we decide there i...

discussion bounty

A username

@user Stack based would be the easiest to implement. We probably want 10 users for digit literals - Who can you think of?

hyper-neutrino

@NewMetaPosts took you long enough

user

@Ausername we could use people with numbers in their username

A username

True - I'll have a look

user

@Lyxal <whisper>it's more fun when there's an active conversation</whisper>

@Ausername 0, 1, 4, 5 and 9

A username

5:04 AM

@user I can use 79037662 for 7.

@user And maybe NotANumber for NaN?

user

Good idea

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

You are kinda Replacable to Me You are provided with an array \$A\$ of integers, all greater than 0. But what good is an array if the elements do not sum up to the number \$N\$ (also provided as input)... So to change that, you can pick any integer of your choice present in the array and replace ...

A username

5:41 AM

@user [Implemented the new numbers](cgcc-user.surge.sh). It also compiles a program string, but doesn't do anything with it yet. I'll add an interpreter once I've finalised everything to use.

Here

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user

deadcode (i.stack.imgur.com/U6GWq.jpg?s=42&g=1) should be end of execution/exit/halt

unrelated string (lh6.googleusercontent.com/-SaPrY09tpf4/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAGI/…) should be the string delimiter

A username

I have those two already - will add.

hyper-neutrino

wait what do I do lol

user

function delimiter

lambda function

hyper-neutrino

ah

user

5:46 AM

heck you're the inspiration

hyper-neutrino

oh lol :D

now i can't change my pfp :P (not that i was planning to though)

user

That's because λ delimits lambdas in a certain golfing language

A username

Adding HyperNeutrino as well

@user What do you want to be?

user

@Ausername not sure yet

hyper-neutrino

should i keep my dark pfp or go back to light

user

5:49 AM

pxeger (the light bulb) should be regular expressions

because pxeger backwards is regexp

A username

@user Oh yes

That's all I can think of, bye for now.

user

o/

okie

6:06 AM

@user You guys are making a User language?

user

correct!

okie

I gonna use it for golfing if it's finished

That is exciting

hyper-neutrino

have you decided what you're calling it yet?

if not, might i suggest UserScript :P

7

user

7:07 AM

How are we even going to score it?

It's currently a graphical language

And idk how to convert to bytes

okie

7:23 AM

scoring won’t be the matter, just another golf lang

Or else Jelly will also be a serious matter

character is small image. In the other word, we just created a new language both on code and on culture

Lyxal

@user unicode codepoint corresponding to chat user id, obviously

@okie without a scoring method, it won't be a valid submission though

1 byte per pic?

doable but boring

length of User name?

7:40 AM

@hyper-neutrino my vote's for the light one but mostly because it's more readable for me lmao

Unrelated String

7:58 AM

wait

@user I should be the string terminator, but ascii-only should start strings

okie

can i be something okie-ish

Should UserScript have exception

Razetime

codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/101782/80214 udioica be like "Hmm today I will outgolf V in Vim"

user

@UnrelatedString who is this ascii only you speak of?

A username

@user It's compiled to bytes - the graphics are only for show.

Razetime

8:13 AM

I will be the string split function

user

So really we could choose any arbitrary stack language and just make a trivial substitute? Or are we actually innovating a new language?

A username

@okie Define okie-ish. Your choice, although digit literals, function delimiters, string delimiters and regex delimiters have been taken. You could be some useful function like GCD.

user

I have an idea that could be innovative: you can push users onto the stack and then do calculations with them

Razetime

lol

user

And users can give bounties to each other too

A username

8:15 AM

What

How would that even work

Razetime

is a bounty a function parameter?

user

Like user objects

You could match their attributes against stuff too

Each item on the stack is like a 4 register thinf

*thing

A username

Maybe - I have no real idea how to implement it...

user

What language are we using to implement userscript?

A username

Probably Javascript, since that's what I've done so far, and most other languages don't have good image handling.

(HTML/CSS/Javascript actuall

y

)

user

8:19 AM

Then you just create an object with attributes

Does js have classes?

