The Nineteenth Byte

RikerW

21:00

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ link?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

to what?

bkul

@Upgoat Ah, I remember that. Link?

Quill

aaaaaand that's why we don't limit new users ;-)

Anonymous

@bkul Click the timestamp

bkul

@Mego Thanks I am nub

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

21:00

^^

RikerW

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ the challenge

@Upgoat was 2015 though

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Language succession answer-chaining string Given two words (two strings of lowercase-only letters separated by a space) as input to a program PX written in language X, output two programs in languages Y and Z such that program PY outputs the first word and program PZ outputs the second word. Yo...

Adnan

@Upgoat It was their only post and received 1241 rep of it :p

Anonymous

I apparently didn't upvote it the first time around

RikerW

> new here please give me all teh repz and hintz

ftfy /s

Anonymous

21:03

I've been considering making a math-focused golfing library/extension for Python

Anonymous

Like Sage/Numpy/Scipy but golfier

Upgoat

@Mego I don't thinks that's a good idea to use. It'll probably get downvoted

Damon Utocoreft >_>

RikerW

lol

hahaha at that history

Anonymous

Well I'd just call it a new language (Mython?) :P

Liam

@Upgoat why would that get downvoted?

Or just Python + MyLib

LegionMammal978

21:06

@Upgoat should I do value instanceof CheddarNumber or value instanceof CheddarNumber.constructor? This type system is confusing

Anonymous

Well making it a standalone language would be better, because it wouldn't require from mython import*

Liam

But it would literally just be python with an auto-imported library?

LegionMammal978

@Mego exec 'from mython import*\n'+file.open(sys.argv[1]).read()

Anonymous

@Liam Mostly

Upgoat

@LegionMammal978 value instanceof CheddarNumber checks if value isa CheddarNumber

LegionMammal978

21:08

k thx

Just curious, is implicit casting a thing?

Liam

For some reason that sounds "cheatier" to me

Anonymous

That's how it would start, but I envision it branching out to more of a standalone language

Liam

That sounds better.

Like I wouldn't like someone creating a "PythonN" language which was just python with numpy already imported.

RikerW

Man tries to kill Trump

4

LegionMammal978

^ Someone with some sense there

Anonymous

21:11

It would be tacky to me, too, but it's just 18 bytes :P

RikerW

@LegionMammal978 lol

Anonymous

I'll start it as a library, and then evolve it into its own language

RikerW

2

bkul

@RikerW That's a cat

2

RikerW

yes

its my friend

bkul

21:12

reddit.com/r/reg

LegionMammal978

Yes you are! And you're sitting there! Hi, kitty!

2

Anonymous

Kitties are cuties

RikerW

@bkul hahaha

@Mego yes

give me hug i am kitty

bkul

@LegionMammal978 Yes you are! You're a kitty!

RikerW

i am cat give me hug not comic hug

I NEED TEH HUGZ

Upgoat

21:14

@LegionMammal978 this does not apply to Riker apparently though ._.

wat why does it say you are @RikerW but you are Easterly on PPCG

El'endia Starman

@RikerW On the one hand, the murder of anyone is a tragedy. On the other hand...dangit.

Poke

@RikerW This image took a second to load and for a moment I was convinced you posted a gif of the spinner that Stack Exchange uses. I was rather peeved.

bkul

@El'endiaStarman ^

RikerW

@Upgoat because im that everywhere else iirc

@El'endiaStarman ikr

@Poke lol

Upgoat

@RikerW idk whether to :| ._. >_> O_O O_o or ...

RikerW

21:15

o_O

LegionMammal978

@Upgoat Well, does Cheddar have implicit casting?

RikerW

not yet iirc

@Upgoat why any of them?

brb changing name there

Upgoat

@LegionMammal978 idk

RikerW

@Upgoat wait it says that now?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

yeah

RikerW

21:16

wtf

im irk

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ, Claremont, CA

1.8k 1 7 39

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

now you are

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

should be fixed

Upgoat

^^

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

refreshed chat profile

Upgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ waaaatttt

LegionMammal978

21:17

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ For me, here, it says it's Easterly

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Upgoat sorta

Upgoat

how were you able to eleven

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ is secrit elevnr confimd?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

jsut went and reselected PPCG on my chat parent profile

@Upgoat not

Upgoat

;-;

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

im not shog totally

@Upgoat you seen this yet?

v.ht/riker

trichoplax

21:18

I refreshed the profile but you still show as Easterly Irk in small caps here

Maltysen

@trichoplax i see RikerW

trichoplax

@Maltysen As your message came up and scrolled the page it changed to RikerW. Weird...

