The Nineteenth Byte

7:00 PM

I think we should be basing this off of "voting theory"

@TimmyD right, but what if people want a custom set of points? and in both of those cases, how does that work when groups aren't necessarily the same size

PhiNotPi

although it's normally used to describe a physical election, in our case the matches are the "voters"

Nathan Merrill

oooh, I like that system

I'm definitely going to implement that

PhiNotPi

and each "vote" is an incomplete ordering of candidates based on the results of the match

RikerW

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ github.com/ConorOBrien-Foxx/Assorted-Programming-Languages/blob/…

> oration.py

TimmyD

7:01 PM

@NathanMerrill But you don't need a custom set of points, because the points are internal mechanisms to keep track of "how many move to the next stage"

RikerW

TimmyD

The "how many move to the next stage" is the tweakable value.

PhiNotPi

and there's a really good table of properties here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

(the different criteria are listed above the table)

Nathan Merrill

@TimmyD but I'm not the one making the KoTH, so the person making the KoTH should be able to tweak how much "2nd" place counts

TimmyD

Why would that matter? If 3 players move on, and the scores are [150,10,2,1,0] or the scores are [5,4,3,2,1], still the top three players are moving on.

PhiNotPi

7:04 PM

The "point system" (aka Borda count) violates some important properties.

Nathan Merrill

it matters with multiple iterations

RikerW

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ oration file extension?

I am thinking .or if you don't have one.?

Adnan

@Dennis Can you pull 05AB1E?

Dennis

Done.

Adnan

Thanks :)

Geobits

7:07 PM

@PhiNotPi ^ If you've got to do eliminations (probably time constraints), I like something like this.

TimmyD

@PhiNotPi I'm not following what would be wrong with that system for playing games.

RikerW

@Geobits nice rainbow paper. :P

Geobits

Nice terrible white balance, more likely :P

TimmyD

Time to upgrade your potato.

trichoplax

@PhiNotPi Sounds fascinating - I'm going to need to spend some time reading :)

Geobits

7:10 PM

Nah, it's mainly bad lighting. I bumped the contrast before posting to make it more legible. Side effects ftw.

The potato itself is great and does all things.

TimmyD

Yes. Aqua Tart is pretty great.

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Q: Calculate π(n) [fastest-code]

Calculate π(n) π(n) is the number of primes less than or equal to n. Input: a natural number, n. Output: π(n). Scoring: This is a fastest-code challenge. Score will be the sum of times for the score cases. I will time each entry on my computer. Rules and Details Your code should work f...

Geobits

Borda count sounds a lot like Mario Kart points >_>

TimmyD

Ugh. The previous Exchange admin here was an idiot. I'm trying to unravel this excessively-nested LDAP filter that leads off with 25 { before a bunch of conditionals.

Completely unrolled, so each {, }, and condition are all on their own lines, it's almost 200 lines long

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@RikerW I thought of .ora, but that works, too! :D

Helka Homba

7:24 PM

Why do phone companies force you to call them for certain services? Not exactly helpful if your phone is having issues or you don't have a phone...

@Geobits And Jeez, do you live in a prism?

Geobits

Yes. Quite pricey, but totally worth it.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

Roujo

That chromatic aberration =D

PhiNotPi

@TimmyD Well, to be more specific, you have to first define what properties you want it to have.

Roujo

Does anyone know of a good SourceTree alternative? Their latest updates kind of messed things up, and I'm looking for a way out =P

Using GitKraken atm, looks nice enough but I'm looking for more data ^^

RikerW

7:29 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/55422/hello-world/…

0

A: "Hello, World!"

Oration, 38 bytes listen capture Hello, World! that's it Fun to write.

PhiNotPi

If you want the property "If there's contestants (A,B,C) and A finishes above B > 50% of the time, and A finished above C > 50% of the time, then A should be crowned champion" then that's not always satisfied.

TimmyD

Really? That seems ... not right.

El'endia Starman

Is it not possible that C could finish above A > 50% of the time?

