The Nineteenth Byte

MD XF

9:01 PM

@Mr.Xcoder >.<

Christopher

@trichoplax I guess

@trichoplax Actually that would be super nice

@HyperNeutrino my KotH handler is still not working. I think they are just hitting the same hand on both sides

Step Hen

@cairdcoinheringaahing Uh it would have to be something super trivial like 1,2,3,4... or 1,0,0,0,0... or a constant sequence

Christopher

i would fix it but you used advanced python

Step Hen

@cairdcoinheringaahing problem is it would take a bit to write, and I'd get ninjad to oblivion

Christopher

@HyperNeutrino I think that you updated the handler locally but never pushed the update to gist

caird coinheringaahing

9:13 PM

@StepHen yeah. Although, if I get an really easy sequence, I'll tell you first, so you can work on Taxi

@HyperNeutrino you were gone for a while

HyperNeutrino

Hello. Yes, I went to eat dinner :P

Christopher

@HyperNeutrino Will you send me the version of the handler you have?

HyperNeutrino

Yup, hold on, let me find a memory stick first.

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino its 22:00 here so dinner is a little weird

HyperNeutrino

lol

caird coinheringaahing

9:18 PM

@HyperNeutrino can I tell you a story? :)

HyperNeutrino

sure

@Christopher I don't have a memory stick right now, sorry. I can't send it to you. I can check if your version is correct though.

caird coinheringaahing

We have a kid in our school who always says "Sorry", after doing anything. We gave him an elastic band, to pull whenever he said it, so that it would kind of hurt and he'd stop. That was 6 months ago, and nothing's happened. Maybe, we could do the same thing with you and "lol", but downvote, rather than elastic band :)

HyperNeutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing You can go ahead and do that. I might stop saying lol, and you might stop having an account :))))) lol

*facepalm* of course I said lol at the end xD

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino you wouldn't be a random stranger I'm never going to meet if you didn't.

lol

HyperNeutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing huh? I did not understand that :P

@Mr.Xcoder Congrats on 5k rep!

BlackCap

9:22 PM

I think everybody else should start saying lol too
lol

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino Thanks a lot!

HyperNeutrino

:)

wtf does the next sequence even mean ಠ_ಠ

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino its a play on "You wouldn't be you if you didn't", but because we never are going to meet, I changed it. I make terrible jokes :(

HyperNeutrino

rip

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino idk. I've given up trying to take part :(

HyperNeutrino

9:24 PM

ono :(

BlackCap

I think it has something to do with

primes, lol

HyperNeutrino

*gasp* couldn't have guessed lol

lol I've lost 270 rep to the cap today

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino what for?

New Main Posts

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Q: Formic Functions - Ant Queen of the Hill Contest

Not actual game footage Each player starts with one ant - a queen, who collects food. Each piece of food can be held or used to produce a worker. Workers also collect food to be brought back to the queen. All players compete in one arena. The winner is the queen holding the most food after sh...

HyperNeutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing a lot of things

caird coinheringaahing

9:30 PM

For ^^, I think this could be the only KoTH with ninjas in it :)

Step Hen

Just posted a puzzle over at Puzzling

0

Q: Help, what is Sistek saying?

While I was bored yesterday, I met this girl online. Her name is Sistek - she said she's Czech, but her English is perfect, so I don't really know. We started chatting, and I told her that I was an expert code breaker (I installed a program that can crack substitution ciphers a while ago so that ...

cipher

caird coinheringaahing

@StepHen ooh. How'd it go with Sistek?

HyperNeutrino

No Robert met Sistek, not Stephen lol

Step Hen

^^

I dunno if those guys will solve it quickly or not, it's a pretty decent cipher but I'm no cryptologist

caird coinheringaahing

@StepHen what's the answer?

I won't answer, I promise

HyperNeutrino

9:34 PM

ಠ_ಠ

Step Hen

@cairdcoinheringaahing not telling 0.o but I promise you you'll like it

HyperNeutrino

If anyone from Crypto.SE comes over they might crack it pretty quickly :P

caird coinheringaahing

rot13?

