The Nineteenth Byte

VTCAKAVSMoACE

17:00

There is no caching, so, no, you should not blame caching.

Geobits

Belittling Ritual Burials

quartata

@Geobits But... the creator of the standard says it's a hard G...

It's objectively right

Geobits

@quartata Huh? The creator said it should be pronounced like JIF peanut butter. That's a soft G.

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zyabin101

@QPaysTaxes Black Ruby Box

Sherlock9

u

Geobits

17:02

Using 1 in unary makes as much sense as using 2 in binary.

zyabin101

@QPaysTaxes 1.

Sherlock9

I'm saying that the "digit" should be "u" and the number should just be a string of "u"s :P

Geobits

u.u

Alex A.

@flawr This is fantastic :D

zyabin101

We should do a survey.

I mean @QPaysTaxes.

FryAmTheEggman

17:05

@Geobits Uh, how do decimals work in unary? Wouldn't u.u == uu? 1 * 1 ^ 1 = 1 * 1 ^ -1?

zyabin101

Everyone puts in one character to use as the digit.

quartata

@Geobits Really?

Oh, wait.

Wow, I feel dumb.

zyabin101

The character put in the most times wins.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@zyabin101 going to the next class

Geobits

@FryAmTheEggman Trying to make integers work in unary is enough of a pain. I don't want to try making sense of anything past that :P

zyabin101

17:07

Google Forms?

FryAmTheEggman

Wimp :P

Geobits

@QPaysTaxes Eww. If you're allowing arbitrary strings, just make every character count and use the length.

zyabin101

If it's locked, I can make an Instant.ly survey.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@Geobits Changed Contact section to be easier on the eyes.

zyabin101

But it doesn't show results publicly.

Geobits

17:08

Ah. So you should exclude the eyeball then ;)

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@Geobits The eyeball?

o nvm

Geobits

@VTCAKAVSMoACE Was not directed at yours. The contact area is very clean now.

Digital Trauma

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Geobits

You could have just changed the font instead, but I think this looks better overall.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@DigitalTrauma I don't get it ._.

Geobits

17:11

Working in an office chair with a laptop in lap? Are you sure these are programmers...?

zyabin101

@Quill monring

Digital Trauma

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Do I really have to explain? ;-) normal people (non-programmers) dress up sharp for work, and look shabby/down-and-out if unemployed

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@DigitalTrauma Oh, I see. :P

I'm only 15 so I don't know that

Helka Homba

What's the most starred image (or gif) in TNB?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

not an image/gif

Helka Homba

17:18

^

quartata

@DigitalTrauma can confirm

Doorknob

This is the most starred onebox

Geobits

@HelkaHomba I think it's this one:

Feb 18 at 23:53, by mınxomaτ

Helka Homba

@Doorknob Ah yes. Back then graduation seemed like a pipe dream

Geobits

Well damn >_<

Yep, way back in... February.

Helka Homba

17:21

Oh, but I guess it was announced 5 days later meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/8538/26997

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

wuhuh

FryAmTheEggman

@QPaysTaxes I don't think there's anything like that in the regex library, you could do like for key, val in dictionary: str.replace(my_string, key, val) or something

Geobits

@HelkaHomba Obviously the image did the trick.

Helka Homba

@Geobits We still are on the design waiting list :I

Geobits

Oh. I thought this was the new design and they were just being lazy with it :)

FryAmTheEggman

17:23

@Geobits They golfed it ;)

Geobits

import(betaTheme)

FryAmTheEggman

import(betaTheme);betaTheme.drop_beta_label;

They mixed camel and snake case for some reason.

Helka Homba

Is there an estimate on when we truly graduate? (meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/8968/26997 isn't conclusive)

Geobits

Oh god. Mixed camel_Case_Conventions_areTerrible

Alex A.

@HelkaHomba What do you mean truly?

We are a graduated site.

100%

FryAmTheEggman

17:26

^ We just don't look pretty yet.

