The Nineteenth Byte - 2016-04-09 (page 13 of 16)

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7:00 PM

@Optimizer strawpoll.me/7326435

What even is a Helka Homba anyway

@Optimizer I left the room for 4 seconds and that went from 1 star to 5

Icy fox I think

Yes :|

@Fatalize It explains in his profile

7:01 PM

>"Helka Homba" is a portmanteau of some of my other favorite things:

"Helka" is an elvish word for "icy" or "ice-cold" in Tolkien's legendarium. The Lord of the Rings and its related works are some of my favorite stories.
"Homba" is a word that means "fox" in the Lapine language of the rabbits in the book Watership Down, another one of my favorites.
Put them together and you get "Helka Homba" or "icy fox". Appropriate because perhaps my favorite animal is the arctic fox.

@AlexA. oh, enough with the strawpolls... strawpoll.me/7326452

@HelkaHomba 8

@AlexA. not within the 4 seconds

Ah true

mfw when English steals the word portemanteau but removes one letter from some reason

7:02 PM

I actually prefer "Helka Homba."

@HelkaHomba In biggest city in my country. Lights everywhere. ಠ_ಠ into the blank night sky

@quartata downstars

@quartata downgoats

@HelkaHomba do you live in mountains?

@Fatalize The majority of English words are stolen with a letter removed :)

7:03 PM

> Showing results for portmanteau

> Search instead for portemanteau

@Fatalize Well French just has too many vowels...

5

@trichoplax Like "colour"

;)

@AlexA. and silent ending consonants..

From coloure?

@Fatalize it was probably never pronounced anyway..

7:04 PM

@trichoplax no, from coulour

@Optimizer no actually :/

At least it doesn't have ten kazillion ways to pronounce the combination ea

@trichoplax Just like code golf, you steal an algorithm from another with a byte removed

Let's not argue, I'm sure all our languages could benefit from a little golfing...

@Fatalize 6 =\= ten kazillion

7:05 PM

@Fatalize I pronounce it "challenge everything"

Three?*

I'm not arguing. I actually like the French language. I took intensive French in university which crammed a year's worth of material into 9 weeks.

It just objectively has too many vowels. :P

bear, fear, create, earth, hearth

there are probably some more

That class was brutal, by the way. 5 hour class periods 5 days a week with an exam every other day. :|

@Fatalize Oh shit you're right, I never even thought of that.

that's the worst part of learning English

7:07 PM

@trichoplax Tried to make a weak joke about British English

I always thought Realm was pronounced like Real with an m at the end, but nope, would be too sensible

The major criticism I've heard of English is that pronunciation doesn't usually follow directly from spelling.

@quartata Going to color? That was going to be my second guess... :)

@Fatalize english.stackexchange.com/q/74458/118383

@Fatalize beautiful

7:09 PM

Whereas in German you can basically pronounce any word after learning basic rules

@trichoplax yes

I love that English doesn't have gendered nouns and stuff though.

^

^^

definitely

7:10 PM

At least our genders make sense

In german the word for girl is neutral

Unlike German

@Adnan Does Dutch have gendered nouns?

Yes

@Fatalize haha what

@Fatalize I can safely assure you that they do not

7:10 PM

@Fatalize ._.

@Fatalize ..OK that is weird

Indonesian pronouns are all gender-neutral. One pronoun for "he/she" is "dia"

I actually thought Japanese was an easier language to learn than French. It's simpler in a lot of regards, particularly in how spelling to pronunciation is 1-1.

@AlexA. Any language that uses a logographic alphabet is objectively harder

It's hell if you don't know how Indonesian names work, but you get used to it

7:12 PM

But kanji is the worst thing ever.

@Fatalize The English word girl has only become gendered in modern times - it used to just mean a baby of either gender

From what I know Japanese is fairly easy, excluding the written part

@Sherlock9 Do Indonesian names include some indication of gender?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Skype crashed again, gimme a bit

@AlexA. writing or in gen?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

7:12 PM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ kk

@Fatalize Writing is pretty easy too with the exception of kanji

Indonesian is mostly phonetic except for recent loan words. Older loan words tend to have the spelling changed

@Optimizer Reading and writing.

oh, so simplified japanese is simple?

