The Nineteenth Byte

quartata

12:08 AM

A truth machine is 51 bytes in Groovy. How sad.

def x=System.in.text as int;while(x)print x;print x

Golfed it down lol

Thomas Kwa

there's no do-while loop?

quartata

@ThomasKwa There is, however I believe it would be longer

Lemme see

Oh wait there isn't

Do-while doesn't exist in Groovy for some reason.

> No 'do ... while()' syntax as yet. Due to ambiguity, we've not yet added support for do .. while to Groovy`

Thomas Kwa

What about recursion?

quartata

@ThomasKwa Can't recurse with closures.

So probably way too long.

57 bytes with a normal function

void f(int i){print i;if(i)f(i)};f(System.in.text as int)

It would be 52 even with closures though.

@AlexA. Just curious, what would a truth machine look like in Julia?

Alex A.

12:23 AM

@quartata Just curious, what's a truth machine?

El'endia Starman

@AlexA. Input is 0 or 1; if 0, print 0 and stop; if 1, print 1 forever.

quartata

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Truth Machine Catalog A truth machine (credits goes to dis guy for coming up with it) is a very simple program designed to demonstrate the I/O and control flow of a language. Here's what a truth machine does: Gets a number (either 0 or 1) from STDIN. If that number is 0, print out 0 and termin...

@El'endiaStarman This

elendia-is-right

El'endia Starman

Yay! :P

Alex A.

x->x<1?print(x):while 1<2 println(x)end

SuperJedi224

My new wheat harvester

Alex A.

12:28 AM

Based on like one minute of thinking and testing, that truth machine works in Julia. Idk if it's the shortest.

El'endia Starman

@SuperJedi224 Requires manual replanting, I would guess?

Alex A.

This also works, but it's longer x->while 1<2 println(x);x<1&&break;end

quartata

@AlexA. Dammit I was hoping it wouldn't outgolf Groovy

Sp3000

It has to be STDIN and not function input, right?

SuperJedi224

Yes

quartata

12:29 AM

@Sp3000 Yes.

Alex A.

Oh diggly damnit

2

quartata

@SuperJedi224 You can use villagers for auto-replanting though.

Sp3000

^^ that

SuperJedi224

Perhaps

quartata

@SuperJedi224 Perhaps=Definitely because I have one

Maybe you should consider trying it for your wheat farm today

Call 1-800-VILLAGER

SuperJedi224

12:30 AM

There's a village nearby

quartata

@SuperJedi224 All you need is a farmer villager.

Oh and hopper minecarts because the damn villagers will steal the wheat otherwise

Don't let them do that

Why is it that SE considers top 4% this quarter more notable than top 1% this month

El'endia Starman

Top 1% in a month could be a spike.

Top 4% in a quarter is sustained.

(Or at least a broader spike.)

Alex A.

@quart Can we get a boolean or does it have to be a literal 0 or 1?

quartata

12:49 AM

@AlexA. You mean for input?

It has to be a literal 0 or 1.

Sorry :/

Alex A.

u_u

I'll get over it eventually

quartata

@AlexA. ;_;

anOKsquirrel

Yeah, I finally got chat to work!

For some reason it said I didn't have enough rep, even thought I do.

Alex A.

I guess you would call that a not OK squirrel.

anOKsquirrel

:P

Alex A.

12:57 AM

@quartata 56 reading from STDIN: (x=parse(Int,readline()))<1?show(x):while 1<2 show(x)end

In theory one should be able to do read(STDIN,Int) rather than parse(Int,readline()) but the former isn't working correctly for me.

quartata

@AlexA. HA GROOVY OUTGOLFED JULIA LOLOLOLOLOL

Sorry I had to.

Alex A.

ಠ_ಠ

quartata

Anyways, that's pretty neat.

Alex A.

How long is it in Groovy?

Just how groovy is it?

quartata

Now you can FGITW it when I post the challenge

@AlexA. 51

@AlexA. Pretty groovy

def x=System.in.text as int;while(x)print x;print x

anOKsquirrel

12:59 AM

I should finish my golfing language...

I doubt I ever will

Sp3000

@AlexA. Any golfier to do it by comparing strings?

Alex A.

