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4:00 PM
@RenderSettings I don't see any such case
...Annnnd I'm just blind
Okay, it was a bad idea.
@KennyLau Sorry late reply. "tinggal" means leave, and "tertinggal" means left behing by accident
@EasterlyIrk in case that wasn't obvious yes
@Sherlock9 I see.
4:06 PM
"matahari terbenam" is "the sun is setting"
@quartata okai
the root word being? @Sherlock9
"benam" where "karena hari panas, kerbau itu berbenam diri dalam lumpur" means "because the day was hot, the cow wallowed in the mud"
@Sherlock9 Any ter + p...?
Other possible meaning are "going inside" or "hiding" or "covering yourself". So the sun "hides", I guess :D
4:09 PM
@Sherlock9 Yep. That confirms ter has no N.
Oh! My friends came up with an Indonesian version of "Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo." with same number of words :D
"Tahu-tahu, tahu tahu tahu tahu tahu tahu"
"Suddenly, tofu that is knowledgeable knows that other knowledgeable tofu also know."
Word by word please?
Tahu-tahu = suddenly
tahu tahu = tofu that is knowledgeable
tahu = knows
tahu tahu = other knowledgeable tofu
tahu = knows
is it knowledgeable+tofu or tofu+knowledgeable?
Tahu-tahu -> Suddenly
tahu (yang) tahu -> knowledgeable tofu
tahu (bahwa) -> knows that
tahu tahu (yang lain) -> other knowledgeable tofu
tahu -> knows
@KennyLau Good question. Let me ask
4:14 PM
@Dennis you seem to be having a lot of fun with my challenge :D
6 answers and counting. :)
@Sherlock9 What languages do you speak?
@KennyLau Usually, the adjective follows the noun
Just English, Indonesian and Python
noun + adjective
I see
Then why are you asking?
"mobil hijau" -> car green
@KennyLau Double-checking
4:16 PM
I see
@MartinBüttner This is also the first time I wasn't annoyed by #> behaving differently for non-negative indices and -1. It was actually helpful.
The adjectival form of "tahu" appears to be informal
I see.
That's also something to ask my friends
What does "tahu" mean, in "tahu-tahu"?
(btw this is called "reduplication" in linguistics. I happen to know that it occurs in Indonesian languages a lot)
4:22 PM
Not sure about that
Reduplication is, in fact, quite common in Indonesian and Malay, as well, I believe
well it also happens in other languages
I'd love to hear other examples
From wiki:
- Rhyming reduplication: hokey-pokey, razzle-dazzle, super-duper, boogie-woogie, teenie-weenie, walkie-talkie, hoity-toity, wingding, ragtag, easy-peasy.
- Exact reduplications (baby-talk-like): bye-bye, choo-choo, night-night, no-no, pee-pee, poo-poo. Couscous is not an English example for reduplication, since it is taken from a French word which has a Maghrebi origin. In South African English, 'now-now' means 'immediately' (whereas an ordinary 'now' can also mean 'somewhat later').
- Ablaut reduplications: bric-a-brac, chit-chat, criss-cross, ding-dong, jibber-jabber, kitty-cat, knick-kna
@Sherlock9 I only know anak-anak xd
"main-main" or "bermain-main" -> "to play"
Oh interesting version of nasal in loanwords
"program" becomes "pemrograman"
peN- program -an
4:29 PM
@Sherlock9 Is there any word with p in the middle?
Also, "kali" becomes "mengalikan" while "gali" becomes "menggali". "-ng-" "-g-" are different