@AlexA. Some but not all

7:13 PM

Oh, okay

Japanese conjugation is a joke from what I remember

@Optimizer What's simplified Japanese?

Javanese names have things like "Kurniawan" for male and "Kurniawati" for female

what is japanese other than kanji?

Hiragana and katakana

7:13 PM

Katakana and hiragana

so one of them

bushido'd

should be simple

Hiragana and katakana are both easy

so - simplified japanese

7:14 PM

Kanji, the characters borrowed from Chinese, are hard

LegionMammal978

How does one swap the top two stack elements in Pyke?

Each can have different, multi-syllable pronunciations depending on context.

@LegionMammal978 Carefully

@LuisMendo Cracked=)

5-5 on strawpoll overusing

But Indonesia is a mix of about 200 different cultures across hundreds of islands. There is no single naming convention. We picked a version of Malay out of many, many languages to be the Indonesian language because it was the lingua franca for merchants, not because everyone spoke it

7:16 PM

11-0 on bringing back CH poll

even @HelkaHomba voted yes

7

strawpoll.me/7326651

And I say that Indonesian is phonetic, but the old Dutch-style spelling was pretty confusing

@LegionMammal978 R might be able to do it

strawpoll.me/7326452/r

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

7:17 PM

yeah

I just voted to untie

We changed to a simpler spelling system, but a bunch of name retain the old spelling. Our first two presidents are either Soekarno and Soeharto or Sukarno and Suharto, depending on the spelling system

ignore this

go becomes hana?

I do like the golfing in Indonesian spelling now though. Hard c sounds are always k, s sounds are always s and we use c for a ch sound

@Optimizer Yeah

7:20 PM

@Adnan could you tell me what you think of my language?

@muddyfish You really need to add a command to dump an array onto the stack

@LegionMammal978 even

So the Indonesian word for light, "cahaya" is pronounced like "cha-ha-ya". Simple

@AlexA. you wrote 2 different characters there (語 and 話)

@quartata Thats X

7:21 PM

@Sherlock9 ch as in check or as in loch?

@muddyfish Oh

@muddyfish It's a really nice language, and not hard to use (like Jelly)

Though I suppose it's analogous to "read" vs. "read," where they're spelled the same but one is present tense and one is past tense and they're pronounced differently.

@aditsu Whoa, I did. I always thought they were the same kanji, I didn't even notice that.

Also why is it pronounce and pronunciation?

LegionMammal978

@muddyfish Just look at all the hacks ;p It was mainly because s errors with a single argument, so I had to put 0 on the stack.

7:22 PM

@Fatalize Respectively, those sound would be c and k

@LegionMammal978 ]2X will do swap

@LegionMammal978 Yes, that got me stuck

@Sherlock9 pronunciation was long back pronounciation only.. or i think its british vs american

@Adnan Thanks! Though I'm most proud of the source code for it github.com/muddyfish/PYKE

@muddyfish That's some nice looking source you have there. :)

7:23 PM

@AlexA. I think you're right in general though, there are cases of different pronunciation for the same character (in Japanese)

@LegionMammal978 That's the only reason I chose to put the s in the template; so you wouldn't be able to do a hack like that

@aditsu Yeah, I know there are examples, that just wasn't one. :P

@muddyfish And organised :p

LegionMammal978

@muddyfish But I still did ;)

@Fatalize I don't think anyone likes white sandwich bread like that.

7:24 PM

@muddyfish +1 for 4-space indents

LegionMammal978

Also:

I used a plugin-like system like one of my other projects

LegionMammal978

echo/* does n%3=0 */$argv[1]%3<1?1:0    ;

@AlexA. 4 space indents are objectively wrong

They take up twice the space

+ the cops+robbers lets me make others use it ;)

7:24 PM

@muddyfish 9/10 for using spaces. But you lost 1/10 for not using JS.

@quartata 2 space indents take up twice the space as 1 space indents

:(

@AlexA. But 1 space indents make it unreadable

@muddyfish You get +1000 in my book for not using JS

4 space indent is just too much whitespace

7:25 PM

@AlexA. ... does that mean cheddar gets a +0 for being coded in JS

@quartata I only use 2 space indent when what I'm doing stuff with REALLY long lines/indent

@AlexA. ...