@quartata If I can get read(STDIN,Int) to work how I think it should work, it would be 50 instead of 56. >:D

@Sp3000 Hm, interesting idea. I'll give it a shot.

Sp3000

As long as it's not expensive as parsing as int it should help :P

Alex A.

Parsing an integer in Julia 0.4+ is stupid long.

Julia ≤0.3 had int which could do int(::String) and all sorts of good stuff.

But no.

El'endia Starman

whistles ... n$,dN?. 7 bytes in Minkolang. :D

quartata

1:03 AM

@El'endiaStarman congratulations

Alex A.

breaks your whistle

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman for what challenge?

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Truth machine.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman Link?

Alex A.

Sandbox

Scroll up

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

1:04 AM

oh.

El'endia Starman

It's not posted yet but quartata and Alex are discussing their Groovy vs. Julia answers.

Alex A.

Because Julia is groovier than Groovy.

3

It's at least groovier than gravy.

Thomas Kwa

Has anyone found a language that does it in 3?

Alex A.

I'm sure Dennis or Sp will if they haven't already.

I bet @BrainSteel will come up with a great C and/or TinyBF solution.

quartata

@El'endiaStarman This actually outgolfs CJam

li{_p}h;

8 bytes

BrainSteel

1:07 AM

@AlexA. What am I coming up with a great solution to?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Simplex, 7 bytes iR1={o} I think that fits the criterea

Alex A.

@BrainSteel Sandboxed truth machine challenge

anOKsquirrel

What question? I did a search I didn't see anything

Alex A.

It's in the sandbox

Sandbox

SANDBOX

anOKsquirrel

oh sorry

Alex A.

1:08 AM

:P

BrainSteel

Ohhh, I actually had an idea for it. Probably a bit straightforward for C, but I have other languages :D

Alex A.

You know more than one language? :P

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anOKsquirrel

Actually, sorry. Where is that? this is my first time using SE xD

Alex A.

</beingadick>

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

4

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Truth Machine Catalog A truth machine (credits goes to dis guy for coming up with it) is a very simple program designed to demonstrate the I/O and control flow of a language. Here's what a truth machine does: Gets a number (either 0 or 1) from STDIN. If that number is 0, print out 0 and termin...

anOKsquirrel

1:08 AM

oh

BrainSteel

My most successful post to date still says I can only write one language. I didn't quite plan this out.

Alex A.

It even works in that language.

It just doesn't do what the challenge asks in that language.

BrainSteel

That was the point ;D

El'endia Starman

@quartata !!!!!

Alex A.

@BrainSteel o i no bb

BrainSteel

1:10 AM

Hey, I remember @El'endiaStarman!

El'endia Starman

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alex A.

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

BrainSteel

All the familiar faces.

This is the most emotional I've ever been in a chatroom.

Sp3000

@AlexA. I have a 4 and a 6, and I'm sure as hell not posting the 4

Alex A.

You mean in here or at all?

Sp3000

1:11 AM

At all, cos someone's bound to do it first

Having said that, I dunno how long it would be in gs2

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

((((((((((

BrainSteel

I don't know if Martin's working on a Fission solution, but I definitely will be.

Alex A.

@Sp3000 Someone won't necessarily do it first. You just have to coordinate with quartater tots to ninja it.

quartata

I just realized that Stuck does not have anyway (at least that I know of) to do a while loop

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ))))))))))

Sp3000

1:12 AM

Nah, I'm good. I don't feel like posting Pyth answers :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

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El'endia Starman

"("$r

Alex A.

@Sp3000 Because you'll lose your reputation as a Pyth-free person?

Sp3000

Well that's not quite right, consider I used to post Pyth :P I guess I just don't think the language is as nice as CJam, that's all

Alex A.

Blasphemy

anOKsquirrel

1:15 AM

I hate Pyth, CJam is better

BrainSteel

I can't believe I've been active here for over a year and have yet to pick up one of them new-fangled golfing languages.

Alex A.

I hate everything except puppies

BrainSteel

I should stop being so stubborn

Kittens?

Alex A.

PUPPIES.

(Yeah kittens are fine too)

Kroltan

PARROTS

anOKsquirrel

1:16 AM

PARAKEETS

LIZARDS

status-declined

alex-is-wrong

fail :P

gs2 can't do an infinite loop

Alex A.

