The Nineteenth Byte

flawr

21:00

I now tried to add/substract 48, and got the exact same code as the BF answer...

El'endia Starman

Personally, I think it's fine to post a separate answer in SAF.

quartata

Here's my two cents.

Optimizer

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quartata

If your language of choice is a trivial variant of another (potentially more popular) language which already has an answer (think BASIC or SQL dialects, Unix shells or trivial Brainfuck derivatives like Headsecks or Unary), consider adding a note to the existing answer that the same or a very similar solution is also the shortest in the other language.

Optimizer

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quartata

21:05

Well I lied it was Dennis's two cents

But SAF is like Headsecks: it is a trivial BF derivative. It may be "encoded" differently but it functions the same.

It's fine to post it, but note that it could work in BF also.

Dennis's two cents killed chat.

anOKsquirrel

:P

Dennis

@quartata Yeah, sure. First steal my change, then accuse me of murder.

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quartata

@Dennis It wasn't you! It was your change!

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trichoplax

Is starbot back?

anOKsquirrel

starbot?

trichoplax

21:19

A while back everything in chat was being starred

Like that

quartata

What...

anOKsquirrel

I only starred 3 posts...

trichoplax

Self fulfilling suspicion, I suspect

quartata

There is no star bot.

It's just someone trolling I believe.

Martin Büttner

actually... I have a suspicion...

anOKsquirrel

21:21

Well I can't star my own posts.

Hey, @quartata none of your posts are being stared!

starred*

quartata

My change post is being starred.

anOKsquirrel

I starred that one

Martin Büttner

4 hours ago, by Agawa001

plz dont mess with stars im testing my new code, thank you

anOKsquirrel

Oh. :P

quartata

It's not me sheesh

Just undo the stars pls

trichoplax

21:22

I'm pretty sure this isn't a bot - it only started happening after I asked if there was a starbot - seems like a pretty human response

quartata

Why doesn't chat moderation let you see who is starring what

anOKsquirrel

k

hm...

trichoplax

@anOKsquirrel Did you know you can press up or click on the arrow to the left of a previous post to edit?

anOKsquirrel

yes.

k was actually an answer to a previous post. My internet is laggy right now

They unstarred everything....

quartata

@anOKsquirrel That was Martin.

anOKsquirrel

21:27

What do you mean?

quartata

Mods can undo stars.

anOKsquirrel

Really?

quartata

And yet they can't see who stars what....

anOKsquirrel

that's dumb

quartata

chat-moderation status-terrible

improve-chat-moderation status-declined

@MartinBüttner can I add the truth machine catalog to the list of catalogs on meta?

Martin Büttner

21:30

sure

quartata

1{["[tag:status-accepted]","[tag:status-declined]"]mRp}h

Huh that doesn't work.

El'endia Starman

@quartata That makes no sense in Minkolang. :P

quartata

It was supposed to be CJam.

But I think I did it wrong.

El'endia Starman

ahh

quartata

Either it prints out status-declined or 21..?

@MartinBüttner I can't figure out what I did wrong...

Martin Büttner

21:36

@quartata the ,

it computes the length of the first string

quartata

Ohhh

Martin Büttner

just get rid of it

quartata

I forgot you don't need to delimit the arrays

TanMath

Does anyody know how to measure the number of bytes for s python program?

quartata

Too late to edit it...

@TanMath wc -c

If you use an editor that appends a newline (like vi) subtract one

TanMath

21:38

@quartata ?

quartata

@TanMath wc -c FILE

TanMath

@quartata oh, a terminal is needed?

Martin Büttner

@quartata technically, there isn't even an array literal

quartata

@TanMath I mean, it's the easiest way.

@MartinBüttner 1{["[tag:status-accepted]""[tag:status-declined]"]mRp}h works thanks

Martin Büttner

[ and ] don't have to be matched and are individual commands. [ remembers the current stack depth (sort of), and ] wraps everything beyond the last remembered stack depth in an array.

quartata

21:40

@MartinBüttner That's interesting.

You learn something new everyday, especially on PPCG

Dennis

@flawr That explains why taking the highest element to try to figure out the distribution is worse than taking the second-highest.

TanMath

Are there other ways?

anOKsquirrel

@TanMath yes...

But why would you need to?

