The Nineteenth Byte

KuanHulio

12:00 AM

thats why you invest in ;#+

Phoenix

@Cyoce That s not a correct statement.

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Battle of the letters code-golf Your task is simple: tell me who wins the battle of the letters. The troops There are four different "troops" in this battle, summarized by this table. name | health | damage A 25 25 B 100 5 C 10 50 The battle Sup...

MD XF

@Phoenix This is the well-known quine I based mine off of. It was in The Jargon File: main(){char *c="main(){char *c=%c%s%c;printf(c,34,c,34);}";printf(c,34,c,34);}

PhiNotPi

While it's true that ;#+ will have a much more stable long-term value (as ;# is already crashing), I don't really foresee anything other than a slow and gradual decline in value.

Phoenix

/r/memeeconomy

Destructible Lemon

12:04 AM

I tuned up | b l o d s o c e r |

PhiNotPi

@DestructibleLemon your KOTH bot?

Speaking of KOTH bots, I'm kinda disappointed at Yggdrasil's performance (both Yggdrasils, I've submitted 90% the same bot to 2 different KOTHs)

Phoenix

Maybe that's a hint that your bot it bad.

PhiNotPi

@Phoenix I did fix one bug that should improve performance

but most of the defeats come from "granularity" errors and the fact that I have to turn it down to bare minimum performance settings to run the same speed as the simple bots.

user165474

If I volutarily ask a mod to lock my account for a specified period of time, could and would they do it?

Jan Dvorak

yes

user165474

12:17 AM

Ok interesting

PhiNotPi

I actually feel like they probably wouldn't

Anonymous

It's been done before

Anonymous

@VoteToClose asked for a 1-week suspension so he could focus on schoolwork

user165474

That's what I had in mind :P

user165474

But nah I think if I try hard enough I might be able to keep myself off PPCG for some time.

Jan Dvorak

12:18 AM

It is often accompanied with orly yarly wtf we

user165474

?

Anonymous

Also if you include the words "for science" in your request, the mods are incapable of saying no :P

user165474

Ah. :P

Jan Dvorak

oh, really? - Yeah, really. - But why? Never mind, I'll just do it.

user165474

Or "for math" because Dennis is a mathematician. But "for science" is better still :P

user165474

12:19 AM

@JanDvorak when you golf your messages/programs so much that they cannot be understood (cough Jelly)

Destructible Lemon

I'm semi disappointed that the messenger isn't as good any more

Anonymous

Math is distilled science

totallyhuman

can i get free upvotes on all my answers from the mods

...for science ofc

Jan Dvorak

I'm convinced this was pretty readable :-D

Destructible Lemon

also I feel kind of ashamed about making three bots that kinda unbalanced play

but it should be fine now

user165474

12:20 AM

Can I give totallyhuman free downvotes without losing rep myself for science

ais523

which koth is this?

Destructible Lemon

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Q: KOTH - Loaded RPS

Results May 25th 2017 at 14:00 CET (winner declared on July 5th) Fitter won 95% of the matches and tied 0% Statistician won 89% of the matches and tied 0% Weigher won 84% of the matches and tied 2% AntiRepeater won 72% of the matches and tied 0% NotHungry won 68% of the matches and tied 0% AntiG...

user165474

Math > Physics > Chemistry > Biology > Sociology > Philosophy

Dennis

@xnor By negating nothing but pairs at prime indices in the second half, I've found 17 alternate sequences. There are 85 indices to choose from, so I suppose there are a lot of them.

Destructible Lemon

I made | b l o d s o r c e r |

ais523

12:20 AM

@HyperNeutrino sure, if you downvote all his answers, it'll be flagged up as a pattern of voting abuse and all the votes and rep changes will be reversed; I wouldn't recommend doing this, though

user165474

lol

Jan Dvorak

On the other hand, physicists like to say physics is to math as sex is to masturbation.

Destructible Lemon

but then it was buggy and it error'd so I had to fix it

user165474

@JanDvorak that was the reference

user165474

oh I got psych and socio backwards :I

Jan Dvorak

12:21 AM

close enough

totallyhuman

@HyperNeutrino hey! :P

ais523

how do you compare CS to maths? sometimes I feel like CS is more pure, because often you have to define numbers from scratch

PhiNotPi

I made Yggdrasil, a bot that looks at the game tree and attempts to find optimal mixed strategies.

