The Nineteenth Byte

TimmyD

20:00

4-1/2 minute dupe closure, nice

Conor O'Brien

bows

Downgoat

A surfboard it is!

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@TimmyD @Zgarb Fixed

Whoops, wrong person @zyabin101

Sorry @Zgarb

Downgoat

@βετѧΛєҫαγ Justin Gatlin?

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

Huh?

I don't speak goat

Downgoat

20:14

Justin Gatlin

Justin Gatlin (born February 10, 1982) is an American sprinter, who is an Olympic gold medalist in the 100-meter dash. His 100m personal best is 9.74 seconds. He is a twice World indoor champion in the 60-meter dash. In 2001, he incurred a two-year ban from Athletics for testing positive for a banned substance; the ban was later reduced to one year on appeal. In 2006, he incurred a four-year ban from track and field for testing positive for a banned substance, with this sanction erasing his then-world-record time of 9.77s in the 100m. Gatlin began competing again in August 2010, soon after his...

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

Ohh

Dennis

OK, TIO just got a donate button that appears to the right of the usual buttons and leads to a donation page. Right now, only Bitcoins are supported.

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zyabin101

@Dennis Add it to the language index also?

Dennis

Thoughts on the matter are welcome.

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

@Dennis Is TIO your site?

Dennis

20:17

Yes.

Downgoat

._________. I crashed node

@Quill halp node is borked:

<--- Last few GCs --->

   97664 ms: Scavenge 644.9 (682.5) -> 643.9 (682.5) MB, 0.0 / 0 ms [allocation failure].
   97668 ms: Scavenge 644.9 (682.5) -> 643.9 (682.5) MB, 0.0 / 0 ms [allocation failure].
   97671 ms: Scavenge 644.9 (682.5) -> 643.9 (682.5) MB, 0.0 / 0 ms [allocation failure].
   97674 ms: Scavenge 644.9 (682.5) -> 643.9 (682.5) MB, 0.0 / 0 ms [allocation failure].
   97678 ms: Scavenge 644.9 (682.5) -> 643.9 (682.5) MB, 0.0 / 0 ms [allocation failure].


<--- JS stacktrace --->

zyabin101

Ohh, sorry Dennis, forgot that even a zero edit pings... >_>

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@Dennis Cool! I'll probably donate some (though not until later). Remind me, what's the monthly cost?

Dennis

@zyabin101 Hm, it looks kinda out of place there. I don't want it to be intrusive, and it blends in rather nicely with the other buttons. Also, someone who only saw the index is unlikely to make a donation...

zyabin101

Then add it as a link in the end of the lang index itself, as a smaller link?

Dennis

20:21

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan The current box costs only 5 dollars a month, but I'd like to get a better one. With doubled cost, there comes doubled RAM, and RAM is definitely the bottleneck right now.

Downgoat

@Dennis i have a friend who's a nigerian prince. he has lots of money to donate but doesnt have bitcoin account. pls share bank details and ssn so he can transfer funds

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Dennis

6 dollars. Forgot off-site backups.

@Downgoat Joke's on you. I don't have an SSN.

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

Wouldn't PayPal be more appropriate? Bitcoin seems a bit niche

mınxomaτ

@βετѧΛєҫαγ BTC is way more accessible than PayPal as it doesn't depend on one platform.

Dennis

I'm also not sure if that would require some paperwork.

And PayPal takes a fee, although it's still a lot less than those crowdfunding sites.

Downgoat

20:23

@Quill halp, how to fix memory leak in node

mınxomaτ

You can use Paypal to directly transfer BTC at every single trading site. I e.g. use bitpanda.com for international payments.

zyabin101

@Dennis how the idea of putting a small link in the end of the lang index would look like:

Dennis

I'll think about it.

@mınxomaτ That looks nice, but the EUR 25,- minimum...

mınxomaτ

@Dennis Well, obliviously you'd need you own wallet for smaller amounts.

E.g. most German markets connect via API to the major banks and allow for smaller amounts to be traded.

A good idea would be to visit the markets list at bitcoinity.org/markets, select your currency and then choose the market you like.

PhiNotPi

Nobody's made PPCGcoin yet, right?

zyabin101

20:34

@PhiNotPi Nope.

Dennis

There are a lot of weird coins, but that one's missing.

Conor O'Brien

@Dennis If you do end up making shorter URLs, please also retain the feature for shortened permalink versions of the code

(i.e. what is already in place)

zyabin101

PPCGcoin could be a coin based on your code golf progress.

Dennis

@ConorO'Brien I won't break old permalinks. No worries.

Conor O'Brien

okay :)

Dennis

20:35

@Adnan :)

Adnan

:)

zyabin101

You might gain a PPCGcoin each time you golf a byte.

