The Nineteenth Byte

TùxCräftîñg

22:00

no, actually.

Quill

hey @Mego, on the subject of your Cheddar PR, I just made a change that should let the tests pass and your PR get merged, if you want to merge in latest master to your fork

ooh, I feel like a real Cheddar contributor making comments like these

Optimizer

@HelkaHomba i was wondering .. u said u have to put stairs on top of chest .. but u end up putting the same blocks

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Quill you're the only one here with an actual face photo

hi @quartata

Fatalize

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC What about Optimizer?

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

^

Quill

22:02

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC that's not true. Nathan Merill and Martin Ender have face photos

TùxCräftîñg

no, Downgoat is a goat, me and mego a penguin, optimizer a lama and quartata a pichu

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Optimizer

TùxCräftîñg

^^

Quill

@TùxCräftîñg quartata is actually a pichu

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Martin Ender's photo is so gray and blends in so much that I don't even think it's a face photo any more

also that face tho

quartata

22:02

@TùxCräftîñg Why do you call it the Jelly compressor? It doesn't use a dictionary

Downgoat

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC I have a full body photo though

TùxCräftîñg

@quartata what is the problem about jelly and dictionary ;_;

Quill

@Downgoat you made Travis mess up by merging my changes early <_< travis-ci.org/cheddar-lang/Cheddar/jobs/144856315

Downgoat

@Quill wait wat

quartata

Well, you know Jelly is the name of another language that has a very unique compressor that uses the english dictionary

Sorry I didn't realize this was a completely unrelated compressor

Downgoat

22:03

@Quill :| sorry

uh

just click the retry button

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

the internet is always better without a name and a photo - that way you don't have any subconscious bias towards a race or gender

TùxCräftîñg

oh, didnt know that feature of jelly, i just have called it randomly

Anonymous

My race is "penguin"

TùxCräftîñg

me 2

Quill

@Downgoat the issue with his PR is that it couldn't find babel-node, but you have to reference the local install if you don't install it globally in travis.yml

Downgoat

22:04

huh, it worked before

Anonymous

SM64 :: Penguin Race Speed Run 10.06

►

Downgoat

ohhh that was before i cleared the cache

TùxCräftîñg

^^

Fatalize

the least well-designed thing about Jelly is its name

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Mego ??

Downgoat

22:05

@Mego i clicked on it expecting to see penguins racing each other. 0/10 very disappointed

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

^

TùxCräftîñg

^^

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

you must like penguins, @Mego

Quill

@Mego gets the idea :) github.com/cheddar-lang/Cheddar/pull/62/commits/…

Anonymous

You kids need to play Super Mario 64 :P

Anonymous

22:06

In that video, Mario is racing against a giant fat momma penguin in order to get a star

Anonymous

It shows off the huge skip you can do in the CCM slide

TùxCräftîñg

but it's very hard

i already have tried it ;_;

and failed

Downgoat

> As an administrator, you may still merge this pull request.
Merge pull request

oh yeah

hm :/

@Quill still failed: travis-ci.org/cheddar-lang/Cheddar/jobs/144856570

quartata

> ./node_modules/.bin/babel-node: Command not found

> .bin

why

Downgoat

wait wat

Anonymous

22:09

CCM isn't hard at all - once you know where to jump and how to time the dive so that you don't die, it's a breeze

Downgoat

oh

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

integer overflow for non programmers

TùxCräftîñg

normal person reaction: ;_;

Anonymous

Honestly there's way harder tricks in SM64 speedrunning :P

Anonymous

Like getting the toad stars - those are tricky

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

22:10

@TùxCräftîñg ?

Downgoat

@quartata ?

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

what else would it do?

quartata

@Downgoat why is a dot file

there's no reason for that

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

> $ ls

El'endia Starman

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC I gotta go now, but I'll try to get an .exe to you tonight.