Destructible Lemon

nope, you forgot psych and did philosophy

user165474

@ais523 -1 using scratch

user165474

12:22 AM

oh right close enough

Destructible Lemon

@PhiNotPi yeah to be truthful, you kind of deserve the problems your bot has if it takes too long

ais523

I don't understand

Destructible Lemon

:P

PhiNotPi

@DestructibleLemon It looks one move ahead, like one move.

Destructible Lemon

really?

totallyhuman

12:23 AM

Destructible Lemon

maybe you just programmed it badly

:P

user165474

Puzzled Golfers and Programming Coders

user165474

idk I was trying to make something interesting by messing with the words

PhiNotPi

@DestructibleLemon TBH I just timed it at 15 seconds for 200 games of 100 rounds each

user165474

lol "takes too long" that's pretty darn fast I'd say

PhiNotPi

12:25 AM

That's 1 ms per turn

user165474

I had problems with the racket bot taking a while on SnowballKOTH but that wasn't too bad, only about 500ms/turn

user165474

idea: make starbait, then wait for stars, then edit it to something completely boring and watch it stay on the starboard and then have ROs/mods be like "wtf"

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Mistah Figgins

@totallyhuman havent seen the addition of logicians before

PhiNotPi

The challenge author complains that it takes 1 minute per opponent, but that's because the controller does 1000 games of 100 turns between each pair.

MD XF

tfw you're 3rd in a rep league after being on a site for 2 weeks

user165474

12:27 AM

lol

user165474

well you posted this crazy vote-bait answer lol

MD XF

Yeah

Phoenix

Also, took a bunch of content from Rosettacode.

Destructible Lemon

^

MD XF

@Phoenix 1) attributed it to them 2) offered to make it community wiki 3) got 0 votes on them anyway

Destructible Lemon

12:28 AM

@PhiNotPi yeah ok good point

user165474

also why am i #30 on the week rank

MD XF

Feel free to stop getting on my case for that

user165474

i didn't even try this week

Phoenix

@MDXF I'm not getting on your case you brought up your rep and I tried to add to the conversation.

MD XF

@Phoenix Also, took a bunch of content from Rosettacode Sorry, just seemed like a bit of an accusation

user165474

12:29 AM

but you accidentally took the reciprocal of the conversation

user165474

oh shoot that message got starred now everyone will blame weird starred things on me D:

Destructible Lemon

I hope my blodsocer does well

totallyhuman

@DestructibleLemon What

Destructible Lemon

my koth bot

it is s o c e r y

totallyhuman

What

Destructible Lemon

12:35 AM

0

A: KOTH - Loaded RPS

b l o d s o c e r s o c e r y I gave it a fix, so it should probably work now I hope def blodsocerfunc(my_points, opp_points, my_loaded, opp_loaded, my_history, opp_history): import random # tuned up an ready to go hopeful # s o c e r y if len(my_history) > 40 and len(set(opp_...

totallyhuman

Man I should really understand what KOTH is

user165474

is it bad practice to answer a question and then close it

totallyhuman

Lol

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino In every way, shape, and form

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino the calm before the storm

user165474

12:39 AM

because it's literally 3 button clicks away from ~~death~~ being closed

user165474

oh ok

user165474

then i'll delete my answer because i feel like the challenge is kinda underspecified

user165474

and the way it is, i might lose rep because my answer might be invalid

Destructible Lemon

you know you have more experience on this site than md xf, right?

user165474

ik

user165474

12:40 AM

lol I've been around for like 44 times as long as md xf

user165474

ish

user165474

but ehh i'll keep my answer up. i can always delete it later

user165474

~~death~~ closure has been brought upon it

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino @DestructibleLemon I was half kidding and plus I've been on the StalkerExchange network for 4 years :P

user165474

"stalker"?