HyperNeutrino

> decent cipher

rot13 is not decent lol

If it's RSA I will ಠ_ಠ you

caird coinheringaahing

J'a => I'd / I'm

Step Hen

9:35 PM

@HyperNeutrino It's not I promise you

HyperNeutrino

good xD

Step Hen

@cairdcoinheringaahing Problem was, my substitution cipher program didn't work

HyperNeutrino

Ulun looks like a name.

What names have the same first and third letter?

caird coinheringaahing

@StepHen basic punctuation and sentence structure

Step Hen

That program is perfect I can promise you, no matter how short, it if was straight substitution it would find it

HyperNeutrino

9:35 PM

Though that would be a substitution cipher, so nvm.

Step Hen

Trust me it's a bit more complex than what you two are guessing :P

caird coinheringaahing

@StepHen yes but in this one instance, J'a => I'd / I'm

HyperNeutrino

It looks like some sort of letter-for-letter encryption, based on the fact that it's properly structured.

Step Hen

@cairdcoinheringaahing w/e you say

HyperNeutrino

I really hope you did not take the ASCII codepoints and encrypt every char ಠ_ಠ

Step Hen

9:36 PM

@HyperNeutrino Well, solve it then :) and if you can't, try to make someone else do it

caird coinheringaahing

@StepHen I'd upvote, but I never joined puzzling

Step Hen

@HyperNeutrino not sharing any more info sorry

HyperNeutrino

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have a friend who's pretty good at cryptography

Step Hen

@HyperNeutrino but she said she'd only give me one [hint] a day, starting tomorrow

HyperNeutrino

lol ok

I'm not sure if he's better at crypto theory or actually decoding things

> Cc tqt khxeq

caird coinheringaahing

9:38 PM

@StepHen hang on. You encrypted it, so just tell Robert. Or do you not want him to score with "Sistek"?

HyperNeutrino

Can't be substitution, because there are no double-letter words in common English.

Step Hen

@cairdcoinheringaahing I also created Robert, your task is What chat handle did Robert use?

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino If I VTC my answer-chaining, will the community automatically close it?

HyperNeutrino

Depends on what you VTC as.

Step Hen

@cairdcoinheringaahing why would you VTC it? And no but it'll go into queues, unless you VTC as dupe

HyperNeutrino

9:39 PM

I think you can self-dupe-hammer but nothing else.

dzaima

^

HyperNeutrino

Besides, if you VTC it, even if it gets closed, it's going to get VTRO'd so hard.

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino @StepHen I'm getting too much rep.

Step Hen

^^

HyperNeutrino

>.<

Step Hen

9:39 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing We'd just reopen it

someone would hammer

HyperNeutrino

That's not a valid reason to close it. Why wouldn't you want rep anyway?

Step Hen

and then you couldn't ever VTC it again :P

repcap probs

HyperNeutrino

lol

caird coinheringaahing

I'm one of those users who sits in the background and watches the bosses boss

HyperNeutrino

So? It's not like not capping gets you any more rep.

@cairdcoinheringaahing i.e. Leaky? xD

caird coinheringaahing

9:40 PM

@HyperNeutrino Leaky, Erik, Dennis, Martin, xnor etc

@HyperNeutrino can't forget StepHen and his Taxis tho

HyperNeutrino

lol true

caird coinheringaahing

I kinda want to VTC it now, just to see the community's reaction. How fast can you reopen it?

Step Hen

@cairdcoinheringaahing I don't deserve it though, EngineerToast is much better at Taxi than me

HyperNeutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing If you do that, you might get suspended. I don't know what the policy is but I don't think you're allowed to do that.

I'd VTRO as soon as it got closed, and let's say stephen and dzaima do to. Two other drive-by common users might see it and reopen it. That's pretty fast.

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino I'm not allowed to close a popular question even if I hate it?

