The Nineteenth Byte

6:00 PM

@wat This is always a complex legal matter of law and circumstances. There's no answer for any situation involving this question that could be answered in less than an A4 page analysis </lawyer answer>

Mistah Figgins

:35328631 ninja'd out of existance

Anonymous

So let's cease with the discussion of such illegal matters. Continued discussion will be met with kicks.

Riker

@DJMcMayhem it's installed on my sis's computer and she is not techy at all

and I didn't do it

wizzwizz4

→ 47 messages moved to Trashcan

muddyfish

@Mego is the italics room owner status?

Riker

6:02 PM

@mınxomaτ isn't an a4 page the size of a 8.5*11 US standard, approximately?

@muddyfish yes

wizzwizz4

@muddyfish Yes.

@Riker A4 is 297mm by 210mm.

mınxomaτ

@Riker Sorry I only know sane formats. Not familiar with US paper sizes.

Riker

> sane formats

Kritixi Lithos

@Riker I didn't have neovim installed on my Yosemite computer

Riker

... I actually can't argue with that

@KritixiLithos then htf did she get it o-O

I'll double check in a moment

ArtOfCode

6:03 PM

@KritixiLithos No, you can't have access to a private room. It's private for a reason.

wizzwizz4

A0 is 1m^2, where the side ratio is sqrt(2).

Anonymous

A4 is close to 8.5x11, but not quite the same

Riker

maybe it was just normal vim

AdmBorkBork

It's easy. You've got Letter, Legal, Journal, Envelope, Card ... y'know, you're probably right.

mınxomaτ

DIN paper sizes are objectively awesome.

wizzwizz4

6:04 PM

A1, A2, A3, A4, A5 are half of the previous, retaining the ratio.

Riker

@mınxomaτ din?

Kritixi Lithos

@ArtOfCode It was an accident

wat

@AdmBorkBork Tabloid!

wizzwizz4

I think A6+ are different, slightly.

mınxomaτ

@Riker DIN is the standard (DIN A4 etc.). DIN is Germany's ISO.

ArtOfCode

6:04 PM

and neither can you, @wat

Riker

@mınxomaτ ah, makes sense

wat

@ArtOfCode neither can I wat?

Riker

ISO I get, but it was just the german part I didn't

ArtOfCode

1 min ago, by ArtOfCode

@KritixiLithos No, you can't have access to a private room. It's private for a reason.

Anonymous

@mınxomaτ Wouldn't DIN be more comparable to ANSI than ISO?

wat

6:05 PM

@ArtOfCode Huh.

Riker

applies for access

muddyfish

I think the biggest colour printer I can easily access is A2. It's kind of annoying I can't get any larger

wat

I never asked.

ArtOfCode

@wat oh yes you did

and you just did it again, too

wizzwizz4

@muddyfish Just stick'em together.

wat

6:05 PM

???

Anonymous

Quit antagonizing mods.

ArtOfCode

@wat stop clicking the button

muddyfish

@wizzwizz4 but then I can see the join

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

could someone assist me?

Riker

with?

muddyfish

6:06 PM

@RohanJhunjhunwala depends

DJMcMayhem

@Riker that would make more sense. I had Yosemite for a little while, and I remember neovim being a pain

mınxomaτ

> Deutsches Institut für Normung e.V. (DIN; in English, the German Institute for Standardization) is the German national organization for standardization and is the German ISO member body. DIN is a German Registered Association (e.V.) headquartered in Berlin. There are currently around thirty thousand DIN Standards, covering nearly every field of technology.

Erik the Outgolfer

For God's sake, I don't recommend gaining access to that room. I don't know what experience you'll leave with.

wizzwizz4

I don't read what's in Trashcan.

There's a reason for that.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

I am trying to build (and run) a single java source file from the command line. @muddyfish @Riker (with preferrably a one liner)

Riker

6:06 PM

@muddyfish my dad has a industrial printer for work that prints up to 36*36 inches (about a meter squared)

Anonymous

@mınxomaτ So it's a member of ISO. That would be roughly equivalent to ANSI, if ANSI attempted to follow ISO standards.

Riker

@RohanJhunjhunwala solution: don't use java >_>

4

Kritixi Lithos

@wizzwizz4 So is it a mod-only chatroom?