RikerW

O_O @StackExchange wtf

ArtOfCode

@RikerW need a hand?

RikerW

O_O

im rikerw again

@ArtOfCode yes pls

ArtOfCode

21:20

What can I do for you?

trichoplax

Parent site shows as Arqade on your profile

Upgoat

@RikerW yeah it was the rickroll one right?

Jun 2 at 1:03, by Upgoat

$ curl v.ht/riker
<html><head><title>riker</title><META http-equiv="refresh" content="0;URL=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ"></head><body><a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ">Moved Here</a>.</body></html>

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Upgoat >_>

@Upgoat how for loop chedr

thanks @ArtOfCode

ArtOfCode

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I didn't do anything :)

Upgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ for (var i := 0; i < 5; i=i+1) { print i }

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

21:22

........ wtf se

wtf.se

Upgoat

We are saying "wtf se" way to much in this chat room ._.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

wtaf is that site

._.

Upgoat

wat.wtf

Quill

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ wtf

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

ikr

thats part of it

El'endia Starman

21:30

....that moment when you get hit on by a web page...

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yes

er

web server

get your new love of your life's job right

El'endia Starman

Well, I just now saw the "web server" line. :P

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yeah

LegionMammal978

@Upgoat Is it possible to put a recursive operator in the Map? (e.g., a-b is a+(-b))

trichoplax

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Why is this just a head??? It looks like someone's been pruning their cat

Upgoat

21:32

@LegionMammal978 sorry wat

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@trichoplax ....

Upgoat

@trichoplax it's like when you go into your shell all of you is still there, but just hidden

trichoplax

I had no idea cats could do that.

LegionMammal978

@Upgoat Say, ["+", (LHS,RHS) => {if (RHS is LHS.ctor){return magic}else if(RHS is string){return +(LHS,cast_to_number(RHS))}}]

Upgoat

@LegionMammal978 okay

ctor?

LegionMammal978

21:35

I guess I could do LHS.constructor.Operator.get("+")(LHS,cast(RHS))

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

?

LegionMammal978

@Upgoat Pseudocode for .constructor

Quill

@Upgoat constructor

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I gtg, bye!

Upgoat

ah ok

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ bai

Quill

21:35

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ see you later

Upgoat

@LegionMammal978 Yeah. You can also just do RHS.constructor.Cast.get("Number")(RHS) but i dont think that works >_>_>

i g2g bai

LegionMammal978

It should

mbomb007

tryitonline.net is down

Upgoat

Ono

@mbomb007 @Dennis

LegionMammal978

There, adding in front of all of my ops:

if (RHS instanceof CheddarNumber)
    RHS = RHS.constructor.Cast.get("Rational")(RHS);

(I've already implemented cast to rational)

Quill

21:46

;-; australia must be asleep, the battlefield servers are empty ;-;

Upgoat

;-;

Australia is probably just commuting to work

LegionMammal978

@Upgoat It's ~6:30 AM in Australia

Dennis

Couldn't even SSH into it. Something went seriously bad.

Upgoat

Ono did tio be hacked ;-;

LegionMammal978

Upgoat

21:48

@Dennis <insert seriously/actually joke>

Quill

@LegionMammal978 +1 one hour

Dennis

No, just a misbehaving process. A restart fixed everything.

Upgoat

@LegionMammal978 it's not 7:49? My iPhone is lying to me D:

LegionMammal978

Oh, that's 6:30 local time for Sydney, forgive me

Dennis

@mbomb007 That will still say connection refused btw, since TIO doesn't have https.

LegionMammal978

21:50

;-;

I BLAME GOOGLE

Maltysen

@Upgoat oh yeah, i hacked into it last night by mistake. my bad.

Upgoat

gogl y u do dis ;-;

@Maltysen @Maltysen ಠ_ಠ ;-; y u do dis, pls tel Dennis how 2 fix pls

Quill

I'm working on adding some context to flag messages now

It's really hard to test flag userscripts <_<

Maltysen

@Upgoat oh yeah, rm -rf / will fix

Upgoat

@Quill want me to test that for you? :P

Quill

21:53

no.

Upgoat

maybe ask on stack apps

Maltysen

@Quill sandbox?

Upgoat

@Quill ik

Maltysen

(idk if that's allowed)

Quill

@Maltysen nope, no flag testing in Sandbox

Upgoat

21:56

cheddar> Math.fib(2)
Yeah... no functions yet...
If you're complaining that why I haven't made them, make them yourself and make a PR
why do I have to make everything?
< Unprintable object of class "CheddarFunction" with literal value undefined >

heh whoops

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ question: does the Math.fib function you made return a JS number or a Cheddarnumber?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

all of them return numbers

Upgoat

ok that's a problem

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I assumed that recasting was part of "done" function

mbomb007

@Dennis I didn't use SSH when accessing, only for linking in chat.

anyways, it's working now

Upgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ :| I wish

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

22:08

Why isn't it?