HyperNeutrino

9:43 PM

"Hating" is not a valid close reason.

There's no close-vote option called "I hate this post" :P

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino yeah, but people have done it for that reason

HyperNeutrino

Well it was always underspecified in some way or too broad; I think and I hope that questions have never been closed just from people disliking it for no good reason.

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino I wonder if Calvin ever had a challenge closed...

Step Hen

@cairdcoinheringaahing Why do you hate it 0.o it's genius

@cairdcoinheringaahing Prolly his first one ever :P

caird coinheringaahing

@StepHen I told you, too much rep. I'm sticking out like a sore thumb, which is bad for my reputation as a watcher

HyperNeutrino

9:45 PM

Why do you dislike reputation?

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino because I never get it >.<

HyperNeutrino

Then what's the problem with getting it?

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino too... much... change! Aaaaahhhh runs off screaming

Step Hen

@cairdcoinheringaahing genius idea: give it away by doing some bounties

caird coinheringaahing

@StepHen No i hate getting rep, I like having rep

HyperNeutrino

9:47 PM

>.<

caird coinheringaahing

Yes I appreciate the irony

Step Hen

@HyperNeutrino if you could hack into the Python programs on my laptop or my flashdrive, or see all the tabs I just closed, you'd be able to answer it

HyperNeutrino

answer what?

Step Hen

@HyperNeutrino The puzzling thing I posted

Mr. Xcoder

We should now create Python 4 such that we can then use for our OEIS challenge

HyperNeutrino

9:48 PM

oh lol

@Mr.Xcoder ಠ_ಠ

caird coinheringaahing

Answer honestly: would you be fine letting your parents see your complete search/browsing history?

Step Hen

@cairdcoinheringaahing If they took the time to click each link, probably not (for browsing history)

HyperNeutrino

Search history? Sure.

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Absolutely not.

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder why?

HyperNeutrino

9:48 PM

Browsing history? Sure.

I mean, I don't think it has anything from older than today...

Step Hen

@HyperNeutrino complete search /browsing history aka undeleted

HyperNeutrino

oh

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing in my case, they'll see HackerRank and they'll think I hack things

Step Hen

what your ISP has

totallyhuman

My parents alreadyy check so...

caird coinheringaahing

9:49 PM

@totallyhuman :(

HyperNeutrino

Oh what my ISP has

Step Hen

@totallyhuman #incognito

Socratic Phoenix

@totallyhuman but same

HyperNeutrino

well, my parents can already look at that, so... lol

my dad is able to check what goes through the router

now my phone does have a proxy but I only use that to access reddit and imgur (SE links) at school lol

Socratic Phoenix

@StepHen my mom uses some dark magic to see everything... aaand she can't figure out how to log out of her computer... she's not just bluffing either...

caird coinheringaahing

9:50 PM

I wouldn't mind, because Incognito Mode doesn't store history :D

Mr. Xcoder

Plus @cairdcoinheringaahing I browse ~300 pages a day, they'll tell me I spend too much time on the internet

HyperNeutrino

It doesn't prevent ISP stalking though xD

Besides, my parents disapprove of me spending too much time on SE and that's about 99% of my history :P

Step Hen

@Mr.Xcoder what's wrong with hacking things?

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino my parents use me as tech support. I think im safe

HyperNeutrino

lol

Mr. Xcoder

9:51 PM

@StepHen It's generally thought that "hacking" is a bad thing

HyperNeutrino

my mom doesn't know how to do much computer stuff but my dad is pretty good at computer stuff (he's a programmer too lol)

Step Hen

@HyperNeutrino I assumed as much xD

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino tell me he doesn't use Java

Socratic Phoenix

@cairdcoinheringaahing my first language was java!

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing My parents also think I'm Their computer expert and think I am their ISP, so...

HyperNeutrino

9:52 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing That's his main language...

There's a reason I learned Java xD

It's called "my dad uses it"

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino what have you done?!

