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12:00 AM
wow charcoal's fizzbuzz is so long, unfortunate
 
yeah stax packing sort of combines the problems of no compression and actual compression
 
@hyper-neutrino Oddly enough, Java's higher than Scala and Kotlin on the ELO ratings even though both are advertised as being more concise
 
because it's unreadable, but it's also not that much shorter
 
I'm hoping Ash will be good, it's got a 13 byte FizzBuzz but that's not a very good representation of other challenges
 
FizzBuzz is all that matters
 
12:01 AM
@user Java's -> helped shorten it from the monstrosity it used to be
 
Definitely
 
does vyxal have a 2 byte hello world
 
Yeah but it's boring
I submitted the unboring 8 byte
 
itd probably be kH or something
 
That's exactly it
 
12:02 AM
That's it exactly :P
 
exactly, that's it
 
Ash's unboring Hello, world! is probably between 5 and 7 bytes
 
it's that exactly
 
it, that exactly is
 
that, it exactly is
 
12:03 AM
And that's enough :)
 
charcoal's hello world is even more boring
 
admire: the english language
 
the english language: admire
 
@ASCII-only unless it's a built-in constant, then it isn't boring
 
admire the language: english
admine english: the language
 
12:03 AM
Watch: me wish I had RO powers
 
> Hello, World!
yea it's very interesting
 
@ASCII-only more interesting than just a single built-in
 
lyxal i have a question
 
okay ask me the question
 
why does vyxal's string compression algorithm change every 5 minutes
 
12:05 AM
Because I keep screwing up the code page
 
smh
be charcoal
 
Because I keep accidentally having too many characters or too few characters or because I have duplicate characters
 
screw up the code page with builtins that are used exclusively for a subset of mathematica...
 
No as in I muck up the actual implementation
 
wait what
@Lyxal wouldn't hurt to stick some asserts into your code
 
12:07 AM
@RedwolfPrograms You're closing on Adám :P
 
@UnrelatedString I did
 
"what" as in your jaw is dropping at lyxal's unparalleled skill?
 
It has helped
 
okay good
 
12:07 AM
@cairdcoinheringaahing he's not 'closing on Adám', he's redwolf programs
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing doesn't adam have negative rep per week
 
@ASCII-only Talking about the RO election :P
 
@rak1507 very astute observation
 
@UnrelatedString I wish I'd done it sooner
 
12:08 AM
Why's everyone being so critical of Vyxal
 
interesting to me that the least active person is the most upvoted
 
yea i must have singlehandedly closed the gap between him and adam
 
@RedwolfPrograms We're jealous :P
 
@rak1507 Activity != good RO
 
i didnt upvote bubbler cuz i dont know who he is
 
12:09 AM
@cairdcoinheringaahing As evidenced by me :P
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing true
 
It helps, but I'd rather a competent RO who lurks 95% of the time than a bad one whose always talking
 
I'd say sufficient activity is required, but messages sent != activity, and high activity doesn't mean good RO
 
yeah fair points
 
This may be advertising, but I am kinda sad that there is no BF on my question
 
12:10 AM
Is that even possible?
 
yes
stupidly easy
 
@hyper-neutrino -91 bytes :P
 
you can even obfuscate it
 
Oh yeah, forgot
It ignores the ones that are invalid
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing Answers on this site must be at least somewhat competitive; for example, removing whitespace and long variable names in code-golf. As such, I am removing this answer, but feel free to edit your answer to become competitive and flag for undeletion.
wow i have a typo in my template
how many copies of this comment have i sent with the typo
brb recontemplating life
 
12:12 AM
You mean retemplating life?
tough crowd tonight
 
retemplating file?????
can we have an f in chat
it turns out charcoal's string compression is kinda terrible
 
@hyper-neutrino Haven't noticed any taking a look through the recently deleted answers
 
I've definitely used it a couple of times at least otherwise I wouldn't have it saved
fortunately it doesn't seem like the people i've sent this to ever looked at it or decided to fix, or most are probably inactive :P
 
Ooh, as bad as Latin Square was, it did contribute towards Socratic :P
 
Is there unary compiler?
 
