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3:00 PM
CMC create a complete list of enforceable rules for this site in the minimum number of bytes (in english)
 
And most "loopholes" aren't interesting interpretations of rules that make answers more interesting
 
make a deterministic ruleset for this site
 
They're someone breaking some obvious rule that nobody thought to codify, like this
 
@RadvylfPrograms I'm okay with that except for the fact that we have to rely on people downvoting them
 
@mathcat No we don't
Well, sort of, but not really
 
3:02 PM
how so
 
The downvotes aren't what actually makes it more invalid than not, they're just enforcement of it
Okay well I guess we still rely on that, but ^^^^^^ is evidence that we can in some capacity
And we already rely on this sort of "do what you want but take it too far and we'll downvote you" all over the place
 
I'd actually like to do a refresh of our loopholes. A lot of them are old. Like what % of our active users were around for ? Yet we have multiple loopholes for . Plus it's hard to tell which answers are high scoring due to simple inertia vs. which are actually well supported by a modern consensus.
 
and is no longer in use
 
I think the loopholes are an equal mix of "a list of things that already wouldn't be allowed, but we need to remind people of" and "a list of rules that should really be specified somewhere else"
It would probably be better to just split them into some separate consensus posts and a "list of jokes that are not funny"
 
shouldn't the latter be in, say, the help page?
is that even possible with se?
 
3:04 PM
^^^^^^
 
^
 
^ ^^^^^
 
can we get an autoarrows userscript
click a message and it posts the correct number of arrows at post time
 
@Ginger The help page is not a great place to hash out site consensus
 
@thejonymyster did you mean: makina
 
3:05 PM
@thejonymyster Replies are a much better option over two or three arrows
 
but we can't reply to multiple messages
so you want us to just reply "yes good" to messages instead of using arrows?
 
Some girl in my european history hid in a trash can (long story) and jumped out to startle our teacher, but instead of being startled he was just like "I marked you absent" and it was so funny
 
@RadvylfPrograms but i dont want to ping :o and yea ^^, ^^^
 
Then pay attention and post the arrows sooner :p
 
@RadvylfPrograms chat fast bro T_T
 
3:07 PM
@RadvylfPrograms I think I got whiplash from the speed of that topic change
 
Unless the script also lets you click some arrows to highlight what they point to
 
that would own actually
 
well how do we handle, say, emoticons like ^_^?
 
_ is a word character
 
guess you could only check arrows with spaces or arrows next to them
 
3:08 PM
@Ginger dont worry about it. it doesnt matter. thats how you handle it
 
But even for things like ^.^ that would be difficult to tell, nobody goes around clicking emoticon eyes anyway
And the formatting would probably be not too different
 
handle it by pretending it doesn't exist, I like it
 
should be the solution in more cases tbh
 
So uh how did we get from subjective loop holes to arrows?
 
3:09 PM
@thejonymyster Another feature: it'll auto-edit the arrow count if more messages get posted that are in the way
 
@mousetail loophole no allow
 
@RadvylfPrograms thats what i meant by "at post time"
 
I maintain that there should be a synchronized timestamp between the client and server, and the client sends the time the message was originally sent, so they can arrive out-of-order
 
...that does happen
 
interesting(?)
 
3:12 PM
I have several times sent a message and had another message appear before it
 
Sure, it allows some abuse (like inserting "my dog died" before someone saying "wow that's awesome") if you mess with the JS, but it makes chat less confusing
@Ginger Yeah I know, this would prevent that
 
oh
whoops :p
 
@WheatWizard thatd be nice
 
The client would send when you sent the message, so even if it arrives at the server after one sent by someone else later, it could figure out that yours goes first
 
I think Mojang Microsoft does something like that for the MC chat reporting system
 
3:14 PM
Mojang still exists y'know...
 
I know, but they didn't add chat reporting (at least not voluntarily)
 
Do we know that?
 