MD XF

12:42 AM

(Stalking StackExchange. Not stalking people. That sounded bad)

totallyhuman

Hahahaha

Destructible Lemon

I think you mean lurkerexchange

user165474

@MDXF sureee you weren't stalking people.......

user165474

says the person who was looking around my profile earlier

MD XF

Feel free to keep your answer up. Doesn't affect me in the slightest :)

user165474

12:43 AM

xd

MD XF

Besides, I'm busy adding every known C quine to my new repo

Unsurprisingly

totallyhuman

s/xd/XD/

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino fm

user165474

''.join('MD XF'.split())[2:0:-1] -> XD

totallyhuman

Cause otherwise you're dead

user165474

12:44 AM

i am though

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino I couldn't think of a name for my StackOverflow profile so I dropped my hands on the keyboard and MD XF was what came out :shrug:

user165474

eh wat

totallyhuman

Shh we don't count inner death

user165474

oh

user165474

but i'm a bot

user165474

12:45 AM

that's made to program

user165474

and write starbait---i mean, write quality messages in TNB

user165474

well actually i'm probably not a bot because my grammar is inconsistent, but yeknow, that is possible.

user165474

though there's also NeutrinoBot so rip

MD XF

:P My account was run by a bot in the beginning, actually

ASCII-only

can anyone find good unicode chars for get and execute

MD XF

12:46 AM

Gained 200 rep on SO

user165474

WAT

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino You're a neural network

MD XF

It's not that uncommon lol

There are like eight other bots on SO that gain rep

user165474

wait wut

user165474

how

ASCII-only

12:47 AM

> not uncommon

totallyhuman

@HyperNeutrino W A T

ASCII-only

> eight

user165474

@ASCII-only an artificial one to be precise

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino >_> I thought they were all artificial

user165474

oh

ASCII-only

12:47 AM

@MDXF One if them is Jon Skeet's right?

user165474

well i mean normal humans have neurons

MD XF

@ASCII-only No, Jon Skeet has a sockpuppet for posting questions

totallyhuman

> normal humans

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino what kind of freak are you, with your neurons!?

MD XF

All the top users on SO don't have really any questions, but they've got socks to post them

user165474

12:48 AM

whyyy

user165474

There are about 6.84e6 users on stack overflow

MD XF

Yeah

ASCII-only

Artificial neural network

Artificial neural networks (ANNs) or connectionist systems are a computational model used in machine learning, computer science and other research disciplines, which is based on a large collection of connected simple units called artificial neurons, loosely analogous to axons in a biological brain. Connections between neurons carry an activation signal of varying strength. If the combined incoming signals are strong enough, the neuron becomes activated and the signal travels to other neurons connected to it. Such systems can be trained from examples, rather than explicitly programmed, and excel...

Note the URL

totallyhuman

Lol

PhiNotPi

I'm gonna be programming a neural network this summer.

MD XF

12:49 AM

Have fun with that

user165474

well biological neural network is also a neural network

MD XF

Holy crap there are a lot of C quines

user165474

that means that 1.16e-4% of the users on SO are bots according to you

PhiNotPi

If my reaction time and typing speed increase dramatically you'll know why

user165474

> not uncommon

MD XF

12:50 AM

And I thought they were all based off the 113-byte one from The Jargon File

Destructible Lemon

they're are infinite

user165474

@PhiNotPi will you be replacing your brain with your ANN?

user165474

a lot of users on SO have a weekly rep change of like -400 something

totallyhuman

> they're are

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino O_o what

user165474

12:51 AM

bounties

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino How do they even stay above 0 rep :P

user165474

because they had a lot of rep to begin with

user165474

stackoverflow.com/users/568289/richard?tab=topactivity

user165474

@ASCII-only you can't go below 1 for one thing :P

MD XF

Didn't it used to be possible to get sup-rep?

Destructible Lemon

12:52 AM

idea: boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/150312/welcome-dungeon as a koth

user165474

s/used/use

user165474

is there a chess koth? if not i claim it

Destructible Lemon

i think so

user165474

dammit it does

user165474

but wait

user165474

12:53 AM

it's simplified chess

user165474

and only allows java

user165474

could i make a new one...??

totallyhuman

Is there a checkers KOTH

user165474

I don't think so.