Riker

I don't java sorry

@KritixiLithos no, just a private one

so anybody with access can view + mods + se admins

ArtOfCode

@RohanJhunjhunwala javac file.java && java File

Anonymous

6:07 PM

@RohanJhunjhunwala javac Foo.java && java Foo

Kritixi Lithos

Oh, a gallery

Riker

no, private

ArtOfCode

@KritixiLithos no, actually private.

wizzwizz4

@KritixiLithos No. One more locked down than that.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Riker unfortunately <s>Corrupt college board</s> genuinely interested teachers of education have only taught me java

DJMcMayhem

6:07 PM

Wow. The recent SMBC comic took a dark existential turn. o_O

Riker

mods can make private rooms that only other mods + users they give explicit write access

@RohanJhunjhunwala rip

Mistah Figgins

@RohanJhunjhunwala strikeout markdown in chat is ---text---

Riker

@DJMcMayhem o-O

muddyfish

@RohanJhunjhunwala github.com/muddyfish/cake-cutting-contest/blob/master/commands/…

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Mego that was the Stack overflow response I got, but javac foo.java isn't working for me. javac is not recognized as a valid command

Anonymous

6:08 PM

Gallery rooms can be viewed by anyone, but only users with access and/or diamonds can chat. Private rooms don't appear in room lists, and can't even be viewed without explicit access.

mınxomaτ

@Mego Fun fact: If something is really ordinary, we commonly say it's "08/15", which comes from a DIn standard for the MG 08 rifle. (probably, history is a bit fuzzy here)

muddyfish

That might do what you want if you can work out what the variables mean

Anonymous

@RohanJhunjhunwala Make sure you have the JDK downloaded/installed and that javac is on your path.

wat

@Mego How does one create a private room?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

I do have a jdk installed, but how do I set my path?

Anonymous

6:09 PM

@wat Only a diamond mod can create one

muddyfish

@mınxomaτ by "we" who do you mean?

ArtOfCode

@RohanJhunjhunwala OS?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

(My apologies for the noob question) I always build through my IDE.

@ArtOfCode windows 10

mınxomaτ

@muddyfish Germans.

wat

@Mego what is a "diamond mod"

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

6:09 PM

Although I would prefer a portable solution

muddyfish

@wat a mod

Riker

@RohanJhunjhunwala that's also a problem

wat

18 mins ago, by wat

@wizzwizz4 Why do you keep suffering Windows

ArtOfCode

@RohanJhunjhunwala open Explorer, right click on This PC, hit Properties

Anonymous

@wat Site moderators and SE employees. In other words, moderators, identifiable by the diamonds next to their usernames.

wat

6:10 PM

@Mego OK, thank you.

Riker

@RohanJhunjhunwala I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but windows and java aren't ones

Anonymous

Or, in chat, the people with blue usernames

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

k I'm in properties

ArtOfCode

then "Advanced system settings" on the left, "Environment Variables"

select Path under System variables

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

k

ArtOfCode

6:11 PM

and Edit it

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

to where?

ArtOfCode

there's a button under the list of variables, called Edit, click that

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

k, now what do I type?

Or do I jsut hit ok?

ArtOfCode

@RohanJhunjhunwala now this depends what version of windows 10 you have... screenshot the interface you have?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

It's copied to my clipboard. Give me one second to upload it somehow

Riker

6:12 PM

tfw you check Dennis's rep tab and it's 200s all the way down

DJMcMayhem

Well then make sure you don't check Jon skeet's rep tab

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Riker

you need the raw link, not the github link if you want it to onebox

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Riker Thank you for the onebox

Riker

fwiw imgs don't normally have that on github, right-click -> open image in new tab works though

Kritixi Lithos

6:16 PM

@Riker The image is in a corner of the onebox all by itself

DJMcMayhem

Anonymous

@RohanJhunjhunwala Append C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.8.0_101\bin; to the path variable (replacing the path with whatever path and version you have installed) and save it

Kritixi Lithos

@DJMcMayhem Jon Skeet?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Riker I remember having to use something similar to get a screenshot on my readme

DJMcMayhem

Yessir

Kritixi Lithos

6:17 PM

Why am I even asking? :P

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Mego thanks! @ArtOfCode thank you for the help! I apolgize for my inexperience> I have never manually built java

TuxCopter

@DJMcMayhem Did John Skeet had one day not rep-capping?

Anonymous

@RohanJhunjhunwala Everyone goes through the pain of adding stuff to Windows's PATH at some point :)

Kritixi Lithos

@TuxCopter s/had/have

DJMcMayhem

@TuxCopter I can see like 7-8 (in almost ten years mind you)

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

6:19 PM

So should this be my path now?

%USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\WindowsApps; C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.8.0_101\bin

Do I keep a semicolon between them?

Riker

@KritixiLithos ye

not me >_>

can you please stop quoting that

@wat that's a fixed version of teh screenshot rohan uploaded

not my screen

read the context please

wat

@Riker why is it 2512px tall?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Mego should it look like this now? %USERPROFILE%\AppData\Local\Microsoft\WindowsApps\C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.8.0_101\bin ?

