The Nineteenth Byte

Anyone interested in joining me on an esolang IDE project. I feel like its made good progress so far, and all it really needs is a coordinated effort to add more interpreters to it.

wizzwizz4

@RohanJhunjhunwala Please link so that we can have a closer look.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

github.com/rjhunjhunwala/S.I.D.E

AdmBorkBork

4:08 PM

@BusinessCat Why is "summer" in quotes?

Business Cat

I was originally going to just say Antarctica but changed it because penguins aren't exclusively there

Anonymous

@AdmBorkBork Because the record high in Antarctica is 15.5 C

wizzwizz4

@Mego That's pretty warm.

I'd be fine walking around in a T-shirt and shorts.

In Antarctica...

Anonymous

That was a one-off occurrence. Usually temperates are below 0 C year-round.

AdmBorkBork

@wizzwizz4 Be careful with that. Without protective clothing, the penguins will nibble at your ankles.

Anonymous

4:11 PM

The record low was -93.2 C

wizzwizz4

@Mego That makes more sense.

But temperatures don't get that low now, do they?

Anonymous

Well, that measurement was taken 6.5 years ago

Business Cat

I think winter nights there are typically in the -70s

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@wizzwizz4 isolated pockets in especially unique circumstances

Business Cat

Actually, winter is always night there...

wizzwizz4

4:13 PM

Now I feel cold. It's better than having a fever.

Oh, wait. I still have a fever. :-(

Anonymous

Chills are a very common symptom of a fever

Business Cat

@RohanJhunjhunwala I might be able to help, depending what you need exactly

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

I just need people to commit interpreters and add a couple lines to a file.

wizzwizz4

@RohanJhunjhunwala Linky? :pleading:

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

I'm looking to ensure that more languages are added, especially the more popular languages.

Anonymous

4:17 PM

@RohanJhunjhunwala But why do you need others to do that?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@wizzwizz4 I had posted a link already, but I forgot to ping you. Here, github.com/rjhunjhunwala/S.I.D.E

wizzwizz4

@RohanJhunjhunwala Oh. I didn't notice that. Thanks! :-)

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@Mego I don't particularly know the languages which others are interested in. Also, I was perhaps looking for people to assist me with the static code analysis (i.e syntax parsing)

Business Cat

Jelly, Pyth, CJam is a good start

And MATL

TuxCopter

Static code analysis for Jelly is a bad idea

The grammar is so weird it could crash

Anonymous

4:19 PM

Well, as far as adding interpreters goes, you can do that relatively simply, so long as there are no license compatibility issues

Business Cat

And 05AB1E or however you spell it

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

(They don't need to be java interpreters anymore I fixed that just now) let me alter the readme too reflect.

wizzwizz4

@RohanJhunjhunwala It's written in Java... :-/ I wouldn't be able to test that contributions actually worked.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@wizzwizz4 really, all I need are interpreters.

wizzwizz4

@RohanJhunjhunwala There are quite a lot of those on esolangs.org.

Lembik

4:21 PM

back

@flawr I don't follow the penultimate equality

maybe the ante penultimate one :)

I mean the one with the equals sign on the far right of i.stack.imgur.com/uQyJL.gif

Anonymous

@Lembik For a > b, a!/b! = a*(a-1)*(a-2)*...*(b)

Lembik

yes

Anonymous

So that is used to reduce the denominator to k!

Lembik

but there is a claim that (k^c+k-1) (k^c+k-2)...k^c = k^(ck)(k-1)!

why is that true?

Anonymous

Factor out k**c from each piece of the product

Christopher Peart

4:26 PM

I still can't believe I am sitting at 199 rep lol

AdmBorkBork

@Mego For a moment, I was really confused by what word you were trying to censor that started with k and ends with c ...

Lembik

that gives (1+k^{c-1} - k^{-c)) as the first term

wizzwizz4

@Lembik I think that explanation's right.

Anonymous

Err, I explained it wrong

Lembik

@wizzwizz4 do you see why (k^c+k-1) (k^c+k-2)...k^c = k^(ck)(k-1)! ?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

4:27 PM

Business cat, would you be willing to help out? There seem to be an inordinate number of languages which are used on ppcg and I would appreciate if anyone can allocate some time to help. Also, I don't know any languages therefore it would be incredibly hard for me to slap together some syntax highlighting (which is currently done with regex, but there is some base code (not my code) in the repo for implementing actual analysis).

wizzwizz4

@Lembik (k-1)(k-2)...k = (k^k)(k-1)!

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@BusinessCat ^^

Lembik

@wizzwizz4 (k-1)(k-2)...k = k (k-1)!

why do you get k^k?

oh maybe I don't know what you meant

wizzwizz4

@Lembik Because k is multiplied by itself k times.

Lembik

set k = 4. what is (k-1)(k-2)...k ?

3 * 2 * 1 *4 ?

wizzwizz4

4:29 PM

@Lembik Oops.

Business Cat

@RohanJhunjhunwala I'm willing to help but I'm not familiar with too many languages either. I can help with some that I know though.

wizzwizz4

@Lembik I meant (k-1)(k-2)...1 = (k^k)(k-1)!

Lembik

that's wrong

Business Cat

Although I really wonder what syntax highlighting for a language like CJam would look like...

Lembik

(k-1)(k-2)...1 = (k-1)!

wizzwizz4

4:30 PM

@Lembik I can't do maths... :-/

Lembik

no :)

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@BusinessCat Honestly I would probably just broadly group commands between control flow, math, I/O etc. for right now I'm just trying to get some more languages represented

Lembik

@Mego help :)

wizzwizz4

Ignore me for the while; I haven't had much sleep (~2h).