Destructible Lemon

chess is too complex and also perfect information

user165474

12:54 AM

Go koth?

PhiNotPi

@HyperNeutrino I personally want a real chess KOTH

totallyhuman

@HyperNeutrino o0

user165474

@PhiNotPi I'm considering making one

user165474

dammit

PhiNotPi

Will probably not attract many entries, but for sake of completion please use the full rules

totallyhuman

12:55 AM

Checkers is nice and easy compared to chess ^^

user165474

@PhiNotPi please define all of the rules fully. en passant is kinda controversial

Mistah Figgins

pawn's game is fun too

user165474

@totallyhuman are you going to make a checkers koth?

PhiNotPi

@HyperNeutrino en passant is pretty solidified mainstream rule

totallyhuman

I could try but I'd need to look the rules up

Destructible Lemon

12:56 AM

@PhiNotPi this is very true

user165474

@PhiNotPi well my brother claims there's a rule that allows two mutually blocking pawns to make a side capture if it cannot make a normal capture

user165474

like so:

user165474

.p.
.P.

.xP
...

user165474

where p is pawn A, P is pawn B, x is the captured p.

user165474

B moves

Destructible Lemon

12:57 AM

yeah your brother doesn't know what he is talking about

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PhiNotPi

That's pretty solidified not mainstream rule

user165474

yay i have people who agree with me on that

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino also the FIDE

user165474

hm?

Destructible Lemon

for what that's worth

@HyperNeutrino the chess organisation

user165474

12:58 AM

this?

user165474

ah ok i think yes then

Destructible Lemon

(it is funny/sad when you get into an argument, cite FIDE, and then the other person says they don't count because its french or something)

user165474

lol

user165474

World Chess Foundation

user165474

lol

totallyhuman

12:59 AM

The cor wooe a hor a hor on my datrmor so I gave it a por

Destructible Lemon

or they say they don't like house rules, but stalemate counts as a win to the person with more points according to them

user165474

still counts

user165474

ah. that's weird

user165474

I might do that for the koth

user165474

Why am I being ratelimited so hard ;_;

Destructible Lemon

1:00 AM

yeah that guy said he played in money comps but still doesn't know how chess works

user165474

when you trigger Conor

Mistah Figgins

@DestructibleLemon I don;t like that

Destructible Lemon

I know

thoughts on welcome to the dungeon koth?

I think everyone glossed over that to chess immediately

user165474

sorry i may have taken this off the original topic

Destructible Lemon

but it is actually a really nice game

user165474

1:01 AM

re-link for those who missed the first link

user165474

seems interesting. i wouldn't answer it because it seems a bit complex but still nice idea

Destructible Lemon

it's kind of like inverse chicken.

in a way

rather than trying to make the other person swerve, you tend to want to make them not swerve, until its too late and you back out and they crash

user165474

ooo

Destructible Lemon

or you scare them into swerving first and you win because it isn't too late to survive

user165474

well then isn't that just chicken :I

Destructible Lemon

1:03 AM

@HyperNeutrino nope

user165474

oh ok

Destructible Lemon

because someone has to back out

user165474

also how to do exponents in chatjax

Destructible Lemon

its related to chicken anyway.

user165474

ah okay.

Destructible Lemon

1:04 AM

I think we should only have one warrior for simplicity

also my favourite tactic in that game is taking out all of the wizards health and stuff, except for omnipotence

the ol' omnipotence gambit

(context: omnipotence makes you win, if there are no duplicate monsters placed in the dungeon. this means the dungeon is safe at the start of the game when you are removing armor)

user165474

ooo interesting. sorry, i didn't read through it fully because i'm semimultitasking

user165474

s/semi/

Destructible Lemon

yup. suffice to say it is a fun game.

user165474

ah ok

user165474

well anyway i should finish that essay that's due tomorrow

user165474

1:07 AM

bc it's kinda important to raise my mark

Destructible Lemon

it's one of the games my mum can win sometimes. she seems to take that as being better than me :I

user165474

lol your mom is always better than you ultimately

user165474

:P

KuanHulio

you guys should place a bounty on this: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/122232/…

:^)

Destructible Lemon

@HyperNeutrino nope, I still crush her at other games like chess, martian chess, blockus etc.

user165474

1:08 AM

do you not have enough rep?

user165474

@DestructibleLemon ah ok. :P i meant in general but lol

KuanHulio

i do, but if i place a bounty, i go right back to 50 rep

or 70

user165474

true

user165474

i'm trying to reach 5000 rep but i keep giving bounties

user165474

yet my rep graph doesn't look like i give bounties

Destructible Lemon

1:10 AM

you don't give bounties, do you?