@TuxCopter not for a while, but it appears he sometimes does

in January 2009

ArtOfCode

@RohanJhunjhunwala sounds right

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

why is javac still not recognized an internal or external command :9

:(

this makes me sad

wat

6:26 PM

@RohanJhunjhunwala input the full path instead

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

how?

wat

@RohanJhunjhunwala wrong, put a (whatever windows uses for separators) between the WindowsApps\ and C:\

@RohanJhunjhunwala C:\Program Files\Java\jdk1.8.0_101\bin\javac --version

ArtOfCode

@RohanJhunjhunwala oh, hang on, you need a semicolon after WindowsApps/

Riker

@wat ask rohan

it's not my pic

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@ArtOfCode oh, all right. Let me try that

wat

6:28 PM

@Riker ok

@RohanJhunjhunwala why is it 2512px tall

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@wat monster desktop setup. I essentially have a tv for a monitor

wat

@RohanJhunjhunwala yeah but why is the image 2512px tall

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@wat I think I just messed up pasting it in in ms paint

wat

@RohanJhunjhunwala ok

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@ArtOfCode thanks! I finally got it to work! Thanks, I also had the wrong jdk version down.

ArtOfCode

6:33 PM

no worries

wat

@ArtOfCode I ninja'd you...

ArtOfCode

@wat it took you 6 minutes to notice that?

Downgoat

@RohanJhunjhunwala this is sign

wat

@ArtOfCode yeah

Downgoat

to not use Java and something more sane :P

ArtOfCode

6:34 PM

Java is a perfectly respectable language for most things. It's just not good at golfing.

Anonymous

@ArtOfCode There are other things than golfing?

ArtOfCode

@Mego strangely enough... yes

Anonymous

Citation needed

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ArtOfCode

github.com/SOBotics/Guttenberg

citation provided

DJMcMayhem

@Mego yes. Chatting

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

6:36 PM

@Downgoat would be interested in helping out with the esolang IDE?

I would love to support more languages and I thin cheddar would be a great fit

Riker

@ArtOfCode flagged for mod attention as it's not golfed

invalid answers can't be used as citations

Anonymous

@ArtOfCode Huh, neat. Are there plans to expand that network-wide, a la Smokey?

wizzwizz4

@Riker Marked flag as extremely, extremely, extremely helpful.

Riker

thanks

ArtOfCode

@Mego I don't think so, but I'm not PM on that one

Downgoat

6:51 PM

@RohanJhunjhunwala sure :D

not sure how to do your very complex Java tho

what IDE do you use to make your IDE?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Downgoat the Ide itself... (not really, I use NetBeans) really all I'm looking for is the interpreter (in any language) a command to invoke it and perhaps a couple of files to describe a simple system of syntax highlighting. Take a look at the readme if you might be interested) github.com/rjhunjhunwala/S.I.D.E If you're really interested I would love to have an implementation of a method which takes in CHeddar and outputs a color array for highlighting

wizzwizz4

in SOBotics on Stack Overflow Chat, 20 secs ago, by Hatman

@wizzwizz4 You are my girlfriend, Becky.

How did he find out? :-)

Anonymous

@wizzwizz4 Please don't post messages from other rooms in here that are completely irrelevant

wizzwizz4

@Mego Ok. I'll try to remember that for future.

DJMcMayhem

Which of these is more clear? (C) offset -= (offset % 2); or offset ^= 0x01;

wizzwizz4

7:02 PM

@DJMcMayhem I'd say the latter. But it depends.

What are you trying to do, in context?

DJMcMayhem

I'm trying to guarantee that a certain number is even

If it is odd, subtract one

Anonymous

@DJMcMayhem The first one

wizzwizz4

@DJMcMayhem I'd use if (offset % 2) { offset -= 1; }.

DJMcMayhem

I suppose I could be more explicit about it. if (offset % 2 == 1) offset -= 1;

Ninjad

Good code and code golf are pretty much exact opposites, haha

Cause the golfiest is o^=1;

wizzwizz4

@DJMcMayhem It's ironic that this room is used for both.

confusedandamused

7:09 PM

Anyone here have experience with C# Web API's? I'm trying to figure out the best way to accomplish something

wizzwizz4

@confusedandamused C#... Web... May I ask why?

confusedandamused

Maybe I'm using the incorrect word here, but I'm just pulling from a REST API to grab some xml/json and store it in a db

(that's the short version)

wizzwizz4

@confusedandamused GET or POST?

confusedandamused

GET

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Q: Nth fermat prime number

Your task is to write a program, which prints the nth Fermat prime number. Examples input | output -------------- 1 | 3 2 | 5 3 | 17 4 | 257 5 | 65537 The formula for the nth Fermat number (not necessarily prime number, it may have to be checked): 2^(2^n) + 1 Rules...

confusedandamused

7:12 PM

You see, but the data i am trying to get is the resulted data from all forms filled out on the website.

