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20:01
The great Dennis's is "^" at 78 :P
@muddyfish You must rather like that xkcd
9 stars today, I think I beat my record
@TimmyD I think that was my garden
I just looked at @Poke 's, his 2nd most is "@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 mon" because zya kept pinging him @Poke mon for pokemon. lol
CMC: find the longest message that's been posted 10+ times
20:03
CMC: find the longest message that's been posted 10+ times
Only 8 reposts needed now
i wonder what the most linked website is
xkcd
Or codegolf
either codegolf, xkcd, google, imgur
bots make it PPCG.SE
20:04
dang bots ruining our metrics
Is there a Stack Exchange chat for iOS?
Test
So far this November, I have earned more rep than Dennis.
Qustion: How to find my first chat message?
TNBDE useful queries has it
Jun 8 at 13:47, by TuxCrafting
hi
My first chat message
20:13
sounds legit
You talked about my coke experience before I joined the room :p
Fun Fact: Android has no swap.
What do you mean by "swap"?
Sep 7 at 15:08, by Yodle
Aha I can type in here now, hi everyone!
@ETHproductions swap memoru
20:16
That one's my first
Aug 1 at 10:43, by betseg
Hi how yall doin
My first
The kernel frequently force-kills processes when it runs out of RAM. In most operating systems it would happen only in emergencies, but Android instructs that your application should be force-killable without data loss whenever it's not onscreen.
(android)
Aug 15 '15 at 1:51, by ETHproductions
@AlexA. Never seen that before, but I got 1400 on my first try with my basic language knowledge (I haven't actually learned anything but Haxe/AS3 and Javascript, and a little Java). I think I may be addicted too....
How random
how does my kernel have more real memory than total memory!?
20:20
G'night!
I'm gonna sleep
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC It subtracts the imaginary memory from the total memory
2
My first
Oct 8 '15 at 20:14, by TimmyD
Singular they is the use in English of the pronoun they, or its inflected or derivative forms, such as them, their, or themselves, as a "pronoun that is neutral between masculine and feminine", to refer to a single person or an antecedent that is grammatically singular. It typically occurs with an antecedent of indeterminate gender, as in sentences such as: "Everyone returned to their seats." "Somebody left their umbrella in the office. Would they please collect it?" "The patient should be told at the outset how much they will be required to pay." "But a journalist should not be forced to reveal...
dun dun dun dun dun dun!!
At which point everyone was thinking, "I don't know who this TimmyD is, but they sure like Wikipedia"
oiler v is here
i like sash juices
20:22
@Oliver Hi oiler
how ya juic
@Oliver You know, you can change your username
no
i changed it from "MCParadox" to "Oliver" too recently
What's my first message?
@Oliver Oh
What's my first message?
20:23
Someone mentioned nobody had created a golfed version of Java yet, I think if I tried I'd call it Gava (Golfed-Java, pronounced the same)
Mar 31 at 0:02, by CrazyPython
In the badges section, exactly zero people have gotten the "Tenacious" badge (Zero score accepted answers: more than 5 and 20% of total) or the "Unsung Hero" badge (Zero score accepted answers: more than 10 and 25% of total).
Ninja'd
:33299874
Oct 16 at 0:36, by Oliver
hi
@Oliver
???
Real Mem > Total Memory??
20:25
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC majik
@Yodle Ooo, hard-G vs soft-G all over again. :D
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Disk caching?
@betseg I guess, kernel_task likes to do lots of caching
Also: 450% CPU usage when I have 4 cores.
Think BSD-like architecture.
20:27
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Threads?
@betseg each core can only execute one thread
So theoretical max is 400%
Interesting
Remeasure with htop? Instead of builtins?
maybe
I really need to sleep now, cya
import os
for i in range(8):
   os.system('yes')
^ should burn CPU multicore
20:29
noice
now execute it
@TuxCopter not even close to 400% :(
and it's my shell that's using the most CPU, not the subprocesses
only one instance running
I can still type in TNB!
JS optimization tip: if you're doing a lot of data calculation and drawing a <canvas> graph in real time, drop the graph to improve calculation speed by over 10x!
import os
for i in range(8):
   os.system('yes > /dev/null')
   print(i)
@ETHproductions 99% isn't much
^ new version
20:32
@ASCII-only Messed up my "improve speed by" and "decrease slowness by"
@TuxCopter 102.2% so far...
But another tip: Don't update the canvas more than you need to, you can increase speed by maybe 10000% depending on what you're doing
@ETHproductions Drawing in real time?
That must be a pretty complex graph
@TuxCopter forgot to nohup...
@ASCII-only Yeah, the code is run through setInterval
It roughly calculates 2*PI
@ETHproductions Is setInterval not your biggest slowdown then
20:34
@ETHproductions Using circumscribed and inscribed polygons?
@El'endiaStarman By roughly calculating the probability that my Markov chain quine outputs syntactically valid JS
main(){fork();fork();fork();for(;;);}
It turns out at roughly 6.28%
@ETHproductions s/2*PI/Tau/
for(;;){fork();};
20:37
@ASCII-only Nope. It's still calculating 200x per second at nearly 1M total intervals, vs with the canvas was calculating 30x/second at 100K
@TimmyD OOM killer
;}; <-- someone's face when they run that code
@ASCII-only I'm afraid to say tau because I don't know if everyone will know what I'm talking about
i keep forgetting to be extremely pessimistic, so as not to be disappointed by reality
We had a great talk about tau and pi, and decided pi is superior.
20:39
Why's that?
Because.
PS C:\Tools\Scripts\golfing> "pi".Length
2