Step Hen

@cairdcoinheringaahing TIOBE Index on most commonly used languages

@cairdcoinheringaahing I learned Java to write an Android app, what's so bad with it?

caird coinheringaahing

@StepHen yeah I know. I still hate Java though

BlackCap

I'd be fine with them reading my history if they did it on my computer.

caird coinheringaahing

I grew up on Python, Java is just so OOP its unbelievable

Socratic Phoenix

9:53 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Java is great! It has all the good features from nowhere and is super verbose....

it does have a massive standard lib though....

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing Java is horrible. Finally one understands me 👍🏽

caird coinheringaahing

@SocraticPhoenix Python has 3 different way of defining numbers

Socratic Phoenix

shhh

Step Hen

Java makes big projects smaller and makes small projects bigger

Mr. Xcoder

Bye!

Step Hen

9:54 PM

Python makes small projects smaller and big projects bigger

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder why aren't you doing the Jelly CMC?

Socratic Phoenix

Full disclosure: I only know Java because I learned to program because I wanted to mod minecraft -_-

totallyhuman

Lol

caird coinheringaahing

If you have time to chat, you have enough time to code Jelly

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing because I saw yours already and had the same thing in mind, anyway

Step Hen

9:54 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing but not to learn Jelly

caird coinheringaahing

@StepHen not a chance

@HyperNeutrino how long have you been learning it?

HyperNeutrino

For as long as Hypertraining has existed :P

Step Hen

@HyperNeutrino that makes sense, you know

Socratic Phoenix

What even is Jelly... I tried to read the wiki but it... it just confuses me

caird coinheringaahing

And you're still level 4

HyperNeutrino

9:55 PM

Yes :P

caird coinheringaahing

@SocraticPhoenix advice: run

HyperNeutrino

@StepHen just because "Hyper"?

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing It makes no sense solving it again

Step Hen

@SocraticPhoenix It uses functions to make function chains that implicitly input into each other, as far as I can understand

caird coinheringaahing

@Mr.Xcoder do you want a CMC or are you going to bed?

Socratic Phoenix

9:56 PM

@StepHen why can't it just be a nice sequential instruction language...

Step Hen

@HyperNeutrino and the fact that you capitalized the H

@SocraticPhoenix that's not golfy :P

Socratic Phoenix

true...

HyperNeutrino

The room is called "Jelly Hypertraining" though :P

caird coinheringaahing

@StepHen 05AB1E is golfy

HyperNeutrino

dammit I have to go swimming with my family ಠ_ಠ o/ hope I don't die

totallyhuman

9:57 PM

Bye

Step Hen

@SocraticPhoenix input()+input() is a lot less golfy than +

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing this time I am on mobile in bed, so I guess I want to stop Jelly for now. I must sleep. Thanks!

Socratic Phoenix

swimming is great!

caird coinheringaahing

@HyperNeutrino don't drown!

Step Hen

@SocraticPhoenix he lives in Canada, it can't be that hot there (/stereotype)

Socratic Phoenix

9:57 PM

@StepHen but... the + instruction could still do implicit input...

Step Hen

@SocraticPhoenix which is why the function chains are the power of Jelly :P

I don't know them, but you can basically have them all input into each other without doing anything except call them

Mr. Xcoder

@cairdcoinheringaahing and everyone else: See you!

Socratic Phoenix

sounds like dark magic

caird coinheringaahing

@SocraticPhoenix what is golfier: +H*2 or +2/2*?

@Mr.Xcoder bye!

Socratic Phoenix

4 = 4?

caird coinheringaahing

9:58 PM

@SocraticPhoenix 4 != 5

Socratic Phoenix

wow... I can't count

does anyone here know Kotlin? I've only peeked and it looks wonderful... any thoughts? Should I learn it?

caird coinheringaahing

I've posted 19 starred messages, and starred 15. Seems right

You

...hello?

caird coinheringaahing

@You hello

Its pretty quiet at the moment

You

Yep.

caird coinheringaahing

10:10 PM

I've gtg o/

You

Bye...