I can only do one form at a time (or that's all I've figured out)

so it seems silly to do 30-40 different calls to grab all of the data

wizzwizz4

@confusedandamused Which site?

confusedandamused

maybe I'm overlooking something

It's a Kentico CMS website

That's who build it an admins it afaik

mınxomaτ

I wish there were namespaces for macros.

wizzwizz4

@confusedandamused If the API's set up how you say, there's no way to make more than one API request in a single HTTP request.

Anonymous

@mınxomaτ In C/C++? Me too.

Anonymous

7:15 PM

I wish CPP was a bit smarter

wizzwizz4

@mınxomaτ I wish there were namespaces for everything.

confusedandamused

Also for DB structure to store the data - Lets say I have five forms, and each form can have "x" amount of fields

Anonymous

Namespaces are one honking great idea -- let's do more of those!

confusedandamused

What is the best way to store this sort of data stcuture

wizzwizz4

@Mego Why is that not quoted?

flawr

7:17 PM

@Lembik You're right, this it nonsense, we're adding not multiplying....

sorry

The second to last equality is bogus

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

What I'm Planning to Post: Print the number of bytes (not characters, bytes) in the program, without hardcoding the number (i.e. code like print(8) is not allowed). If the code is added to (e.g. with a comment) it should change automatically without needing to change anything else. Example (un...

flawr

@Lembik This should make more sense:

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Q: Does reputation not dilute question quality? / Help request

I have a new best-in-class solution to a protected question and am unable to post anything because of being a new user. Does this community not see diluted question quality from new users earning reputation points? This question, and this solution, which I would love to also share the comments t...

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mınxomaτ

7:50 PM

@Mego As someone who has looked at this framework before, do you consider this example (and it's output) simple and logical enough to be the sort of "chapter 0, easiest example" for potential docs?

wizzwizz4

@mınxomaτ I haven't looked at it before, but I understand it.

All except for TEST: where does that come from?

mınxomaτ

Line 8

gpgpu_auto is like auto. It deduces the type of memory you want from the parameters and declares a new variable, in this case TEST.

DJMcMayhem

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A: We're not a Q&A site. But what should be done about it?

Stop automatically protecting challenges Right now, a question will be automatically protected if it gets three or more deleted answers. This is a good move for Q&A sites, but some things in the nature of PPCG cause problems when this happens PPCG tends to get an unusually high number of answe...

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Votes/thoughts/comments/feedback please?

wizzwizz4

8:15 PM

@DJMcMayhem I remember that Dennis quote.

I also think that it's a good idea.

Pavel

Ye

AdmBorkBork

> I'm still trying to figure out why this works, but it does. -- Dennis

Pavel

talk.tryitonline.net is very good at generating great Dennis quotes

DJMcMayhem

8:32 PM

Wow, tumbleweed and nice answer

ATaco

Gosh I love this community

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Fatalize

Just got one of my answers accepted on SO more than 6 months after posting it... wtf

AdmBorkBork

User sends encrypted email to incorrect email address, gets a bounceback saying "invalid address." Encrypted message system helpfully sends an email reminder to the recipient saying "Hey, you've got an encrypted message you haven't viewed yet!" Every other day. For 30 days. User is getting tired of bouncebacks. A+ system design.

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mınxomaτ

8:51 PM

VSC's syntax highlighter nailing it. 10/10.

wat

@mınxomaτ noice

Martin Ender

@Fatalize Maybe the OP wanted to sleep on it before deciding to accept it.

And when I say "sleep", I mean "hibernate".

ArtOfCode

plot twist: op is a hedgehog

Martin Ender

(or aestivate if they're in the southern hemisphere, I suppose...)

wat

There's some INSANELY hard rain going on around here

I'm in school and I think it's reaching 50db inside

Martin Ender

8:57 PM

Is it laughing maniacally?

mınxomaτ

Is there dramatic organ music?

Fatalize

@MartinEnder The worse part is that it's not even a good answer; terrible memory complexity

wat

now if it was -5°C it would be a blizzard

ok, it seems to have calmed down

Riker

@DJMcMayhem 13 votes in less than an hour

seems like a good idea to me ;P

DJMcMayhem

Apparently ;) two badges also

Wheat Wizard

9:17 PM

Can I use markdown in a bounty text?