@Downgoat ;)

@Downgoat yes

;_;

7:25 PM

I use 2 space indents for Ruby where I guess that's the standard

@AlexA. It is? Wow, I should learn to appreciate Ruby more.

@AlexA. But JavaScript should get +2000 for being coded in C++

I don't think I could ever use Go though; I won't be forced to use tabs against my will.

I feel like I'm using Far Far too much magic in the source though

@quartata and that's why you should use tabs! :)

7:26 PM

It sounds like the perfect language for me. Perl with better OO, 2 space indents, a little functional programming...

like github.com/muddyfish/PYKE/blob/master/nodes.py

__double__underscores__ everywhere

is there any free thing that lets me run a node server?

Not a single comment

Nice

@aditsu no pls

LegionMammal978

@AlexA. 1 space indents take up ∞ times the space as U+FEFF ZERO WIDTH NO-BREAK SPACE indents

7:27 PM

@AlexA. that's why he's so proud

Haha

@AlexA. I think I have one somewhere

...

maybe?

> // TODO - add more comments

Damn, even o.c has comments.

They're not very good comments mind you

But they're there

LegionMammal978

v

7:28 PM

I have docstrings though

lots and lots of them

LegionMammal978

^

Oh, that's good.

This reminds me of the SO thread about the best comments people have seen

@phase what happens when you have to actually change something in o.c anyways

> long long ago; // in a galaxy far far away

7:29 PM

@quartata o.c?

I especially like the one where it's a huge, huge program and the only comment is "I did this the other way"

@zyabin101 github.com/phase/o/blob/master/o.c

@zyabin101 The source file for the programming language O

I'm getting my documentation by scraping the docstrings from the nodes

Just realized Google Code Jam was on D:

7:30 PM

@BentNeeHumor Are you joining? If so, username?

@BentNeeHumor TNO!! you too??

LegionMammal978

@zyabin101 How does one join?

@zyabin101 TheNumberOne

LegionMammal978

nvm

@LegionMammal978 With this: ⨝

7:31 PM

uhh am I hallucinating or did I just lose 10 rep?

There's nothing in the reputation tab

@quartata upvote redacted

Right but an unupvote would show in the reputation tab and the notifications

This is just "I thought this said 6,038 now it says 6,028"

Reader error

@quartata yeah, but if someone upvoted in past.. you would have forgotten the notification

LegionMammal978

Wait, what?

7:33 PM

@Fatalize wud is "this"

LegionMammal978

> All communications between Google and you, including the Contest website and email communications, will be in English.

@LegionMammal978 From here, I believe code.google.com/codejam

@Optimizer Did you mean: upvote corrected

what what?

LegionMammal978

I only understand l33tsp3ak

7:33 PM

@LegionMammal978 What?

@zyabin101 retracted or something

@LegionMammal978 Oh

@Optimizer It would show

@quartata but show what?

@AlexA. Probably. I'm pretty bad at remembering things

@Optimizer A -10 would appear in the reputation tab.

unupvotes are separate events

7:34 PM

@Optimizer In the reputation tab it shows an event that says "unupvote"

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata not for me

@quartata Not if they happen within the grace period.

I am also pretty sure that I have not gotten un-upvote notification several times

@Dennis This wasn't though.

I think I'm just not remembering this right

How much is a corrected downvote?

7:35 PM

@zyabin101 +2

From this article on Indonesian names: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_names

Now for problem D

+2

@BentNeeHumor ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

>In the U.S., there are generally three ways to deal with person with only single-word name.

Use his/her name as his/her surname, then the official records (ID or Driving Licenses or school records) added FNU (or Fnu) as their first name. This can lead to a false belief that Fnu is a common Indonesian first name.
Use his/her name as his/her first name, then the official records (ID or Driving Licenses or school records) added LNU (or Lnu) as their surname. This can also lead to another false belief that Lnu is a common Indonesian surname. In some cases "FNU" will be added after the name, t…

2

7:36 PM

@Sherlock9 I think you are 10 topics behind!