Conor O'Brien

also, the bitcoin address's height is a tad too small, and has a scroll width (firefox, latest version)

zyabin101

However, a grant of PPCGcoins would be reviewed and verified first.

Conor O'Brien

And, it's resizable ._.

PhiNotPi

20:37

There's probably an easy way for us to make our own coin.

zyabin101

@PhiNotPi Crowdfund for some coin making company to make it for us? XD

Chat mini-challenge: Convert integer sets from RANDOM.ORG into a python dictionary.

Test case: Set 1: 2, 7, 14, 18, 20 ==> {1: [2, 7, 14, 18, 20]}

Another test case: Set 2: 3, 5, 11, 12, 19 ==> {2: [3, 5, 11, 12, 19]}

PhiNotPi

I've watched Primer twice over the past two days. Or once, depending on your perspective.

zyabin101

Okay, so no one answered the CMC.

PhiNotPi

Now I'm trying to figure out which of the many movie explanations is most coherent. (edit: nb4 xkcd)

zyabin101

That means only one thing: I have to graduate this challenge to an actual challenge

if people consent

And that might be a chance to get someone's attention on me.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

20:47

@zyabin101 Wys$]|ys$}

Conor O'Brien

@zyabin101 it takes time to do a challenge. we're not some weird machines that spurt golfed code out of our earlobes

miles

Wow Primer was 12 years ago, I watched it twice in 05 or 06

zyabin101

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan The Set is necessary in the input.

miles

@PhiNotPi have you heard of qntm? qntm.org/primer

flawr

ecodibergamo.it/stories/hinterland/…

zyabin101

20:48

That might be a reason that the answer is invalid: v.tryitonline.net/…

flawr

PhiNotPi

@miles yes, I listened to his companion audio track.

flawr

plane-didnt-want-to-brake

brake-not-break

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@flawr "The plane that thought it was a car"

Dennis

@ConorO'Brien I made a few changes. Did it improve anything? I can't reproduce the size issue locally.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

20:52

@zyabin101 v.tryitonline.net/…

Conor O'Brien

@Dennis try changing the height from 2vh to 1.2em

zyabin101

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Almost valid: { 1: contains a space between { and 1:.

βετѧ Λєҫαγ

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Doesn't it have to be an actual dictionary, not a string?

Conor O'Brien

@zyabin101 ? it's still a valid python dictionary

TimmyD

@ConorO'Brien Well, Dennis might be.

Conor O'Brien

20:54

this is true

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

^^^

Also v.tryitonline.net/…

Dennis

@ConorO'Brien Why on Earth did I use vh?

Conor O'Brien

I have no idea :/

TimmyD

@Dennis very height. much code. wow.

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Conor O'Brien

x=>(a=x.split(/[:,]\s*/).map(e=>i++?e:"{"+e.slice(4)+":[",i=0),a.shift()+a+"]}")

for a valid python dictionary

and this for the one you want:

x=>(a=x.split(/[:,]\s*/).map(e=>i++?e:"{"+e.slice(4)+": [",i=0),a.shift()+a.join`, `+"]}")

zyabin101

20:57

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Congrats! It's valid!

bpaste.net/raw/e080b283a6ca

Conor O'Brien

Dennis

Hm, I need to upgrade my PayPal account to business to accept donations. I'm not sure what the implications would be...

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Actually, this is a byte shorter. v.tryitonline.net/…

zyabin101

bpaste.net/raw/e441c3d0e954

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

hey, There has been some talk as to whether or not this is considered on topic.

http://meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/9769/46918

If anyone would be willing to speak as to whether it is a valid challenge let me know

rip one boxing

TùxCräftîñg

21:06

Baco

On phonr

Halp i have -5 user was removed in my rrp tab

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

This is one byte shorter still: v.tryitonline.net/…

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@PhiNotPi ._.

please don't remind me of the confusion

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@TùxCräftîñg it means someone who upvoted you before got deleted. Nothing you can do.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@PhiNotPi have you seen this? qntm.org/primer

TùxCräftîñg

Kthx

miles

21:10

qntm ftw

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Oh man, that's a good movie. I should watch it again.

Conor O'Brien

PANCAKES

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

(removed)

zyabin101

bpaste.net/show/1306de02edaf

TùxCräftîñg

(Removed?)

zyabin101

21:15

Okay ðen, stop before it becomes spam?

Conor O'Brien

"ðen"?

PhiNotPi

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ yes

TùxCräftîñg

^^

zyabin101

@ConorO'Brien "then".

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Isn't that letter named "thorn"?

Conor O'Brien

21:16

@zyabin101 ... isn't that en eth, not a thorn?

PhiNotPi

(Although I'm not sure if the reposting is intentional or not... I missed all of the removed messages)

zyabin101

@ConorO'Brien Yup.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Dang it. What's a thorn then?

