The Nineteenth Byte

Look, I don't know if Geobits was lying about seeing it but I most definitely saw it. I even found it in my cache. I'll sign an oath, take a polygraph test, whatever it takes for you guys to believe me

Downgoat

@quartata WAIT YOU FOUND IN CACHE

PLS SHARE PICTURE :3

quartata

12:25 AM

I found some of the assets but not all. I posted the upvote button but there were... naysayers

Look back in the transcript

VTCAKAVSMoACE

I swear I don't know what's going on in my language anymore.

mınxomaτ

@quartata Why is the button asset stored on it's own? Aren't all assets on one SVG for all sites?

VTCAKAVSMoACE

I've got two totally unrelated commands interacting for no apparent reason. .-.

quartata

Yeah they're normally stored on one PNG sprite sheet

This seemed to be different for some reason

Although only the buttons are on a sheet.

Downgoat

@quartata i cannot find?

¬_¬

quartata

12:28 AM

The rest are separate individual images normally

mınxomaτ

@quartata Certainly not a PNG. cdn.sstatic.net/Sites/beta/img/sprites.svg?v=63305114dc86

quartata

@Downgoat It was this morning. Look a little harder

Downgoat

is this a joke

quartata

@mınxomaτ Browser I was using at the time did not support SVG

Downgoat

hey look guys, SE releasaed our design, here's a screenshot of vote button:

quartata

12:30 AM

I assume there was a fallback in place

mınxomaτ

What browser doesn't support SVG?

Downgoat

:O

quartata

Old ones. I have not updated firefox in a long time on this computer and I was using it to test something else

VTCAKAVSMoACE

Obviously our vote buttons will be based on Geobits's image; either you Geobits a post or anti-Geobits the post.

It's only logical.

mınxomaτ

@quartata Old firefox supports SVG just fine.

Downgoat

12:32 AM

@VTCAKAVSMoACE our vote buttons are already geobits and upside-down geobits. I think it's time the goats get a turn

quartata

Firefox 2?

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@Downgoat I Geobits this idea.

Downgoat

;_________;

mınxomaτ

@quartata So you had this computer over 10 years and never updated the browser? I don't believe you.

> Firefox 2 uses version 1.8 of the Gecko layout engine for displaying web pages. The release contained many new features not found in Firefox 1.5, including improved support for Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) and JavaScript 1.7, as well as user interface changes.

Also lies.

quartata

The computer I was on actually only supports Firefox 2; as far as I know there was never a newer IRIX release

mınxomaτ

12:35 AM

So what? Even pre-FF2 supports the basic SVG markup SE uses.

quartata

@mınxomaτ Must have been compiled without it; blame the people who made the tardist I used

TuxCopter

VTCAKAVSMoACE

mınxomaτ

Irix supports at least Firefox 3.0.19

quartata

Wow seriously? I for real did not know that.

mınxomaτ

12:37 AM

I still call BS on FF2 not supporting SVG. Please show me the fallback image you are assuming on any other SE site.

quartata

It takes like 10 minutes to boot up my O2; must I?

Anonymous

Your troll failed, RIP

mınxomaτ

No need, just search the resource. Since you had the cache image, you have to have an idea about the resource path.

TuxCopter

Keyboard fail

mınxomaτ

BTW, this would be our non-beta sprite URL: cdn.sstatic.net/Sites/codegolf/img/sprites.svg?v=63305114dc86

quartata

12:39 AM

The path 404s now. You wouldn't believe me.

mınxomaτ

@quartata Use another site then that has a custom design.

quartata

Well I lasted 8 hours. Good fun. gg

3

mınxomaτ

Our current spritesheet is http://cdn.sstatic.net/Sites/beta/img/sprites.svg?v=63305114dc86. From http://cdn.sstatic.net/Sites/math/img/sprites.svg?v=370a57d8c8f2 for Math.SE, I guess "beta" is changed to the site URL for a final design.

@quartata no re

pls

quartata

The joke is over. You can stop taking it seriously

mınxomaτ

No that last one was a serious comment

That will probably be the actual path.

quartata

12:42 AM

I made the upvote icon in Word. It was actually really hard.

Do I get a +1 for an elaborate tale?

