The Nineteenth Byte

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ First, check that you've got the right bit-version of Python. I.e., 64-bit if your OS is 64-bit.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ nah, use haskell instead

@flawr okay

@El'endiaStarman You know, I never knew what my OS -bit was. I've always been randomly choosing one each time I download something

@flawr ಠ_ಠ

8:02 PM

@El'endiaStarman What, haskell is great?

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Oh goodness.

PowerShell is great and does all things.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I guess it must be 64-bit then

brb downloading haskell

@MorganThrapp Yeah. I was expecting the short end of answers, at least on the first go-round, to weigh in around 600.

Refinements and golfs, and I would expect maybe some getting down to 500.

8:05 PM

@flawr should I go for minimal, stack, or platform installation?

@Upgoat Are classes in function arguments pass-by-reference?

Yeah, I guess that makes sense. I'm always just amazed when an answer takes more than ~150 bytes.

@LegionMammal978 no they are pass-by-copy but you can request them by reference using { Reference: True } on the argument

What does '.'.join([s(0,64),s(64,88)]).strip('.') do?

@Upgoat What about with just anonymous functions

8:06 PM

@LegionMammal978 wait nvm. If it's a JS function they are passed by reference

@MorganThrapp That was one thing that I liked about this challenge. It's not difficult, but there's also no 2-byte Jelly built-in. :D

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ It's me realizing that I should do string formatting there. :P

XD

@Upgoat Is it possible to clone a class (say, to negate a CheddarNumber that comes from an RHS)

@LegionMammal978 TheCheddarNumber.constructor.Operator.get("-")(null, TheCheddarNumber)

where TheCheddarNumber is yoru variable

8:09 PM

@Upgoat But say you're implementing "-"

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

any feedback on this while there are lots of people in the room?

0

Language succession answer-chaining string Given two words (two strings of lowercase-only letters separated by a space) as input to a program in language X, output two programs in languages Y and Z such that program pY outputs the first word and program pZ outputs the second word. These program...

@LegionMammal978 oh, then just to clone a CheddarNumber. Just get it's js value using foo.value and then pass it again to the cheddar number constructor once you're done e.g.:

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ That looks fun. Would participate.

thanks :)

var jsval = foo.value;
// do some manipulation on jsval
return HelperInit(CheddarNumber, 10, 0, jsval);

though I highly recommend using the stdlib apis

8:11 PM

I see

that makes this lots easier

What APIs?

what branch are you forked off?

There's just stdlib/primitives/String right now

okay :/

8:11 PM

I'm on develop

try to pull @feature-stdlib

then import the api file in stdlib/ root

How do I pull another branch?

carefully

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ For just notational clarification, maybe try program P<sub>Y</sub> instead of pY?

@TimmyD good idea

8:13 PM

@LegionMammal978 git pull origin feature-stdlib

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ It looks interesting, but I'm getting hit hard by medicine right now so my ability to understand words is going down rapidly

@MorganThrapp Context?

@Mego oh, okay. hope you feel better :)

@Upgoat fatal: Couldn't find remote ref feature-stdlib

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Oh trust me, I feel great right now. I just can't process long blocks of text :P

8:14 PM

I mean, I cloned it with --branch develop

@El'endiaStarman My almost 500 byte answer to TimmyD's latest challenge.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Also, I'm really confused by your character set restriction.

@Mego oh, okay. :P

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ platform

@flawr windows

@TimmyD okay, where are you confused? I'll elaborate.

8:15 PM

@LegionMammal978 try maybe git fetch origin feature-stdlib then do git merge feature-stdlib

Well, for starters, I'm presuming that you're missing a "use" in "Solutions must the same character set"

yes

What's defined as the "previous program X"?

Anonymous

@TimmyD Your challenge is giving me flashbacks of a project from my OSes class in college. I'm suing you for emotional trauma :P

@MorganThrapp Oh, I see. Yeah.

8:17 PM

@Mego Digital Emotional Trauma? ;-)

@Upgoat Re-cloned normally, both give same error

._. is your clone local or do you have a remote fork?

@Upgoat I have a fork that I cloned locally

link to your fork on GH?

@TimmyD Let's say submission A answers in language X with program P(X), going into languages Y and Z. If you were to extend Y or Z, the characters in your program must be "the same" (as described in the post) as that of program P(X)

8:18 PM

@Upgoat github.com/LegionMammal978/Cheddar

@LegionMammal978 what branch are your commits in? develop?

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ That's going to become very unwieldy as soon as you either get into a language like Whitespace or venture into the realm of unprintables.

@Upgoat No commits yet

Just have two unchecked files

@TimmyD wait, I explained wrong

dangit

Anonymous

@LegionMammal978 Did you fork it before the branch was created?