...im scared of the quiet...

BlackCap

media.istockphoto.com/vectors/tumbleweed-vector-id500910167

You

That image understands me!

That image... it's so like me, with all the watermarks!

BlackCap

I don't know, I think you look like a quasar

You

I used to have watermarks. But now, I don't have any, and that's why there are creationists and big-bangists.

BlackCap

10:19 PM

ah

I can see how watermarks would be a selling point

You

Yeah. Think of how much more peaceful the world would be if the universe had watermarks.

Quite frankly, I don't remember what my watermarks said. :\

BlackCap

How did you lose them?

You

I have no idea.

Maybe it's something to do with entropy.

ETHproductions

Is anyone here working on A000057 right now?

Socratic Phoenix

the watermarks simply tended to a more stable state

You

10:24 PM

@SocraticPhoenix Yup.

BlackCap

@ETHproductions I think everyone gave up

ETHproductions

(before I start talking about the OEIS sequence challenge here, there isn't a separate room for that, right?)

BlackCap

No, go ahead

ETHproductions

The algorithm is actually really simple: Find the n'th prime p where Fibonacci(p) is the smallest number in the Fibonacci sequence divisible by p

BlackCap

THE fibonacci sequence?

totallyhuman

10:27 PM

"math, math, math Fibonacci! Math math math"

ETHproductions

(or maybe Fibonacci(p+1), if your Fibonacci list has different indexing)

@BlackCap Correct

You

Man, I better finish up my language so I can rewrite other people's answers.

Actually, I'm not allowed to do that, am I?

ETHproductions

I've written Japt code to find some of these numbers, however due to how quickly the Fibonacci sequence grows it breaks down after about 67: ethproductions.github.io/japt/…

BlackCap

@You You are not allowed to change the answer itself, but you are free to translate their answer to your language

ETHproductions

However, if you generate the Fibonacci sequence by hand, you can just modulate each number by p as you go along and count the iterations until you reach 0

You

10:29 PM

@BlackCap Okay, thanks. Now I just got to get Xcode to cooperate. :P

BlackCap

Do you not have to check an infinite number of fibonacci sequences?

ETHproductions

Nope

From the page:

> Primes p such that the smallest positive m for which Fibonacci(m) == 0 (mod p) is m=p+1.

@BlackCap Try it online!

Socratic Phoenix

@You what's your language like?

ETHproductions

I guess you don't even have to check for primality, the output already lines up except for the leading 1

Finalized JavaScript entry: Try it online!

JavaScript's already been used twice though, idk if I want to add a third

BlackCap

javascript (Node.js) is considered a separate language?

ETHproductions

10:41 PM

I think so

seems kinda stretching the definition of "separate language" though

Do you have a different one you could implement it in?

Ooh, maybe I'll do Haxe

You

To be honest, I'm not entirely sure how to describe it. The best I can describe it as, at the moment, is a C with less words and more symbols. :P I have a Python version available on GitHub now, but I feel like it is so unusable because python is so slow for this kind of task.

Here is code for the fibannacii sequence, for example: `$n{?n<2{->n}{->@(n-1}+@(n-2)}}`

BlackCap

I had a go at translating it to livescript

Socratic Phoenix

@You cool!

You

Thanks!

I'm going to work a bit on my language now.

BlackCap

@You is that polish notation?

You

10:44 PM

@BlackCap No, it's infix. What looks like polish there?

BlackCap

it is both

? and @

MD XF

Hey I found another way around the rep limit

You

Yeah, now I see how that could look like polish. :P

? is if, and @ is a reference to the current function for recursion.

MD XF

Delete an answer, cap, undelete the answer

Socratic Phoenix

@MDXF I've never come close to capping -_-. Are you saying you cap enough to discover bugs in the capping system? xD

MD XF

10:46 PM

@SocraticPhoenix I've capped about 15 times

I've found two bugs now

Socratic Phoenix

it must be pretty buggy then...