Riker

no iirc

Martin Ender

yes

same markdown as in comments

in particular, no line breaks

Riker

ah, okay

I knew it at least didn't support lists

Christopher Peart

Gah

Anyone know a place to learn some more advanced python?

wizzwizz4

Christopher Peart

9:25 PM

Code academy was the basics

muddyfish

@ChristopherPeart stack overflow

Okx

has anyone made a turing complete language that uses a single character? whitespace gets pretty close (i think)

Christopher Peart

@muddyfish I am actually getting out of a SO question ban right now...

@Okx Unary i belive

muddyfish

@ChristopherPeart I meant look at it

but what did you do?

Christopher Peart

I asked a few bad questions

the usual

I have edited them like crazy

Just need upvotes

@Okx Yeah esolangs.org/wiki/Unary

Okx

9:27 PM

whoa

Christopher Peart

BF is Turing complete

Okx

long

Christopher Peart

Yep

wizzwizz4

~~Is there a for(){}else in C?~~ No. At least, not in C11.

Pavel

@Okx Lenguage

Christopher Peart

9:30 PM

9

So I ran a huge git file through js beautifier

muddyfish

@ChristopherPeart I would VTC you're current -4 question

Christopher Peart

It broke the style and was kinda funny

@muddyfish Why? Will it help?

muddyfish

I have no idea what your code is meant to do

Christopher Peart

Display an image

:P

It is a MCVE

muddyfish

I meant how you expect it to achieve it

wizzwizz4

9:33 PM

@ChristopherPeart The answer to this question is to use min(scaleX, scaleY).

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Q: Recreation of Piet Mondrian Composition

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Stewie Griffin

9:49 PM

My answer with the ismac and isunix sketches just earned me a gold badge!

5

Riker

nice!

DJMcMayhem

@StewieGriffin Nice! I'm really bummed the hilarious comments got deleted though

Stewie Griffin

@DJMcMayhem Me too! A lot of good ones :)

mbomb007

@WheatWizard For your Piet art bounty, if an answer outputs to the screen, can this be on a canvas, like Python's turtle?

Wheat Wizard

@mbomb007 I personally would be fine with that, but the question specs don't seem to allow that

mbomb007

10:02 PM

It says "directly to the screen", which seems to be vague to me.

> to a file or to STDOUT, or directly to the screen.

Wheat Wizard

ok I'll accept it then

mbomb007

I may work on "Broadway Boogie Woogie", but I don't have time today. At least not enough to finish, since the image is complicated.

Christopher Peart

@WheatWizard i will post my answer

It won't win tho

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Processing 509,852 bytes http://pastebin.com/ZaL8fPny Yeah. Brute force. Broadway Boogie Woogie

:P

@WheatWizard done

Wheat Wizard

@ChristopherPeart If no one else answers you will win by default.

Destructible Watermelon

why?

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Q: Smallest n-digit prime containing only these digits

You will need to generate the smallest prime with n digits, and it will only contain digits specified in the list k. Examples: Input: 4 1 2 For this, you must generate the smallest prime with 4 digits, and that prime must only contain the digits 1 and 2. Output: 2111 Input: 10 0 4 7 ...

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Christopher Peart

@DestructibleWatermelon cuz i could

Okx

can anyone link me to a code-golf question with an answer in java? haha

with the java answer being the one with the fewest bytes*

ATaco

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Q: What is the shortest infinite loop statement?

I'm working on a golf for Java and I need an infinite loop. Obviously, I don't want to spend any more bytes than I have to, especially in such an expressive language. Assuming I have some code I want to run, obviously the baseline is set at while(1>0)/*stmt*/ or 10 additional characters for a si...

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Jan Dvorak

Ruby has a loop method that does just that.

DJMcMayhem

10:32 PM

@Okx I believe this qualifies:

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A: Shortest code to throw IllegalArgumentException in Java

These were all found by grepping the source code in the package java.lang. All of them result in a "pure" IllegalArgumentException (i.e. not a subclass of it). The ones marked * only work if you add " throws Exception" (18 characters) to your main declaration, as they throw a checked exception ...

Okx

@DJMcMayhem no, it doesn't xD

DJMcMayhem

:P

mbomb007

@WheatWizard It became a lot less likely that I'll do it. I was looking at trinket.io/python , which I've used before, but you can't resize the canvas using the turtle methods (it doesn't work in the online interpreter), so I'd have to resize using html and css in my browser.

That, or I have to install Python, but then I can't work on it as often because I'd be restricted to a single computer.

When you're an Internet-wide distributed AI, it's hard to restrict yourself to a single machine.

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