Do Mojang really seem the type to not only add a feature like this, but then not listen to the instant and overwhelming backlash from the community?
 
3:16 PM
...what
 
1.17-1.19 were nothing but poorly planned features and failing to listen to feedback
They've been on an extremely consistent downward trend, this is no different
 
but minecraft was good once! and the people who made it good are the same people working on it today!
something has changed and it's not mojang
 
@Ginger Guess what? Mojang is owned by Stack Exchange.
 
Has anyone ever seen Microsoft and SE in a room together? :b
 
Even when it "was good" they were adding features and not listening to overwhelming backlash.
 
3:17 PM
And Stack Exchange is owned by Cisco, who is owned by Westinghouse, who is owned by the Dutch East India Company
 
examples please
 
1.9 was met with a very strong backlash when it came out.
 
Mojang very rarely listens to feedback, even in the best of updates
 
(Despite the fact that 1.9 was definitely good)
 
@RadvylfPrograms who are owned by Google, probably
 
3:18 PM
1.16 getting an extra nether biome and an equivalent to lava boats was a big surprise to me. Mojang changing their minds in response to feedback is rare.
 
. - .
 
true
i only play on education edition but its pretty similar to the real minecraft
 
I can't play minecraft anymore because they migrated accounts again.
 
education is just bedrock with some extra features and I despise bedrock
 
you play java?
 
3:20 PM
yes, like all sane people
 
Bedrock is perfectly fine. Java does many things better, but everyone's tired of this stupid fight
 
except for me! I will die on this hill!
 
one of my friends has every version of minecraft available on his iPas
 
but that don't matter if mc just... dies
 
*iPad
 
3:21 PM
@py3programmer you can edit messages
 
...and that makes you annoying, along with everyone else on that hill, being elitist for owning a $26 video game
 
pocket, bedrock, you name it
he has ir
*it
 
pocket edition (old pocket edition) is legacy console edition, which was a more-or-less exact port of java
as it should be
 
exactly
 
Uhhh...no lol
 
3:22 PM
?????????
 
They were totally different
 
@RadvylfPrograms and how dare I have opinions on things
 
which is why my friend was not playing them anymore
 
And legacy console and pocket were not the same either
 
waste of money
 
3:22 PM
huh? I thought it was
well today I learned a thing
 
Totally different.
 
Nether reactor core
 
My beloved :(
 
oh right
sorry
 
@RadvylfPrograms yes
 
3:24 PM
but I don't want mc to die! I like it!
 
i couldnt care more about its death
 
I'm expecting that this isn't Minecraft "dying", it's just bad luck, and probably a ton of external pressure on Mojang.
 
i think mojang should make a new game instead :-)
 
In school, if you're a Minecrafter, you're totally dealt as if you're different
 
@thejonymyster See: Minecraft Legends
 
3:25 PM
like you're doing classic stuff
 
@Ginger new as in new ip :P
 
I'm expecting one of the next few updates to be the combat update we've been waiting on, which will be a return to the 1.12–1.16 era
 
@thejonymyster See: Scrolls (? I forgot the exact name)
@RadvylfPrograms 1.16 was the best version of mc hands down
 
^
why am i agreeing with everyone today
 
hey and btw why is my rep on meta codegolf lower than in codegolf
 
3:26 PM
forge didn't move from 1.16 for something like another two versions
 
1.12–1.16 was an era of polish. Every update took an outdated aspect of the game and updated it, and made it look good. If 1.20 is the combat or end updates we've been hoping for, it'll be a return to that.
 
and i dont think mincecraft is made by notch today
*minecraft
 
it is not
 
nope, he left
 
@Ginger how long ago was that?
 
3:27 PM
@RadvylfPrograms yep
 
@thejonymyster no clue
 
so who said "and those who made it good are still working on it today"
 
Who left?
 