12:28 AM
@okie 16 bytes in Jelly, takes the size of the program and outputs the corresponding BF: BḊs3Ḅị“<+-.,[]>”
 
Add an L in front to take input as an actual Unary program
@hyper-neutrino 15 bytes
 
ah right
 
Isn't Unary where the input is the number of zeroes called Golunar?
 
12:30 AM
of which Duocentehexaquinquagesimal is a derivative
 
> It is thus even further removed from usability.
Golunar is more usable than Unary
 
I saw that Duocentehexaquinquagesimal had a code page and got excited, then realized it was a quadruple derivative
 
at least the programs fit in the universe
@RedwolfPrograms not even a new codepage either; it's just 05AB1E's codepage
 
Yeah, that's where the fourth derivativeness comes from :p
 
right, i can't count
 
12:32 AM
No, I just made that up when I realized I miscounted the number of language it was derived from
You gave me a convenient excuse so I took it
 
It takes 10IPL somewhere between forty and sixty bytes to do a conditional jump :/
 
Clearly to make it more derivative, we should add in stax's packing to Duocentehexaquinquagesimal
 
That's basically what it is
Stax packed unary
Make it a quinary derivative
 
i will +500 a quine in Duocentehexaquinquagesimal
 
12:37 AM
Bet
Never wrote a quine before but I guess it's time to learn
 
it's pretty easy once you've seen one
 
You probably won't use the typical quine methods to write it
 
for normalish languages
 
You could probably just repeatedly run the program with new inputs until it reaches a fixed point
 
since duocentehexaquinquagesimal uses an SBCS, is outputting equivalent bytes valid as a quine?
 
12:39 AM
I think that's what you'd do yeah
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing you'd probably be waiting till the heat death of the universe
 
@ASCII-only what's wrong with it?
 
nothing
just that hello world apparently can't be compressed to below 13 chars
 
not in brotli's dictionary?
 
guess not
 
12:42 AM
(I managed to force TIO's charcoal to mostly accept complex numbers again: codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/222982/17602)
 
i don't imagine it would be a very common string tbf
o_o
 
Hey wanna see something funny I made?
 
I am curious and want to see, but after seeing will probably wish that I hadn't.
 
Seeing terrible things is temporary, getting annoyed at Lyxal is forever :P
 
12:45 AM
 
@Lyxal Make this your profile picture, I beg or dare you, whichever works
 
what is this
 
@ASCII-only well, they exist separately, if gist.github.com/klauspost/2900d5ba6f9b65d69c8e is to be believed, but I don't know how much that takes up after compression
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing SE probably wouldn't let me because of file size
@ASCII-only honestly I don't know
 
what manner of creature is in that photo
 
12:47 AM
That's the final stage of lyxalitis
 
@Neil charcoal doesn't do sentence casing
 
I think Lyxal's profile picture should be the text "I am Lyxal"
 
could probably have done some kind of dictionary compression like jelly
 
@ASCII-only oh, you said "hello world", but you meant "Hello, World!"?
 
CMP: What should Lyxal's profile picture be?
 
12:48 AM
yea
but then again, if you want to make a sentence, why are you using charcoal anywya
 
actually Charcoal can't compress "hello world" either
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing I'll change it if y'all give images
 
i should change my pfp to a bird of some sort
 
How is unary bijective? Doesn't there have to be 3n+1 bits?
 
not necessarily
wait actually
 
12:52 AM
@cairdcoinheringaahing a picture of your dog, and your profile picture should be lyxals
it would cause maximum confusion
 
The official converter 404s :|
 
unary is bijective to the natural numbers, but Unary is not bijective to BF code
 
@rak1507 That'd just encourage these baseless diagnoses of Lyxalitis
 
@RedwolfPrograms who said that
 
The esolangs page says that's how it's converted
 
12:54 AM
ah
 
Each character in BF becomes three bits and a one is tacked on
Why did that remind me of the simpsons "one gun can be trivially converted into five guns" thing
 
it's close
 
Because you're American
Don't y'all measure things in guns per hamburger or something?
 