PhiNotPi

B,A,C
B,A,C
B,A,C
C,A,B
C,A,B
C,A,B
A,B,C

Using the point system (3,1,0), B has 10, A has 9, C has 9.

Even though the record is A 4 - 3 B and A 4 - 3 C

TimmyD

class Mind{ get{return = blown}}

Nathan Merrill

7:34 PM

@PhiNotPi This is why I would want customizable points if I were to do a point system

PhiNotPi

The problem is that there's no "right" point system that avoids all the issues.

Nathan Merrill

well, it depends on your goals

PhiNotPi

Although, you can favor specific things over others.

El'endia Starman

I remember learning about that problem back in high school, I think. Arrow's Theorem or something?

PhiNotPi

Yeah, that's it.

Nathan Merrill

7:36 PM

because fairness is not definable, perhaps the person thinks that a point system is the most fair

El'endia Starman

Arrow's impossibility theorem

In social choice theory, Arrow's impossibility theorem, the General Possibility Theorem or Arrow's paradox is an Impossibility theorem stating that when voters have three or more distinct alternatives (options), no ranked order voting system can convert the ranked preferences of individuals into a community-wide (complete and transitive) ranking while also meeting a pre-specified set of criteria. These pre-specified criteria are called unrestricted domain, non-dictatorship, Pareto efficiency, and independence of irrelevant alternatives. The theorem is often cited in discussions of voting theory...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@RikerW oh I forgot to do oration in hw :P

El'endia Starman

> In short, the theorem states that no rank-order voting system can be designed that always satisfies these three "fairness" criteria:
- If every voter prefers alternative X over alternative Y, then the group prefers X over Y.
- If every voter's preference between X and Y remains unchanged, then the group's preference between X and Y will also remain unchanged (even if voters' preferences between other pairs like X and Z, Y and Z, or Z and W change).
- There is no "dictator": no single voter possesses the power to always determine the group's preference.

Cyoce

Considering changing name to Cyಠce

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman I read In short... and see (see full text) and I'm like Nope.

TimmyD

7:38 PM

This is fascinating stuff, but I'll readily admit my ignorance. First I've encountered something like this (curse my "pure math" background ;-) hehe)

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ The (see full text) is completely useless.

PhiNotPi

There's literally no more text.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman o_O

TimmyD

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ "TL/DR - You can't win. Haha."

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PhiNotPi

7:40 PM

@El'endiaStarman Generally speaking, point #2 is the one that can be "reasonably violated"

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@TimmyD Ah.

I made regex golf problems!

El'endia Starman

It's really rather interesting how in almost every area of life (specifically, STEM fields), there's some form of the "you can't win" theorem. Math - Gödel's Incompleteness Theorems, Computing - the Halting Problem, Physics - Heisenberg's uncertainty principle and the laws of thermodynamics, voting systems - Arrow's impossibility theorem, etc...

TimmyD

@El'endiaStarman TIL -- God's a dick. ;-)

El'endia Starman

HEY NOW...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

ಠ_ಠ

PhiNotPi

7:43 PM

I could almost feel the gloves come off.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I CHALLENGE YOU, SIR, TO A DUEL.

PhiNotPi

7/10 with rice

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

slap, slap

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PhiNotPi

Like, if you have two candidates "Rock" and "Paper", then obviously Paper is better. But, as soon as you introduce candidate Scissors, then Rock and Paper are now equal to each other.

Liam

and scissors sucks?

PhiNotPi

7:45 PM

Well, scissors is equal as well.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

"Paper covers rock!" THWACK "Rock punches through your paper, and OHHH THAT'S A SKULL FRACTURE FOR SURE!"

PhiNotPi

But the point is that adding in more contestants can change the order of the rest of them. It's never as simple as inserting it into an existing list.