8:20 PM

@LegionMammal978 oh ok. can you push then

Let's say the first submission is this: some = (thing) => {return "alot"};

The characters used are "();=>aeghilmnorstu{} and a space.

The next program extending this could only use this character set, adding or removing five characters.

The character set remains unchanged other than that. I do need to clarify this.

OK, so P(y) and P(z) could use at most "();=>aeghilmnorstu{} plus an additional 5 characters of their writer's choosing.

Yes, it could.

Anonymous

Suggestion: allow users to either use the same characters or code points. That will allow languages like APL that use custom code pages that have no resemblance to ASCII to participate.

oh, true

8:25 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ you're familiar with generators right?

@Upgoat YES I LOVE THOSE

do you know what this means:

TypeError: Iterator value undefined is not an entry object

uhhh

It's like a NullReferenceException

Anonymous

So, with your previous example, P(y) and P(z) could either use "();=>aeghilmnorstu{} (characters) or [34, 40, 41, 59, 61, 62, 97, 101, 103, 104, 105, 108, 109, 110, 111, 114, 115, 116, 117, 123, 125] (code points, assuming an ASCII-compatible encoding), plus up to 5 more of the author's choice.

8:26 PM

how 2 fix

Make sure your for..in loop has a defined iterator

wait

wat

idk it dones't

Anonymous

That's something that I see most of the answer chaining challenges neglecting - not every language's code page is compatible with ASCII

P(y) and P(z) are programs generated by P(x).

@TimmyD

I misread

8:28 PM

@Upgoat What's the syntax for git remote adding the upstream repo?

Anonymous

Which is making assumptions about language features

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Whoops, I meant the next programs in the chain

@LegionMammal978 git remote add upstream <url>

K

@Mego Okay, cool. then yes.

8:29 PM

Oh ... so you're saying that the next submission can only use "();=>aeghilmnorstu{} and 5 additional characters.

so should I restrict it to ASCII-only?

@TimmyD yeah

Anonymous

No, just allow either the same characters or the same code points to be used

OK, yeah. That definitely needs some clarification. :D

What Mego said.

okay

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ:

cheddar> Math.E
2.718281828459045

\o/ \o/ \o /\o /\o /o \/o \/o \/o \/o\ / \o /o\ / \o /

8:31 PM

\o/

2 days ago, by Quill

@Upgoat I think some of your emoji people need to go to a hospital

3

;-;

@Upgoat Two people carrying a stretcher, ready to pick up an emoji.

do i really need avocado's constant in cheddar Math namespace?

   \o/
;------;

OHH figuired out why cheddar was borking

8:32 PM

@Upgoat Okay, fetched upstream, how do I push the new branches?

dammit phi

@LegionMammal978 git push upstream develop

@Upgoat I think you should have it

@bkul ok

@Upgoat Or maybe have a Science lib as well?

Anonymous

@Upgoat What did Phi ever do to you?

8:34 PM

That may not be good

@bkul yeah, that's sounds better

@Mego braek my chez

cheddar> Math.fib
< Unprintable object of class "CheddarFunction" with literal value undefined >

Phi broek ur chez?

\o /\o/ \ /o/ \o /\o/ \o /\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/

o nooooooooooooooooooooooo

Jun 14 at 19:27, by TimmyD

I suppose, technically, it's throwing an ArgumentTransformationMetadataException error. Because PowerShell.

8:38 PM

why would you flag that tho

@Upgoat wat

Anonymous

@ArtOfCode ppcg.github.io/chatiquette

@Quill pls delete caret chain

@ArtOfCode are you talking to me? I didn't flag anyhting ._.

No delete on mobile chat <_<

Anonymous

Caret chains have been disallowed by community consensus

8:38 PM

→ 7 messages moved to Trashcan

@Upgoat whoever flagged it

Anonymous

@ArtOfCode <3

^ oh wait...

Thanks @ArtOfCode

New Main Posts

OM NOM NOM

2

Thank you @NewArtOfCodeElevens

8:39 PM

@Mego That's probably not gonna be a valid reason to offensive flag something.

Anonymous

@NewMainPosts Wow that formatting looks like bad

> Bluetoothcontrollers

@Mego Happens when the post is deleted before the bot gets it.

Anonymous

@ArtOfCode Flags are also for spam

@Mego yeah, but offensive flags don't come with context, so just flagging a caret or 'v' is gonna get declined

Mod flag might be better? If you ask for a mod to remove the caret chain and link to that page, it could work out.

8:40 PM

Hmm maybe I ought to make a script that gives them context

> No flag, no context. Those are the rules I made up, just now.

