The Nineteenth Byte

wat

07:00

Why not? I love tea

Learn How To Be Transparent

Yeah

tea is *healthy

Pavel

Not if you accidentally fill your cup halfway with sugar, which I did earlier today.

Learn How To Be Transparent

fun enough

Pavel

Drank it anyway, maybe the first time I successfully got the sugar to dissolve in the tea.

But I don't really want anymore tea today

Learn How To Be Transparent

What is this room about?

Destructible Watermelon

07:06

Wow. Fountain Wish on first level

Kritixi Lithos

@Pavel Ninja'd

Pavel

I saw already ;-;

Qwerp-Derp

are there any Java specific comments vs. C#?

Pavel

Does C# support the C preprocessor?

Kritixi Lithos

You are going to need a lot more than a distance of 10 to include Java

Qwerp-Derp

07:09

That's true

Pavel

You can start on it by doing foo and making some arbitrary java-like edits.

Riker

@Pavel what time zone are you in?

Destructible Watermelon

07:24

do I go for the SDSM or the GDSM!

DJMcMayhem

Is there a way to find out how many answers use a certain language?

Qwerp-Derp

07:48

what's the diff between Software Engineering and SO?

DJMcMayhem

One of them is for problems you encounter at your compiler. The other one is for problems you encounter at your whiteboard.

wat

Now I'm changing my password

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Happy birthday V! code-golf ascii-art string V is a programming language that I wrote so that I could use and extend vim for code-golf challenges. The very first commit was on March 3rd, 2016, meaning that today V turns one year old! Woo-hoo Let's have a challenge to celebrate V's birthday. ...

mınxomaτ

→ 6 messages moved to Trash

wat

TrashCan. The mod only one

DJMcMayhem

07:58

Why not just delete the message?

betseg

If a message is moved, can the first room's owner see the message edit history?

DJMcMayhem

I'm not sure, let's find out

wat

I did, but I'm pretty sure the people can still view it

Crap. Now I'll ahve to change my password. It's not every day that someone gives away their password on a chat room

DJMcMayhem

It's actually really funny IMO

But you should definitely change it

wat

yeah

doing that right now -_-

betseg

08:00

Do you use the same password anywhere else? If you do change those too.

wat

It was a pretty secure password while it lasted

No, I use different passwords

DJMcMayhem

@NewSandboxedPosts On an unrelated note, I really love this challenge. I want to post it right now, but I guess I can wait

wat

This specific password has never been used anywhere except my computer

OK, changed to a different password. Not as secure but this is my home computer behind a NAT, does not need to be

betseg

Let's do "Happy Birthday C" in 2022

wat

OK, basically what happened is I pressed space to deactivate my screensaver and then the screensaver (and the entire gnome-shell) crashed, so I ended up typing it into the Chrome window.

The window manager started back up and then I realized that I did not unlock it yet.

betseg

08:05

Happened a few times to me too.

wat

good thing this is not IRC so you can delete messages

betseg

I use Arch, I have a swapfile, I enabled the resume hook in initramfs, I added resume and resume_offset to kernel parameters, but I can't hibernate into swapfile. Halp.

DJMcMayhem

(I'd use the sandbox but it wouldn't work there)

betseg

My question? :P

mınxomaτ

→ 1 message moved to Trash

For science.

DJMcMayhem

08:12

Thanks

I was curious to see if the "so and so has invited you to the trash" message still shows up for RO's (it does)

And I knew you were on

wat

Apple didn't make the 1st iPhone - Shame on you Apple!

►

@betseg I'm pretty sure you can't hibernate into swapfile. You need a partition.

betseg

@wat according to Arch Wiki, you can wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Power_management/…

wat

Huh

I just have a 16GB swap part

Helka Homba

08:37

I have 4^4 questions ^.^

6

Riker

where's the SEDE query for amount of rep gained if question upvotes were scaled to +10?

can't find it

@HelkaHomba congrats!

wat

Why is my vim swapfile 289.6 GB in size

WTF

Riker

> vim swapfile

wat

Ao that's why my disk is being slow

Riker

wot

wat

08:39

And that's with transparent compression enabled.

@Riker The .<filename>.swp

Riker

@HelkaHomba now go post 5 answers so they can both be exponents of 2

@wat uh

because you've used vim

Helka Homba

@Riker Answers... shudders

Kritixi Lithos

Well, it happened. Calvin posted an answer. The end times are upon us. — Alex A. ♦ Oct 15 '15 at 23:54

wat

now ima delete it and free up 289.6 GB of space

Riker

@HelkaHomba lol

wat

08:42

Fuck snapshots.

Destructible Watermelon

what language to use next for that challenge...

betseg

@wat hmm, I removed all hibernate related things, added back, and it works now. I probably made a typo

wat

I see

Qwerp-Derp

Is it possible to have an interface take a lambda with variadic args and return an int?

