yes, that's why a bunch of llamas always stick together

mhmm, thought so

@HelkaHomba Maybe you've got an idea for the actual problem I'm trying to solve though. See chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/29166618#29166618 and subsequent messages.

ah got it

I just had to reshuffle entire rows instead of corners

Wat, Python's map takes multiple iterables? Why have I been messing with zip all this time?

@quartata You're right, too long. I think I'll shorten it

The problem is because Zn is both norm and determinant right? You have to specify the inputs

@Dennis Uh, so you don't write an empty lambda when the function is too complicated for that? Who knows, really :P

@mbomb007 that reminds me, I totally forgot to include the sudoku rules in the challenge...

@MartinBüttner It matches all 10 valids, but also 5 invalids.

what do you mean by "validate boxes horizontally/vertically"?

It's generating a regex that I test with retina.

The vertically method is just another way I validated boxes to see if it worked better.

It's the direction I check

If a 1 is in the first 3 of a row, or the 2nd 3 of a row, or the 3rd 3...

...

maybe that's what I did wrong

just fyi, I just finished my own solution and it's 137 bytes atm

Yeah. g4u

honestly, I have no clue how your program works

It's pretty brute force.

Anyway, I'm certain the box checking is wrong now

@quartata Yes. I'll move det to somewhere else, maybe | (abolosute value) And maybe I'll add a one-byte command to indicate "take one more input"

Anyway, I think you can get down to 11 bytes. Did you see my comment?

@LuisMendo also I forgot matl has float literals :P qZSQ was shorter than 1 2/>

@MartinBüttner (?=.{0,8}1)(?=.{0,8}2)(?=.{0,8}3)... checks if there is one of each number in that row

Since 0-8 is before each char in the first row

nice avatar @mbomb007

@EasterlyIrk Thx.

I did think you were @ETHProductions for a moment.

Where is he?

I'll probs change it later. Since I'm not into Kirby as much as other things.

haven't seen him recently.

idk

@mbomb007 try nethack

never played it

I'll probably change it to something from an anime, or League of Legends.

D:

go play nethack

and anime is goodish

I'm into Pokemon rt now

@mbomb007 sounds about right

I know @Maltysen and @Quill both watch anime?

Cool.

@quartata BTW my suggestion t!Y*2$0ZnYo works because nonzero numbers are truthy (I guess that happens in most languages)

yeah

though I often wish -1 were not truthy in python.

The only ones I've finished are FMA: Brotherhood, Soul Eater, and Black ☆ Rock Shooter.

I'm on Season 2 of Pokemon rt now

Golfyer: rn

@EasterlyIrk same

vs rt now or right now

@EasterlyIrk Registered Nurse

ooh

never thought of htat comeback.

Black ☆ Rock Shooter is only 8 episodes. Worth watching.

There's only sub. No dub.

brb

okay, I think it's about ready now... any further comments? meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/8992/8478

@LuisMendo Yo works nicely thanks

nvm

@quartata Yo no prob bro

s/bro/bruh/

haha

@EasterlyIrk It's not necessary to ping people when simply mentioning them in conversation. Pings should be used to alert someone's attention to something.

yolo yo

yolo ya facez brotatoes

Hmm I hope Dennis doesn't golf his APL solution

@quartata That's what I was thinking :-)

Or come up with something in another language

@MartinBüttner No further comment. Just gotta fix my prgm

luckily jelly didn't have determinant when the challenge was posted

I'm not sure whether I should be surprised by these results: strawpoll.me/10008879/r

@quartata I happened to have a Windows laptop yesterday (changed a faulty hard drive for a coworker), and briefly abused it to install NARS2000. I couldn't try to golf my submission if I wanted to. ._.

@Dennis You should be able to use the NARS binary with Wine

Ubuntu 16.04 only has Python 3.5 by default

that's big

@AlexA. I should be able to do a lot of things with Wine.

@orlp Yeah, I heard they were doing that. I think it's a step in the right direction. IMO 2 should be phased out entirely.

@AlexA. oh sorry I shouldn't ping you

@AlexA. oops

Quite frankly, I'm surprised 2 is still being used as much as it is.

@Dennis The NARS website mentions Wine specifically, which is why I say that

@QPaysTaxes No. This does.

@QPaysTaxes See, now I think you're just pinging @AlexA. for no reason :P

@QPaysTaxes ooo I love mod abuse

which mod do we abuse next?

@QPaysTaxes Hmm, pronoun confusion. You mean @AlexA. when you say "his", right?

Oh, ok. @AlexA. did you get that?

@Geobits I've chಠsen to ignಠre this conversation.

I can't imagine why.

My attention was certainly drawn to it. :P

@LuisMendo By the way, Dennis added an interesting behavior for Jelly's determinant for when the matrix isn't square that I think we should steal borrow. If the matrix isn't square it does the determinant of matrix^T * matrix instead

@AlexA. I agree. Though some people like to know when they're being talked about, however mundanely

@AlexA. that means it's working

@HelkaHomba I don't think @AlexA. is one of those people.

@HelkaHomba I would, so I do that for others.

@Geobits Do we ever talk about @AlexA. mundanely?

@HelkaHomba Hmm. Fair point.

This stopped being funny roughly 20 pings ago.

Was it ever?

@HelkaHomba they can search for their name in the transcript then

@Dennis I agree, but every now and then you just feel like beating a dead horse. Seriously.

It did.

@Geobits like this dead horse you mean?