1:16 AM

@BrainSteel You sure pick up the memes quickly, don't you? :P

BrainSteel

^ (syntax: [ tag:thing-tag], no leading space)

Kroltan

@BrainSteel thanks, always miss that one

Alex A.

The status tags are for meta, in which case you use meta-tag instead of tag

Makes it gray

BrainSteel

Huh. Did not know that.

Alex A.

status-deferred

Kroltan

1:17 AM

status-promise

Sp3000

@quartata Oh... then I can't think of a possibility for 3 bytes then

Kroltan

ARGH

BrainSteel

my bad

Kroltan

/me punches strict markdown extension

Alex A.

@quartatertots 51 in Julia now using Sp's suggestion! >:D

BrainSteel

1:19 AM

51?!

Alex A.

Yeah, really long, but now it's tied with Groovy.

It's bloated because of the IO rules.

BrainSteel

I should actually read the spec.

quartata

Microscript is 5 bytes

i{z1p

Alex A.

haha

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

good night yall

quartata

1:20 AM

Actually wait

@SuperJedi224 your Truth Machine example on esolangs doesn't work

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ G'night!

Kroltan

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ timezones :(

Alex A.

Baked @quartato How does it feel now being tied with Julia? It's only a matter of time before someone who's better at golfing than me makes another suggestion!

quartata

@AlexA. Tied not equal to winning

BrainSteel

Does it need to be a full program? I don't see that requirement.

quartata

1:21 AM

@BrainSteel Yes it does. It should be there

Alex A.

Whoa. Because of daylight savings time, midnight UTC is now 4pm my time instead of 5pm.

BrainSteel

Ah, all clear now :D

quartata

The correct truth machine in Microscript is 3 bytes

i{p

BrainSteel

Today the sun set at 5:30pm and I was confused.

quartata

So there is a 3-byte truth machine.

@SuperJedi224 you should probably change the example you have on esolangs

Alex A.

1:23 AM

@BrainSteel It's not quite 5:30 here now and the sun is already down.

@quartata How many bytes does it take to get to the center of a truth machine?

BrainSteel

Have I been spoiled by sunny skies at 7 pm?

Yes

yea

Immensely

Hmmph.

1:25 AM

@AlexA. Likewise, 7 pm here now.

BrainSteel

7:25 here. Midwest?

Alex A.

Enderman is in Tennessee (or however you spell that mess)

El'endia Starman

Actually, 8:26 here. 0:00 UTC was 7 pm here. :P

BrainSteel

Ah. So close to the midwest :)

anOKsquirrel

7:26 here

BrainSteel

1:26 AM

Well, a minute has passed since my comment

El'endia Starman

Well, actually, I'm in Kentucky.

Alex A.

Oh

BrainSteel

My brother lives in Kentucky!

lovely place.

Alex A.

^ false

BrainSteel

Parts of it are gorgeous.

El'endia Starman

1:27 AM

Mmhmm.

Alex A.

All states are cess pools in comparison to Washington.

Louisville area?

Aye!

I like Louisville!

@BrainSteel If you're a geologist, especially the highway through the Appalachian mountains. Especially in winter.

BrainSteel

1:28 AM

My brother teaches physics in a high school there. Couldn't tell you the name of the school, though.

@AlexA. Kansas is a bit blank to be a cess pool.

I don't study geology, but I've always found it interesting.

Alex A.

That was just emotionally fueled hyperbole. I actually quite like parts of several other states.

And yes, I agree about geology.

BrainSteel

As a kid I liked to collect rocks. I was that kid.

El'endia Starman

@BrainSteel Cool!

@BrainSteel If I didn't know my best friend, I might say that. :P

BrainSteel

Now I sit in a room and do math all day.

El'endia Starman

He is almost a professional rock-collector. :P

That's a wonderful life. :P

@BrainSteel For a job?

BrainSteel

1:31 AM

That sounds fun. I always found it relaxing, in a kind of weird way.

I'm a student, currently.

El'endia Starman

ahh, okay

BrainSteel

THOUGHHH... I recently accepted a software dev coop next semester!

El'endia Starman

nice!

BrainSteel

So I might get to do something useful, too ;P

Alex A.

Congrats! :D

BrainSteel

1:33 AM

Thanks :D I'm moving out in January... to another location in Kansas.