MD XF

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Socratic Phoenix

then again, what isn't?

You

I feel so small, I only have the association bonus plus a tiny bit more. :P

MD XF

I get all my rep from seg faults (see my profile, Active page, highest voted answers tab)

I'm seriously debating changing my name to Segmentation Fault

You

10:48 PM

Wow.

MD XF

Yup

Socratic Phoenix

@MDXF I have the most votes on main on a Java answer... for a code-challenge... and more votes than that on some question I asked on meta forever ago about introducing a new language to the community...

You

@SocraticPhoenix I think I saved your post in my bookmarks. :P

Socratic Phoenix

ahem... is chat rep different from site rep?

ETHproductions

@BlackCap Posted

BlackCap

10:54 PM

That was a lot less complicated than I thought it was

ETHproductions

Always read the OEIS comments thoroughly :P

BlackCap

The next one doesn't have comments

Socratic Phoenix

next sequence is a simple formula :)

Christopher

@HyperNeutrino It is the one on the question

ETHproductions

@BlackCap Are you looking at 107? I was wrong, it's 108

BlackCap

10:56 PM

phew

i was

You

I kinda want to put my language into that challenge, even though it's far from finished.

Christopher

Do it

It does not matter

BlackCap

Unfortunately you cannot use a version of your language newer than the quetion

You

The python version is old.

BlackCap

Actually does that rule apply here?

Christopher

10:59 PM

@BlackCap but you can

You just mark it NC for being new

BlackCap

There is no way he could have predicted sequences arising from answers newer than his language

You

:P

Christopher

I think it is competing for KoTH but not for CnR

You

Last commit is on March 18.

IMA GONNA DO DIS!!!! :D

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Date Shortener code-golfnumber Doing my history reading and note-taking, I can't help but get tired of writing out all these long dates –– 1784 is six entire pencil lifts! jǝǝz! As you can see, I –– like most challenge posters on this site –– am lazy when it comes to writing stuff. Thus, I ask...

Step Hen

11:12 PM

@Christopher @BlackCap @You this has been overturned in a recent meta post, you can now use interpreters/compilers newer then the challenge, although designing them for the challenge is considered under standard loopholes: link to meta post

Socratic Phoenix

@StepHen cool! I'd seen that, but didn't know if the discussion had finished...

Step Hen

By the way, if anyone likes decoding stuff, I made a cipher

caird coinheringaahing

@Christopher I set a +50 bounty for your SQL answer, well done!

BlackCap

@cairdcoinheringaahing care to link it?

Christopher

11:28 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing ty man

:D

caird coinheringaahing

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A: Suggest me a challenge!

SEDE SQL: 79 bytes Select Id from posts where ClosedDate IS NULL AND Tags !='tips' ORDER BY RAND() There are 2 catches. One you have to wait for a while before running again or you have a cache hit (as a mod told me) and you only get the question id number. I may be able to add the url but I c...

its readable, but still winning. It deserves a bounty IMO

Newly Featured Questions

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Q: Suggest me a challenge!

I am too bored and want a challenge to solve. But I do not see any interesting challenges, and I am too lazy to search for one. Can you (Well, technically your code) suggest me one? I/O Input: None. Output: A link to a random open(i.e. non-closed) challenge("Challenge" excludes tips!) on PPC...

code-golf stack-exchange-api

caird coinheringaahing

@BlackCap Check the OEIS question. I've edited in a new thing.

BlackCap

Malbolge.

ETHproductions

Here's how I'd solve A000152: Given a non-negative n, for each partition-into-squares p of n of length l <= 16, take the number of arrangements of p in a length-16 array and multiply by 2^l. Then sum the results

If that makes sense...

BlackCap

11:43 PM

@ETHproductions Have you seen the update to the OEIS question?

caird coinheringaahing

@BlackCap is that a nomination?

ETHproductions

@BlackCap Yeah

BlackCap

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yes, but I guess it is still too early to make one

caird coinheringaahing

@BlackCap 16 minutes too early :P