The Nineteenth Byte

@programmer5000 For a community of people who spend hours writing the shortest, most unreadable code to perform pointless tasks, I think our voting habits should be the least of our worries

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user165474

Hm that delete vote is strange. (Sorry for the temporary downvote; I downvoted it to see the delete button and then upvoted)

MD XF

No problem

Erik the Outgolfer

@HyperNeutrino you don't undo a downvote by upvoting but by undownvoting

unless you liked the answer and upvoted

user165474

6:17 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer I know that. I did intentionally upvote it.

user165474

I've been around SE for what, 2 years? ffs

user165474

:P

MD XF

@HyperNeutrino And you're only nerdier than 83% of all people? Pitiful :P I got 99%

user165474

lol

user165474

why u stalk me ;_;

Erik the Outgolfer

6:19 PM

@MDXF can you prove?

MD XF

Just to see how long you've actually been here :P

@EriktheOutgolfer Sure, it used to be in my bio, I'll pull up my backup...

Erik the Outgolfer

@MDXF chat.stackexchange.com/users/165474/hyper-neutrino

> 2015-09-12

MD XF

@EriktheOutgolfer but on CodeGolf...

"Member for 1 year, 10 months"

user165474

2 years, 7 months

MD XF

@EriktheOutgolfer Damn, I'm gonna have to take the test again

@HyperNeutrino Ha I'm beating you on SO :P

user165474

6:21 PM

:(

MD XF

Though I like the PPCG community 5000000x more than the SO one

Erik the Outgolfer

@HyperNeutrino it's just 8 months for him

user165474

Well your parent user is SO, mine is PPCG

MD XF

@EriktheOutgolfer Me?

user165474

well I'm a lot less active in terms of posting

MD XF

6:22 PM

Wow I thought I'd been on SO forever

Erik the Outgolfer

MD XF, Cornelius, OR, United States

2.3k 3 16 44

c arrays string windows c++ git github

> 2016-09-19 21:47:30Z

MD XF

c++?!?!?

I've never used C++

user165474

lol

user165474

the question must've been tagged c++

MD XF

Oh yeah

My top question involved c++

programmer5000

6:23 PM

@MDXF Mine:

MD XF

I'm about to retake it

user165474

:o

Erik the Outgolfer

@programmer5000 how do I know you didn't copy the picture?

MD XF

tfw you get active on PPCG for 2 weeks and get half of your SO rep from 8 months

user165474

well that +130 answer...

MD XF

6:25 PM

Yeah

programmer5000

@EriktheOutgolfer Copy from what?

user165474

anyway got to go now. bye! o/

MD XF

Third this week mainly because of that :D

programmer5000

I just noticed the profile colors of everyone chatting are black, green, and blue

Erik the Outgolfer

@programmer5000 right from where you uploaded it

@programmer5000 so?

MD XF

6:27 PM

Ha I got 100 too

:P

Okx

But have you solved Maybe?

MD XF

Maybe...

Erik the Outgolfer

rubious acrolith

2.8k 1 10 38

code-golf kolmogorov-complexity string ascii-art code-challenge restricted-source polyglot

I know where you found it

MD XF

?

Beta Decay

@programmer5000 Not anymore ;)

Erik the Outgolfer

6:31 PM

@MDXF ooh the link got changed?

it used to link to Maybe

MD XF

tfw you got 90 rep from telling a noob how to printf

Someone link an obscure language for me to try to write a quine in

KuanHulio

brainfuck

Erik the Outgolfer

@MDXF brainfuck?

nah that's really hard

KuanHulio

ninja'd

how about applescript

@MDXF

Erik the Outgolfer

how about unary

KuanHulio

6:40 PM

or, dare i say, ;#+

MD XF

@KuanHulio @EriktheOutgolfer brainfuck

Erik the Outgolfer

@MDXF o_O

MD XF

@KuanHulio I'll do an Applescript one when I finish working on the ;#+ one :P

Erik the Outgolfer

(you plagiarized the post btw)

MD XF

@EriktheOutgolfer Didn't plagiarize

There's a link

Okay there's not a link. I just edited it out. Wrong answer

It's back in, my bad

KuanHulio

6:44 PM

conway's game of life

MD XF

@KuanHulio That's pretty damn easy... a 2x2 square stays still and AFAIK is as close to a quine as GoL can get

Business Cat

I don't think you can really make a quine in GoL until you define what "output" is in GoL

MD XF

Isn't "output" just the cells on the screen?