No, it's hamburgers per gun for most things
 
but the one being tacked on makes it not quite bijective
 
12:55 AM
Usually we measure frequency in guns per hamburger
And normal stuff with Hb/G
 
Ah of course
 
Metric uses fish and chips per knife IIRC
 
wow I just open the cg homepage forgetting i had my userscript (LFAPOU) still active
I got lucky
 
What's the userscript?
 
haha
rickroll (but only sometimes)
 
12:58 AM
@cairdcoinheringaahing when opening codegolf.stackexchange.com, there's a chance it replaces everything with rick
 
So if(random) { open(rickroll); }?
 
pretty much
 
@RedwolfPrograms we use beavertails per hockey stick, sometimes maple syrup per hockey stick to measure things like volume
 
@cairdcoinheringaahing (gist.github.com/Lyxal/79792919642191e432c8c57fd72d4bd6) if you don't trust me
 
@hyper-neutrino Can't forget eh's per minute, eh? :P
 
12:59 AM
If you still don't trust them, gist.github.com/Lyxal/…
 
@OldSandboxPosts hello there
 
General Kenobi!
I was typing that before you even commented lol
 
@Lyxal I might modify the script to respond to those messages only :P
 
wow have I memorized redwolf's pfp?
 
1:11 AM
Okay a duocentwhateverthefrick quine is going to be difficult
 
@Wezl OwO is this Redwolf?
 
That looks like my GH and Lyxal's GH combined
Lyxal is the foreground obviously, but there's a faint pawprint in the background
Yeah I give up on the duocentfrick quine, my attempts to trivially automate it failed :p
 
@RedwolfPrograms "frick" - welcome to the spiral
 
2:03 AM
Hello
 
yes
 
y
(I'd spam this chat with "y"s to pretend I'm the yes command, but that likely be frowned upon)
 
I just joined the chat right when you said Hello lol
 
@Lyxal How about a picture of Rick Astley? Would that count as rickrolling anyone who sees your profile?
 
@RedwolfPrograms user never said "Hello lol"
they only said "Hello"
stoopid. ;p
 
2:06 AM
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

hyper-neutrinoGetting bystanders' help code-golf array-manipulation mathematics The Bystander Effect is a phenomenon where individuals are less likely to help a victim if other people are present. The idea is that as there are more people around, the individual burden is less, and each individual thinks "someo...

 
@Lyxal y
 
@user x
 
y
 
I just got the discussion tag badge!
 
@user :/ I was hoping you'd reply a then I'd've replied l
 
2:07 AM
No idea how
 
@Lyxal o
I was pretending to be the yes command
@RedwolfPrograms The Sandbox is tagged , so maybe from that?
CMP: What should I change my pfp to? (nothing unique/creative, please)
 
No, turns out it's mostly from a few discussions I happened to be a part of, as well as a lot of the blog stuff
Sandbox was a small part of it
 
just implemented base64 encoding/decoding in thunkable
 
Is that like Scratch?
 
@user yes but for applications
 
2:12 AM
@user your identicon, but rotated by 180 degrees (:P)
 
@hyper-neutrino Done, how does it look now? :P
 
Your identicon, with the hue changed
 
@user gonna bet you didn't download the picture, rotate it, and upload as a custom picture, like i said to
if you did then 11/10 otherwise 0/10
 
@RedwolfPrograms Nah, photo editing is too hard
 
Make it...and this is a wild suggestion...GREEN
 
2:14 AM
@hyper-neutrino :(
 
Solid green? That sounds nice
I think I'll make it solid black, actually, that's one of my favorite colors
 
don't try to lie to me, i can check if you uploaded :) (though i won't disclose that, even if it doesn't matter in a joke situation like this, just for consistent adherence to rules (probably))
 