Upgoat

won't work

mbomb007

Does anyone else's codegolf.stackexchange.com have no CSS?

Upgoat

what if I had a length function that returned a number?

@mbomb007 ono ppcg was hacked too ;-;

hakr pls stop

mbomb007

It's the same across browsers for me.

Upgoat

@mbomb007 fine for me

quartata

22:10

@Upgoat but fibonacci is a one liner

Upgoat

@quartata ?

miles

@Dennis That's a good question. I want to say false is not allowed since its not a valid index, but depending on interpretation, like the linked meta, it could be viewed as a representastion of zero. All those answers in the meta post bring up good points but there's not any consensus

quartata

@Upgoat Just saying that it's a minimal effort built-in

Upgoat

@quartata I'm providing it as Cheddar code is slower than a native JS implementation. So why not

either way I'm just using it as a testing function

quartata

@Upgoat It shouldn't be significantly slower. It's only as slow as your power function

Upgoat

22:14

what does fibonacci have to do with power function?

quartata

The closed form

$user image$

Whoa, that's tiny

Upgoat

closed form is very very slow

quartata

That's a joke, right?

it shouldn't be

Upgoat

no it is O(phi^n) iirc

quartata

That's the recursive algorithm

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

22:17

@quartata it could be limited by number type

quartata

It takes exponential time

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata not with memoization kinda

PhiNotPi

@quartata I was summoned?

quartata

@PhiNotPi haha

flawr

@PhiNotPi PhiAndPsiNotPi

Dennis

22:25

@miles None of the answers actually says it shouldn't be allowed, just that allowing it by default would surprise newcomers. I think false is rather zero-y in Julia (1 + false etc. all give the expected output and @printf("%d",false) dutifully prints 0), but it's your call.

@quartata round(phi^n/sqrt(5)) is golfier.

@Upgoat That depends on the involved precision.

miles

@Dennis I lean towards that choice too, since most languages will interpret false as 0 and true as 1. Only a few will error out or give incorrect output like Mathematica.

Dennis

Or Java.

Upgoat

@Dennis I'll take your word for it

Dennis

Anyway, I'll be fine with whatever decision you make. If false is allowed, I'll be able to save a byte though.

Upgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ:

cheddar> Math.fib(9)
34

\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o /\ o/ \o /o\ /\o /\o/ \o/ \o /o\ /\o/ \o/ \o/

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

22:35

Chat mini challenge: Get on the starboard.

quartata

no

Quill

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan The last time I tried that, I got my legs stuck in the fan :/

Upgoat

@Quill O_O

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

wat?

quartata

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan weak attempt at a meme to get on the starboard I suspect

Quill

22:43

@quartata something like that

come to think of, though, getting your legs stuck in a moving fan would look hilarious

Maltysen

nsfw, but hilarious, had to share: reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/4oow7r/…

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@quartata Congratulations, you won!

Maltysen

2 bytes

Quill

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan this is the worst pop con ever

quartata

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan ha ez

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

22:55

@Maltysen Eww.

Also, gross.

Also, horrifyingly embarrassing.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Upgoat :D

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Oh, sorry quartata, you just lost.

Malty-malt is the new winner.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Upgoat did you fix the other functions?

Upgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ which one?

yeah

come into cheddar c9 and try it out if youd like

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

isprime, factor, and nthprime

Maltysen

23:00

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan <3

Quill

23:21

"About A Fool" - Stone Temple Pilots (Unreleased)

►

Dennis

23:32

@Upgoat status-completed

Helka Homba

@Dennis & co. Is there any way we can even know if meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/9361 has been noticed by SE?

Upgoat

@Dennis \o/ thanks :3

Helka Homba

@Ale@Doo ^^

Dennis

Only by asking them.

Helka Homba

ok

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 37 secs ago, by Helka Homba

@Shog9 Is there any word on PPCG community ads/graduation status. We've been waiting 4 months for something that was supposed to happen in a week.

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 37 secs ago, by Shog9

@HelkaHomba that's a good question

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 41 secs ago, by Shog9

I'll find out.

\o/

Upgoat

23:45

@HelkaHomba \o/ +1 for nagging the CMs to finally checkup on our graduation status :P

Helka Homba

Oh dear, I brought the rabble to the tavern :I

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh well

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

23:58

^

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