The Nineteenth Byte

Mr. Xcoder

15:00

@LeakyNun It's hard because I cannot think of a way to solve it in anything other than the languages already out there

Leaky Nun

@Mr.Xcoder i'm out

Cows quack

@Mr.Xcoder how sed?

totallyhuman

how sad

2

Cows quack

sed is only made for string manipulation

Mr. Xcoder

@Cowsquack IDK, cat stuff made me think it works with directories

Phoenix

15:01

Maybe you pipe tree into sed? IDK

Cows quack

but sed can execute bash

totallyhuman

[nice] [hard]
erm why are those both on the same thing

Mr. Xcoder

Is anyone going to give a CMC that's solvable in Jelly and Pyth?

totallyhuman

all of them? :P

Mr. Xcoder

@totallyhuman Duh

totallyhuman

15:03

ok so here

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mr.Xcoder I think a74 is solvable in jelly

totallyhuman

you can run bash in python

and you can run python in jelly

bam

Mr. Xcoder

@EriktheOutgolfer CMC

Erik the Outgolfer

and pyth too, so that would make for a good cmc

Leaky Nun

@Mr.Xcoder really, A74 isn't that hard

Erik the Outgolfer

15:05

and yes m really stands for mini not maxi here

Mr. Xcoder

@LeakyNun Again, CMC

Leaky Nun

@Mr.Xcoder it isn't that hard

Mr. Xcoder

@LeakyNun CMC

Cows quack

CMC: destructive-concatenate two strings. abcdeff + fghijkk = abcdefghijkk. The fs in the middle all join to become one f. So the order of the arguments matter

Erik the Outgolfer

guys stop!

totallyhuman

15:05

you're missing the chat part :P

Erik the Outgolfer

whoever doesn't like a cmc just don't solve it dude

Leaky Nun

1 min ago, by Leaky Nun

@Mr.Xcoder it isn't that hard

totallyhuman

it's not about liking or disliking a cmc

Mr. Xcoder

@Cowsquack If the last of one and first of the other are identical, they join, else, they remain the same?

Cows quack

123 + 456 = 123456; 123 + 345 = 12345; 1233 + 456 = 1233456; 1233 + 33456 = 123456

Mr. Xcoder

15:06

1 min ago, by Mr. Xcoder

@LeakyNun CMC

totallyhuman

@LeakyNun dude you're missing the chat part of it :P

Mr. Xcoder

Let's stop

Leaky Nun

1 min ago, by Leaky Nun

@Mr.Xcoder it isn't that hard

Cows quack

@Mr.Xcoder yes, also look at the examples

Leaky Nun

@Mr.Xcoder how about no

totallyhuman

15:07

@Mr.Xcoder and you're just feeding the troll

Erik the Outgolfer

/me is out of this

Mr. Xcoder

@LeakyNun How about I'm out.?

Leaky Nun

@Mr.Xcoder bye

Mr. Xcoder

@LeakyNun I don't leave :p

Phoenix

@Downgoat I have made a pull request on VSL's GH.

totallyhuman

15:09

CMC: A108495

Phoenix

VSL v0.0.2-alpha.2 (interactive)
run `help` for more information.

vsl>2
Type Resolution Error: Literal has no overlapping type candidates. They are a few reasons this could happen: 1. The STL is not linked 2. You are using a literal which doesn't have a class associated with it. This is likely an internal bug, but check for an existing report before leaving your own. You can also try to define your own candidate using `@primitive(...)`
1 | 2
  | ^
2 |
vsl>2+2
TypeError: No deduction child handler for BinaryExpression

._.

totallyhuman

.-.