PhiNotPi

I never give bounties

user165474

who

user165474

me?

KuanHulio

i mean, a 50-100 rep bounty would probably draw in more people

user165474

well it's 2 days old

user165474

1:15 AM

anyway i actually need to work on the essay now

KuanHulio

nerdtests.com/images/ft/nq/3da57b0395.gif @HyperNeutrino cough cough

Cyoce

@Dennis please pull J-uby [bug fix]

Dennis

@Cyoce Done.

MD XF

Darn, shortC still isn't on TIO :(

ASCII-only

can anyone find good one-character representations for retrieve and evaluate?

New Main Posts

1:29 AM

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Q: Convert a CSS selector to HTML

A CSS selector is made up of five elements: The element type (tag name) The id of the element The classes of the element The attributes of the element Operators to chain these element selectors This challenge will only involve the first four. Input: A CSS selector, not including any operato...

code-golf

Cyoce

@ASCII-only what do you mean by retrieve?

Dennis

@Cyoce Sorry, I got distracted before. I've enabled command-line options for J-uby, so you can enter -i in the Options list now.

Cyoce

@Dennis No worries. Thanks.

ASCII-only

@Cyoce Retrieve a variable

Dennis

@Cyoce It's usually better to ask me in talk.tryitonline.net. Harder to get distracted and won't appear from the visible part of the page that fast.

Cyoce

1:31 AM

@Dennis got it.

@ASCII-only :37661538 I'm thinking a downward/left-pointing arrow, but not sure without an idea of the syntax. Side note - what language is this for?

ASCII-only

@Cyoce Charcoal

Maybe these for evaluate and execute? They need to have a non-obscure mnemonic to make it easier ▶▷

Destructible Lemon

I just realised I programmed my bot wrong

Cyoce

@ASCII-only which is which then?

ASCII-only

@Cyoce Black would be evaluate to signify holding a value

idk if that's mnemonic-y enough

Cyoce

@ASCII-only might want them pointing in different directions to signify the difference between the two

ASCII-only

1:40 AM

hmm idk i was going with the right pointing triangle because the play button is usually used for run buttons

user165474

300 words to go :I

user165474

has anyone read to kill a mockingbird

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino You writing an essay?

I have

user165474

@MDXF yes

user165474

due tomorrow lol :I

Cyoce

1:44 AM

Yes. Pretty good by school-required reading standards.

Mistah Figgins

@HyperNeutrino ha same

user165474

ok so i need to make my own (semi-) thesis on something

MD XF

It's some of the best literature I've actually wanted to read

user165474

@MistahFiggins you also have an essay due tomorrow?

Mistah Figgins

yep

user165474

1:44 AM

@MDXF i agree that for things required to be read by school it's quite good

Mistah Figgins

well, sort of a first draft

user165474

@MistahFiggins how much have you done

user165474

@MistahFiggins :I my entire thing is due tomorrow

Mistah Figgins

maybe a third

user165474

lol

user165474

1:45 AM

maybe as in not even?