[not sic]
 
@RadvylfPrograms but they sure aren't going to remove the things they added post-1.16
 
3:28 PM
i dont like the very concept of the deep dark
 
I'm really eager for ten updates from now. If datapacks and edition parity keep going in the direction they have been, we could see a game where modding is built-in and the versions are unified
 
I shudder to imagine microsoft trying to make modding built-in
 
@Seggan I actually kind of like it. The big issue was 1.18 is that the caves didn't add anything; it's just more empty space for content, with no content. The deep dark is something
 
"Unlock getPlayerRotation with the Ultimate Functions Pack for only $19.99!"
 
@Ginger Datapacks
 
3:30 PM
datapacks are no good
 
@WheatWizard notch left
 
They've been steadily becoming more capable, and Mojang has expressed their intentions to make them as powerful as mods
 
Who's notch?
 
or markkus persson fyi
 
that'd be impressive
 
3:30 PM
@RadvylfPrograms in my eyes its the other way around
 
how would mixins work???
 
@Ginger They...wouldn't?
 
how would CREATE work with datapacks?
 
That's one approach to modding a game, one very very very specific approach
 
a lot of the best mods (create, galacticraft, etc) involve doing things to the game that I can't imagine mojang will ever make possible with datapacks
 
3:31 PM
I can
 
i cant use datapacks
 
Resource packs and data packs combined already allow for insane things
 
my version of minecraft is very restrictive
school issues
ig
 
And Bedrock's add-ons or whatever they're called with JS show that they're looking into more powerful scripting than command functions
 
JS?????? wow
 
3:32 PM
in my opinion bedrock is much easier than java
 
python datapacks when
 
JS is more performant :p
 
WHAT
 
@Ginger yeah how are you supposed to make a planet selector with datapacks
 
@Ginger This should not surprise you, it's literally 20× more performant :p
 
3:34 PM
@RadvylfPrograms Just you wait until 3.11 and Faster CPython q:
@Seggan well now that we know that JS is an option I have no doubt radvylf could do it easily
 
Speaking of Python versions, what do you think will come in python 4?
assuming it does come
 
I'm not sure there will ever be python 4
 
What makes you think there'd be a Python 4
 
just asking
 
It's nearly perfect already, I don't think there will be any changes big enough to prompt a new major version
 
3:35 PM
assuming it does come
 
Maybe symbolic numbers as the default type, continuing Python's trend of getting rid of simpler number types :p
And a better class system
 
The current version is 3.10 right?
 
better? like how better
 
3.11b is in python.org
 
you can use metaclasses to do all sorts of crazy shit
 
3:36 PM
tio now
 
All OOP is bad, there's always things you can find to improve
 
(Darth Vader sound) NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
truly the words of a JS programmer
 
...JS is OOP lmao
(and the worst kind, too)
 
js is reeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaal boring
 
3:36 PM
exactly, your perception of OOP is tainted by using such an awful language :b
 
I missed a JS class last Wednesday
 
the grass is greener on the Python side
 
Well I've also used Java and Rust
 
but I caught up because I already new what twas
@Ginger not wrong
 
Java is Object Oriented Everything
 
3:37 PM
Java < JS < Rust, and that's also conveniently most-to-least-OOP
 
OOP means?
 
Object Oriented Programming
 
oh short forms
i hate them
 
...this is code golf
our whole thing is using short forms
 
aw shoot
 
3:38 PM
You FOOL!
 
considers leaving codegolf
...
 
we talk about normal things here at The Nineteenth Byte
 
# OOP, 3 bytes
 
such as: minecraft, loopholes, up-arrow message reference notation, oop languages, datapacks, the ownership of Stack Exchange
and that's just the tip of the metaphorical iceberg
 
the usefulness of short forms, the references to major music videos, such and such.
 