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

22:11

> bash: ls: command not found

@El'endiaStarman k

TùxCräftîñg

@quartata in the your-mom package.json the call at build is a dot directory

so this is normal

Downgoat

@quartata without bin by itself just looks too lonely

TùxCräftîñg

^

quartata

That doesn't justify the usage of a dot folder for no reason other than to force people to type ls -a

Quill

@quartata the .bin folder is supposed to be a hidden folder containing shell executables of the npm packages, so you can specifically execute them without running node

TùxCräftîñg

22:12

^

Downgoat

^

quartata

@Quill Why can't it just be bin/?

Quill

IIRC, the real use for it is when you install -g, but we're abusing it here

@quartata because folders prefixed with a dot are hidden?

TùxCräftîñg

@Quill by default yes

quartata

@Quill Why does it need to be hidden?

It's not a "behind the scenes" thing

Quill

22:13

it is a behind the scenes kinda thing

TùxCräftîñg

^^

Downgoat

^^

TùxCräftîñg

not really this is binaries

Downgoat

I'm pretty damn sure it's because of the way node indexes node_modules

it just checks for a dir with the name of the given package

Quill

if you need to execute a node library as an executable, then it should be installed globally, it's more of a workaround so we don't have to do global installs for everything

Downgoat

22:14

it needs someway to separate bin/ from the rest

Quill

in any case, I'm not a canonical source and we're all going to the slave factory when the robots take over for questioning npm's methodology

Downgoat

@Quill ;___;

TùxCräftîñg

^^

Downgoat

@Quill master builds are still failing idk why

oh

I don't think it's doing a npm install

TùxCräftîñg

g'n

Optimizer

22:23

nice :(

Quill

@Downgoat yeah, I thought the same

Phaeze

Anyone have a moment to help golf some c# (codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/85373/19547)

Downgoat

@Phaeze sorry, don't know C# :|

Phaeze

@Downgoat No worries :)

LegionMammal978

> Querying digits 10^-360000001 through 10^-370000000...

Phaeze

22:25

I've gotten pretty far myself, just trying really hard to to only call Split once

LegionMammal978

My program's still searching for longer digit runs in pi

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

longer than what?

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Probably that run of 9s in the first 50k

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh I see

quartata

Off topic but I just noticed that 9 out of 10 starred messages on the Trash's starboard are from the 19B

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

22:34

that's distressing

Quill

would you like me to destroy the evidence? :p

quartata

That would be nice

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

go go go

quartata

But eh

Downgoat

what escapes should they be in Cheddar? I have \n \t \v and \0

oh \r and \f

quartata

22:36

ASCII

ASCII (/ˈæski/ ASS-kee), abbreviated from American Standard Code for Information Interchange, is a character encoding standard (the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) prefers the name US-ASCII). ASCII codes represent text in computers, telecommunications equipment, and other devices. Most modern character-encoding schemes are based on ASCII, although they support many additional characters. == Overview == ASCII was developed from telegraph code. Its first commercial use was as a seven-bit teleprinter code promoted by Bell data services. Work on the ASCII standard began on October 6, 1960...

there's a list

if you go down a bit

Downgoat

TIL

ok thx

quartata

Standardize all the things

You should also have \x__ and \u____

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

and \l_______________

quartata

?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

:P

Downgoat

22:38

@quartata I will have \u{________}

quartata

@Downgoat ey that's pretty good

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat how does that work?

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ e.g. if you wanted unicode code point 0x0F you would do \u{F} or \u{0F} the reason I'm doing this is because you get higher unicode code-point characters and I don't want to have weird surrogates like JS

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh, cool!