Mr. Xcoder

@Cowsquack Pyth, 15 bytes: KE?qeQhK+PQK+QK

dzaima

@totallyhuman SOGL, 5 bytes 7^κ6/

Cows quack

@Mr.Xcoder all fs should become into one f, the correct output for the first testcase is abcdefghijkk

totallyhuman

15:12

@dzaima where's the -n?

dzaima

@totallyhuman the κ - reverse subtract

Mr. Xcoder

@Cowsquack All fs, ah

totallyhuman

oh ^^

,,,, 7 bytes: :7*⇆-6÷

Mr. Xcoder

@totallyhuman Pyth, 7 bytes too: /-^Q7Q6

Erik the Outgolfer

@totallyhuman heh jelly 5 btyes: *7_÷6

totallyhuman

15:15

stupid tacit jelly ><

HyperNeutrino

@Phoenix @LeakyNun You had questions about my Python 1 mess?

owatf

+155 and I just got on

Phoenix

@HyperNeutrino Not really.

Just why Python 1

Cows quack

to my cmc, 22 bytes in sed, Try it online!

totallyhuman

because 2 and 3 were taken

Phoenix

?

I have no idea what you guys are talking about

totallyhuman

15:16

python 2 and 3 were taken

Phoenix

I just heard HyperNeutrino used Python 1 for something.

HyperNeutrino

Each language can only be used once until we reach 150 answers on the OEIS answer chaining challenge.

totallyhuman

you can't reuse languages

Cows quack

@totallyhuman I don't think Phoenix is talking about the answer chaining challenge

Phoenix

Ah, I see.

Cows quack

15:17

oh he was

totallyhuman

:P

Erik the Outgolfer

heh

HyperNeutrino

well what languages are left lol

BlackCap

esolangs.org/wiki/Language_list

HyperNeutrino

oh hey I can use Java another 8 times because there are 9 major versions lol

Mr. Xcoder

15:18

@HyperNeutrino 99, 2sable, 3var,...

Cows quack

COW

HyperNeutrino

can I use Java again

Erik the Outgolfer

@BlackCap esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Languages

Cows quack

you can use Processing

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino Of course, different versions are different languages

HyperNeutrino

15:18

yay

i'll claim it's Java 2

as long as it works in Java 2 lol

dzaima

trying to do this in SOGL, 85 bytes just for the decoder block -___-

HyperNeutrino

Cheddar?

totallyhuman

CMC: slightly harder as previous one was boring: A081681

Mr. Xcoder

CMC: abcd -> bcda, red->edr, yJava Is Crapp -> Java Is Crappy

HyperNeutrino

what's ceylon

oh it's another JVM lang isn't it

totallyhuman

15:19

yup

HyperNeutrino

@Mr.Xcoder lambda x:x[::-1]

Jelly: U

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino Nope

totallyhuman

no

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino Nope

HyperNeutrino

no?

dzaima

15:20

@Mr.Xcoder SOGL: «

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino read again

totallyhuman

red -> edr

HyperNeutrino

oh wait

Mr. Xcoder

@dzaima IDK

HyperNeutrino

whoops im dum

Mr. Xcoder

15:20

The first characters goes to the end

HyperNeutrino

lambda x:x[1:]+x[:1]

Jelly: ṙ1

Erik the Outgolfer

05AB1E: À

Cows quack

@Mr.Xcoder Dyalog APL, 1⌽⊢

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino lambda x: x[1:]+x[0], the String won't be empty

totallyhuman

,,,, 5 bytes: :1⊣⇆+

HyperNeutrino

15:22

@Mr.Xcoder oh wait I forgot that [1:] will give a string lol so I thought it would cause list+nonlist errors

Mr. Xcoder

Pyth, 4 bytes: +tQh

Pyth, 4 bytes: .<Q1

Cows quack

do you think my destructive concatenate challenge is good for main? ie not too trivial

totallyhuman

@totallyhuman wait that's wrong

Mr. Xcoder

@Cowsquack Hmm... I dunno

Erik the Outgolfer

@Cowsquack hmm...no strong opinion here

totallyhuman

15:24

wat

Erik the Outgolfer

CJam, 2 bytes: q(

q = take whole input ( = left uncons

so now stack is [q[1:] q[0]]