Alex A.

Moving out is a fun experience.

quartata

All I need now is Martin's seal of approval on the truth machine catalog..

BrainSteel

I sure hope so. Everybody just seems to be stressing out about everything though.

Alex A.

How so?

BrainSteel

I have several other friends moving about at around the same time, and the folks who are staying aren't too pleased about all this.

Alex A.

1:36 AM

"The folks that are staying" being other friends who aren't moving out or the families of those who are?

BrainSteel

Both. Mostly families, though. It's been a rough few weeks.

Alex A.

I'm sorry to hear that. :/

BrainSteel

Ah, bah. They've got time to warm up to the idea :D

Alex A.

:)

Are you moving in with other friends or will it be just you?

BrainSteel

Well, my sister will live conveniently nearby. There should also be a couple people from my highschool in the area, so that might be neat. And probably an ex girlfriend. All around, not too bad.

Alex A.

1:40 AM

I mean in the same unit, like roommates

BrainSteel

Nope, I'll have a place on my own.

Alex A.

Nice. :)

BrainSteel

I'm looking forward to it. It'll be new, anyway.

Alex A.

I loved having my own place.

BrainSteel

I've heard that from everyone who has had their own place :P

Alex A.

1:42 AM

Haha

True facts though. A long time ago my sister and I almost moved in together. I'm glad we didn't.

BrainSteel

My sister and I are pretty agreed that we shouldn't live together. She lives with her boyfriend and 3 cats.

Alex A.

I think my sister and I could have made it okay but it's probably better not to. I'm jealous of the three cats.

My sister takes awesome pictures

BrainSteel

Whoa, you weren't kidding. Your sister actually takes awesome photos.

Is it her profession?

Alex A.

I don't fuck around when it comes to my family's talents!

Nope, she's a professional nanny with a physics degree.

BrainSteel

That is some diverse talent.

Alex A.

1:47 AM

Haha

She doesn't really want to be a nanny

BrainSteel

What's she want to do with the physics degree?

Alex A.

Nothing

She doesn't want a technical job of any kind

BrainSteel

Got it out of love for the science, then?

Alex A.

Nah, it's just been too long.

Her interests have shifted.

BrainSteel

Oh, I see. What is she interested in nowadays?

Alex A.

1:50 AM

Not really sure, to be honest.

Artsy stuff.

BrainSteel

I can't say I'm too surprised, with photography like that :)

El'endia Starman

@BrainSteel Agreed!

Alex A.

Her boyfriend is a seriously awesome photographer

They like to take pictures together

El'endia Starman

/me wonders if that's why they started dating

Alex A.

Kind of, actually.

BrainSteel

1:53 AM

Oh wow. Why do all these talented people have to pair off together?! Now there's nobody left for the rest of us!

Alex A.

haha

My girlfriend has lots of super talented artist friends. Come meet some of them. (And then don't leave Washington. >:D)

My goal is to convince each and every one of you to move to Washington.

Doorknob

remind me to never visit @AlexA.

BrainSteel

I actually really want to visit @AlexA.

Alex A.

:D

Doorknob

It would be awesome to meet anyone from PPCG. :D

(getting trapped in Washington, on the other hand...)

BrainSteel

1:56 AM

Some day, we'll have a PPCG meetup in Washington. It's such a beautiful state, I need to see it in person!

El'endia Starman

Considering that a significant number of our members are overseas, that might be difficult.

Alex A.

We'll ship 'em over.

El'endia Starman

@BrainSteel Seattle, especially. In the summer. I've been there twice. :D

Doorknob

@AlexA. will fly them over, assuming his wings are strong enough

Alex A.

Seattle > Otherattle

@Doorknob They are absolutely not

El'endia Starman

1:57 AM

Seattle > Mountattle

BrainSteel

My dad had to work up there for some time, I never got to go with, though.

Alex A.

I remember you saying that

And I remember El'enderman Starsky saying he taught at UW.

I remember all the Washington factoids.

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. Whats your favorite band originating in WA?

Alex A.

oh god

Minus the Bear

Doorknob

@AlexA. What's your favorite type of tree in the top 3 grown in Washington from 1995-2000?

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Alex A.

1:59 AM

Cedar

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