Downgoat

cheddar> "test\nok"
"testfunction getChar() {
            return this.Code[this.Index++];
        }nok"

XD

quartata

22:47

@Downgoat JS in a nutshell

"Mom I accidentally cast the cat to a string"

6

LegionMammal978

@Downgoat Update: I'll be done in with the tests a day or two after I finish procrastinating

Quill

@quartata I had a chatbot that did the exact same thing once

Downgoat

@quartata lol

quartata

I assume you did something like string + getChar instead of string + getChar()

Downgoat

@quartata exactly

at least its easy to debug because I knew exactly what and where the problem was

Quill

22:50

it happens in JS when you pass functions around like herpies

quartata

Why aren't you using use strict or somethin

Anyways honest question, which one is easier to debug:

cheddar> "test\nok"
"testfunction getChar() {
            return this.Code[this.Index++];
        }nok"

or

cheddar> "test\nok"
error at line XYZ col X: Can't cast object getChar of type "function" to type "string"

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

the former

Anonymous

@user2428118 Prepending the https:// to the links in the perpetual bounty thread was unnecessary

quartata

You people are nuts

Downgoat

this is pointing to what conor said

quartata

22:51

Anyways

Downgoat

cheddar> "a\nb"
"a
b"

\o/ \o/

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata I don't know where it happened, where it's being cast, etc.

Quill

does "a\\nb" work?

Anonymous

Nonono, keep the surrogates unless you're printing

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Ok that's because I just made a shitty error message

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

22:52

@quartata yes it is

Anonymous

So "a\nb" is "a\nb", but print("a\nb") is a<newline here>b

Downgoat

@Quill yes of course

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata now apparently my code is three dimensional

quartata

@Mego No this drives me nuts it's one of the most annoying features of Python. It makes things with backslashes nearly impossible to read

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ They're placeholders. Stop nitpicking

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata also, how do I distinguish between an error and printed text. you need to make it red or something

Anonymous

22:54

Being able to see the surrogates (especially in the case of unprintables) is very useful

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Pretend it's read. Is that easier to debug then the former?

since unlike the former it tells you exactly where it happened and why

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata sure

quartata

OK, good. Just checking

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

except for a few more nitpicks

quartata

I can't even edit it anymore, don't bother

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

22:54

ok

Helka Homba

@Optimizer They were stairs of those same types of blocks, i.e. acacia and dark oak stairs, just upside down so they are flat on top

Quill

interesting conversation: programmers.stackexchange.com/a/324154/169832

Anonymous

@Quill Literals are better because they're golfier. Why is this a question?

Quill

because prod code isn't the place to golf things

Helka Homba

@Mego Because "golf" is not a verb to most people.

Anonymous

23:03

Those sad, sad people who have not seen the light of golfing

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@HelkaHomba uh, yeah it is.

Not with code though

Anonymous

I think it's time to revisit the greatest piece of code ever written: o.c

Downgoat

@Mego you mean dark. light is longer than dark

Helka Homba

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Shush. In the world of programming sports don't exist.

Quill

lemonde.fr/police-justice/live/2016/07/15/…

Helka Homba

23:05

@Quill no hablo Francais

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Try checking the checkboxes on this form: verizonwireless.com/b2c/businessSolutions/contactUs.jsp

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@HelkaHomba What are sports?

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

(click on the text, not the boxes themselves)

Helka Homba

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC odd

Downgoat

What methods be in the Cheddar Math namespace?

2

Quill

23:06

Live: several dead in Nice after a truck plowed into the crowd
The former mayor, Christian Estrosi, refers to "dozens of deaths". An estimate confirmed by the sub-prefect, who said that the truck driver had been shot.

Helka Homba

Oh, that's terrible :|

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

._.

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

You know, in China, after people are run over, the car always backs up deliberately to kill them

Downgoat

that's horrible. especially on bastille day

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC O_O

Anonymous

> be detailed, detailed responses will be discarded

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

23:08

@Downgoat it's because death fines are less than injury fines

Downgoat

@Mego oh shit that's not right

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Also, one man ran over a toddler, got in his car and left, and the camera showed several people nonchalantly walking by seeing the body

Anonymous

Why bother contributing if all responses are going to be discarded?

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Downgoat

china is really horrible

the second north korea

it also happens like every day in china

Downgoat

@Mego fixed

uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

23:11

also helping the person who just got run over means you'll have to go to jail and pay the dude's medical bills

because the person you helped sued you

@Downgoat

The More You Know™

Downgoat

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC that's just horrifying

ಠ_ಠ for the fact that the Math.goat submission is the most detailed

btw to whoever submitted that:

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^^^

Downgoat

it'll be Image.goat

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oo, mathjax is a nice idea

Downgoat

> isZero

when ==0 is too verbose?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

23:15

but functional

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

You mean not verbose enough?