Hey One
We're discussing Indonesian linguistics
Am I speaking wrong language? I guess I am.
Nah, we're discussing this in English, though
4:32 PM
@Sherlock9 any word with p between two vowels?
"berapa" for several, is one that comes to mind, but I think you want a p at the beginning and in the middle
Hang on
Oh ok
What name should I use for my AI team?
Phi's Teamo Supreme
hahaha yes
4:36 PM
@PhiNotPi What AI team?
At my university
AI for a specific game?
@PhiNotPi Machine Overlords
@PhiNotPi PPCG Team.
@KennyLau Have a t word
"tetap" to "menetapi"
4:41 PM
Algebraic Integers?
@PhiNotPi How About the Pi Crunchers
@Sherlock9 Does "tap" mean anything?
"Tetap" means "continuous" or "set" or a few other things
"menetapi rencana" is to "make plans" and set them down
I see
So I guess the original form is meng- then
4:43 PM
Or "tentu" to "menentui", "not changing" and "investigating"
@Sherlock9 "tetap"... does "tap" mean anything?
Well, "tahu" becomes "mengetahui"
@KennyLau I don't think so, but let me check the dictionary
@Sherlock9 well, then I guess it is meng- (k)e- tahu -i?
Apparently not. "Tap" is another word, but I don't quite understand it in the dictionary
@KennyLau Yes, actually
@PhiNotPi Alpha Inductors?
4:46 PM
@Sherlock9 Is it e- or ke-?
Alright, it's 11.45 and I'm still sick
I see
and the k is N'ed
So I'll be getting some rest now. We should continue this discussion soon, Kenny. I'm having a lot of fun :D
what're you guys talking about?
Indonesian linguistics and grammar
4:47 PM
And I haven't even started on how simple pronounciation is. None of this, the spelling is nothing like the pronounciation crap in English. It's pretty phonetic now
@Sherlock9 Me too.
Wasn't always, but it's definitely phonetic (or close to) now :D
Goodnight everyone o/
@Sherlock9 well, English has its spelling for historical reasons...
@Sherlock9 I also should sleep now.
4:59 PM
@flawr some nice pictures in there :)
5:14 PM
I'm writing my AI in Perl.
It's gonna be great.
Ok, fine, it looks like you are more interested in bashing other people than in solving puzzles. This site looked much more fun as a lurker. I'm going back to that. Bye. — Massimo 4 hours ago
> Pyth, 34 Bytes 31 Bytes 29 Bytes 27 Bytes
This header apparently needs some golfing.
"Pyth, 34 31 29 27 bytes"
Note: struck through 4 is still regular 4 :-(
@quartata I do think 2 retracted upvotes and 10 downvotes is a bit harsh for an otherwise nice challenge, just because the input format is too restrictive.
@Dennis I agree.
Since things to avoid when writing challenges is a thing, first challenges of new users get flooded with downvotes if they don't adhere to it.
5:24 PM
I honestly hope that meta post isn't the reason why this keeps happening.
New users don't browse meta, you can't possibly expect them to know
I wish we could just suggest "don't use tough input formats in your next challenge" and just let it slide...
I'm pretty sure it is.
I added my first AutoReviewComment from my own!
###[A] Struck out 44 is still regular 44
Struck out 44 is still regular 44 ;(
5:44 PM
20 minutes of silence.
Also, YWOT is back. Go wild.
Also, finally obtained Kiwix with Simple English Wikipedia!
Q: Find the area of a polygon