PhiNotPi

TODO: rewrite the navy seals copypasta to be about programming.

Alex A.

@FryAmTheEggman We've always been beautiful on the inside though

Helka Homba

@Geobits howDo_You_Decide_BetweenACapitalAnd_An_Underscore?

Alex A.

@HelkaHomba A complex algorithm that you need to run every time you want to name a variable or class

Geobits

> Graduation works in two phases. Starting today, you'll receive the following benefits: ...

That seems to indicate not 100%.

Helka Homba

17:27

> Yes, the privilege thresholds increase when sites get custom designs.

two things we don't have, you said yourself

Alex A.

We have graduated. There are more graduation-associated perks to come, but that doesn't mean we aren't fully graduated.

Graduated => no beta

Geobits

I'd say it means phase one of graduation is complete, awaiting phase two.

Helka Homba

Well, you still knew what I meant

Alex A.

I didn't

Helka Homba

I mean, will it be a month, 6 months, a year?

Geobits

17:29

I heard we'll be getting the design in November, though. From a very good source.

Alex A.

@HelkaHomba Your guess is as good as mine. We haven't heard anything from the CMs since the election.

Helka Homba

Also community ads we don't have yet

@AlexA. :/ Now I'm regretting voting for you... ;)

zyabin101

Also, when we get swag? licks lips

Geobits

@zyabin101 That's when we'll be fully graduated in my eyes. When I see that sweet swag in the mail.

Helka Homba

Do they have license plates?

Alex A.

17:32

@zyabin101 The top two pages of user by reputation get swag, not everyone

Helka Homba

["I'd rather be golfing"](i.ebayimg.com/images/a/(KGrHqRHJBoE8+0Mr)00BPQ+FK(tVg~~/…

Alex A.

@Geobits 2026

zyabin101

@AlexA. ikr

Alex A.

@HelkaHomba ._.

Also <3 for voting for me

Geobits

@AlexA. That just reminded me that I never got one of my meta swagbags :/

Alex A.

17:33

@HelkaHomba I've seen that around but I think it means something else.

Geobits

So maybe it's just on a ten year delay.

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flawr

HOW TO SWAG

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@AlexA. At what pont of time?

Helka Homba

There's parentheses in this url: i.ebayimg.com/images/a/(KGrHqRHJBoE8+0Mr)00BPQ+FK(tVg~~/…

I didn't know that was allowed

flawr

An even better one: youtube.com/watch?v=qZ9DThV6dnc

@HelkaHomba It isn't. This url is commiting an outrage.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

KILL EBAY

flawr

17:36

BIKE ALLEY

Geobits

So much E

Alex A.

@quartata

Geobits

Why would you post that? My poor ears...

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VTCAKAVSMoACE

Did you know that email addresses have comment syntax? :O

I didn't.

flawr

How To Have Swag

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@VTCAKAVSMoACE I smell a challenge.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

17:39

Just writing it up. ;)

Geobits

@flawr Wow, I think someone needs counseling.

flawr

vtc.aka(")")"("vsm.o."."[email protected]

Fatalize

HowToBasic is garbage

flawr

simplify to the shortest valid adress.

VTCAKAVSMoACE

@flawr Yup. ;P That's my plan.

flawr

17:41

d(._.)b

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

()

flawr

=

~~shitty markdwon~~

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

~~(-)~~

Geobits

o e c

Loovjo

@Fatalize I thought so too at first, but then I realised how much cleaning that guy has to do after each episode.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

17:42

~~‌-‌~~

got it >:D

---‌-‌---

Geobits

~~>:D~~

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

E

Alex A.

Why is this happening

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

~~>:U~~

Fatalize

@Loovjo Doesn't make it less dumb, especially considering how much he makes with this

Alex A.

17:43

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Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

oh sorry

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Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

What's the record for the longest delay in newmainposts?

flawr

Does anyone know Binoxxo? The newspaper game?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

speak of the devil

Optimizer

17:45

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ few years

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

citation?

Optimizer

needed

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Mm.