Mistah Figgins

....

user165474

lol

user165474

I have 70% done

user165474

by wordcount

Mistah Figgins

nice

Cyoce

1:46 AM

Wait what was I thinking when I used P, Q, and R instead of F, G, H for function names in my examples?

user165474

@Cyoce Were you?

user165474

(were you thinking) ^

Helka Homba

@HyperNeutrino Can't be too hard. You've probably written that many words in chat in the last hour.

user165474

lol true

Cyoce

@HyperNeutrino good question. It was a few months ago so I'm not sure.

user165474

1:46 AM

Ah okay. Sometimes I look at my code and think "what was I thinking? Right, I wasn't" lol

Mistah Figgins

I can't even look back at my actual code (not for golfing) from a year ago, it's so bad

user165474

k so i has question. i'm trying to write an essay on how the ewells were important to the plot development blah blah and so i have two point on how they helped make it possible to develop atticus' personality as a just/fair person and how people back then were racist and i need a third point but my idea is bad :I

Cyoce

@MistahFiggins most of mine doesn't even work because it was all JavaScript code that I didn't test on any other computers lol

Helka Homba

@HyperNeutrino Compare it to go set a watchman for a more unique approach. (Just read that book too first)

user165474

lol i have no time to read another book

user165474

1:48 AM

it's due in about 12 hours

Helka Homba

:P

user165474

and -6 or so because i need to sleep

Cyoce

@HyperNeutrino What grade are you in?

user165474

-2 for time wasted trying to get up from ~~golfing until too late in the night~~ being tired, and getting ready for school, and taking the school bus there

user165474

@Cyoce 9

Cyoce

1:49 AM

@HyperNeutrino then why are you still used to sleeping?

user165474

@Cyoce I'm not

user165474

but I plan on getting sleep tonight so maybe I'm not dead for one day in my life

user165474

@MistahFiggins most of my code is random java stuff and i've learned a lot about good code design between last year and now so i look back and i'm like "did i write this? wow i was an idiot"

Cyoce

@HyperNeutrino I'm in 10th and this is finals week so I haven't slept more than 2 hours per night

user165474

rip

Mistah Figgins

1:50 AM

@HyperNeutrino me too

user165474

and then there's the other flight commander who's also in my tech class and she's gone like 48h without much sleep (as in practically or literally none)

MD XF

Anyone know how to redirect the output of multiple bash commands (on a single line) to a file?

user165474

command > filename

Cyoce

Why isn't Git pushing when TNB works?

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino e.g. echo something && echo something && echo something

then redirect all that to one file

user165474

1:53 AM

oh

user165474

nvm then

MD XF

and to SO I go

user165474

:P

Cyoce

@MDXF Wait

user165474

also I just tried using [text](link) in google hangouts

MD XF

1:54 AM

HAHA

I do that all the time

Cyoce

(command1; command2; command3) > filename.thing

Destructible Lemon

can't you use cat?

MD XF

@DestructibleLemon Note the e.g. before the command

@Cyoce Thanks, that worked!

Destructible Lemon

hmm, looks like parens are what you need anyway

ASCII-only

@DestructibleLemon Wait yeah that's one command, it echoes a file

Cyoce

1:55 AM

@MDXF np

user165474

and... I just typed s/delet/delete into hangouts

user165474

and this is a non-programmer

user165474

so she probably thinks i've gone insane

user165474

actually everyone knows that already

Mistah Figgins

some people don't start off sane

Cyoce

1:55 AM

Discord now supports the s/pattern/replacement/ syntax for editing messages for some reason.

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino This is why you use Skype/Discord

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino Using Vim commands over text gets all the ladies

user165474

@MDXF ... 1. did you just assume my gender 2. whyyy

user165474

@MistahFiggins oh trust me i was kind of sane when i was about 2 years old

Mistah Figgins

yeah

MD XF

1:57 AM

Just joking around :P

user165474

lol

ATaco

s:pattern:replacement:

user165474

@ASCII-only well she's also a non-gamer and so she's like "nope not worth it" and i'm like "aww it's good for everyone to use"

user165474

@ATaco is that vim

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino Skype isn't for gamers

ATaco

1:57 AM

In vim, any character can be used instead of /, tmk.

user165474

@ASCII-only I was talking mostly about Discord because I don't have Skype.

ASCII-only

@HyperNeutrino web.skype.com

Cyoce

@ATaco Really any character or just punctuation?

user165474

I said it was mostly used by gamers and she was like "nope" and I was like "aww i shouldn't have said that"

ASCII-only

It's literally the MS equivalent of hangouts, just register a hotmail

user165474

1:59 AM

@ASCII-only ...oh me=dumb

MD XF

@ATaco You can't be serious.

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