Conor O'Brien

@zyabin101 I'm not (greek|russian|whatever)

Þ, þ

^ thorns

TùxCräftîñg

A obscurr icelandic letter afaik

And yts thorn

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

21:18

Oh, duh. I should have known that.

TùxCräftîñg

Oh nvm with the mobile font rn look like m

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@TùxCräftîñg I think you mean "Icelandic"

TùxCräftîñg

Yeah

Conor O'Brien

@TùxCräftîñg I'm Irish ಠ_ಠ

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

I'm in Iceland right now. It's beautiful.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

21:19

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Maximum compression There have been multiple challenges about compressing an image down to a fixed size. However, can you compress an image of an arbitrary size to another arbitrary size. Your job is to provide two programs of any length in the programming language of your choosing. One prog...

anyone please?

some feedback

Martin Ender

@TùxCräftîñg it's actually not all that obscure in Iceland ;)

Adnan

@RohanJhunjhunwala You have chosen a difficult type of challenge to write in

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

So what letter is this: "Đ"?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Yeah, but good challenges are good

Conor O'Brien

capital eth

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

21:22

And this: "Æ"?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

wow thats a tautolgy

El'endia Starman

Alright, language enthusiasts in here (@Doorknob and @HelkaHomba at least), check this out: youtube.com/watch?v=bxARj07jFp0

Conor O'Brien

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan ae grapheme?

El'endia Starman

This actually made me wonder if this concept (synthesis of words from morphemes) could be worked into a programming language.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

what I ment was, if you do succeed many pop contests turn out amazing. I.E high risk high reward @Adnan

Conor O'Brien

21:23

aesh or ash or something

TùxCräftîñg

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan capital eth

Conor O'Brien

@TùxCräftîñg ninja'd

TùxCräftîñg

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan a ligature

Conor O'Brien

@TùxCräftîñg ninja'd

:3

New Main Posts

MY TEA'S GONE COLD I'M WONDERING WHY I GOT OUT OF BED AT ALL

TùxCräftîñg

21:24

»_»

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Quill make tio.ppcg.lol redirect to TIO? (cc @Dennis)

Conor O'Brien

@NewMainPosts the mod hammer strikes again

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

lol already closed

Dennis

I have issues accessing Google. I tried to google the problem, but it didn't help.

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Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@NewMainPosts @Dennis 11 chat post?

Conor O'Brien

21:24

> Ps: Brain Fuck is a language hard and crazy.

-.-

Adnan

@RohanJhunjhunwala You might wanna read this.

They are hard to write imo

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@ConorO'Brien I think it's a distinct letter. Idk though

Conor O'Brien

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan read down four messages

or three

Releasing Helium Nuclei

do you remember i said i3 was going crazy

TùxCräftîñg

Yes

Releasing Helium Nuclei

21:26

solution: numlock

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

First result haha: github.com/aeshell/aesh

Ah here we go: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Æ;

miles

CMC: compute oeis.org/A000004

Martin Ender

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan @ConorO'Brien it's a distinct letter and it's pronounced "eye" (both the letter on its own as well as when its used in a word)

Conor O'Brien

@MartinEnder oh, cool. In German? or in all cases

Martin Ender

in Icelandic

German doesn't have it

Conor O'Brien

21:30

sorry, I don't know much german or icelandic :p

TùxCräftîñg

@miles python lambda n:0

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@MartinEnder do you speak icelandic then?

Martin Ender

not really, but I took classes for one and a half years or so.

Conor O'Brien

@miles 0, jolf

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

kk

miles

21:32

oh my, how is it so short

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@miles FOG, 1 byte, 0

@miles idk iz majik

Conor O'Brien

n=>0, javascript; 0:, J

Martin Ender

@miles Retina, 1 byte

Conor O'Brien

->{0}, ruby

Releasing Helium Nuclei

C: main(){for(;;)puts("0");} Emojicode: 🏁🍇🍊▶️2 1🍇😀🔤0🔤🍉🍉 Brainfuck: +++++++[>+++++++<-]-[.]

Conor O'Brien

21:34

Cheddar, ->0

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

Mathematica: idk but zero has to be a builtin

Martin Ender

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ no, but 0&

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

lol

Releasing Helium Nuclei

@ReleasingHeliumNuclei oops +++++++[>+++++++<-]>-[.]

Martin Ender

well I personally think the Retina solution is the best. all the others are way too predictable ;)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

21:37

how does the retina one work?

J*fuck, a lot of bytes

Martin Ender

it just tries to match a 7 and doesn't find one. you could use pretty much any other character instead

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

paste.ee/r/5yUYF

@MartinEnder okay, that's what I thought

wait

@MartinEnder doesn't work for test case 7

Martin Ender

oh damn, I assumed empty input

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yup

Martin Ender

gotta make it some random letter then

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

21:39

yep

Releasing Helium Nuclei

@MartinEnder but...it only prints the first one. what about others?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

?

it's not infinite

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@MartinEnder cool, thanks! I know almost nothing about Icelandic... how do your pronounce "Ö"?