Anonymous

@ArtOfCode Complain to SE that a 5-year-old FR hasn't been implemented yet

@Mego believe me, we do :)

Anonymous

@ArtOfCode I totally forgot that "flag for mod" was an option :P

@TimmyD "those are the rules that I've just made up", if you're trying to quote Izzard. "And I'm backing it up with this gun from the National Rifle Association."

8:43 PM

@NewMainPosts ಠ_ಠ avocad meme is old

@ArtOfCode Sorry - been many years since I've seen the skit. But I'm happy you've caught the reference.

@TimmyD I saw it (again) not long ago :)

> TypeError: Cannot call a class as a function

@JavaScript don't tell me what to do >:|

Anonymous

My gf watches Eddy Izzard's Dressed To Kill like once every 3 months

Martin Ender

@flawr Most of those can be found on meta under the same link.

Anonymous

8:45 PM

I once tried suggesting she watch something she hasn't seen a million times before

Anonymous

I still have the scars

Anonymous

...Why can't I bounty this MSE question? meta.stackexchange.com/questions/86597/…

 return HelperInit(CheddarRational, (a.num * b.den / gcd + b.num * a.den / gcd) / (a.den * b.den / gcd));

IT'S CALLED MATH

May 21 at 21:41, by Downgoat

@MartinBüttner oh god, maths, hides

inspects closely with magnifying class Yep, that's math all right.

Anonymous

8:47 PM

> magnifying class

Doorknob

@Mego For the record, Chatiquette isn't technically a thing yet. And carets are not spam; spam is unsolicited advertisement.

Anonymous

@Doorknob I've linked it many times before, and I'll link it again: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spamming

@Doorknob So, every time we post a link to a new esolang/gist/what have you?

@Doorknob I think it's been a looong time since "spam" solely meant "unsolicited advertisement".

Anonymous

> Electronic spamming is the use of electronic messaging systems to send unsolicited messages (spam), especially advertising, as well as sending messages repeatedly on the same site.

8:48 PM

@Mego So your message should be considered, spam, right?

@Mego because it's been unsuccessfully bountied before

Relevant SMBC

Any haskell experts here? I need some expertise here.

Anonymous

@Quill That's... not a great reason

Relevant Monty Python

8:50 PM

they don't want you to waste your bounties more than once <_<

Anonymous

@Quill If the SE mods were concerned about wasting bounty rep, they'd just disable bounties entirely on MSE.

@mego ;-;

11 mins ago, by Quill

Hmm maybe I ought to make a script that gives them context

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@TimmyD From which sketch?

@flawr Not an expert, but load GHCi and enter this:

Prelude> id=<<zipWith replicate[1..] "SKype"

wat challenge should i answre first in chedr ._.

8:53 PM

Where Prelude> is the prompt

@Upgoat hello world

^, then prime and truth machine

8

A: "Hello, World!"

Cheddar, 20 bytes print"Hello, World!" Yes!!!!! I have been waiting for this day a long time. After days of banging my head on my desk trying to get Cheddar to work. I have finally made a Cheddar REPL. The REPL is very alpha, so if you'd like to test it out, ping me in chat @Downgoat

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 The Spam sketch.

Anonymous

@Quill It's exceptionally clear that bounties mean basically nothing on MSE. Only after over 5k worth of bounties were posted on this FR and it was directly brought up in the Town Hall meeting did it ever get resolved.

Anonymous

8:54 PM

@Upgoat Dupe of Python 2 answer :P

Anonymous

@Upgoat Primality test

Correction:

    return HelperInit(CheddarRational, (a.num * b.den + b.num * a.den) / gcd, a.den * b.den / gcd);

@Mego aaahhhhhhhhhh cheddar in python share syntax

@Mego it only got resolved because one of the users did it and then open sourced it

brb redesigning chedr

8:55 PM

also that's because Haney became management and he was the one in charge of the snippets previously

@TimmyD @Mego updated, please see if it makes more sense now

Neo Geo Humble Bundle

@Upgoat Your ~~commits~~ branches are too messy, you'll have to handle merging my edits by yourself

@LegionMammal978 ._.

my commit history is beautiful what are you talking about

@bkul The problem that I wanted to point out is a totally different one, see comments.

8:57 PM

how is that messy

@LegionMammal978 ._.

you have 20 of them, all desynced

blame-github

Anonymous

best version history

I delete them locally but github refuses to udpate

@Github get your shit together

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Looks better to me. Probably let it sit and stew a little bit.

8:58 PM

yeah, it doesn't like to push all branches

thanks :) and will do

Grrr, I really want to break 400. :/

this is one challenge I don't want to mess up

@Mego better than <user> commited on GitHub Update <file>

Anonymous

What is this SO Teams nonsense

Anonymous

8:59 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Messing up challenges is the first step to not messing up challenges :P