If so, then a 2x2 qualifies as a quine

Business Cat

But at what point does it count as output and not a step of execution?

Erik the Outgolfer

I think an 6x6 like this would be the actual quine btw:

Business Cat

6:48 PM

Because some run infinitely

Erik the Outgolfer

......
......
..##..
..##..
......
......

MD XF

@BusinessCat Then a 2x2 would probably count 'cause it stops

Erik the Outgolfer

oldest dirty comment I've ever seen on PPCG

MD XF

I'm surprised that's not deleted

Business Cat

I guess each generation is considered an output

Erik the Outgolfer

6:51 PM

click at your own risk

MD XF

@BusinessCat Then a 2x2 works. I think I'll post that

Business Cat

This is probably something to take to meta, tbh

DJMcMayhem

The comment? Nah, just flag it

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem a reason I didn't onebox

MD XF

Posted as Community Wiki codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/122810/61563

With a link to Erik's suggestion. Thanks

DJMcMayhem

6:54 PM

Huh. Just lost 70 rep from a user deletion

MD XF

@DJMcMayhem Serial voting?

Erik the Outgolfer

I dunno if it counts as "rude or offensive"...but definitely violates "be nice" 'cause sexual subliminal

Tom

lost like 70 rep as well and dropped below 2000 :'(

Erik the Outgolfer

I actually lost 110 today

MD XF

@ConorO'Brien How do I use your ;#+ interpreter? I might have written a quine but I can't figure out how to test it

Conor O'Brien

7:02 PM

@MDXF Try it online!

DJMcMayhem

I wonder if user deletion factors into the rep cap

MD XF

@ConorO'Brien Thanks. And how does one get their language on TIO?

Erik the Outgolfer

I guess it does

DJMcMayhem

If the upvotes were from a different day, it shouldn't

Conor O'Brien

@MDXF ask dennis

MD XF

7:03 PM

@ConorO'Brien Dennis runs TIO???

Conor O'Brien

yes

MD XF

Wow

Erik the Outgolfer

although preferably do it here

MD XF

It didn't work :( it exceeded the time limit

Conor O'Brien

then download it from github?

MD XF

7:05 PM

Yeah, I did, I'll just let it run in the background

Erik the Outgolfer

yay offending comment deleted

how long is it? o_o

Only 877 bytes

its like

well, that's about 20x shorter than my proof-of-concept

MD XF

7:06 PM

Exactly...

KuanHulio

nobody reads the whole challenge

MD XF

No idea why it's taking forever

Conor O'Brien

It shouldn't. you probably made a mistake

MD XF

Guess so

Luis Mendo

A user was removed (I lost 125 rep). Any idea who it might be?

Riker

7:08 PM

hm

I just got 30 rep lost from that

MD XF

@LuisMendo A serial voter, a lot of people have been mentioning that

Anonymous

@LuisMendo Best not to speculate

Erik the Outgolfer

we've recently had a case of voting abuse

Riker

@MDXF no, this was old

I haven't gained much rep recently

MD XF

@Riker Ah

Erik the Outgolfer

7:08 PM

it might be another sock of it

Business Cat

Oh my. I lost 100 rep. Welp

Erik the Outgolfer

guess nobody noticed the...loss at first

MD XF

I still haven't lost any

I may gain some, I was serial-downvoted

Dennis

@MDXF Tbh, I'm not sure you were targeted in this case. You got a all your downvotes on answers you took from Rosetta, yes? So someone actually had an issue with the posts, not with you. (That said, the system would still reverse the votes.)

Conor O'Brien

-60 here

Erik the Outgolfer

7:10 PM

@Dennis is that vacuous honesty or something?

Luis Mendo

@Mego It may be related to this

Erik the Outgolfer

like (honesty) ~= (truth) so (vacuous) * (truth) ~= (vacuous) * (honesty)

Dennis

@EriktheOutgolfer Typing is hard.

Luis Mendo

On mobile?

MD XF

@Dennis I figured someone had a problem with the posts. Big deal, I can understand that. I just wish they'd left a comment so I can explain...

Erik the Outgolfer

7:13 PM

@Dennis he also had 3 downvotes on his own posts...maybe some unlikely coincidence or mindless serial voting or something which is more likely

Dennis

7:25 PM

@LuisMendo No. Qutie frankly, I'm not sure how I managed to hit Enter.