HyperNeutrino

haha yes ceylon has ** yay

Mr. Xcoder

CMC: n -> [n*n, n*(n-1), n*(n-2)..., n*(n-n)]

HyperNeutrino

lambda n:range(n*n,-1,-n)

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mr.Xcoder s/-n/0

HyperNeutrino

15:27

no

s/n-n/0

totallyhuman

^

Erik the Outgolfer

or even s/n*(n-n)/0

Mr. Xcoder

5 -> 25, 20, 15, 10, 5, 0

Cows quack

@HyperNeutrino s@$@/@

Mr. Xcoder

The order matters

HyperNeutrino

15:27

wat

totallyhuman

what is that

Cows quack

sed

totallyhuman

o0

HyperNeutrino

ohlol

Erik the Outgolfer

jelly: r0×

Cows quack

15:28

here I use @ as the delimiter instead of / for golfinesss, but that's not the point. The substitution adds a / at the end of your s/n-n/0

Erik the Outgolfer

05ab1e: ÝR*

Mr. Xcoder

Pyth, 5 bytes: _*LQh

@EriktheOutgolfer Can you outgolf me ^?

Cows quack

Dyalog APL, ⌽⊢×0,⍳

dzaima

@Mr.Xcoder SOGL: ²[Qκ

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mr.Xcoder *R_Uh (oh)

Mr. Xcoder

15:30

@EriktheOutgolfer God

Erik the Outgolfer

(untested lol)

totallyhuman

@Mr.Xcoder god has had nothing to do with pyth

Mr. Xcoder

@EriktheOutgolfer Does not work, obviously

Erik the Outgolfer

yeah it'd rather be *RQ_Uh

Mr. Xcoder

@EriktheOutgolfer It gives

[[], [1, 0], [2, 1, 0, 2, 1, 0], [3, 2, 1, 0, 3, 2, 1, 0, 3, 2, 1, 0], [4, 3, 2, 1, 0, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0]]

for 5 lol

@EriktheOutgolfer So, you cannot

Erik the Outgolfer

15:32

yeah it seems I can't

_*RQh is another one

Mr. Xcoder

@EriktheOutgolfer Golf it a bit _*RQh

Erik the Outgolfer

ninja'd

Mr. Xcoder

Just replaced L with R, basically

HyperNeutrino

how tf do you use ceylon

anyone here know ceylon

it's saying my variables aren't variables

halp

Cows quack

Bash, 20 bytes, seq $(($1*$1)) -$1 0

Mr. Xcoder

15:35

@Cowsquack Why do I get operand expected (error token is "*")?

Cows quack

this is a script, so you have to save it as a file

Mr. Xcoder

@Cowsquack Ah, I dunno bash

HyperNeutrino

hey I got ceylon to print hi

took me like 5 tries lol

Cows quack

$1 refers to the first argument. seq creates a sequence from arg1 to arg3 with each step of arg2

so this creates a sequence from arg*arg to 0 with a step of -arg

Mr. Xcoder

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Build me a complex Stairway! You will be given a String consisting of printable ASCII. Your task is to build a nice Stairway for my Castle. How to build a nice Stairway? First off, you should get all the rotations of the String. For example, the String abcd has the following rotations: abcd, ...

?

HyperNeutrino

15:39

DAMMIT How do you take input in Ceylon ._.

Mr. Xcoder

It's easy

HyperNeutrino

why do none of the languages I see have the ability to take input ._.

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino The best solution: Don't.

HyperNeutrino

at least they don't document it or make it something normal ._.

yeah but then how do I test ._.