Helka Homba

Jan 1 '16 at 22:52, by Doorknob 冰

http://data.stackexchange.com/codegolf/query/418330/calculations-n-stuff

Qwerp-Derp

08:47

So it could take something like this: (a, b) -> a + b as well as (a, b, c, d) -> a * b + c * d

I'm not sure if that's within the reaches of Java

wat

@HelkaHomba is it possible for elendia to adapt tnbde for other chatrooms?

Helka Homba

Best ask him

Riker

it's up to him

@HelkaHomba thanks!

Helka Homba

09:00

There a synonym for "punctuation"? Specifically, printable ASCII punctuation ~!@#$%^&*()_+{}:"...etc

wat

@HelkaHomba non-alphanumeric non-whitespace characters?

Helka Homba

symbol, durr

(talking to myself)

Kritixi Lithos

@HelkaHomba [^\s\w]

Helka Homba

-.-

Albert Renshaw

I have an idea for a quine-like challenge and I'd like some input on it. It's something along the lines of write a program or function that is at least 5 lines of code. Each line must be unique. The function takes an input (assume int 1-5) and should output the code on that line-number. Something along those lines; I see some flaws but it might have potential not sure.

Helka Homba

09:05

Sounds fine

Albert Renshaw

I'm stuck between popularity-contest or code-golf. I like code-golf challenges the most but if I'm forcing the program to be at least 5 lines of code it seems weird also making it a code-golf challenge haha

Helka Homba

Make it golf. Keeping it open as a pop-con would be way harder

Qwerp-Derp

@AlbertRenshaw I'm not sure if this challenge is complex enough to be code-bowling, but if it is then go for that

wat

Make it a popcon, there haven't been many of those in a while.

Qwerp-Derp

I haven't seen a single decent code-bowling challenge in ages

I don't think I've seen one on my time here

Albert Renshaw

09:07

That's my first time hearing of code-bowling. I also wish there were more code-trolling posts

wat

Also, popularity-contest has an objective winning criterion. It's the number of votes.

@AlbertRenshaw That tag was retired

Qwerp-Derp

code-bowling is a contest for the longest code instead of the shortest

Helka Homba

@AlbertRenshaw Code bowling would be great, but it's very hard to make it non-gameable

Albert Renshaw

Okay I'll make it code-golf-pop-con. Your score is number of bytes minus number of upvotes, lowest score winws

just kidding ;P

Helka Homba

@wat pop-cons that could just as easily be code-golf are usually closed. I'd be ok with more general pop-cons but a lot of people aren't

Albert Renshaw

09:09

You know this actually would be an interesting question for code bowling because of the each line must be unique stipulation. But I'm wondering if someone writes a function to simply read their own file, for example, then they could pretty much add infinite lines of code and return any line number

wat

@AlbertRenshaw that's cheating

Albert Renshaw

I need to read up on the rules and loopholes and other things for this site 😅

Qwerp-Derp

@HelkaHomba codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/104017/… This would have made a cool code-bowling challenge

Albert Renshaw

Okay I think this could be a good code-bowling challenge; does anyone see any potential issues with it or possible loop holes I should exclude for some reason?

Qwerp-Derp

@AlbertRenshaw I can't find any problems with people gaming the system (yet)

wat

09:13

TIL that 75% of IKEA catalog "photos" are actually renders

Albert Renshaw

I'll let it simmer for about 20 minutes if I can't think of any objections I'll write up a post for it, sounds fun! Thanks guys

Helka Homba

@AlbertRenshaw I'd bet it's easy in some languages to make arbitrarily long quines (not on separate lines necessarily, but this may be a concern)

Albert Renshaw

I would say the "each line must be unique" ruling could help prevent that but maybe not.. not sure. I wonder if I should further define what "unique" means too. One complex line and then the same complex line with a leading or trailing space might not be considered unique.

for example. Line 1: standard quine program, line 2 //commented out identical quine, line 3, ///commented out idential quine (with 3 backslashes), line 4 with 4 back slashes, etc etc etc. The initial quine program could just add the # of backslashes based on input and the additional lines do nothing since they are commented out and are all unique since they add a back-slash each time

Obviously with code-bowling I'd imagine comments dont count towards byte count anyways, but that was just for the sake of example

-

I'm not too familiar with code-bowling scoring. Could someone not just declare their variables as very long names? Is there a meta post or something showing how that game is scored?

Okay I think I can address your comment @HelkaHomba, I can put a byte-cap on each line. So you can have as many lines as you want but no line can be more than X bytes.

Qwerp-Derp

A line must not contain the same characters as another line of code. So something like:

DerpDerp
Derp

Helka Homba

@AlbertRenshaw They could do that, and that behavior is hard to define, thus hard to ban, thus code-bowling is hard to write questions for

Qwerp-Derp

09:28

is not acceptable, as the first line contains all the characters from the other the other line

Something like this is acceptable, however:

DerpDerp
Derpjkl

Albert Renshaw

@Qwerp-Derp that's a great solution!

But what about something like:

x=3

x=5-2

Qwerp-Derp

That's still not a "catch-all" though, as someone could just do a Caesar cipher or something like that

Albert Renshaw

(I dont know how to type line breaks in here without sending multiple messages)

Helka Homba

shift+
enter

wat

@AlbertRenshaw shift neter

Albert Renshaw

09:30

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

switch(x)
case 1:{print(case 1:+quine)}
case 2:{print(case 2:+quine)}
case 3:{print(case 3:+quine)}
.
.
.