No no no just your identicon but green
 
@RedwolfPrograms I told you, editing photos is too hard. I need an uncreative solution
 
2:15 AM
Also turns out I did a stupid
 
if you make it solid black i will start getting you, caird, and lyxal mixed up (only because the chat icons are small on the left side of chat)
 
okay time to try and attempt to implement AES encryption in thunkable
 
I found a 43 byte solution to a problem that was possible in like ten
Okay maybe 20
 
nice :D
 
@hyper-neutrino All the more reason to do it :P
 
2:49 AM
can someone make a userscript to make starboard messages by yourself have yello star
@Lyxal starboard images is the only one wirth having
 
i'm getting a headache already...
 
oh god this is breaking chat
 
You have to admit this is a good userscript to have
It's better than starboard images any day
 
@user On it!
 
2:51 AM
it won't give you up, or let you down
 
@Lyxal I thought you made those more discreet.
 
there are now 5 messages here
 
Oh yeah
 
@Lyxal you aren't putting as much effort in as usual
 
@Lyxal Gotta be more subtle
 
2:51 AM
didn't you give me a list of rickrolling tips once?
 
@hyper-neutrino Thank you
 
@user I know, right? Lyxal isn't themselves
 
@RedwolfPrograms too true
 
@user Ha, and I messed it up with RTL override characters
 
@RedwolfPrograms What are your opinions on SQL? I personally find it to be quite good.
 
2:52 AM
@Lyxal really? I hate SQL.
 
@Lyxal Heathen.
]
 
i am frankly quite amazed that the starboard messages seem to have the right username
 
@RedwolfPrograms Sorry, that was my cat
 
Blame it on caching
 
@user old messages don't update usernames ever
 
2:53 AM
oh
 
@Lyxal <whisper>Any tips on impersonating you?</whisper>
 
someone's going to come across this in the chat logs one day
and wonder why user is talking to himself
 
lol
 
I would love to be a fly on that person's laptop
 
@RedwolfPrograms <whisper>I talk about JS and SQL, I make jokes, and I ask questions about Ash</whisper>
 
2:55 AM
@user Wait a minute, y'all are tarnishing my reputation as a sane person
@Lyxal <whisper>Thanks!</whisper>
 
<whisper>make sure to mention 10IPL</whisper>
 
So for Ash, should I add combinators like K and I?
 
@user technically they do if the user account is deleted for being underage (and I think only for that reason)
 
@hyper-neutrino ah okay, got it
 
Also, who wants to help out on my Minecraft computer?
 
2:56 AM
@RedwolfPrograms I just want to join for a minute to make sure dennis is in his tank
 
@RedwolfPrograms clearly that is a no, I is redundant, you only need S and K
 
when an underage account is deleted every single bit of info the account ever had is completely demolished because SE can't have it (COPPA or something like that)
 
what's minecraft
 
@user Right, but those take bytes, and can be useful
 
2:57 AM
their content is still tied to an ID and can be merged back into another account if the user rejoins after turning 13
 
@user I honestly don't know
 
@user idk
There's blocks and you use redstone
 
@RedwolfPrograms you've got a server don't you?
 
@user of course you don't, you're me
 
@user Yeah
 
2:58 AM
@RedwolfPrograms didn't you and lyxal beat the enderdragon together?
 
We sure did
 
@user Uh...yeah, totally. I know exactly what you're talking about
 
didn't hyper make a piano
and set it on fire or something
 
and @Lyxal didn't you build a sign above an island out of netherrack only to not finish it ever?
 
The piano was after I left I think
 
2:59 AM
I'm just happy I'm awake during this conversation so I don't have to read the logs.
 
Must be great living in Texas. It sounds like such an amazing place, but the weather is weird.
 

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