Bubbler

Yes

Lyxal

what in the name of cursed

A username

Ok, will work on it. What attributes should a user have?

user

Reputation, username, number of answers, number of questions

Oh and number of people reached

A username

Also you're Lyxal, so who is @Lyxal?

user

8:22 AM

Check the room owner voting post

here

There's two btw

Lyxal

no way

user

@Lyxal What?

Also, caird should be the add new user command

That would be fitting seeing as how he has a focus on welcoming new users

A username

So... Redwolf is Lyxal, Lyxal is user, and user is Redwolf??? This is confusing me.

Razetime

wait

so you need image manip right

Lyxal

no

Razetime

8:26 AM

pyth has image manip

use pyth

Lyxal

(removed)

user

@Razetime yuck.

Don't use pyth for a web interpreter and esolang

That wouldn't be fun

Well I have to go use Scala for a bit

o/

Lyxal

guess what also has image manip

js (canvas)

Razetime

@RedwolfPrograms codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/122359/… !!!

@Lyxal meh

golfang cooler

Lyxal

japt moment

Razetime

8:32 AM

japt has js eval but no direct canvas commands

ESMin does have canvas commands but nobody uses or maintains it

A username

@user Any point in badges?

user

8:59 AM

Yeah there could be some point

I mean, it could be a tuple set on creation that can't be modified later

A username

9:26 AM

So we have caird as Create user. Who do you think for input and output?

We also need some people for command delimiters / useful large numbers / basic math functions (+-/*%, along with exponent, maybe gcd and hcf, sqrt). I'll see who I can find.

A username

9:42 AM

[codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/96037/math](math) can be Pi.

user

10:45 AM

@Ausername redwolf for input and Lyxal for output

Wasif can be for if statements

6

No points for guessing why

A username

Ok yes.

user

Adnan (codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/34388/Adnan) for addition

A username

Who do you think for comparison (less than / equal to / greater than)

user

Dennis

A username

for accessing a user's rep

user

10:48 AM

- codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/12012/dennis

Dennis for comparison

@Ausername joking

(codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/76162/Jo-King)

Xnor (codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/20260/xnor) for exclusive nor

A username

@user Do you think that's ever going to come up?

user

@Ausername probably not but it wouldn't make sense otherwise

A username

True, but for some of these we're going to need to take arbitrary users that are unrelated to what we're using them for.

Also I added some more constants:

640KB for 640

Antony-256 for 256

math for PI

1000 for 1000.

user

Shouldn't easy as pi be pi?

A username

True, but then what could math be?

user

10:58 AM

Math digraphs (two picture math commands)

chat.stackexchange.com/users/368957/delfad0r --> logical or

A username

Ok. Anyone else?

user

downgoat can be decrement

Potential candidate for numeric literal 8: codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/41042/cyoce

A username

Sure, I just had a user called Eight as 8 but that works much better.

user

night 2 can be n squared (n ** 2)

chance for, well, random number generation

I think that's it for now

A username

For chance, like float between 0 and 1, or integer between two numbers?

user

11:07 AM

@Ausername between two numbers.

Hey what are you going to do?

Some sort of logical comparison?

A username

Username access.

Or are you doing that?

user

No I'm output

(at least I will in a month)

;)

A username

Wait so what's the real user (pretending to be Redwolf) doing then?

rak1507

this is very confusing

user

@rak1507 what is?

@Ausername I don't know yet.

rak1507

11:11 AM

the name changes

user

Aw dang you know.

Ah well

A username

The real user has 7-8k rep. You have 13k .

user

Shhh

caird coinheringaahing

11:30 AM

@user Given the origin of my username, shouldn't I be string compression? :P

user

Tell me how tf you're gonna compress strings with pictures.

A username

I guess caird could be delimiter for compressed string - I can just borrow Arnauld's decompresser.

@user The pictures themselves are just symbolic.

It gets compiled into a string.

user

So which users are letters?

A username

I guess everyone except unrelated string - They can all represent different characters in strings. I can just steal Jelly's string compression, using a similar tactic but with a different base alphabet.

minus for subtraction

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