TimmyD

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I didn't mean to offend. Sorry if I did.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@TimmyD You're forgiven ^_^

PhiNotPi

grabs pasta strainer

... hmm, I was anticipating a glaring face for that

Nathan Merrill

7:49 PM

another design question: lets say your games support 10 players, but there are 17 players total

should I always run games in multiples of 170?

even if the user said 100?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@PhiNotPi It was vague.

El'endia Starman

Why 170? Were you thinking every possible 10-player group from 17?

PhiNotPi

^ 170 doesn't do anything special, does it?

feersum

Clearly you must run them in batches of 19448.

TimmyD

lcm(10,17)=170

PhiNotPi

7:51 PM

you'd need 17 choose 10

feersum

Otherwise it's totally unfair.

PhiNotPi

There's probably a way to do better than random samples, though.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Fix the system.

PhiNotPi

Assuming that 19448 games is too many.

El'endia Starman

That's an interesting math question. What's the best sample of those 19448?

feersum

7:53 PM

You could have preliminary matches like the World Cup or something.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

19448 * 2 / PI

feersum

Advancing to a final round of 10.

Maltysen

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ a non-integer number of matches?

PhiNotPi

Maybe we can look at... if players A and B haven't been in many rounds together, then we should intentionally add them to a round together.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Maltysen Of course not. The result is casted to a float! ;)

El'endia Starman

7:54 PM

What's the fewest groupings needed to ensure that we get every X > Y pair at least once and the same amount of times?

17? A rolling grouping.

TimmyD

@Maltysen IEEE 754 is good enough for anything

Lynn

@Geobits Nice handwriting

PhiNotPi

We could shuffle + rolling groups, and repeat for more samples.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

//0-0\\

Liam

(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

Nathan Merrill

7:59 PM

@El'endiaStarman 170 because its the lcm of the two numbers

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

ರೃ_ಠ

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill But why use the LCM?

TimmyD

17 choose 10, with a twist that players can't be chosen more than X times? Wouldn't necessarily get every combination, but with a suitable randomness might be pretty decent.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

cಃ

Nathan Merrill

I'm doing random sampling in such a way that ensures every player gets the same amount of games

feersum

8:00 PM

170 is the least that gives the same number of games for each player, right?

Nathan Merrill

yes

El'endia Starman

Ah, okay, that makes sense. Random is probably not the best way to go about it though.

feersum

But the question was, can you have the same number of games with both A and B for all A,B

Nathan Merrill

@El'endiaStarman why not?

PhiNotPi

10 players in a match: 45 pairs. 17 players total = 136 pairs

Helka Homba

8:01 PM

How is that duck thing so popular? (No offence Alex)

El'endia Starman

Wait, isn't that basically the same as a vertex/edge(?) cover of K17?

Maltysen

lcm(45, 136)?

PhiNotPi

gives 6120

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill Isn't guaranteed to be "uniform", in a sense.

PhiNotPi

We want something that gives the same overall result as taking random samples, but with less work.

TimmyD

8:04 PM

return 4;

El'endia Starman

Or to put it another way, we want to get approximately the same result as a billion random samples, but with a deterministic set.

Nathan Merrill

@El'endiaStarman ah, I think I didn't communicate my method well enough. I take an array of players, shuffle it, and use the first N players in game 1, the next N players in game 2

Maltysen

@NathanMerrill right, but you're not guaranteed the same uniformity that you are with a billion

Nathan Merrill

uniformity of what?

number of games played?

Maltysen

players in each game

El'endia Starman

8:06 PM

Oh, probably need a couple questions answered: 1) are these matches a free-for-all? and 2) are ties possible?

Nathan Merrill

1, 2) doesn't matter

feersum

Can multiple instances of a player be in teh same game?

Nathan Merrill

@feersum up to the game to decide

PhiNotPi

Maybe here's a better description. We have 17 players and a game that take only 10. There's 17 choose 10 = 19448 games to be played for the "real" result. We can get an approximation by taking a random sample of 100 or so games, but is there a better way to choose those 100 or so games than random samples?