Cows quack

try dc, it's a nice language with math stuff

you take input with ?, but note that the language is stack-based

HyperNeutrino

15:41

ah ok

lol I keep forgetting that Ceylon isn't python and it isn't Java either ._.

hey I made a function :DDDD

Mr. Xcoder

Anyone give me a super mega easy challenge for Jelly practice?

totallyhuman

github.com/tonsky/FiraCode

euuuugh

monospaced font with ligatures

HyperNeutrino

@Mr.Xcoder 5 -> [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1]

BlackCap

@totallyhuman I'm using FiraCode

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino Thanks ≤_≥

HyperNeutrino

15:44

np

Phoenix

@totallyhuman Monospace ligatures are great.

HyperNeutrino

hey Fira looks nice

totallyhuman

and plus it looks like mono font with serifs

bleh

HyperNeutrino

except it has no serifs 11

how does one do a for loop in ceylon dammit ._.

why do languages never make it obvious where their syntax documentation is

Jan Dvorak

Other than Haskell or J, you mean?

HyperNeutrino

15:46

sure

never used those

but oh I finally found it

and it's python-like for loops without the nice for(start; condition; end) thing ._.

Phoenix

@HyperNeutrino for (i in foo) {

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino How do you add ranges in Jelly?

HyperNeutrino

and WHAT i need to SPECIFY THAT A VARIABLE IS A variable Integer whatever

@Mr.Xcoder add?

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino Like R+R

HyperNeutrino

concatenation, not addition.

Besides, you don't need to do that either :)

so like R;R I think...

yeah R;R gives [1..n,1..n]

totallyhuman

15:48

look at that r and tell me it has no serif

HyperNeutrino

@totallyhuman it has no serif /s

where's the documentation for operators in Ceylon

totallyhuman

o0

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino (lowest) Byte count?

HyperNeutrino

2

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino Ouch

HyperNeutrino

15:52

dem builtins :D

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino Hooray, 2 bytes: ŒḄ

HyperNeutrino

yay +1

Mr. Xcoder

'nother one

HyperNeutrino

can someone figure out why this breaks

@Mr.Xcoder 5 -> [5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Mr. Xcoder

:38945054 code.ceylon:8: error: right operand must be of scalable type: 'Integer' is not a subtype of 'Scalable'
			if (r < (2 ** i) && r % 2 == 1) {
			         ^
code.ceylon:6: error: right operand must be of scalable type: 'Integer' is not a subtype of 'Scalable'
		while (y < (2 ** i) ** 0.5) {
		            ^
code.ceylon:5: error: right operand must be of scalable type: 'Integer' is not a subtype of 'Scalable'
	while (x <= (2 ** i) ** 0.5) {
	             ^
3 errors
Note: Created module default

HyperNeutrino

15:55

yeah but what does that mean

Mr. Xcoder

Who knows Ceylon?!

HyperNeutrino

min byte count 4 (I think)

Leaky Nun

@HyperNeutrino python 1 has no sets ;_;

HyperNeutrino

waht ;_;

Leaky Nun

@Mr.Xcoder I tried to learn it but nope

Cows quack

15:57

gg that answer

HyperNeutrino

apparently there's an exponentiation operator but 2 ** 3 doesn't work

apparently 2 isn't a Scalable, whatever that is!

aaaaand too late now

because ceylon is being dumb ;_;

uhm maybe I'll switch back to Java 2 ;_;

totallyhuman

r1;R?

Mr. Xcoder

@HyperNeutrino I accidentally got this: [5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

HyperNeutrino

lol makes sense

@totallyhuman wrong

totallyhuman

@Mr.Xcoder was yours r1;R?

Mr. Xcoder

15:59

@totallyhuman No

totallyhuman

wat

Mr. Xcoder

@totallyhuman No

HyperNeutrino

It could've been RU;R

[5,4,3,2,1,2,3,4,5], not [5,4,3,2,1,1,2,3,4,5]

totallyhuman

[5, [4, 5], [3, 4, 5], [2, 3, 4, 5], [1, 2, 3, 4, 5], [2, 3, 4, 5]] wat

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