Quill

I hope you've got isNaN already

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ (==).curry(0)

Helka Homba

@Downgoat would not [int] work like in Python?

Downgoat

@Quill there is no NaN type... yet

idk python too much

Quill

23:16

@Downgoat okay

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat I see

Downgoat

> Math.pie = pi * e ._.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

XD

Quill

Oh hey there's a Programmers question that a python dev might be able to answer: programmers.stackexchange.com/q/324892/169832

Downgoat

Is .NET regex open source?

otherwise ill have to go with PCRE for chedr

Quill

23:21

@Downgoat .NET and open source don't go in the same sentence

Downgoat

:|

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat J has one, but you'll have to pore through their "open source"

Downgoat

> var re = new Pcre( '.' );
> re.execAll( "foobar" );
node(1636,0x7fff7375e180) malloc: *** error for object 0x100000000: pointer being freed was not allocated
*** set a breakpoint in malloc_error_break to debug
Abort trap: 6

ok

Dennis

@FryAmTheEggman @MartinEnder Just pulled Retina.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@Downgoat You should go with V regex.

Downgoat

23:29

not if its written in python

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

The newest version is not

Anonymous

@Quill Actually, they do

Quill

@Mego yeah, it was a joke ;-;

Anonymous

Use sarcasm tags :P

Geobits

Sarcasm tags are awesome /s

LegionMammal978

23:33

@Quill I've been using referencesource.microsoft.com for years by now

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Q: English to Caesar cipher

This code will crypt/decrypt message from English to Caesar cipher. Input In Input you will write a text like "Hello". Outpot The programm will return the input message crypted. "Hello" will become "KHOOR". Other You can use just 5 things: Array For Variable, Const and let String Input/Ou...

Anonymous

@Quill Done

Quill

I saw it, and upvoted

Anonymous

Really a lot of the OO-related questions on Programmers can be answered simply with "use polymorphism"

Blind

hello

Downgoat

23:42

Hello @Blind!

Blind

How are you?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego what's that?

Anonymous

Reminder: I'm collecting cat and dog names for an upcoming challenge - please submit your pets' names!

Blind

I start with say: I'm not Blind

My name is Blind, but I can see

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ bfy.tw/Ca4

trichoplax

23:43

If it wasn't for blinds, it would be curtains for all of us

Blind

ok

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

ahaha

Downgoat

@Mego where is goat optioon

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego this doesn't help me in an OO context.

Downgoat

> In programming languages and type theory, polymorphism (from Greek πολύς, polys, "many, much" and μορφή, morphē, "form, shape") is the provision of a single interface to entities of different types.

no one talks like that except when they are trying to act smart

Blind

23:45

How to Can I join into programming and become a sysadmin? I know a few JS and Python, I'm on Linux but I'm not so good. What I could study?

Anonymous

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

59 secs ago, by Downgoat

> In programming languages and type theory, polymorphism (from Greek πολύς, polys, "many, much" and μορφή, morphē, "form, shape") is the provision of a single interface to entities of different types.

I am not a linguist.

geez

Geobits

Then ignore the linguistics part and read what comes after it :/

Anonymous

Here's the exact section of the Wikipedia article that describes it in the way you've probably seen it most

Anonymous

Lazy kids, can't click or scroll to save their lives

Nathan Merrill

23:47

given a NxN square, and a ball that moves in a straight line in any of the 8 directions, what is the minimum number of moves needed to cover every point in the square?

Blind

How to Can I join into programming and become a sysadmin? I know a few JS and Python, I'm on Linux but I'm not so good. What I could study?