Nathan Merrill

@PhiNotPi the only optimization I can see is to ensure that each of the players plays the same amount of games

TimmyD

8:10 PM

That's where I was aiming with the suggestion "players can only play X times before they're removed from the potential player pool"

Maltysen

@NathanMerrill there's also considering that each pair gets used the same number of times

El'endia Starman

I think 17 games might suffice. [i:(i+10)%17] for i in [0..17)

Maltysen

you can generalize this to triplets, etc. all the way to groups of 10, which is what choose(17,10) is

El'endia Starman

Actually, no, that won't get all pairings.

TimmyD

Yeah. The more I think through this, the more I think lcm may be the easiest.

It's not the best, but it may be easiest.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

8:13 PM

bai

Nathan Merrill

hmmm, each pair is a good point

feersum

17 is actually enough to get all players in the same number of games.

lcm(17, 10) / 10

Nathan Merrill

oh yeah

bad calculation on my part

PhiNotPi

since the lcm of 45 and 136 is 6120 (relatively prime), then we need 45 games to get an equal number of all the pairs (specifically, this means that the number of pairs played is a multiple of the number of different pairs, not that an assignment exists which actually makes every pair occur equally). Since the number of games needs to be a multiple of 17 for all players to be in an equal number of games, we end up with lcm(45,17) = 765 games

feersum

I have a feeling the assignment probably does exist.

PhiNotPi

8:17 PM

if we only have 45 games, the it's impossible for all players to have been in the same number of games, so the assignment can't exist

Nathan Merrill

I don't think I care about each pair occuring the same amount of times

it makes my code harder to write

feersum

I mean for 765.

TimmyD

Where'd the 136 come from?

PhiNotPi

For 765, I think it would too.

feersum

17 choose 2

PhiNotPi

8:18 PM

The 136 is the number of pairs between 17 players

TimmyD

Ah, gotcha ... (10 choose 2) and (17 choose 2) to determine pairings.

El'endia Starman

@PhiNotPi Wait, why 45 games? 45 is the number of pairs in a single game.

Wait a minute. The minimum number of games is 136, I think!

You can list all 136 pairs of 17 players and use a rolling window of 45 pairs of 10 players!

PhiNotPi

oh, yeah, I should have used 136 games

Although, do you have a visualization of what that list would look like?

El'endia Starman

Wait, no, there's a problem: some pairing groups of the 136 are mutually exclusive. Doggonnit.

PhiNotPi

Although I do think 136 might be right number

feersum

8:32 PM

yes, lcm(10, 17, 45, 136) / 45

xnor

Any suggestions on Output all strings before I post it, in particular with regards to methods for giving infinite output?

9cHeruinr96a

No

El'endia Starman

in Mathematics, 2 mins ago, by Akiva Weinberger

Wait, @El'endiaStarman, what pairings doesn't "cycling through" get?

17 < 2*10, so actually, every pairing is covered, right?

trichoplax

I wonder if there's anything to be said for choosing groups randomly at first, then biasing to pick players who are least convincingly ordered for later groups

So "loses to everyone so far" and "beats everyone so far" are less likely to be chosen than the players inbetween who are in more need of further games to establish an order

El'endia Starman

That's an interesting idea. Not deterministic but might be fastest for really large groups.

Nathan Merrill

8:47 PM

@trichoplax I think ELO would do something like that

trichoplax

@El'endiaStarman Yes I imagine you could construct a set of players for which this would give an incorrect ordering, but I wonder if it would be good enough most of the time, and quicker

TimmyD

Place all players randomly on a dartboard. Randomly throw a dart. That player wins. ;-)

feersum

There's no 'correct' ordering in general, for any reasonable sense.

Nathan Merrill

I really wish other languages had a "yield" keyword

other than python

trichoplax

@NathanMerrill I can't think what ELO stands for.

feersum

8:50 PM

Electric Light Orchestra of course.

El'endia Starman

@trichoplax I can't either, but it's used in chess.