Anonymous

> Qutie

MD XF

s/ti/it

Dennis

sgihs

8

MD XF

s/sacrasm/sarcasm

totallyhuman

sighs in gibberish

Dennis

7:35 PM

@MDXF Unfortunately, some people do not react well to criticism, so I understand why downvoters might opt to stay anonymous.

totallyhuman

IDK why I find programmers making typos funny

Dennis

A way to anonymously provide feedback attached to a downvote would be nice.

MD XF

@Dennis Guess so. But if you're gonna downvote 10 answers in 30 seconds, it'd be nice to provide a reason.

Conor O'Brien

maybe one should be forced to leave an anonymous comment when downvoting

MD XF

@Dennis Upside of being a mod: you don't have to wait for the other person to finish deleting the comment conversation :D

Dennis

7:39 PM

@ConorO'Brien I have a feeling that would result in more nonconstructive than constructive criticism. Also, on occasions everything that needs to be said has already been said, so there's no need to add yet another comment.

Conor O'Brien

in those former cases, it would give rational to perhaps reverse the downvote. in the second case, maybe add a system to upvote downvote comments?

Dennis

I don't think votes should be reversed automatically unless there's tangible evidence of abuse.

Conor O'Brien

I don't believe I said anything about votes being automatically reversed

Dennis

How then? Way too much downvotes for human intervention.

And we certainly don't need additional barriers for downvoting. The way I see it, most users don't downvote enough.

Conor O'Brien

that's true

MD XF

7:43 PM

So true. There's an amazing meta post about that

But I'm pretty sure it's meta SO

Conor O'Brien

it'd really be nice to get more feedback when downvoted... I hate when I'm downvoted because I'm left with no idea of what's wrong with my post or how to improve.

MD XF

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A: When is it justifiable to downvote a question?

Please stop being a care bear, and proceed to be harsher at once. Poorly written question? Downvote and move on. Feel like puking in the face of the OP's wall of hideous spaghetti code? Downvote and move on. Did the OP obviously forego googling? Downvote and move on. Did the OP obviously forego...

With a few edits that could apply to submissions, too

a question ban will only kick in if an OP's questions are sufficiently downvoted. So downvote away, wide and large, as viciously as you can, without fear or mercy.

+1000

Conor O'Brien

I really think that answer is quite unempathetic. I agree more with the commenters than the poster...

MD XF

Well, it's pretty damn accurate for SO.

And some parts certainly relate to PPCG

@ConorO'Brien (in ;#+) How do I save multiple accumulators into memory at the same time?

@tuskiomi What are the exact error messages?

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Odd with Odds, Even with Evens Given an input integer n, express it as a sum of numbers with the following properties: If n is even, the numbers used to sum should be even. If n is odd, the integers used to sum should be odd. Any integer used (x) should be 0 < x <= ceiling(n/2). All numbers u...

Conor O'Brien

7:59 PM

I think it's further from the truth for PPCG. PPCG is not learning how to code (a more objective process), but rather, learning how to golf. There is no amount of research or googling that can make you an excellent code golfer. There are few situations in which these guidelines would accurately identify an answer as being downvote-worthy, nor does it explain the downvotes on seemingly-good answers. So says the OP, "Why should I be bothered to waste even a moment explaining a down vote if OP cannot be bothered to do his homework and research before asking?" You should spend the time to make …

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Yes, wall of text, but I feel strongly about this (3k chars) TL;DR don't be a jerk. Be someone who makes an impact on new people's lives

MD XF

And on some answers, certainly, it's obvious they don't care about their content. Feel free to downvote. This is the kind of content I was talking about, not new users' first posts.

Conor O'Brien

I understand that. But it's part of a larger problem that I see too often. I don't often see that case (perhaps because its nuked before I can get to it), so I somewhat assumed you had to refer to the site at large

MD XF

And I wasn't trying to encourage downvoting apathetically; I came from SO and I'm still a bit wary for utter trash, like we see all the time there.

Conor O'Brien

Please, don't take this personally, I didn't mean it as such

MD XF

I'm not; you certainly have a point

Anonymous

8:03 PM

Holy wall of text, Batman

MD XF

Like I said when I first got here, this community is much better than SO's. It's 'cause of people like you defending the innocent :P

Out of curiosity how did you write all that without a single typo??