Downgoat

@Mego how 2 describe "extending" 101:

2 mins ago, by Downgoat

> In programming languages and type theory, polymorphism (from Greek πολύς, polys, "many, much" and μορφή, morphē, "form, shape") is the provision of a single interface to entities of different types.

Geobits

I'd think it was more tiring to keep asking than just read.

Doorknob

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Be Nice.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Doorknob Yes.

Blind

23:49

How to Can I join into programming and become a sysadmin? I know a few JS and Python, I'm on Linux but I'm not so good. What I could study? I would into world Informatics world etc. What I could study?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I think I'll take a break.

Anonymous

@Blind You're in the wrong place.

Geobits

@Blind Please stop repeating the same thing over and over again.

Blind

Where I can ask it?

Anonymous

Somewhere where that poorly-worded question would be on-topic?

Geobits

23:50

I see Mego's fun this evening.

Blind

Ok, anyway

Can I ask a thing about this site?

Anonymous

Sure

Anonymous

Don't ask to ask - just ask

Blind

If there's a question like that codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/85141/… where you must draw something, Can you use SVG for draw it?

(Sorry for my english)

Anonymous

@Blind We have a meta post for that

Blind

23:52

Oh thanks bro

Anyway, Is it normal that there are many people online now?

Anonymous

The specific answer that addresses that - so yes, vector graphics are allowed

Blind

It's too late lol

Now I read it

Downgoat

short answer: yes, (usually just title it svg/html)

FryAmTheEggman

@Dennis Thanks!

Nathan Merrill

bah, is nobody in a mathy mood tonight?

Blind

23:53

It's too late but I haven't sleep, strange lol

Downgoat

@NathanMerrill goats are never in a mathy mood >_>

Quill

;-; chat flags

Doorknob

Yeah, fun

Nathan Merrill

@Downgoat Are you putting general number-related functions in Math?

Blind

@Mego How to you can have 10k points in this site?

Anonymous

23:55

@Geobits To be fair, there's few things more frustrating than people continuing to ask questions that could be easily answered by just clicking a link and reading a bit.

Downgoat

@NathanMerrill yeah, anything which might be useful

Nathan Merrill

like min, max, clamp?

Downgoat

does't hurt to have more functions than less

Anonymous

@Blind I've participated a lot. A whole lot. Like, probably more than I should have.

Quill

this is cool istlsfastyet.com

Nathan Merrill

23:55

they are useful, but whether they belong in Math is up for debate

Geobits

@Mego Oh, I know that :P

Downgoat

@NathanMerrill those are gonna be as part of array

idk what clamp is

Nathan Merrill

clamp puts a number in a range

Downgoat

example?

Blind

@Mego Why you shouldn't partecipated?

Anonymous

23:56

clamp(x,a,b) = min(max(x,a),b)

Nathan Merrill

clamp(num, min, max){
    if (num < min)
       return min
    if num > max
       return max
    return num
}

Blind

@Mego Last question, What languages programming do you know?

Anonymous

@Blind I spend more time on this site than I probably should - my productivity is really low because of code golfing

Nathan Merrill

or Mego's on-liner

Downgoat

@NathanMerrill ah ok

Quill

23:57

why did I not know that reddit is open source

Downgoat

@NathanMerrill good idea will add

Blind

@Mego productivity in what? School/Work?

Nathan Merrill

@Downgoat I also frequently make an "inRange" function

which basically tests whether or not clamp will clamp

Downgoat

which I'm guessing does a < n < b

Nathan Merrill

yeah

actually a <= n < b

Anonymous

23:59

@Blind Actually, BASIC (and many variants), C, C++, C#, Java, Python, Pyth, Seriously, ... The list goes on

Anonymous

@Blind Work. I'm a freelance software developer.

Downgoat

@NathanMerrill cheddar range is inclusive so I guess it would do a <= n <= b

Blind

ok, thanks

Geobits

@Mego Seriously?

Blind

Do you think that Js is a good language?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

23:59

Depends who you ask. :P

Geobits

If you're looking for work it's not bad to know it.

Nathan Merrill

@Downgoat do you have a modulo builtin?

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