Nathan Merrill

just looked it up, its actually named after a guy

feersum

It's not an acronym, in chess.

trichoplax

@feersum That's precisely what is stopping me from constructing other possibilities :)

Aqua Tart

Yeah it's named after Arpad Elo

El'endia Starman

8:51 PM

...darn those chess people for all-capsing it.

trichoplax

What does Arpad stand for?

Nathan Merrill

anyways, I was thinking if each player had an ELO rating, then you would select a player at random, find all players near his ELO rating (plus or minus Y), and select X of them at random

El'endia Starman

Oh, there's the weekly ping for something I never participate in. ಠ_ಠ

Doorknob

^

Nathan Merrill

lol

Aqua Tart

8:52 PM

The snippet bot team meeting?

El'endia Starman

yeah

trichoplax

@NathanMerrill Ah yes - this is a much more specific and implementable version of my vague idea - that sounds workable

@El'endiaStarman I don't get this anymore...

El'endia Starman

I didn't enter the room this time. Maybe I won't get the ping next week.

TimmyD

A Freudian slip is when you say one thing and mean your mother -- I mean "another" — Lenne yesterday

trichoplax

@El'endiaStarman Oh wait that's something different

Aqua Tart

8:54 PM

@TimmyD hahahaha

Nathan Merrill

has no idea what this snippet bot is

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Q: Output all strings

Given a set of letters, output all strings made of those letters. (This is Kleene star of the set.) For example, for {'a','b'}, the strings are: '', 'a', 'b', 'aa', 'ab', 'ba', 'bb', 'aaa', 'aab', ... Input: A non-empty collection of distinct letters a..z. These may be characters or single-cha...

Nor me

Seriously?

@NathanMerrill Just don't go to the room to find out, or you'll be pinged forever more

Aqua Tart

8:55 PM

It's not like we advertised it literally everywhere or anything sigh

Anonymous

@TimmyD An Oedopan slip is when you say one thing but do your mother

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Aqua Tart

PPCG Code Snippet Chat Bot

Home of Data

trichoplax

My memory is awful. I might just not recall it based on name

feersum

I heard of Data, but have no idea what a "snippert bot" might be.

Aqua Tart

@NewMainPosts oops never fixed pl

trichoplax

8:56 PM

Ah right - the absence of the word "chat" was what made me think I hadn't heard of it.

Aqua Tart

And of course @Doorknob already did the Ruby solution I typed up a week ago...

TimmyD

@Mego That reminds me of my absolute worst Cards Against Humanity play I've ever made -- "An Oedipus Complex: Kid Tested, Mother Approved"

Anonymous

You tell the bot to run code. It runs the code. It tells you the result.

feersum

I understand; "snippet bot" just seems an inapt name to me.

TimmyD

"snipbot"

trichoplax

8:58 PM

@TimmyD please don't abbreviate it any further...!

9cHeruinr96a

They should make a random link on the Rickrolling wikipedia page rickroll you.

Doorknob

@AquaTart I saw the question in my "newest questions" tabs and decided to write a quick Ruby answer :P

Aqua Tart

@Doorknob :/

I'm pretty sure an infinite loop version would be shorter.

9cHeruinr96a

Awesome video\youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

TimmyD

@trichoplax "snpbt"

:p

9cHeruinr96a

9:01 PM

It's about the history of programming

trichoplax

@TimmyD Oh good - you avoided what I was fearing :)

Doorknob

@AquaTart indeed, I was just making that edit actually

Aqua Tart

@Doorknob nononono

TimmyD

@Doorknob F(Doorknob)ITW

Aqua Tart

:/

Morgan Thrapp

9:04 PM

You think Ruby's builtin has a long name? combinations_with_replacement. Ow.

That function and the import alone is 52 bytes.

El'endia Starman

itertools, right? :P

Morgan Thrapp

Yeah.

mothereff.in/…

Dear god why.

Anonymous

@MorganThrapp Explicit is better than implicit.

Morgan Thrapp

@Mego Clearly Tim Peters was not a golfer.

TimmyD

You guys complaining about builtin length, and I'm here poring through the .NET documentation going "This doesn't seem likely ..."