PS C:\Tools\Scripts\golfing> "tau".Length
3
It's golfier
"pi*2".length > "tau".length
They each have their uses
irb(main):001:0> TAU = Math::PI * 2
=> 6.283185307179586
irb(main):003:0> Math::PI > TAU
=> true
(The line between was not important)
"pi/2".length < "tau/4".length
20:41
Fun fact: 6.3184% of 1000000 is 63184
@betseg clearly 1 is superior
mood = blown
@ETHproductions Yeah. Pi is used by people the world over, and tau is used by mathematicians, pedants, and YouTube personalities who want to feel superior.
e^(i*pi)+e^(i*tau)=0
@TimmyD I was talking about in golfing :P
20:43
@TimmyD and even the mathematicians using tau are a minority. Most of them probably don't want to waste time on something that insignificant.
I was bored so I checked IoS' Twitter
programming IRL https://t.co/yZt75oSWnb
<reccomendation>
I reccomend typora. It's essentially a WYSIWYG markdown editor. No toolbar. Just type. Cursor over italic text -> the '*'s are shown. Supports MathJax and GFM. Includes some awesome looking themes.
</reccomendation>
<recommendation>
Use vim. No really.
</recommendation>
Recommendation for you both: use spell-check. :P
but spell check is cheating
20:49
@TuxCopter bad autocomplete
bad static code analysis
@MitchSchwartz real writers don't use spellcheck
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC 0/10 WYSIWYG is horrible
exactly!
@ASCII-only no, it's actually great
Ugh, can we not get into another yes-vim/no-vim argument?
Autocomplete is simply useless and static code analysis is the task of external programs @noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC
And anyway there are vim plugins for autocomplete.
20:50
^^^
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC I didn't use spell-check and I spelled "recommendation" correctly. Who's the real writer here? :P
@El'endiaStarman xkcd 836 reference
Geobits is the real writer here
@TuxCopter inline red highlights are useful. And suggestions. And effective automatic rename.
Relying on this make you not a real programmer
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Ugh
...I'm thinking about shoving both of you into another room. :P
@TuxCopter ugh, people trying to feel superior. It makes me more productive -> it's better.
@TuxCopter typora.io
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Ugh again
herro
i like sash juices
20:56
@TuxCopter literally catches 99.9% of syntax + compile errors. One keyboard shortcut to reformat code. Install external tools to lint code, lint results viewed inline e.g. as a red squiggly, if you wish.
Coding in a WYSIWYG like this is a horror
@TuxCopter @TuxCopter Why?
PING COMBO
@TuxCopter you can disable inspections, then let it all come to you at once. The dialog is two clicks. Zen mode is available too.
More seriously, code and result seems like a terrible idea
20:59
@TuxCopter result? what result? It's just inline as-you-type linting.
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Q: Print a letter fibonacci

OliverGiven N (2 <= N), print N lines of the letter fibonacci series like this (i.e. N = 5) First, start with a and b: a b Next, add the two lines. a b ab Keep adding the last two lines. a b bab Keep going... a b bab bbab Almost there... a b bab bbab babbbab And we're done. Remmeber, th...

And alt-enter for auto fix.
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC I was speaking about Typora
@TuxCopter oh. Typora isn't for code...
I was speaking about the mixed code-result thing in Typora...
21:01
@TuxCopter actually not that annoying, and this ain't my first md editor
Is everyone making Back to the Future jokes today, or did the Cubs really win the World Series?
can both be true?
@TimmyD As a mathematician, I strongly disagree that tau is used by us. Trying to replace pi with tau has to be one of the most pointless ideas ever.
10
Tau is only used by people who read xkcd too much.
No, those use pau.
21:16
I prefer to make my answers in math homework full statements (transcribed question and answer to LaTeX for readability's sake):
Any idea for a succinct formula for the leading coefficient of a polynomial?
@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ make a challenge out of it
CMC: Create a succinct formula for the leading coefficient of a given polynomial 𝑓 ∈ ℤ[𝑥].
@Dennis Circles are not very respected by mathematicians.

