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Easterly Irk

00:01

Luis Mendo

@Dennis Thank you!! BTW, any idea why our answers to "Hard/soft" objects may have been downvoted? A downvote means "not useful". ¿?

Easterly Irk

\n, \t,

\b, \a

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

\r \\

Dennis

@LuisMendo Some people don't like golfing languages...

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Not really. What if you want to print \n literally?

Oh, duh I see what you meant.

Easterly Irk

00:08

rofl

Cyoce

Hey @QPaysTaxes

Easterly Irk

hai @Cyoce

Cyoce

hai @EasterlyIrk

Easterly Irk

\a for sure

and yeah, \xHHHH

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

\uNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNnn

Cyoce

00:10

@Dennis probably salty. ¯\(ツ)/¯

Easterly Irk

that got mangled. :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

\¯_ツ¯/(_)

Easterly Irk

isn't ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

more common?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

/¯a/ tp͜͡°(_w()\t_¯ )ツ(¯t_\͡\ /]\/ʖ)_¯\\ツ:¯°(_[¯huツ(r).mgc/z)\itzಠಠ¯mಠK_)/oiAxツ_ಠ͡°ಠಠಠ/ _)(_¯͡ʖ͜͡͡͡ _°( ಠ(°°͜͜)° )ʖ)°( ͜ ʖ ͡͡° (°ʖ͡

poi830

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ are you ok?

Easterly Irk

00:11

i don't think so

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Deep down we are all not okay.

Easterly Irk

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Lol, the last C&H: explosm.net/comics/4274

Cyoce

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ now put it through zalgo text.

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

@QPaysTaxes You can't have an empty else. The comment is unrelated.

Easterly Irk

00:15

@QPaysTaxes nope

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Luis Mendo

@Dennis That must be it

Easterly Irk

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ w.t.f

Walter Thomas Fredrikson

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

@QPaysTaxes You could do pass

Luis Mendo

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Hard to tell if the actual text is horizontal or vertical

Easterly Irk

00:16

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

@QPaysTaxes In (almost) any other language you have braces.

Easterly Irk

@QPaysTaxes try 1

else:
    1

that works

or 1#test

1 isn't code. 'Tis expression.

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Python demands an indented line after an if/else.

quartata

It's for readability

Easterly Irk

This is what became of my essay.

pastee.org/u5en8

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:20

@EasterlyIrk D:

Easterly Irk

This is my other one.

pastee.org/486rd

#i'mscrewed

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

@QPaysTaxes To be fair, you couldn't do the same thing in C/C++.

Easterly Irk

@QPaysTaxes durk majik

and a failed auto-update.

Q_Q

2 weeks work.

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Yeah, but you still need `{}`.
`else //comment` is not fine.

Easterly Irk

( - o

Cyoce

00:22

SE needs to fix the chat markdown.

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Exactly. The same way python requires "an indented block"

But the comment is not code.

Cyoce

Is there a (more well-known) language that uses chains/links like Jelly does?

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

C requires code.

In this case {}

@Cyoce J

I think

Easterly Irk

@QPaysTaxes because it removes comments before compiling/interpreting.

So the part that checks for empty if/elses never sees the comment.

Cyoce

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ Exactly. Python should allow the same thing. An indented block with no content should be analogous to C's {}

Easterly Irk

00:24

@QPaysTaxes durk majik supportation iz teh tru reazon

quartata

I know.

if foo:
  blah()
else:

blah2()

This is what Python sees (since comments are stripped out).

And you can't deny that looks wrong readability wise.

Easterly Irk

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Because the interpreter never sees that.

Easterly Irk

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

I don't think comments should ever affect flow of control.

Easterly Irk

00:34

@QPaysTaxes because it wasn't fixed. That is the reality. Deal with it.

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Because comments shouldn't affect control flow.

Easterly Irk

You know why it exists. Accept it. Move on. Do something more with your life.

quartata

But that's not what Python sees. The comments are stripped out before whitespace even considered. They could redo the parser structure entirely but why bother?

This is much more consistent behavior when you think about it.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^^^

quartata

Think of comments like whitespace.

Anyways Python devs have far bigger fish to fry than redoing their parser for something so small. It's not laziness.

Downgoat

00:40

@quartata what is viewmodel?

quartata

@Downgoat Viewmodels are the annoying gun things that take up unnecessary screen space

Downgoat

oh ok

quartata

@QPayTaxes Comments are indentation insensitive but delimited and whitespace sensitive. I don't think it would be easy in their current parser at all.

Doorknob

just... press tab?

quartata

I'm on mobile there is no tab

Downgoat

00:43

@QPaysTaxes why am I being pinged in this?

Doorknob

@quartata use replies

quartata

I'm on the old UI

Doorknob

why

Downgoat

there's a new UI?

quartata

@Doorknob it makes dolphin go screwy. probably because this phone is super old

Doorknob

00:45

@quartata ... dolphin?

quartata

dolphin browser

PhiNotPi

they're like the mammals of the ocean

quartata

you know the one that's good

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

codingspecialty.blogspot.com/2016/04/… <-- anyone who uses javascript must read this

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

That's a screaming deal.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't remember them.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:48

Chat mini-challenge: given an integer n > 1 as input, output n \ s, a o, and n /s

Dennis

Forget about 10MB HDD. 64 KiB of RAM? o_O

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

> 8 bit microproccesor

Doorknob

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ uhmm... I have no idea how to parse this

what are s, a, and o, and where did they come from?

Easterly Irk

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ so s/n, n/s and what else?

and ^^

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Lemme rephrase

1 => \o/, 2 => \\o//, etc.

Easterly Irk

00:51

Doorknob

> n > 1

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ n=>'\\'.repeat(n)+'o'+'/'.repeat(n)

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ GolfScript _'\*'o@'\*

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Doorknob *>=1

quartata

think

oh shit forgot to eval

Doorknob

00:53

11 ++*\\Q\o*\/

Easterly Irk

Python, 25 bytes
`lambda x:'\\'*x+'o'+'/'*x`

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

V 10 bytes
`@aé\é0@aé/`

Downgoat

TeaScript 10 bytes: Rσ+'o'+xRσ

Easterly Irk

can this be a pop-con?

quartata

Too bad I forgot to add repeat to pl. Would be 7 bytes

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

00:56

@Doorknob What language is that?

Doorknob

pyth

Downgoat

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ Pyth

quartata

Pyth

Easterly Irk

TRIPLE NINJA

quartata

sumo'd

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

00:57

OMEGA NINJA!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

ni'nja

Dennis

;1;x@“\o/

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

jolf, 10 bytes: Ά*'\x'o*'/

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