Anonymous

@quartata ಠ_ಠ

mınxomaτ

Not really. That icon was ridiculous to start with.

TuxCopter

No but you get a +1 for the bad upvote icon

quartata

I used a superscript trick to move the pipe up and to the center of the caret

Anonymous

> You can stop taking it seriously [...] It was actually really hard

quartata

12:44 AM

The GIMP probably would have been easier

Anonymous

I guess I have no choice but to name the next iteration Really

quartata

@Mego no pls

TuxCopter

> Really 5 bytes

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

what are you talking about? I found the sprites.xml in my cache

sprites.svg*

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Q: Who's that PRNG?

Given a sequence of 625 32-bit unsigned integers (that is, in the range [0, 2**32)), output which of the following pseudorandom number generators generated the sequence: Linear Congruential Generator Xorshift Mersenne Twister Specifically, the C implementations of these three generators used ...

mınxomaτ

12:54 AM

Aw man. Cluster headaches are really something I could live without. I'm glad I have the mildest form, but recently exceeded the point where non-prescription meds have any effect. That's slightly worrying...

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

see a doctor?

Maltysen

@quartata you should have stuck with the "they must have left it uncompiled because its in-progress" defense

quartata

No one would have ever believed that, pls

The November 1st incident, part 1

11 hours ago, 21 minutes total – 59 messages, 7 users, 5 stars

Bookmarked 3 mins ago by quartata

The November 1st incident, part 2

43 mins ago, 24 minutes total – 76 messages, 7 users, 3 stars

Bookmarked 9 secs ago by quartata

That was great fun. Thanks to all the people who fell for it and took me seriously even if only for a couple minutes.

@Geobits Thanks for playing the supporting role in that great PPCG drama

And now I shall eat

Geobits

Like I said earlier:

6 hours ago, by Geobits

@TuxCopter I would be willing to swear under penalty of perjury that it was not in any way an organized troll.

Anonymous

Yeah Geobits's trolling is much cleverer

Geobits

1:05 AM

Aw, I didn't mean it like that :(

Anonymous

As someone who has seen (and fell for) many clever trolls, I can't give any credit to that one :P

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

Just noticed

Maltysen

@Geobits what's the next auspicious date you're forcasting?

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

web.archive.org has reported small changes in the all.css for this site in the past few months

Anonymous

@Maltysen December 1st, naturally

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

1:07 AM

Most seem to be random elements (not a CSS pro)

Anonymous

SE regularly does CSS tweaks to all sites

Maltysen

@Mego oh, are we literally just doing monthly now?

I thought they were specific dates that Geobits picks out of his ass

Anonymous

12 specific dates. The first of every month.

Maltysen

._.

quartata

@Geobits Sure but you did great improv

Anonymous

1:08 AM

But I think he started saying November 1st a few months prior last year

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

I mean, @DJMcMayhem did originally say Nov 1

Maltysen

@Mego yeah, I remember nov 1st, feb 1st, and april 1st

quartata

He's been saying 1st of October and November since 2014

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

At least we're ~~no longer~~ [basically still] in beta

Geobits

@quartata Since I joined 08 Jan 2014, this checks out :P

quartata

1:12 AM

I think it was a little later than that but yeah you've been trolling us since time began

The Big Geobang

Or maybe The Big (Blown To) Bits

Geobits

Aug 27th and Nov 27th both as well. It's not always the first of anything ;)

DJMcMayhem

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ Yeah, that was totally not me who came up with it. I was just repeating it

Oct 2 '14 at 14:27, by Geobits

In other news, they set the actual graduation date to November 1.

Geobits

I'm looking for the "original", but it's surprisingly hard to find.

Anonymous

Isn't the original message linked in the meme post?

Maltysen

@Geobits does many memes have the link?

ninja'd

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

1:16 AM

CMC (answer-chaining): Find a mention of 1 Nov 2016 for site design that occurred before the previous answer. I'll start:

Oct 7 at 19:59, by DJMcMayhem

Well, we definitely are getting the full design soon. I heard a dev saying something about "November 1"

Anonymous

@quartata You should probably see a doctor

Anonymous

(I'm ashamed it took me 35 minutes to think of that joke)

Geobits

The one linked in memes is from Sep 14 2014, but I thought there was something in August.

quartata

@Mego .....