I can see that these lines are not really "unique" but it's hard to define a rule to systematically determine what "unique" means since its semi-subjective

mınxomaτ

Yep

Albert Renshaw

(ಥ﹏ಥ) I'll think about this challenge more later, I like the concept, it may have to be popularity-contest though since there are just too many ways to game it as code-bowling. Goodnight everyone!

mınxomaτ

09:47

@AlbertRenshaw Please don't use these unicode faces here.

wat

@mınxomaτ why not

mınxomaτ

One is fine, just don't make it a habit.

Kritixi Lithos

Linux users, could you help me with testing something?

betseg

10:03

@KritixiLithos sure

Erik the Outgolfer

Yeah (fully updated Ubuntu 16.04).

What do you want to test (if not destructive enough)?

Kritixi Lithos

#/bin/sh
args=($(pwd) $@)
set -- ${args[*]}
echo $@

In a file (with a .sh extension)

And then call it like sh file.sh --blah=`pwd` blah

What do you get?

betseg

tio.run/nexus/…

Kritixi Lithos

Oh of course TIO

So basically no errors. Hmmm

Qwerp-Derp

10:50

lol I made a really sloppy reduce which takes variadic-arg functions:

def reduce(function, values):
    arg_count = function.func_code.co_argcount
    final_values = values

    while len(final_values) >= arg_count:
        temp_value = eval("function(" + ",".join([str(x) for x in final_values[:arg_count]]) + ")")
        final_values = [temp_value] + final_values[arg_count:]

    return final_values

print(reduce(lambda a, b, c: a + b * c, [1, 2, 4, 5, 9]))

I'm hoping to get rid of the eval, but I don't know how

Any tips?

Sp3000

function(*final_values[:arg_count]) ?

Depending on what you want to do, that ",".join looks very suspicious

Qwerp-Derp

@Sp3000 Huh, how does that work?

Sp3000

I'm assuming what you want to do is pass the values of final_values[:arg_count] as arguments to function

Qwerp-Derp

yup

Sp3000

* is a splat operator that unpacks an iterable

So f(*[1,2,3]) == f(1,2,3)

Qwerp-Derp

10:59

So is it the same * in *args?

Sp3000

If you mean like def f(something, *args, **kwargs), the *args there captures any extra arguments

So it's related

Qwerp-Derp

Whoa, that's cool

Doing the reduce function in Python is so much easier than in Java :)

But it's so much slower :(

Sherlock9

@Mego Noted. Probably won't be able to start up again until later this week anyway. Good luck with your in-laws

Ductr Tape

Do answers in <>< need to count the -v flag when input is needed?

betseg

when will the so survey 2017 results come :/

> The Stack Overflow Developer Survey 2017 is now closed! We'll be publishing the results and releasing the public data file in mid-March

oh

New Main Posts

11:46

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Q: Letter, Number, Symbol, Space, Repeat

There are 97 ASCII characters that people encounter on a regular basis. They fall into four categories: Letters (52 total) ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz Numbers or Digits (10 total) 0123456789 Symbols & Punctuation (32 total) !"#$%&'()*+,-./:;<=>?@[\]^_`{|}~ Whitesp...

betseg

@HelkaHomba now you have 3rd fermat prime questions

Helka Homba

Primes?

betseg

257 is the third fermat prime

Helka Homba

Oh :p

Erik the Outgolfer

Now you have (Characters in Jelly's encoding) questions.

There is a comment that I do not know what to do with...

Is this my coffee? — Aaron yesterday

On one side it's based just on a name coincidence, on the other side it's already got 5 stars. Would it be wrong to flag this comment as non-constructive?

betseg

12:21

Remember when the kid that went from point F to point G on the Turkish mathematics book was removed because it reminds the name of Fethullah Gülen? Now an AKP metropolitan mayor claims that TRAPPIST-1's portrayal is engraved on the Grand Mosque's pulpit.

trichoplax

I don't have any context for any of this. I don't know if that's the same for most of the room

betseg

did you know TRAPPIST-1 is engraved on a Turkish mosque 700 years ago?

trichoplax

No, this is news to me

aditsu

@betseg pretty sure it's not

trichoplax

@EriktheOutgolfer One non-constructive flag will have no effect on the comment. The comment will only be removed if more people flag it or if a moderator agrees with the flag. If you feel a comment is non-constructive feel free to flag it as such.

betseg

12:28

@aditsu ik i posted because i found it funny

Erik the Outgolfer

@trichoplax Thanks.

Christopher Peart

Halp

I think a bot is after me

Lesson learned: Do NOT propose to a chatbot

LegionMammal978

12:52

Fun fact: new System.Web.SessionState.HttpSessionStateContainer("",null,null,0,0<1,0,0,0<1).LC‌ID=0; throws a CultureNotFoundException in C#

TuxCopter

Hello

betseg