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Steffan

12:55 AM

...is anyone going to post lotm?

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DialFrost

1:51 AM

Wait guys, what's the other code running website other TIO again?

I alr forgot :3

lyxal

ato.pxeger.com

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thejonymyster

3:18 AM

@DialFrost theres the one lyxal said, theres also dso.surge.sh , and radvylf's RTO is in progress

DialFrost

3:43 AM

Ah ic thx

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caird coinheringaahing

4:45 AM

@Steffan You are welcome to do so

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DialFrost

6:30 AM

@cairdcoinheringaahing lotm???

lyxal

Language of the month

DialFrost

Oh, what's that?

a lang picked every month I'm assuming?

lyxal

Yeah

Basically it's a month long event where a language gets special focus

Q: Let's start a "language-of-the-month" event

Whereas, there are lots of interesting languages out there that might be fun to golf in, and Whereas, many of us are the inventors of said interesting languages, and would like to teach them to others, and Whereas, learning and golfing in a language is more fun if other people are doing it with...

DialFrost

My bad I didn't know it existed :3

WHAT it was created in 2018????

did i miss out 4 whole years suddenly

lyxal

It was originally done in 2018, but it died for a few years

It only restarted in late 2020

DialFrost

6:42 AM

So I missed 1 year then

I think I saw it before, just that I don't have the time to learn new langs so I didn't participate

plus I only know 1 language sooooo

Well cya guys after 10 days!

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Feeds

1:48 PM

Q: This site takes out all of the fun of golfing

Look at cases like not being able to reopen questions unless you're the poster. Most of the time they would not care, but I DO care for the posts, and it would be nice to reopen the question. After all, this site's fun comes from golfing, and i would help make fun, instead of making the question ...

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AncientSwordRage

3:01 PM

I finally posted!

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Q: Generate a Tiefling's Traits

A Tiefling is a character race from Dungeons and Dragons, that have a list of possible traits: small horns fangs or sharp teeth a forked tongue catlike eyes six fingers on each hand goat-like legs cloven hoofs a forked tail leathery or scaly skin red or dark blue skin cast no shadow or reflectio...

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Ginger

@Feeds this is definitely a thing

mousetail

@Ginger How so?

mathcat

Radvylf Programs

3:17 PM

I maintain that Standard I/O needs to die

It's way to permissive for praclangs, and way too restrictive for esolangs

Exactly the opposite of what was intended

mathcat

what would you suggest instead?

Radvylf Programs

A much better way to handle things would be a rule that your I/O must be "reasonable", with a set of guidelines for various types of languages that demonstrate what is considered reasonable

mathcat

hmm

Radvylf Programs

That allows flexibility, while also having a sliding scale of how "reasonable" I/O is, so that abusing standard I/O rules to do preprocessing of your input isn't a thing

mathcat

yeah 1+

might be a bit subjective tho

Radvylf Programs

3:22 PM

That's good

Objectivity is hard to do when there's hundreds of languages and more are added all the time

Subjectivity already shows up all over the place with things like loopholes and flag abuse

E.g., one guideline could be "using functions is reasonable", and another could be "taking arrays as a newline separated string is reasonable if your language has no more reasonable way of doing this"

They would intentionally not cover all possibilities, unlike our current standard I/O, but just give you a set of things to compare what you want to do against

mathcat

true

Radvylf Programs

It also allows taking other aspects of the language into account. E.g., "taking input via a variable is reasonable if there's no better way to do it" is impossible to judge objectively, and wouldn't work for our current rules, but would be fine here I think

mousetail

4:20 PM

The issue with esolangs is most don't really have any kind of subdivisions like functions, modules, or classes that allow well defined data entry and exit points

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5:39 PM

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

It's Just Rocket Science, Part 2 - Centrifuge code-golf math You've gotten out of Earth's gravity well - good for you! However, you're feeling a bit uncomfortable in zero-gravity, and you want to replicate 1 \$g\$ of force in a centrifuge. Use the equation for force in a centrifuge: $$\text{RCF} ...

AncientSwordRage

6:32 PM

When you iterate over files in python each line will include the trailing newline character (except the last one). That is what you are seeing here — mousetail 2 hours ago

Trying to figure out if the occasional new line at the end should make the output invalid?

caird coinheringaahing

Personally, I wouldn't invalidate an answer because of a trailing newline on each element of the output

We generally are pretty lenient on trailing whitespace, so long as it doesn't go overboard (e.g. 100 trailing spaces per line)

mousetail

7:12 PM

@AncientSwordRage It would cost me just 1 byte to fix it, so let me know what the consensus is

In this case it's printing a literal \n, not a real line break

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Q: Repeat Values In Array

Given two arrays of non-negative integers \$A = [A_1,A_2,\ldots,A_n]\$ and \$R = [R_1,R_2,\ldots,R_n]\$ which are equal in length, return an array which has the element \$A_1\$ repeated \$R_1\$ times, then element \$A_2\$ repeated \$R_2\$ times, all the way up to \$A_n\$. Standard loopholes are f...

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Neil

7:53 PM

@pxeger Would you mind updating Charcoal on ATO to d32c58004314c4da0d0bff7c5fd6dcbc3cbe27a2?

(I was trying to fix some other bugs today but it turned out to be a rat's nest...)

AncientSwordRage

8:11 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing it's not on each, it's on all but the last one

@mousetail I'm not sure if it's the right choice so hold fire

Seggan

9:11 PM

whats the most compact way to store a huffman tree?

i was thinking of traversing 0000... until it hit a 1 which is a leaf. then go back up one level and continue

basically depth-first construction

@RadvylfPrograms i dont like the "if your language has no more reasonable way of doing this" part

the whole point of this is to do away with strict i/o formats and let people golf

Radvylf Programs

9:37 PM

@Seggan Nah, I'm a fan of strict I/O

Strict in the sense that the I/O itself should not be difficult, but you should still have to do it in the most sensible way possible

Quite often the I/O format is part of the challenge, and I don't support the idea that that makes them any less fun

CMOpinion: Different methods of I/O (STDIO vs. function mainly) should be treated similarly to different languages or flag combinations

That way changing (x,y)=> to x=>y=> in JS or switching from Console.ReadLine() to a function in C# isn't a meaningful byte save

Since those are boring and force the answerer to use something like currying even if they'd rather not focus on I/O and do things the way they're used to

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thejonymyster

11:11 PM

@RadvylfPrograms interesting point, i can get behind this sentiment

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