Geobits

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ The devil (from Greek: διάβολος or diábolos = slanderer or accuser) is believed in many religions and cultures to be the personification of evil and the archenemy of humankind.

flawr

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ My favourite citation:

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

17:46

@Geobits I know this.

flawr

Geobits

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ You said speak of him. Just trying to comply.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Geobits >_<

flawr

@Geobits What makes you think the devil is male?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

"Speak of the devil and he shall come" is the saying, isn't it?

Ah, there we go, 8.8k

@NewMainPosts Jelly probably has a five-byte answer.

flawr

17:48

Haha, in wikipedia there is a whole bunch of translations of that saying:

Geobits

@flawr I don't believe in the devil at all, so I'm just using the most commonly portrayed gender in media.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@flawr o_O

flawr

> Albanian: "Kujto qenin e bëj gati shkopin", which translates to "Remember the dog and prepare the stick."

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Geobits Or you're using the gender-neutral pronoun accepted by the majority...

flawr

@AlexA. Devil = dog chasin gsticks

Geobits

17:49

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ No, I wasn't in this case. When I picture the devil, it's a male, due to it being portrayed that way in basically everything I've ever seen/read.

Optimizer

facebook.com/sarcasmLOL/photos/…

flawr

@flawr Strangly that seems to be the translation of many other languages.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Geobits Oh. \(-__-)/

Alex A.

I really wish my utilities company would stop sending me bills

Geobits

I typically try to use singular they when going gender-neutral.

A he still slips out every now and then though.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

17:51

I use xe when online, they when possible, but he when writing for school.

flawr

@Geobits This is a nice thing in german, you do not have to decide or construct anything artificial=)

Alex A.

"Xe"?

Good god, why would you say that?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

xe

Pronoun: xe

(nonstandard) they (singular). Gender-neutral third-person singular subject pronoun, coordinate with gendered pronouns he and she.

Verb: xe

smack
xe
to block so that it is not possible to pass / to prevent (something or someone) from passing
to catch (a ball)
to fill, to make full

(4 more not shown…)

Adjective: xe

hoarse

Noun: xe

bird
(classifier chiếc; con) xe ‎(車)
wheeled vehicle (except for airplanes and trains)
đậu xe‎ ― to park
lái xe‎ ― to drive a car

(3 more not shown…)

that verb definition #2 tho

> Verb: xe. ... 2. xe

flawr

And how do you pronounce that in english?

Alex A.

> 1. (nonstandard)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

17:52

I've pronounced it "zee"

> I use xe when online

flawr

o_O to pronounce

Geobits

I'm gonna start using dhje.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@flawr :D

flawr

@Geobits And how do you pronounce that^^

Geobits

I don't know IPA, so I'm not sure I can make it any clearer than that in print.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

17:53

@Geobits I'll start saying "GIF" as "dhjeef"

flawr

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Gesundheit.

zyabin101

@flawr ??????????

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Danke sehr

Geobits

@flawr I don't think dhje sneezed.

flawr

@Geobits Seems the flu is making it's rounds here?

Geobits

17:55

My phone really hates it when I type 'dhje'.

flawr

@Geobits I do not like being sneezed at either.

Geobits

Hmm. For the record, the correct pronounciation of dhje isn't anything like a sneeze.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Give me a word with that sound in it?

Geobits

That's a tough one.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

French word works, too.

TimmyD

17:57

> That's a toudhje one.

Geobits

It almost sounds like something large moving very quickly past you, giving a doppler effect.

(that might not help much)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

not really no

TimmyD

Haha ... doing a search for dhje and this video comes up youtube.com/watch?v=DHjE_EiPTLc

flawr

Does anyone know binoxxo? Those "crossword" puzzles?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Not I

Geobits

18:00

I don't think I've even heard of dhjem.

flawr

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ These

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

How does it work?

flawr

The goal is filling the rest with x and os.

In each column/row there are as many xes as ohs.

And there are at most two xes or two ohs in a row.