Martin Ender

retina.tryitonline.net/#code=Tw&input=

Releasing Helium Nuclei

@miles this is kinda infinite

Martin Ender

21:39

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan there's not really an equivalent in English

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@ReleasingHeliumNuclei no? just print 0 no matter what the input is

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@MartinEnder What's the closest?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

a(n) = 0 doesn't mean while 1:print 0

Martin Ender

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan it's a bit similar to the vowel in "burn" in British English (where you don't pronounce the "r" at all)... but with the lips a bit more rounded

Releasing Helium Nuclei

oh sry 😊🔫

flawr

21:42

Anyone here familiar with eisenstein integers?

Releasing Helium Nuclei

lemme fix my other programs: C: main(){puts("0");} Emojicode: 🏁🍇😀🔤0🔤🍉 Brainfuck: +++++++[>+++++++<-]>-.

Martin Ender

@flawr this is all I know about them

flawr

Challenge idea: Given a complex number, "round" to the closest eisenstein integer.

Martin Ender

just the nearest neighbour by Euclidean distance?

flawr

But I'm not sure whether to restrict compley number to gaussian integers

@MartinEnder Exactly.

Martin Ender

21:46

how do you break ties?

flawr

I don't.

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Martin Ender

:/

@flawr sounds more fun with Gaussian integers actually

flawr

The idea was in case of a tie, any of the closest can be returned.

Luis Mendo

User was removed Does anyone have an idea who?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Aww... user was removed. ;_;

flawr

21:48

@MartinEnder Hm I thought so, but then I think gaussian integer -> eisenstein integer is more interesting than the other way round, right?

Luis Mendo

Haha

I was saying the same

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

You ninja'd me

Martin Ender

@flawr yes

flawr

Now I need a catchy title

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@LuisMendo How much did you lose? I only lost ten, so I'm not heartbroken.

Luis Mendo

21:50

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Me just 5

flawr

@LuisMendo I hope you don't miss those 5 rep too much. If you do, just let me know and you get a pity upvote.

Luis Mendo

@flawr :-D

It may have been agawa001. Checking

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

hahahahahha

0

A: Produce the number 2014 without any numbers in your source code

Morse **code** ..--- ----- .---- ....-

flawr

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ That is a really cool idea, but probably not valid?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yup

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

21:53

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ not sure if really clever or invalid. -_-

Luis Mendo

I think it was Agawa001. He's not in PPCG anymore

stackexchange.com/users/5785241/agawa001?tab=accounts

Funny how so many people write their age in their profile. Do they keep updating it?

flawr

Forever young.

Luis Mendo

Hahaha. Nice! That song is in my head now

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

10/10

I know, but someone use Latex/HTML/css in some golf. I could use Morse I think. — user111444 39 secs ago

I think he does have a point.

Luis Mendo

Does Morse add numbers or detect primality?

Adnan

21:55

@LuisMendo His account still exists

delete me here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN52DEbshFs

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Geobits

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Points and dashes >_>

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

....

Luis Mendo

@Adnan Oh! So why does it now show in my link above? Weird

Dennis

delete me here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN52DEbshFs

742 2 15

code-golf math number number-theory string permutations arithmetic

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

hidden community

@Dennis ninja'ed

Helka Homba

21:56

@El'endiaStarman Inter-est-ing (in-ter-est-ing, interest-ing?)

Dennis

Eh, ninja'd. And meta ninja'd.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ @Dennis mod opinion: valid or not?

Luis Mendo

@Dennis Can you mods see which users have left?

Adnan

@LuisMendo Huh, what do you mean?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@LuisMendo does HTML?

Luis Mendo

21:56

@Adnan He doesn't appear here

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I don't think so, either :-)

Maybe it's name-sentitive., not user sensitive

Dennis

@LuisMendo Not directly. But given the user id, we can pull some URL tricks.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I think it's valid. But that's just me. Do we have a consensus on not TC languages for code-golf questions?

Luis Mendo

@Dennis But we don't know the id, do we?

Adnan

@LuisMendo Hmm, that's weird

Luis Mendo

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ We have a line in the sand

Helka Homba

21:58

How did turtles get over 50 votes? ._.

Dennis

@LuisMendo If we only know the user removed message, no.

Conor O'Brien

and then we have multiple lines in the sandbox

Luis Mendo

@Adnan Seeing the URL, it probably detects the name, not the user

Dennis

> The shortest code (counting in bytes) to do so in any language in which numbers are valid tokens wins.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

okay

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