They're pointless.

*ba dumm tss*
There is pointless topology.
(as if topology was anything else)
In today's news: Beloved topologist and code golfer bans flawr.
21:30
link to article
Well it is not that I personally hold any grudge against any points in particular.
@Dennis So you're topologist?
Yup.
And have you been sober when you have chosen that career path?
Hm, that was seven years ago. I probably wasn't.
:)
I honestly have no clue about topology. I did take a topology class once, but that was just the introductory stuff and I never was really that interested in it.
poor douglas adams
he tried so hard
@flawr I didn't really choose topology. A professor from my MSc suggested working with him (for the thesis) on a loosely defined topic (here's a definition, let's see what you can come up with), and I happened to find a few topological properties. My PhD thesis built on those and was 100% topology.
@TuxCopter Saw that earlier today and the top comment is spot on.
@Dennis So what area did that definition come from?
Numerical analysis
21:50
Haha really? I did not expect that=)
gasp
Amazon.com Customer Support has done something!
@Dennis Now I'm curious, what was that definition about?
Instead of kdk.amazon.com giving a "Website Temporarily Unavailable" message, it redirects to a subdomain which gives the message!
Progress!
nice/10
@flawr It's an optimization technique that is only applicable to spaces with certain metric properties. Among other things, I came up with a generalization to non-metrizable topological spaces.
22:09
@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ What is the leading coefficient, isn't it just expression[[0]][[0]] or something
-1
Q: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, Shaggy

infinitezeroThis is my first code golf exercise for you: Your input is two integers n and k. You can assume n => 1 and k >= 1 You have to output all numbers from 1 to n and replace every element that is a multiple of k or that contains k with "Shaggy". you can take the input in any convenient form and outpu...