3:40 PM
> major music videos
 
complicated math equations,
anecdotes
this is what i see
when i join tnb
any opinions?
 
lots
of what?
 
pronunciations of lyxal
ok i couldnt hold myself
 
that sounds off-topic enough to go in OTTNB
 
no seriously
i've seen it here
i think
and speaking of pronunciations of lyxal
i just did a text-to-speech with Scratch
and it's pronounced "licks-all"
 
4:13 PM
@Fatalize I rarely answer in Python anymore, because a) usually someone else posts a Python answer first, and b) usually someone else posts a Python answer shorter than anything I could come up with. (Not necessarily the same person in parts a and b.) I'd rather stretch my brain by answering in a language no one else has used.
and I don't like losing
 
4:31 PM
Okay everyone freeze
How can I get (or lose) exactly 1 rep?
 
It's complicated
Downvoting an answer's an easy way to lose 1
For gaining 1 you need to gain 2 then downvote an answer
Which involves either suggesting a (tag) edit or accepting an answer
 
downvoting will do
 
Which is literally the only reason I've got multiple tag edits :p
 
nice
 
@mathcat why
 
4:36 PM
look at my rep :P
 
4990?
and?
 
well I want to get exactly 5000
 
which you'll have to increase by 10
 
mhm so now ure waiting for an upvote?
 
yes
 
4:38 PM
done
 
(constantly reloading lol)
 
@DLosc totally agree. When I joined, I thought there'd be a lot of questions where Python can be used with, but it turns out there isn't many.
 
yes!
 
congrats
broke it
now your at 5010
 
but I still got a screenshot :P
 
4:41 PM
but who'll see you had 5000?
only you, right?
Personally, I need 13 upvotes to get to 1000 rep
 
now ure back :P
 
mathcat, Germany, next to Santa Claus
5k 1 12 62
follow the link and youll get a free RAM download, no viruses and you can see his rep
 
whyd i get pinged 2 times?
yeah right
his rep is 5010
STILL
 
yeah okay
 
4:44 PM
yeah you see?
i put an upvote
so mathcats rep is 5010
 
I can now uh approve tag wiki edits I guess?
 
take that divisibility by 100
maybe?
 
@mathcat very powerful :P
 
ikr
yeah but 10k is awesome
 
ill give you the upvote back :)
 
4:47 PM
hey can someone help me get to 1k?
need 13 upvotes
 
Don't ask for upvotes btw, while it's usually harmless, it can be construed as voter fraud if done in too large a scale
Post a couple more posts, and you'll get there organically
 
That's the cycle of CGCC, kids.
 
ow that hurt @caird
looks like discrimination again
 
ok jk
 
4:49 PM
What was the joke though
 
joke = mathcat gets 1 upvote, he gets to 5k, i want to get to 1k
hurt part = mathcat can get but i cant
 
The difference is that mathcat never explicitly asked for votes
 
@py3programmer I'm an equal opportunity disciplinarian, I will tell everyone that what they're doing is voter fraud, whether it relates to voting or not :P
 
They were also just one upvote away, while you're 13 away
 
true
anyway
 
4:51 PM
Yeah, don't think we really need to continue with this
 
Exactly
 
I miss new posts, I have thoughts I want to share on WW's new meta post, but they're a bit too informal for a comment :/
 
I have a question: when I was browsing sandbox, i saw my rep was 860, but on codegolf it was 870.Now they're equal, but before it wasn't, why?
 
Caching most likely
 
oh i see
 
my laptop was bought a year back, but, umm... its not at its best :(
 
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Q: Closed combinations

Athulya RatheeshCreate the code snippet where Input : n is the input Output : The output will be the closed combination of the [] eg: if n = 1 output = [] if n = 2 output = [[]], [] [] if n = 3 output = [[[]]], [] [] [], [] [[]], [[]] [] and soon

 
hey @cairdcoinheringaahing when i wrote my meta answer to @pxeger's question regarding new users, when you wrote your comment, were you @Zion mycelia adamancy?
 
those usernames correspond to the same user
 

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