TanMath

@trichoplax hello!

quartata

@TanMath You can use this: mothereff.in/byte-counter

But I don't see any point when wc is just as good

trichoplax

21:41

@TanMath hello :)

TanMath

Remember me?

quartata

Are you on Windows?

El'endia Starman

@quartata I actually used code from that for the byte counter on the Minkolang online interpreter page. :D

Martin Büttner

("sort of", because that remembered value is lowered when the stack falls below it, so if you do 5[;5], the 5 will be in the array. more importantly, some commands are actually implemented via popping the argument, so for instance [\] lowers the stack depth by two so it wraps the top two stack elements in an array in reverse order) (@quartata)

trichoplax

@TanMath Only vaguely I'm afraid

TanMath

21:43

@trichoplax i was the guy about neural networks...

Martin Büttner

I seem to recall you had a different user name.

TanMath

@MartinBüttner I did..

Martin Büttner

unless there were two guys about neural networks...

trichoplax

@TanMath I do remember then

TanMath

But i did visit after I changed my name

anOKsquirrel

21:45

dangit martin! codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/39734/46787

my ideas are never original :P

quartata

Well, better go back to working on Rotor.

TanMath

@MartinBüttner I was the T Abraham guy

Martin Büttner

right, that rings a bell

@anOKsquirrel sorry ;)

anOKsquirrel

:P Now to think of some other thing

trichoplax

When we had the lab rat race

TanMath

21:48

@trichoplax yep!!

Martin Büttner

@trichoplax which reminds me... I never reran the final submission to accept it...

quartata

This was a clever challenge:

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Q: Translate your English source code into a foreign language

I have noticed that there are a disproportionate number of computer languages based on English. I propose to fix this by translating existing computer languages into foreign languages! Pick a computer language that uses English keywords/functions Pick any natural* language other than English Wr...

popularity-contest

Too bad the languages I know have already been done

Martin Büttner

then again, kuroi neko's account has been deleted which is probably why I lost the motivation to do so

TanMath

@MartinBüttner why did he delete this account.. His answer was the best

Martin Büttner

@TanMath I don't know

undergroundmonorail

21:51

is there a policy (either on this site or SE in general) about profanity in answers? i know no one cares here but a long time ago someone edited a swear word out of one of my answers and reverted my attempt to put it back and i got unnecessarily mad and actually left the site for a couple days. i'm over it now but i want to quote part of the code from my pb interpreter in an answer i'm writing, which includes "# TODO: make this not a piece of shit" and i don't know if that's okay

it's not necessary to have the quote there to make my point, i'm basically making fun of myself for writing a bad interpreter

anOKsquirrel

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Q: Are expletives (cursing, swear words or vulgar language) allowed on SE sites?

Can I use salty, expletive-laden language on Stack Exchange sites, like Q*Bert? For more information, see "What kind of behavior is expected of users?" in the Help Center. Return to FAQ index

support faq etiquette profanity

undergroundmonorail

thanks, but there are a lot of conflicting, highly upvoted answers, and i'd normally default to the top voted one but it's kind of wishy-washy and i don't know where the line is supposed to be drawn

legit though, thank you, i didn't know that was a thing

anOKsquirrel

I feel it's fine here.

undergroundmonorail

alright

worst case scenario it gets edited out and i try not to be so salty this time :P

anOKsquirrel

Although I don't like it, it seems that it's okay when you're not directing it towards somebody

feersum

21:55

A few days ago "brainfuck" was in an HNQ title again

It was from Code Review

The censor code didn't work apparently

anOKsquirrel

I saw one here, too

undergroundmonorail

i don't know if this is how they did it but if i was writing censor code for a network like SE where 90% of the users are programmers, i'd whitelist brainfuck

anOKsquirrel

yeah.

quartata

@undergroundmonorail I'd value the word of Jeff Atwood over whoever that other scrub is

anOKsquirrel

However, I feel in titles it should be censored

quartata

21:57

Just sayin'

undergroundmonorail

@quartata i understand why community wiki posts don't have an avatar but i really feel like this is a case where it would have been helpful to notice who posted it :P

ty

anOKsquirrel

I gtg now, cya

undergroundmonorail

later

feersum

ugh why are esolang interpreters always so shitty

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