soktinpkGiven consecutive side lengths s1, s2, s3... s_n of an n-gon inscribed in a circle, find its area. You may assume that such a polygon exists and is unique. Built-ins that specifically solves this challenge are banned, but if it solves most of this challenge (but not all), it is fine. For example,...

@flawr look at X: -4 Y: 1! I engraved something on our praise!
@EasterlyIrk register on Your World of Text so I can make you a member.
6:11 PM
The Wiki-Link Game is designed to waste time - to fill those idle moments when you can't think of another article that needs writing, can't find a stub that you would like to expand, and it's too soon to make another cup of coffee. If you are lucky it might also provide an interesting random walk and lead to fresh corners of Wikipedia that you had never thought of exploring. === Wiki-Link Rules === Pick a whole number between 1 and ... well, anything you like really, but something less than 10 and more than 3 is likely to give best results. If this is your first time playing, try picking the number...
So, the premise is: you click Random article on the left, then read and follow random links. It's enjoyable.
@zyabin101 Someone left a note underneath
@QPaysTaxes ಠ_ಠ to those who did.
@zyabin101 For once it actually wasn't me
Which makes me sad, because I wanted to write something like it :P
regarding the newest cyclic n-gon question on the site
I don't think it can be solved algebraically?
I did some searching for formulas, and it seems that our formulas we know stop at like n = 7
Well, the fact that it's inscribed in a circle is a huge help. You can use two consecutive lengths to calculate the center, and then from there calculate the area that's covered by the two triangles involved. Just work your way around the circle, sum up all the triangles, and divide by two to get the final answer.
6:24 PM
> You can use two consecutive lengths to calculate the center
you can't
two consecutive lengths do not define the circumscribed circle, without knowing the angle at which those two length lie
...oh right. Drat.
Wow, this guy got pissy fast. [paraphrased] People: "In general, if you change from the status quo with no good reason, people get annoyed" Him: "Alright so you guys like bashing people, not solving problems. Gotcha. [overly dramatic declaration of intent to leave]"
he didn't even say he was leaving either
it was an overly dramatic declaration that he wouldnt post another question
Does this look ready to post?:
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

DowngoatRandomly Spell A Word Wrong code-golf string random Inspired by this CR question Spec What the probabilities of misspelling a word are: 50% of the time don't change the output 25% of the time remove a random character 25% of the time duplicate a random character The chance for removing/du...

6:39 PM
the example with AA isn't quite clear
oh wait it is
@Downgoat Of oouree, do tt!
(Of course, do it!)
in the examples section you could clarify again that each line should appear with the same probability (except the first one)
also, the lists should be complete
yeah it looks like he forgot about character deletion on the first example
"The input will only contain (printable) ASCII characters for simplicity. Newlines may exist and should be treated as any other character." Newlines aren't printable ASCII.
also you've written the part about printable ASCII twice
@poi830 Good point. Very similar things, though.
6:42 PM
and I'm not sure what the "what" is doing in the first sentence :)
Oh, speaking of which, I need to figure out how to make my GoL KOTH work
@MartinBüttner okay, I've added that
@MartinBüttner oh :|
@Downgoat does requiring it to work with all of ASCII (including unprintables) add anything? wouldn't letters be enough?
@MartinBüttner yeah, but I don't see how it really matters, as I doubt any solution would actually only work with letters
Ooh, should I make a challenge for writing a story with DTMCs? Basically, get a corpus, construct a Markov chain from it, and output a story
6:45 PM
that just depends on how compact the notation for markov chains in the language is
@Downgoat some languages might have an easier time reading printable characters, might not be able to deal with null-bytes, or can only read lines at a time. also, some people might want to use unused characters as some sort of marker in the string or whatever, but the first thing is the bigger issue.
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Martin BüttnerFind a leaper that can move freely on the board code-golfgridgraphs This could use a catchier title... I recently got a really weird irregular chess board. It's squares are all over the place and not even all connected. At least they're still laid out on a regular grid. I want to adapt the che...

@MartinBüttner lol
Where is Easterly Irk?
is the title "Un-Spelll Chek a Wurd" clear?
6:50 PM
@Downgoat The title "Un-spell check a word" is clear.
@Downgoat "First line is input, following lines are possible outputs (all outputs have the same probability)" this is a bit ambiguous now, since the first output (unchanged) should have a higher probability. your statement would be technically correct if you said "all lines have the same probability" but that could be confusing. maybe just say "all outputs except the unchanged one have the same probability"?
Hey, it's basically the same!
@Downgoat I preferred the original title.
Or "Randomly misspell a word"
@MartinBüttner doesn't the unchanged output have the same probability?
is there a way to get a random element of a set in pyth and modify it
without changing the entire set
6:53 PM
@poi830 Yeah, and it's half a character long.
(I don't actually know)
@poi830 O
that takes a random element
yeah, then you can modify it
but if you for example try =hOJ
where J is [1,2]
wait one second
if you look at this program
it sets j to 1 or 3
instead of setting j[0] to 1 or j[1] to 3
@AlexA. Out of curiosity, why was codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/36876 deleted? It's obviously a dupe, but why delete?
It's in my bookmarks, and now I can see deleted things 8)
7:04 PM
Hey Cat
Hi c:
Hello cat.
(Curiosity killed the cat, so stop asking questions, @cat, before you get killed!)
...but satisfaction brought it back.
"Curiosity killed the cat" is a proverb used to warn of the dangers of unnecessary investigation or experimentation. A less frequently-seen rejoinder to "curiosity killed the cat" is "but satisfaction brought it back". The original form of the proverb, now little used, was "Care killed the cat". In this instance, "care" was defined as "worry" or "sorrow." == Origin == The earliest printed reference to the original proverb is attributed to the British playwright Ben Jonson in his 1598 play, Every Man in His Humour, which was performed first by William Shakespeare. ...Helter skelter, hang sorrow...
7:11 PM
@You I would be honoured to be run over by a Mars rover :P
@cat :P.
Apparently, the original really meant something more like "Worry/sorrow killed the cat".
Seems legit
7:13 PM
So, guys, what should I put for my senior quote?
I was thinking this one, by Charlie Chaplin:
> So long and thanks for all the fish.
@El'endiaStarman YES!!!!!
Obviously, THGTTG
how could you resist?
@cat No acronyms allowed
7:14 PM