@Downgoat It's not that hard :P

I forgot to post it earlier

And I wanted to share the joke XD

So your name is Sherlock F9U ?

@BentNeeHumor what algorithm did you use

I already have one figured out.

7:37 PM

@Downgoat so ... this is how you are participating?

@Optimizer ಠ_ಠ

@Downgoat But I'm not telling you :P

no

@BentNeeHumor ;_;

you totally are

@Optimizer I am trying but that doesn't mean I am

7:37 PM

@Optimizer All three of my names are Western, because my dad is American and I got his last name, and my parents picked a Western first and middle names

@Downgoat Try brute force <Troll Face>

you are trying but it doesnt mean you are trying?

also, unless you seek to be in top positions, its probably just for fun and you should give it your all on your own..

@Sherlock9 What is someones real name is Fnu Lnu?

@Sherlock9 Sherlock B Holmes?

@BentNeeHumor for #3 I tried a generate all permutations+filter but that didn't work within a reasonable time frame...

7:39 PM

@flawr Too much recursion error

@Downgoat You might be trying people's patience :P

> patrience

patriotic patience

The SpaceX barge is called Of Course I Still love You

@HelkaHomba Just like we said to you after you changed your name

7

7:40 PM

@AlexA. I didn't

@HelkaHomba I still have no idea how they chose that name...

Their other one is Just read the instructions

@flawr ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

spirit, curiosity and opportunity are some of the best names in context

@Downgoat Do you mean #4 ?

7:42 PM

@Downgoat Let's assume they were drunk. And one of them thought it was a good idea to name a ship after the last message he sent to his ex.

@Optimizer Nope. I tell people on Discord my name, but not here where it's a matter of public record

A buch of the smartest scientists sitting in a board room brainstorming names
Scientist A: What should we name our revolutionary rocket landing system?
Scientist B" "Of course I still love you!"
All Scientists: Brilliant!

@BentNeeHumor yes

@flawr that would have resulted in much much grosser name

"come to me baby"

ಠ_ಠ Don't think we didn't see what that was before you edited it

(also the edit history is available)

@Optimizer Let's assume they were slightly tipsy.

7:45 PM

@flawr "wife's not at home"

@Optimizer That's gonna be the next one.

@AlexA. i am not trying to hide it. would have deleted it otherwise.. that's the best non-mods can do

Well the first one also had a real nice name:

user image

@flawr maybe if they land a different rocket on to it next time.

Apparently the first time someone did not read the instructions^^

7:48 PM

or they started reading the instructions instead of finishing the landing towards the very end when the text became readable enough

ok, I'm done :)

@aditsu With code jam?

yeah

> With code ham!

lol

I hope I didn't make any mistake in the larges

7:50 PM

Which language did you use?

CJam?

I used 8 languages :p

._.

Which ones?

how many questions are there?

CJam, C, SQL, groovy, haskell, js, pascal, golfscript (no particular order)

@Optimizer 4

7:52 PM

how does code jam know how to compile cjam?

You used CJam? hahaha

They'll have fun with that

@aditsu Pascal? o_O

What is code jam?

@quartata not my first time

how can you use 8 languages in 4 questions?

7:52 PM

each problem has 2 test cases with different limits

@Optimizer it doesn't

Is code jam similar to traffic jam?

Or to fruit jam?

it just checks if your uploaded output is correct

@Downgoat then..?

@Downgoat oh

CJam is very appropriate for Code Jam actually

7:53 PM

input is unique for users?

Okay, my code passes sample input for #4

@Optimizer I think for the small case they give different inputs to different users; you can also retry if you fail, and you get a different input when you retry

for the large case I'm not sure

so users can simply copy output from other users?

It passes small input.

Let's test large input now :D

@Optimizer if the input is different, the copied output will be wrong

7:57 PM

user image

wat.

btw, small input for #4 is trivial.

Rank: 2311

Score (hopefully): 100

does anyone here have use heroku before?

Yes, but not me :)

I'm pretty sure @Sp3000 has.

oh, you guys and your anagrams ಠ_ಠ

halp, how push heroku, i tri for thirtee minut and no push ;-;

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