Gross

Maltysen

@Mego >_<

DJMcMayhem

1:24 AM

Lol

Geobits

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ Even restricted to November of this year, that's fairly easy to beat:

Feb 16 at 16:10, by Geobits

The way I heard it, we're "graduating" March 11, but the design and such will take until November 1.

More specific than usual as well.

They jumped the gun a bit on the graduation part though.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

Well, that was upfront

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

did you ask them that?

Geobits

> Okay Google -> Lumos

quartata

No, that's from Wikimedia Commons.

trichoplax

1:38 AM

@Downgoat Thanks for the reminder :)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@flawr r/upvoteexeggutor

Downgoat

1:53 AM

questoin: what does this even mean

Nathan Merrill

str.isEmpty()

quartata

str != null

Downgoat

doesn't like either of those :/

idk

Nathan Merrill

you should probably do both

Downgoat

this thing is dumb

Nathan Merrill

1:54 AM

str != null && !str.isEmpty()

Downgoat

it requires a very specific string

Nathan Merrill

str.equals("")

Downgoat

ok yeah that works i think

Nathan Merrill

although, if you want to null safe, you should do "".equals(str)

but that reads weird

Geobits

@Downgoat If that's right, then it's wrong. An empty string is definitely a value assigned to it :/

Downgoat

1:59 AM

ik but this lesson is dumb

quartata

I thought they changed the new sounds back in CS:GO??

Oh dear they're still terrible

I can't recognize any sounds. end my suffering

PhiNotPi

2:17 AM

I hope our design comes with a new soundtrack. I'm getting kinda tired of the current one.

xnor

@Dennis your edit looks totally different from what i was thinking of

i need to figure out what it's doing

and see if I can merge

ASCII-only

2:34 AM

@Downgoat this is why C# > java, they provide a method just for that

Downgoat

@ASCII-only that is not good think

ASCII-only

@Downgoat why not

Nathan Merrill

@ASCII-only Java does? "".isEmpty()

ASCII-only

C# has IsNullOrEmpty() IIRC

trichoplax

I saw this in HNQ and thought I might have to sign up to Seasoned Advice to comment, but thankfully the first commenter already said what needed to be:

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Q: Is there any way to bring an egg to its natural state (not boiled) after you cook it?

This is probably a stupid question, but I'm curious now after I opened the refrigerator looking for eggs to make a cake and there was only one and it was cooked. Is there any way to undo that, whether at home or an industrial way?

baking eggs

2

Geobits

2:53 AM

@ASCII-only True, but I can't remember the last time I had to actually check a String for null. That usually indicates a problem elsewhere. Or you're interfacing with terrible third-party code, of course ;)

So it's not like it's a huge burden to not have it.

Anonymous

@trichoplax There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful response

Downgoat

can someone pls halp me i think java is doing a stupid but it's probably me:

        ArrayList<String> except = Arrays.asList(new String[]{
            "Belize", "Cambodge", "Mexique", "Mozambique", "Zaire", "Zimbabwe"
        });

like such simple code

but such bork

Anonymous

Arrays.asList returns a List<?>, not an ArrayList<?>

Downgoat

oh

trichoplax

@Mego Did you see the first comment? That seems like a (slow) way that would work... I agree we don't yet know if there are quicker, more practical ways

Anonymous

3:01 AM

@trichoplax multivax.com/last_question.html

Anonymous

I messed up the quote slightly :/

Nathan Merrill

@trichoplax I'd argue that the egg isn't sufficient. Additional energy (and nutrients) are needed

Geobits

Any other method would require additional energy as well.

Ashwin Gupta

@Downgoat What mego said.. But converting a list -> arraylist is easy enough.

ArrayList<String> arraylist = (ArrayList<String>) list;

Nathan Merrill

@AshwinGupta are you sure that Arrays.asList returns an ArrayList?

trichoplax

3:08 AM

@NathanMerrill Well yes I agree with that. I wasn't suggesting using a chicken in a vacuum :)

Ashwin Gupta

@NathanMerrill no it doesn't it returns list

Nathan Merrill

@AshwinGupta I mean the implementationt

not the interface

because if you just cast it like that, and its not actually an ArrayList, that'll throw an error

Ashwin Gupta

oh. Wait why?