(NAA for short.)
@cat wat
@You NFS for shorter
it was meant to be, like, blowing a "raspberry", y'know? no? ok
user image
lov calvin & hobbes
7:15 PM
I wanted to use "There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach." but it was too long
there are at least 10 volumes of C&H behind me right now
@QPaysTaxes Maybe you can use something similar from Lord of the Rings. I think Sam said something similar.
@cat Behind me lies a wall of which I'm leaning on. Was it not there, I would fall off my house and die. :)
@El'endiaStarman I tried to find it but couldn't
@You What's that from?
7:17 PM
i have a good one
@cat Me. :)
@cat You
@You Behind me lies a table that I constantly hit my head on because there are too many people here and I got stuck with the DIY couch
ooh, poetic
"Born too late to explore the Earth, born too soon to explore the Galaxy. Born just in time to explore dank memes"
7:17 PM
@poi830 It's gonna be reviewed by an old man who thinks that "meme" means "sex"
wait what
o h
Every senior quote is personally reviewed to ensure appropriateness by an old man who doesn't know what all these modern words mean
@QPaysTaxes Because meme = porn. Logic! :P
@You 100%
7:18 PM
You mean 69%
@QPaysTaxes Wait, this is from Lord of the Rings!
@El'endiaStarman Um. Yes, it is.
Where did you think it was from?
6 mins ago, by QPaysTaxes
I was thinking this one, by Charlie Chaplin:
@El'endiaStarman The joke there was that there wasn't a quote
7:19 PM
@El'endiaStarman LOGIC!
Because he's a silent film star
His quotes would be "BONK! [laugh track]"
No reason the actor couldn't have said something...
But anyway, that explains why it seemed so familiar.
Fair point
I now have more rep than my coding teacher.
Oh, how about "There's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it's worth fighting for."
7:21 PM
My programming teacher's jealous of the fact I have a Stack Exchange account :P
can he not afford one?
Or "But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer."
@cat ok you win ಠ_ಠ
@QPaysTaxes Both of these are good choices.
And seriously, +1 for using LotR as your source material. :D
7:22 PM
wait i have a better quote
"ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ"
It's my favorite series
other than Twilight
I mean what
"Some people have told me they don't think a fat penguin really embodies the grace of Linux, which just tells me they have never seen an angry penguin charging at them in excess of 100 mph"
@poi830 I'm not a mod any more so I can't ding you for this, but that's seriously not cool.
@poi830 @Mego can confirm?
7:24 PM
oh i was joking because they are free i didnt even realize
> If you need more than 3 levels of indentation, you're screwed anyway, and should fix your program. - Linus Torvalds
@ChrisJester-Young ?
> If Microsoft ever does applications for Linux it means I've won. - Linus Torvalds
oh, do we not like dongers here anymore? I recall something about that
7:26 PM
Okay so since my school has weird requirements, this is how it'll be formatted:
In the end, it's only a passing thing,
this shadow. Even darkness must pass.
A new day will come. And when the sun
shines, it will shine out the clearer.
  -Samwise Gamgee, Lord of the Rings
It's either that or the Torvalds quote above
text wrapping is usually a curse; smart text-wrapping is a blessing
Torvalds' quote is stupid
as is most of what he says, really
> When you say, "I wrote a program that crashed Windows," people just stare at you blankly and say, "Hey, I got those with the system, for free."
@Fatalize Yeah but he's Linux's Benevolent Dictator For Life -- he's abrasive and doesn't care
@Cyoce my favourite thing ever
> I'm an egotistical bastard, and I name all my projects after myself. First Linux, now git. - Linus Torvalds
7:32 PM
Samwise it is
Hard to memorize imgur.com/gallery/jBODW
@zyabin101 Random infographic on Imgur for the day.
@TheNumberOne I saw somewhere he quipped "git stands for Global Information Transfer when it does what you want, and gigantic insolent trash when it doesn't" or something
I can't find it anymore... to the chrome://history!
- "global information tracker": you're in a good mood, and it actually
   works for you. Angels sing, and a light suddenly fills the room.
 - "goddamn idiotic truckload of sh*t": when it breaks
Git (/ɡɪt/) is a widely used source code management system for software development. It is a distributed revision control system with an emphasis on speed, data integrity, and support for distributed, non-linear workflows. Git was initially designed and developed in 2005 by Linux kernel developers (including Linus Torvalds) for Linux kernel development. As with most other distributed version control systems, and unlike most client–server systems, every Git working directory is a full-fledged repository with complete history and full version-tracking capabilities, independent of network access or...
> Your problem has nothing to do with git, and everything to do with emacs. And then you have the gall to talk about "Unix design" and not gumming programs together, when you yourself use the most gummed-up piece of absolute sh*t there is! -- Linus Torvalds
@zyabin101 I gotta ask... if you're a *nx user and programmer, how haven't you memorised those yet?
@cat This is how the image is called.
I'm actually good at memorizing some of the commands.
I just copied the link from mobile Imgur into chat, without removing the title.
hey code jam folks, go-hero.net is updated
remember to hard-reload, as many things are getting cached
I only got it on third try.
I entered .com instead of .net the first two times XP
7:46 PM
This TED Talk was pretty interesting. In essence, the increase in smartness is much like why soldiers have become more precise with their shots: their weaponry has gotten better and more precise. We are capable of thinking in ways that would have been entirely unfamiliar, or even impossible, for people only a hundred years ago.
I solved it
A: Find the area of a polygon