Anonymous

9:14 PM

@TimmyD System.Collections.Generic.HashSet(T).KleeneStarWith(HashSet(T))

TimmyD

@Mego Getting my hopes up and everything.

I should really learn to stop trusting people here on chat ... too much snark. :D

Morgan Thrapp

Just call me Tony Snark.

TimmyD

Ironyman

ricdesi

"Oh hey, this question looks pretty straightforward!"

300 awkward bytes later...

TimmyD

Haha, yeah. Isn't that the best?

ricdesi

9:22 PM

It's the best, I love it ah ha HA ha ha~...

If anything, it just makes me completely certain that there's something like 50 chars shorter

TimmyD

> "A challenge where PowerShell ought to be reasonably competitive!" -- TessellatingHeckler

ricdesi

I wonder if I can typecast multiple vars at the same time...

Like, my code starts with FALSE in four different types. I bet it can, I'll have to mess with it

Doorknob

Well, I tried to do "all strings" in Perl, but Perl hates me.

TimmyD

> Perl hates me everyone.

FTFY

Except Ton Hospel.

Anonymous

9:39 PM

\o/

Anonymous

I successfully ported Seriously to Python 3!

Helka Homba

@AquaTart @9cHeruinr96a how many more of you anagrammed your names?

Anonymous

@HelkaHomba I did

trichoplax

I'm resisting changing to chat prolix

TimmyD

I tried, but Dim Tym just ... no.

Nathan Merrill

9:42 PM

I'd do Chat Xi Lorp

worth a gazillion points in scrabble

Pietu1998

@Mego This brings to mind: can one run Seriously on Windows? I ran into a problem with compiling pyshoco, I think it wants to have GCC or something.

Anonymous

@Pietu1998 You'll need Cygwin or MinGW for it

Helka Homba

@TimmyD Be a mighty doctor - Mity MD

Anonymous

pyshoco is a thin wrapper over shoco, which requires compilation

Pietu1998

How do I force it to GCC? I tried from Git Bash

Anonymous

9:48 PM

You need GCC in your path, either by installing MinGW and adding it to your path, or installing Cygwin

Anonymous

It works 100% out of the box in Cygwin

Nathan Merrill

cygwin is overkill for seriously

(Disclaimer: I can't stand cygwin)

TimmyD

Y'mIT MD ... Klingon doctor

Anonymous

@NathanMerrill That's how I run Seriously 99% of the time

Nathan Merrill

@Mego but you already had it installed?

Anonymous

9:49 PM

Of course

Anonymous

Pietu1998

Best option: install Linux

Anonymous

Now that's overkill

Pietu1998

It's called a long term solution

RikerW

@Optimizer pbs.twimg.com/media/BJHqtTQCMAAjuTG.jpg

Pietu1998

9:51 PM

If only I had the disk space for dual boot

RikerW

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aditsu

@El'endiaStarman how about now?

El'endia Starman

@aditsu Much better. :)

Anonymous

@Pietu1998 I'll probably look into binary distributions of Seriously at some point

Anonymous

I don't have the time to make one real quick, though

Pietu1998

9:54 PM

You could just distribute disk images with runnable Linux and Seriously on it

9cHeruinr96a

🦄

Anonymous

You're getting more overkil, not less

feersum

Yeah that's way overkill. Just distribute executables with Cygwin, Python and Seriously bundled.

Geobits

What about Raspberry Pis with it preinstalled?

Helka Homba

@Mego Whats the etymology of "Seriously" again?

TimmyD

9:57 PM

@Geobits Ooo. Then you can get a copy of Mathematica, too, right?

Anonymous

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A: Seriously, GolfScript, CJam, or Pyth?

Python 2, 404 374 359 * 0.6 * 0.8 = 193.92 179.52 172.32 import sys from subprocess import* from tempfile import* c,p,g,f,n,a=["CJam","java","-jar","cjam.jar"],["Pyth","./pyth.py"],["Golfscript","./golfscript.rb"],NamedTemporaryFile(delete=0),open('/dev/null','w+'),[] f.write(sys.stdin.read()) f...