Nathan Merrill

@Downgoat also, this is way easier with Eclipse collections. Lists.mutable.of("Belize",...)

there are lots of classes that can implement List

LinkedList, ArrayList, you can have your own private class you return

but I just looked at the source code, and it does return an ArrayList

  @SafeVarargs
  @SuppressWarnings("varargs")
  public static <T> List<T> asList(T... a) {
      return new ArrayList<>(a);
  }

Ashwin Gupta

@NathanMerrill wow you are right. I learned something new today... Just tried it.

I suppose you could manually iterate through the list and place elements into arraylist

trichoplax

3:15 AM

@Mego The quote was only a word out from the later instances. I just didn't recognise it because it's been such a long time since I last read that story. It's very apt :)

Ashwin Gupta

Okay okay this still works though:

List<String> l = Arrays.asList(new String[]{"foo", "bar"});
ArrayList<String> ar = new ArrayList<String>(l);

Geobits

Just wrap the function in an ArrayList constructor. No reason for an intermediate List.

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill That's not guaranteed, though. For best compatibility, assume it doesn't.

Anonymous

But yeah, new ArrayList<String>(Arrays.asList(new String[]{"foo", "bar"})) is the typical way of doing it

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3:39 AM

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Q: Codegolf rules and boundaries

So last time, I was hanging on codegolf, and came across the question Print the digital root, where one guy replied here with a one-byte code. Of course, it takes advantages of the built-in and standard functions of the language, so it seems okay to end up with very short codes, in Jelly, Pyth, ...

discussion code-golf rules

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Taxicab in San Fransisco code-golf path-finding grid You are a taxicab driver in San Francisco. As is typical of taxicab drivers you are navigating a grid where the only valid directions you can move are the left right up and down. Your goal is to find all the shortest paths from your origin at...

Helka Homba

bah

Anonymous

I think so

Anonymous

I'm colorblind, so I'm not the best judge

Helka Homba

Should I try my hand at making donuts or croissants?

trichoplax

3:50 AM

Definitely donuts

Anonymous

Donuts > croissants

PhiNotPi

doissants?

Anonymous

They can be a bit tricky though

Anonymous

In my experience, donuts are more sensitive to ingredient measurement errors than other baked goods. If you use too much or too little of any ingredient, you will be able to taste the difference.

trichoplax

If you want something vaguely similar to the layers of a croissant, but made of doughnut, you could try plaited doughnuts, like koeksisters

Geobits

3:54 AM

@Mego True, but it's also not that easy to mess them up so badly they aren't still tasty :D

Anonymous

@Geobits Very true :)

Anonymous

On the other end of the spectrum is pizza. You can do basically anything to pizza and it will still turn out good. Even bad pizza is still good pizza.

Geobits

Haha, yeah. Fails to rise? still good. Crunchy? Good. Foldable? Good.

Helka Homba

@Mego I make pizza all the time :D But currently have no cheese :(

Geobits

Maybe raw dough would be bad on pizza, but that's about it.

trichoplax

4:00 AM

Use marshmallow instead and make it a dessert pizza

Helka Homba

My cheese/marshmallow drawer is empty

Geobits

For shame

trichoplax

Prevention is better than cure: don't run out of cheese. Ever

In an emergency you can use plenty of sauce and fold into a calzone without cheese

Geobits

Calzone without cheese? That's gotta be some sort of sin.

trichoplax

Perhaps I should have made that "dire emergency"

Helka Homba

4:04 AM

@trichoplax Makes me think of those attempts to grow beef in a lab with no cow. I wouldn't mind eating cheese made like that but meat is weirder somehow.

trichoplax

I wasn't thinking that extreme. Just buying enough to not run out...

Helka Homba

But then it goes bad. Someday there will exist an instant 3D beef/cheese/marshmallow printer that will solve such problems.

Geobits

Keeping a herd of goats near the kitchen solves it too, once you learn to make cheese.