orlpPython 3, 171 bytes from math import* r=lambda C,l,h,*_:h-l>1e-9and r(C,*[l,(l+h)/2,h][sum(asin(c/(l+h))for c in C)>pi:])or l a=lambda C:sum(c*sqrt(r(C,max(C)/2,sum(C))**2-c*c/4)/2for c in C) Uses a binary search of chord angles to find the radius, then calculates the area of each segment by t...

@Downgoat tried to clarify the examples a bit. feel free to roll back if you don't like it.
ηελπ μυ κευβοαρδ ισ στθψκ ιν γρεεκ μοδε
translate: ηελπ μυ κευβοαρδ ισ στθψκ ιν γρεεκ μοδε
(from Greek) ielp muscle keyboard currency stthpsk in greek mode
now I see
clean: ielp muscle keyboard currency stthpsk in greek mode
help muscle keyboard currently stuck in greek mode
@Cyoce Does Ctrl-Shift work? Or Shift-LeftAlt?
7:54 PM
It's a transliteration, actually. Letter-for-letter. :P
ςαιτ Ι ηαωε αν ιδεα
using psi for c in ck seems a bit odd :P
ctrl+cmd+space worked.
Ew, Mac
θ for u is not really better
7:57 PM
@MartinBüttner It's a keyboard layout change, not transliteration
So whatever keys are there, are there
@QPaysTaxes Transliteration is word-for-word translation, but is there a specific word for letter-for-letter "translation"? I don't think there is one.
@El'endiaStarman Transliteration.
At least, the Latin root means "across alphabets"

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