Geobits

@TimmyD Yea, I think they're still doing that.

Anonymous

@feersum I could do that :P

ricdesi

273 -25, yis

Anonymous

@Pietu1998 If you have Python 2.7 for Windows installed and the bin dir is on your path, you can go to microsoft.com/en-us/download/confirmation.aspx?id=44266, download that, and just do pip install pyshoco from cmd

Helka Homba

9:59 PM

@Mego Shoulda chosen or

Pietu1998

@Mego That's what I did. For some reason cl.exe -std=c99doesn't work ;)

Anonymous

@HelkaHomba That's gonna be my next language :P

Anonymous

Hmm... Maybe MS compilers don't like standards

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Anonymous

Shocker

Geobits

@Mego Based on logic gates? :P

Anonymous

10:00 PM

@Geobits No that would make too much sense

Geobits

Okay...how about Oregonian Rattlesnakes?

feersum

-std=c99 is a GCC option... of course you can't use it in MSVC.

Anonymous

MSVC apparently doesn't support C99 from what I'm reading

Anonymous

Oh wait these things are nearly a decade old

Pietu1998

@feersum That's sort of what I was going for... :D

Aqua Tart

10:03 PM

Visual C++ doesn't support C99???

Anonymous

Only in 2013 did they start

Anonymous

Trying this one now

feersum

Most of the time, you won't be able to compile a project of any size on compiler X unless the maintainers have targeted compiler X.

El'endia Starman

Causes of Death - pretty data!

In particular, I had no idea that a major cause of death for children is cancer.

Geobits

Peak for "external causes" is late teens. Go figure.

El'endia Starman

10:18 PM

I wonder if different cancers show up more often in children as opposed to adults. I'll bet the main reason cancer shows up in children is that they're growing rapidly, so all it takes is one or more cells to not be held in check and then they go out of control. In older people, it's more that cells' built-in checks get weak and/or break, and cancerous cells again go out of control.

It's like a more bullets vs. fewer shields kind of thing.

Geobits

I think it's a bit of a "weeding out" process, too. If you're going to get cancer young, you'll get it very young.

El'endia Starman

Yeah, probably.

Geobits

Of course, it could only look that way because teens are so stupid (or risk-taking, whatever) that external causes drown out the rest during that time. I bet if you took it out, the slope would be much smoother among the rest.

El'endia Starman

Hmm, yeah, probably. You can see that the cancer band around 19 yo is thicker than the other bands taken individually.

That mostly just means that teens are much more likely to survive anything in comparison with cancer.

Geobits

I wish there was an unfiltered chart >_<

El'endia Starman

10:23 PM

Oh sweet, it was made with D3.js.

....I wonder if I can change the chart type via the console...

Interesting, the chart is basically another webpage inside this one. Is that what iframes are?

PhiNotPi

By far one of the most click-baity articles I've ever seen, from the same data website: flowingdata.com/2014/07/07/19-maps-that-will-blow-your-mind

Geobits

I have to maintain hope that that link is satire. Otherwise we are all doomed.

El'endia Starman

With a paragraph of Lorem Ipsum? ...yeah.

PhiNotPi

It's tagged with "kidding"

somebody

@El'endiaStarman That is what iframes are

Geobits

10:31 PM

It's still a better read than some political articles I see.

Oh this is cool: nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/19/us/…

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For posterity.

Geobits

I got 4.3F above normal. Do I win?

Lynn

I was gonna comment on this challenge mentioning a problem I had with it

Then I thought a bit longer, and realized there are approximately a billion problems with fastest-code, and I just shouldn't bother

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El'endia Starman

Rochester, NY in February was really cold.

Lynn

It's such a not-objectively-measurable, arbitrary, annoying class of problems @_@

"Write a code that does a thing fast but don't make it too fast pls because that would be not fun."