Geobits

"in a row" -> sequentially?

flawr

Or in other words: There is always an o next to an x and vice versa in each row and in each column.

Yeah.

zyabin101

18:02

@flawr This has to be added to Simon Tatham's collection.

flawr

At least here it is in every other newspaper...

Geobits

So in the example, you'd start with the double X in the middle by putting O on each side. Then doing the Xes surrounding the resulting double Os. Something like that?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

who?

flawr

@Geobits Yes!

Fatalize

did we just add 3 answers to @CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ challenge simultaneously

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

18:04

mhm

flawr

@zyabin101 This guy doesn't even know Bimaru.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

who?

Geobits

@flawr Is there an easy way to generate boards with unique solutions? Sounds like a not-bad challenge.

zyabin101

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham

flawr

@Geobits I'm not aware of any.

But I thought about making a challenge about them. But it seems nobody here knows them.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

18:07

You can teach.

flawr

PS: In hischool I programmed a bimaru game:

expirebox.com/download/cec03cc9a07e5c45c832d7ae0b9e9998.html

(Not guaranteed to be unique solvable though.)

zyabin101

@flawr Umm, doesn't it expire?

flawr

@zyabin101 It does.

zyabin101

@flawr ;_;

flawr

@zyabin101 The link does, the program does not.

Geobits

18:14

I think that might make it solvable, but not necessarily uniquely solvable.

Wait, are you talking about sudoko?

15 mins ago, by flawr

:D

flawr

@Geobits Already solved it?

@QPaysTaxes fail

Geobits

@flawr No, I was trying to show Q. His school got in the way.

It's a not-sudoku game :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

{2 2 1 $<:2%?4#3 <-- J program for generating a random grid 2x2 of _, 0, 1.

_ _ _ _ x _ _ o
o _ _ _ _ _ _ _
_ x o _ _ _ o _
_ _ _ x x _ _ _
x _ _ o _ o _ _
_ _ _ x _ _ _ o
_ _ _ _ _ _ x _
o x o _ _ o _ _

@QPaysTaxes

zyabin101

. . . . X . . O
O . . . . . . .
. X O . . . O .
. . . X X . . .
X . . O . O . .
. . . X . . . O
. . . . . . X .
O X O . . O . .

ninja'd

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

we've already been over that

zyabin101

18:19

The goal is filling the rest with x and os.
In each column/row there are as many xes as ohs.
And there are at most two xes or two ohs in a row.

flawr

18:32

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Optimizer

this looks oddly familiar!

Helka Homba

please no

Optimizer

is that .... petabits?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

someone star that XD

Optimizer

18:41

no. its scary.

TimmyD

He has an oddly long neck.

At least, it seems to me.

Optimizer

^

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

thanks starrer

TimmyD

Wow, R.I.P. Prince

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

?

TimmyD

18:44

msn.com/en-us/music/celebrity/…

xnor

does Pyth have a built-in to check if a list is a sublist of another list, anologous to substrings?

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mbomb007

@Dennis Is there a way you could make the code and input boxes on Try It Online re-sizable? I hate how there's a minimum width or that I can't resize it, and that width is huge.

Sherlock9

Haskell types are driving me insane

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

J drove me insane a long time before this happened >_>

Sherlock9

18:51

Why was I trying to learn this instead of Lisp, again?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Because Lisp is a shiv.

quartata

@Sherlock9 lisp is amazing

start with racket

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Should I learn lisp?

quartata

yes

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Why?

quartata

18:54

because it's amazing

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Is it functional?

Sherlock9

Lisp was the first functional programming language, IIRC

Dennis

@mbomb007 I'm not sure why I used min-width in the first place. I'll check it out.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I'll have to look at it.

(Ruby, Haskell, Lisp) are my current order of learning languages

zyabin101

Why doesn't editor-golf exist? Because challenges in a specific language are discouraged?

Or by other reasons?

quartata

18:58

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ (reverse language_list)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Implicitly at the end of that list are a bunch of esolangs.

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