Anyway, I came to ask..

@MartinBüttner rofl

What's the silliest/dumbest name you've seen for a commonly used program/software package/code library? (something you didn't name yourself)

@MartinBüttner Yea, pretty much like that :D

what stopped being funny?

Pinging @ AlexA. a ton of times.

@Geobits OK, Seriously puns are still good.

NO.

Much no.

Actually...

@QPaysTaxes Aw, ninja'd.

@HelkaHomba DISCSS

and it's successors.

@HelkaHomba Go

away

GIMP is pretty terrible as a name.

@HelkaHomba Servo's HTML5 parser is called html5ever

rofl

lol

Oh gross.

@QPaysTaxes I kinda mean most ridiculous name, like "BearsInBonnets.github" but :P

Hey, FOG was kinda accidental.

@Doorknob so you know jdm and ms2ger?

@Optimizer um no

Irrelevant: There's a company in Princeton, NJ, called Biomedical Systems, and they use the abbreviation BMS. They often get confused with Bristol-Meyers-Squibb (the huge company that goes by BMS) which is also headquartered in Princeton, NJ.

Why would they think it's a good idea to go by BMS

@Doorknob but you contribute to rust/servo, no?

@Optimizer no

o

@QPaysTaxes Hello

@AlexA. For some reason that makes me think Birritable Mowel Syndrome.

uhhhhh...

@AlexA. stop BMSing

BookMyShow

@Geobits That's almost a spoonerism. Perhaps delirious Mr. Spooner with food poisoning.

Yea... no idea why my brain went there with it, but I felt it needed to be shared.

@QPaysTaxes It should've been named Ccript

@HelkaHomba My friend in high school got her stepdad a briefcase for his birthday with his initials on it. It didn't occur to her beforehand that his initials are "PMS".

pronounced as see-cript

This is a test of how SE forwards links.

GarbageScript

Huh.

Skype follows that link.

It started boxing my error pages as rickrolls.

Kinda hard to rickroll that way, eh?

Ye. .-. I might have to change how I forward the address.

rofl

all you guys hate JavaScript, JavaScript be like

Original with sound

10/10 SUCH CUTE ROOMBA

The JS haters should try disabling all JS for a day to see how they like it

All this JS shitposting summoned @Quill

they probably didn't even see your message..

coz their JS was disabled.. and nothing worked

@HelkaHomba Just because we have to use JS doesn't mean we like it

@HelkaHomba The fact that I'm forced to use it makes me like it even less.

@quartata on the contrary, majority love JS that's why it has become such a monopoly that everyone has to use it

@Dennis You're forced to use HTML, CSS as well as the OS' languages of choice

@Optimizer No, not really. It was made as a standard in Netscape which is why everyone else was forced to roll with it

Once it's implemented in one browser all the browsers have to follow along

@quartata that was years ago, if people hated it, a new standard could have been formed and adopted.

@Optimizer What do you think Google was trying to do with Dart?

And what do you think people are doing with Brython?

and see where it went

Google invents Dart lang, Microsoft should invent Billiards lang

@Optimizer It wasn't successful because they can't get everyone to agree on anything anymore.

Hell, even Microsoft tried to do something with TypeScript.

@quartata but its not like they had to wait till 2010+ to do all this.

@Optimizer JavaScript's flaws were never that apparent until it had to be used for super complicated Web2.0 applications

@quartata web 2.0 came in 1999

What's a one-word phrase for "Not gonna let that join the others in my web history"

@Optimizer Please

You know what I mean

@QPaysTaxes grins evilly that's right, talk about something else *whispers* topic change nearly complete

think of it this way - if there were 5 major web languages, then every website developer ever would have to support all 5, or then it would become exactly like mobile OS and apps where only 1 or 2 major browsers thrive as developers develop only for their browsers and then eventually, its just 1 browser (so just 1 language) and the cycle continues..

It's also really deeply rooted in the web; it would take a really long time to phase it all out

@mbomb007 I'd just call it .NET regex (because there's nothing Retina-specific about its regex flavour). also, your regex is probably compatible with most common flavours, like PCRE, Perl, Ruby, Python and probably even JavaScript

@QPaysTaxes do you even understand what I am trying to say?

maybe you should try reading instead of just throwing out hate?

more ^

just because you pay your taxes, doesn't make you eligible to say anything.

@Optimizer If you're trying to make a point about "if people hate JS so much why haven't they done anything" it's not working

When they were discussing which language to make the web standard, it came down to FGITW

JavaScript literally got hacked together in a weekend

Ever wondered why IPv6 is in place and IPv7 isn't (despite the RFC being written)

@quartata I am trying to say that, but the time frame I am talking about is 90s. where a change could still have been possible as web was not that big.

@QPaysTaxes IPv7 was also attempting to extend the IP range

^^ this in the middle of serious discussion and you ask for better explanation

@Optimizer And I'm saying that most websites were small affairs in the 90s and early 2000s. The weaknesses of JS weren't apparent in such small things

@quartata weakness like?

Don't even open that can of worms you know what I'm talking about

@quartata That trademark [1,2] + [3,4] and such?

@EasterlyIrk basically

@quartata Yeah, JavaScript wasn't really used heavily until jQuery came out with the animation library

how is 'C'++ different?

@Quill yeah we've gone from static web pages with minimal JS to dynamic web "EXPERIENCES"

then every website had animations for every element on the page. looked like a child's powerpoint design