(cows take up too much room for indoors)

trichoplax

Vegan cheese is made from oil and water, and a little soya, which all keep well.

Geobits

Vegan cheese isn't cheese though :P

trichoplax

4:07 AM

Cows also make inferior cheese

Helka Homba

@Geobits Can the goats stack 2 or 3 high? That will save space.

Anonymous

@HelkaHomba I eagerly await such a world

trichoplax

@Geobits Goes great with facon...

Geobits

@HelkaHomba I know you can get two to a stack if one's upside down. It's easier to balance that way.

Anonymous

@trichoplax Indeed; the nearest trash receptacle readily accepts both

trichoplax

4:09 AM

I'm usually the nearest trash receptacle

Geobits

Even fake butter tastes bad to me, so fake cheese never had a chance.

Helka Homba

@trichoplax It's on the way indiegogo.com/projects/real-vegan-cheese#

Or rather, there's an indiegogo about it so it must be a brilliant new product ready any day now /s

Geobits

@HelkaHomba That $5M reward though.

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

@downgoat should try it

Anonymous

@HelkaHomba Forgive me if I'm not holding my breath

Geobits

4:15 AM

Just watched Mel Gibson on the late show. Wow, he's even crazier than I remember o_O

He has the mannerisms you expect to see in an insane asylum in a badly acted movie

trichoplax

> $50
USD
Curd Nerd Jewelry
Show your love for the Cheese, by sporting a pendant with a 3D printed model of chymosin, the enzyme in rennet that makes all the magic happen!

@HelkaHomba That's really interesting but really odd...

Dmitry Kudriavtsev

someone donate $5 million and get them to stop please

Dennis

4:49 AM

w00t I got swag!

Helka Homba

@Dennis A hat? A shirt? A unicorn?

Dennis

Helka Homba

For being a mod or for being a high rep user on a beta site? ;D

Dennis

@HelkaHomba I got my mod swag some time ago (shortly after graduation). This was for reaching 100k.

DJMcMayhem

Oh I didn't realize they did that for every site

Dennis

5:01 AM

Neither did I. It was a nice surprise. :)

DJMcMayhem

I got ELL swag not that long ago

Dennis

I also got some from Crypto when they graduated and for participating in an election on SO.

Helka Homba

@DJMcMayhem For only 4k? When we officially graduate I'll expect a windfall...

Destructible Watermelon

Hey!

DJMcMayhem

@HelkaHomba Lol. No, it was for being in the first two pages of users

Which you clearly have

Dennis

5:06 AM

I only have 1k on Crypto, but it was enough to be considered one of their top users at the moment.

Helka Homba

Ok. Now just another 5 years to true graduation :|

Dennis

A custom design will be nice, but there are other things I'm really waiting for.

Jonathan Allan

@Dennis nice

Destructible Watermelon

@DJMcMayhem How are you going with Turtlèd?

DJMcMayhem

5:23 AM

@DestructibleWatermelon haha, the challenge I was going to answer ended up being harder than I thought.

Destructible Watermelon

Which one?

I will help

DJMcMayhem

I'll probably post it (or something else even) eventually, but I wouldn't hold your breath

Destructible Watermelon

Please show me which question

I want to help

50 rep bounty will be given when it is done probably

DJMcMayhem

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Q: Draw a ladder and slide

Your task is to create a program or function that takes, as input, a natural number (n) between 1 and 25 (inclusive) and prints an isometric representation of a slide and ladder with n number of rungs. Ladder and slide specifications The ladder is always oriented on the left and the slide on th...

code-golf ascii-art

I appreciate the offer for help, but I'm extremely tired right now... :/

On a side note, I'm very proud of that V answer

Destructible Watermelon

5:38 AM

People arguing the halting problem in youtube comments XD

> +Luiz Sarchis yes exactly, this video simply builds a machine that fails, out of a machine that never fails, and claims that is proof the original machine can't exist. that's exactly the same as taking a toaster, building a machine that can't make toast out of it, then claiming toasters can't exist. it's fundamentally stupid

> They'll do everything else besides this. We don't need this.

Somebody doesn't understand what mathematics is ;p

> What's the point of machine N? It's just there to ruin everyone's day.