Business Cat

Proofreading

Kritixi Lithos

the textarea in Google Chrome underlines typos with red

MD XF

True

Conor O'Brien

@MDXF no spellcheck, it was basically guessing and praying

I read a lot, I suppose

totallyhuman

8:11 PM

@ConorO'Brien golfed your speech

Conor O'Brien

at the expense of grammar and capitalization >_>

MD XF

My gosh

totallyhuman

@ConorO'Brien we golf code at the expense of readability and maintenance so why not :P

3

but really i think that code golf helps with code readability. because we know how much badly formatted code hurts

Conor O'Brien

but it also means you have a higher tendency to golf production code :P

MD XF

@ConorO'Brien your speech in ;#

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8:21 PM

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Q: Rock, Paper, Scissors Checker

Recently, I was playing Rock, Paper, Scissors with one of my friends. After a few rounds, we decided that it was too much work to check for ourselves who had won a match, and that it would be ideal to have a computer program to solve this issue. As our hard drive space is at a premium, we want su...

code-golf

Conor O'Brien

I almost don't want to click on that >_>

MD XF

Took 45 seconds to load :P

Only 289464 bytes, think it can be golfed?

Conor O'Brien

in ;#? no lol

MD XF

s/?/? (I'm kidding)

totallyhuman

@MDXF it's beautiful like the night sky

MD XF

8:23 PM

It's beautiful like the speech itself xD

Here's a great challenge: "Print Conor O'Brien's speech in the least number of bytes"

Conor O'Brien

>.> idk why you're calling it a speech

Business Cat

(Dupe of Rick Roll)

MD XF

Might have something to do with being 3k chars

@BusinessCat Darn :(

totallyhuman

there's no repetition though

MD XF

Then we make it the most bytes and code-bowling

but I'd win

Conor O'Brien

8:28 PM

add 127 ;s before each # >_>

MD XF

Oh God, double-;#

That took six seconds just to copy to my clipboard

Kritixi Lithos

but in code-bowling, your code should work even when bits of your code is removed

MD XF

Really? The tag wiki excerpt only says Code-bowling is a competition to solve a particular (usually simple) problem in the most bytes or complexity.

user165474

@NewMainPosts I vote to close as duplicte because it adds nothing to the target challenge, except makes it impossible for a bunch of languages.

MD XF

@ConorO'Brien your not-speech in double-;#

totallyhuman

8:33 PM

...dear lord...

MD XF

17292792 bytes

totallyhuman

21 secs ago, by totallyhuman

...dear lord...

Conor O'Brien

warning, takes 10+ seconds to load >_>

MD XF

Really? Still hasn't loaded on mine xD

totallyhuman

hmm

why don't you get rep for comments?

MD XF

8:35 PM

Because this isn't Reddit

totallyhuman

:P

DJMcMayhem

CMC: what is your highest voted comment across the SE network?

Conor O'Brien

isn't there a SEDE for that?

DJMcMayhem

Idk

user165474

Your speech in ;$

user165474

8:36 PM

About 70% the length of the ;# code.

Kritixi Lithos

I'm feeling -.- — Kritixi Lithos Nov 20 '15 at 6:48

@ConorO'Brien yes

user165474

how do you check

Kritixi Lithos

and I think I wrote that comment while in school

MD XF

@DJMcMayhem Mine on SO

user165474

How ironic

user165474

8:38 PM

yesterday, by Hyper Neutrino

Whoever is starring all these messages, please stop. You're going to run out soon because you only get 20 stars per room per day

MD XF

HA

user165474

anyway be right back

DJMcMayhem

This is mine:

I think we'll just have to keep [immutability] around, since we can't make any changes to the posts tagged with it. :P — DJMcMayhem Apr 12 '16 at 19:30

Close second:

My very first experience with Linux was making a Ubuntu vm so that I could "rm -rf /" it. I recommend you try this. It's pretty quick to setup, it keeps your host safe and is very entertaining to watch the different parts of the OS crumble before your eyes. Very satisfying. — DJMcMayhem Apr 2 '15 at 14:31

Adnan

@DJMcMayhem this is mine haha

First I was thinking "huh, what is a duck?". Luckily you have provided a link to the wikipedia page. — Adnan Feb 25 '16 at 22:52

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trichoplax

@HyperNeutrino Only 6 left...

DJMcMayhem

8:40 PM

Hahahaha

Conor O'Brien

highest voted comment SEDE

DJMcMayhem

That's PPCG specific though. Is a network wide possible?

@ConorO'Brien This version shows links too

MD XF

Wow, I've got one comment above 2 and it's got 42 upvotes- WHY is your command prompt font Comic Sans MS?!?!?!