In case anyone still wanted to work on VSL, link to VSL room
@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ polynomial[[1, 0]] maybe
in Esoteric Programming Languages, Oct 31 at 7:29, by Kritixi Lithos
Processing was the first programming language I learnt (which is based on Java). The second one is Java. Java is my second-best language (even though my knowledge in it is limited). That is why I prefer Java to everything else. I'm even creating an esolang based on Java called JGolf
22:24
'night
Wait why did that ping me
majik
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC iOS is worse
@Yodle Because it's a reply?
@ASCII-only Oh weird, it didn't show my name.
@Yodle Yeah, oneboxed replies can't really show your name
22:30
Wow, GoPro lost over $75 million on revenue this quarter.
any particular reason? just losing popularity?
In doing that, they also lost about $250 million of company value.
@PhiNotPi Betting on new and holiday sales. Also loosing to other companies in the market.
<_< when Alex enters the room
I feel like the average years of programming experience is going down:
in Esoteric Programming Languages, Oct 31 at 9:30, by Kritixi Lithos
I don't know. I have never used implementations
\@AlexA.
22:40
\@Dennis
@PhiNotPi >_>
@AlexA. AYYYYYYYYY YOU'RE BACKKKK <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
Haha I get this reaction every time I come in here these days. It's flattering. :P
oh, is that why you leave us?
We can tone down the enthusiasm if you want
Well, we miss you, birdo.
22:43
I miss you all too. <3
The Nineteenth Family
Did you see we got our design for 10 minutes?
I did not. How did that happen?
Did we regraduate?
Geobits downvoted it, so the change was reverted.
Of course only Geobits and I saw it so people are calling us "trolls" whatever that means
That was two days ago, you know, November 1st.
22:45
But I have photographic proof!!
@Dennis >.<
@DrMcMoylex Some changed his name again...
Geobits: fooling code golfers since 2014.
2
@Dennis Heh. Golfing greetings!
:)
I'd rather see Dr. Green change his avatar. >_>
22:49
I'm keeping mine for a bit longer. I just don't feel like I got enough Halloween
@quartata what design?
@NathanMerrill But I use Java for like a week total ever and had to use interfaces
@AlexA. You live!
@quartata Oh, the Doctor's avatar before Halloween wasn't any better. Feature request: anything that doesn't look like it was drawn by a goat. :P
@mınxomaτ Occasionally :P
22:52
@ASCII-only well most java code can be written without interafces, they just save you a lot of code. You'd basically be redefining a bunch of methods in classes that have the same functionality with slight variations.
@AlexA. Lots of work?
Lots of lots of things
@AshwinGupta That's not what interfaces are for
Speaking of interafces, yesterday I was debugging an SSH connection for 30 minutes until I realized I had a file called autorized_keys.
@ASCII-only ? Yeah it is. You can create abstract methods.
22:54
> interafces
Autorized interafces
2 mins ago, by Ashwin Gupta
@ASCII-only well most java code can be written without interafces, they just save you a lot of code. You'd basically be redefining a bunch of methods in classes that have the same functionality with slight variations.
(That's what reminded me.)
No, they're usually
so you can guarantee that a method will be there
Oh sorry, missed the original misspelling
@ASCII-only exactly what I'm saying.
example: I've got interface called MotorizedThing and abstract method startEngine(). Now I can have class car and Plane implement MotorizedThing.
22:56
@AlexA. So it was a missspeling
Now I can have a different class that starts a motor, it can have either a car or a plane since both are MotorizedThing
Noun: mispelling
  1. Misspelling of misspelling....
^^ :-)
> Crows are now considered to be among the world's most intelligent animals with an encephalization quotient equal to that of many non-human primates.
THEY COME IN MURDERS
22:59
Seems like a bunch of people who had the automatically generated avatars now have them in a different color? See for example marinus who was green and is now purple.
Is there a way to know how many times one has mortarboarded?
@LuisMendo check your epic progress (unless you're Dennis or Martin)
There's a very complex SEDE query that approximates it I think (nvm thinking of something else)
@Maltysen Thanks!
23:00
@AlexA. Gravatar dropped the Gr part.
Make avatars gr again
4
Also I have no idea what you mean by that
I've got a fixed avatar color :D
altho... thinking of a change...
@AlexA. this happened to me as well... thankfully I made copies.
@Maltysen Hm how do I do that? It seems I can only select tag badges to track
Maybe space-theme this time? How about the LEM? Or maybe Soyuz-Apollo mission.
23:02
@AlexA. Well, they're supposed to be Globally Recognized Avatars. I'm not sure how or why, but the default identicons changed radically a few months ago (first only in some resolution, then in all of them), making the unrecognizable.
@Maltysen Found it, nvm
Guavatar: Globally Unrecognizable Avatars
Hey, I'm almost half-epic :)
You're epic in my heart
Yeah, for example, feersum was a purplish gray, now they're blue.
I'm still getting used to that.
23:04
Only three users have the Epic badge? o_O
Yeah, I'd recognize no one if not for the user names now
ITT: people not backing up their avatars
@AlexA. :-D Is that because I overtook you?
@Dennis I was surprised too
Haha unrelated
Does any netscape code remain in Gecko/WebKit/V8?
23:04
@PhiNotPi :O What color did you become?
It totally changed the design... I was like, four green triangles or something?
@AlexA. Guess who DrMcMoylex, ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ, and ASCII-only are. :P
@PhiNotPi Did it require surgery?
@Dennis Well, the first two are obvious but I don't know about ASCII-only.
@AlexA. liver transplant
@AlexA. ASCII-only is somebody.
23:06
@PhiNotPi I wish you a speedy recovery
@AlexA. They're somebody.
dangit ninja'd
@El'endiaStarman 🤔
Are not we all somebody
We're all socks?!
Totally unrelated: Is nobody going to answer this without using the closed formula?
@Dennis We are waiting for you to
Oct 17 at 21:41, by Dennis
@JonathanAllan Maaaybe.
23:10
Can someone give me a date within the next 6 months so I can pretend that it will be the day we get our design?
April 1st
@Dennis lemme try
I enjoy ignoring closed formulas and brute forcing instead
@Dennis Mm guavas
I was recently introduced to the wonders of guava juice
For my life had been empty and now it is complete
23:15
@AlexA. we had a discussion about it in here where someone (was it Dennis?) destroyed my dreams when they told me that most of it is pear juice
@Maltysen I don't remember it, but that does sound like me.
@Maltysen Dennis is filling your head full of pears lies
You were right.
Mar 14 at 3:33, by Dennis
> ingredients: pear juice, guava puree
Mar 14 at 3:34, by Dennis
It can solve the halting problem for all I care. Still not "guava juice".
My personal favorite
23:17
Wow, March 14 was a big day for Dennis and guava
2
I just noticed that disapproval faces look completely different for me in Chrome
I wonder why
I installed a new font but I'm not currently using it
somebody signed up with my username on spotify, and it's not me
@Maltysen What??? D:
@quartata You need this to see what fonts Chrome actually uses. New fonts often confuse it's fallback routines.
23:28
I didn't know a cat could be this patient
Other cats are not.
@mınxomaτ Wooo. That one was furious!
@quartata From a distance I thought your avatar was Pikachu but upon further inspection it looks like olives and mustaches floating in mustard.
That's a novel description.
A scrapped one
The overtraining is real
@Dennis I hadn't even seen the question before, and I gradually golfed my answer into a closed form solution that was isomorphic to the other ones
:/
@Dennis If November keeps going the way it has been for me, I'll have Epic by Dec 10th
@LuisMendo What can I say? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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