Conor O'Brien

oh cool

Kritixi Lithos

I stumbled upon this comment after looking at my second most-voted comment:

@ΚριτικσιΛίθος Thanks! (Thank god for tab-completion.) — Dennis ♦ Nov 26 '15 at 19:50

MD XF

8:43 PM

No link because I want it to stay at 42 :P

totallyhuman

So your code is 103! = 9.9029007164861804075467152545817733490901658221144924830052‌80554699... × 10^163 bytes long..? :P — totallyhuman May 11 at 0:07

Conor O'Brien

Here is my solution. It is written in English (interpreter freely available wherever you are), and is Study.. Six bytes. Beat that. — Conor O'Brien Jan 20 '16 at 19:01

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DJMcMayhem

@KritixiLithos Hahaha

Phoenix

Highest voted comment on PPCG: That. Is. Evil. Absolutely evil. +1 <-- 306 votes

Luis Mendo

@DJMcMayhem Hey, much better!

Adnan

8:43 PM

@ConorO'Brien yeah I remember that one hahahaha

Conor O'Brien

yeah :D

MD XF

So is this a big self-promotion-fest? Can I post links to my zero-vote answers now? :P

Luis Mendo

@Phoenix Hm, I'm not that far :-)

Conor O'Brien

Crossed four still looks like a four. — Conor O'Brien Nov 4 '15 at 2:54

honourable mention at 42

Phoenix

Score 152: {].'.~'}.~ï¸µ

DJMcMayhem

8:45 PM

@MDXF I don't know if I'd call it a self-promotion-fest. More just sharing funny moments.

Luis Mendo

And comments can hardly be considered promotion. No rep

trichoplax

Mine has 56 votes but is not terribly interesting

Number 1 on the Hot Network Questions. Not bad for a first question... — trichoplax Dec 28 '15 at 15:15

Phoenix

> As usual with PHP, you always wonder how it can work

MD XF

@DJMcMayhem Yeah, I was joking because I was sharing posts a bit excessively my first day on TNB.

user165474

here's a close one:

Phoenix

8:46 PM

> I feel like you're trying to trick me into pasting rm - rf / into my shell...

5

user165474

Mar 30 at 19:24, by HyperNeutrino

So wait, I just wanted to clarify exactly the purposes of this chat. When there's a discussion about the site, it's important and other chitchat should be left for later. When there isn't discussions about specific questions and other chitchat is fine. But never are unintelligible, offensive, derogatory, or otherwise not understandable messages allowed. Am I right?

user165474

(I got split-ninja'd)

user165474

sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /

Phoenix

> @ Geobits - I agree: 2+2=5 you can see it in this calculator.

Anonymous

slurp.chomp.comb... Perl is weird. — Mego Aug 26 '16 at 6:31

Luis Mendo

8:47 PM

88 now :-)

Conor O'Brien

89 ;D

Phoenix

My highest is the link i.imgur.com/vI4ZIfW.jpg

user165474

wait i'm dumb

trichoplax

This process has actually been productive - my third comment is a reminder to myself to upvote that I've only now acted upon...

I'm upvoting your comment because I've run out of upvotes too. — trichoplax Aug 20 '16 at 18:13

Adnan

@Phoenix I think I know this one

user165474

8:50 PM

Mine was ">_> really...??" at +25

Phoenix

betseg

how can i list my comments

Phoenix

I'm going to assume that Dennis mystically took over my account because I have no clue what that does or what language it is.

@betseg data.stackexchange.com/codegolf/revision/675856/842748/…

user165474

s/taken/took/

trichoplax

@NoOneIsHere did you remember to upvote after the comment that triggered mine (8 up from here...)

user165474

8:51 PM

That looks like Jelly.

Phoenix

Jelly doesn't have any unprintables in it, right?

Kritixi Lithos

@betseg data.stackexchange.com/codegolf/query/226930/… shows links

user165474

I don't think so.

Uriel

@HyperNeutrino jelly doesnt have a with acute

Kritixi Lithos

it might be V

user165474

8:52 PM

Right.

betseg

Test case: 859 — betseg Oct 27 '16 at 18:24

Kritixi Lithos

or not, some characters don't seems to be valid V characters

betseg

god, i hate that one xkcd^^

Phoenix

I think that one was on my post

Yes it was

user165474

AHHHH MY EYES

betseg

8:53 PM

Ye, I spilled coke on my laptop :P — betseg Jul 24 '16 at 20:11

sad times

DJMcMayhem

@KritixiLithos They're all valid, they just don't make any sense next to each other lol

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