Lembik

@wizzwizz4 sleep!!

wizzwizz4

4:32 PM

@Lembik I can't. It's daytime, and I don't feel sleepy.

I feel tired, but not sleepy.

Lembik

you could spend the day reading all Trump's old tweets... :)

wizzwizz4

@Lembik That would make me sad, not sleepy.

Lembik

It really wasn't a serious suggestion!

wizzwizz4

Do you happen to know what C library I need to get atoi?

I know I shouldn't use it, but I need undefined behaviour on invalid input, because otherwise I'll have to handle it and I don't want to do that.

Lembik

tutorialspoint.com/c_standard_library/c_function_atoi.htm >

wizzwizz4

4:35 PM

@Lembik Of course. #include <stdlib.h>.

I mistook stdio.h for stdlib.h, so thought I'd already included it. :-/

Lembik

strtol() is what you meant to use

Anonymous

@Lembik Either there's an error, or I'm too sleepy to work out why it works. Regardless, the leading term in the numerator is k**(ck), so it's O(k**(ck)/k!)

wizzwizz4

@Lembik I know, but that requires extra work.

I'm hacking together something that works, then fixing it later.

Lembik

@Mego ok thanks. I think it's an error

@Mego I think the answer might be $\frac{k^{ck-1}e^k}{\sqrt{2 \pi k}}$ just by copying from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… and crossing my fingers

Anonymous

I should probably turn ChatJax back on

Lembik

4:47 PM

that would be great!

ok so no harm in everyone running it

Anonymous

ChatJax is a userscript

Stewie Griffin

Quick question: Is there a f(f(n))=n challenge on PPCG? I think I've seen at least one..?

wizzwizz4

@StewieGriffin lambda x:-x. It's a pretty boring challenge.

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mego Where is it? I can't seem to find it on StackApps (outside of the SOUP patch).

Stewie Griffin

I didn't mean to write that exact challenge... I wondered if there was such a challenge... @wizzwizz4

wizzwizz4

4:52 PM

@StewieGriffin Oh, ok. :-/

Stewie Griffin

I was thinking about something slightly more complex..

:)

Anonymous

@EriktheOutgolfer why does this onebox

Christopher Peart

@Mego Is this valid submission? codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/109608/63187

wizzwizz4

@Mego That's a big one-box.

Anonymous

@wizzwizz4 I didn't expect it to onebox :P

wizzwizz4

4:53 PM

@Mego If in doubt, it will one-box.

Erik the Outgolfer

Things onebox no matter how big they are.

Christopher Peart

Also congrats on becoming Chatroom owner!

Anonymous

@ChristopherPeart Nope. Keypresses aren't bytes, and you're adding an additional requirement not stated in the rules.

Anonymous

@ChristopherPeart Thanks! :)

Christopher Peart

Dang

Erik the Outgolfer

4:55 PM

Wow, ChatJax actually works, although I'm afraid it might make chat lag a bit.

Lembik

how fast do you normally chat? :)

Erik the Outgolfer

Not so much, but that isn't the only symptom of lagging.

Business Cat

Today I got two upvotes on an answer that didn't get any since I posted it last summer

Weird

mınxomaτ

I don't understand investment anymore. Snap committed over $3B to AWS+Google over the next 5y. While SpaceX's launch vehicle only comes in at $1.2B....

Christopher Peart

@Mego The requirement is needed to use the "language" Darn

I was hoping it would work

Kritixi Lithos

4:57 PM

Gah, I'm having the worst dilemma of choosing the font for my terminal

wizzwizz4

@Mego Those look like valid bytes to me. 'A'-32, 'C'-32, 'V'-32.

@KritixiLithos Pick a random one each new session.

Make sure you've got Wingdings installed.

Anonymous

@wizzwizz4 I don't know what you're trying to say.

wizzwizz4

@Mego ^A, ^C and ^V are bytes. Vim submissions use them.

AdmBorkBork

@ChristopherPeart That doesn't even remotely satisfy the challenge output.

Anonymous

@wizzwizz4 Sure, because you can represent them in script files with control characters. You can't do the same in Windows. The closest would be a Batch script using xcopy.

Anonymous

4:59 PM

But like the good Admiral said, it doesn't satisfy the challenge requirements.

Kritixi Lithos

@wizzwizz4 You see, I judge a font by how it displays 0g";. None of the fonts (out the the 10-ish I can choose from) fit my needs. Now I don't know what to choose

wizzwizz4

@KritixiLithos Mix and match glyphs if you want.

Stewie Griffin

@wizzwizz4 Looks like this answer

Christopher Peart

@AdmBorkBork it does. Is displays a copy box. You need a 1gb file tho

wizzwizz4

It'll look a bit ugly, but you could get used to it.

@ChristopherPeart The challenge output doesn't specify a copy box though.

It specifies STDOUT.

Anonymous

5:01 PM

It also doesn't satisfy the requirement of randomly choosing within the range of file transfer speeds.

wat

@KritixiLithos Terminus

Anonymous

@wizzwizz4 Nowhere does it specify STDOUT. We allow a variety of output methods.

Kritixi Lithos

@wizzwizz4 Hmm... That's a really nice idea!

wat

@KritixiLithos Slightly misleading screenshots (the letter a is different)

wizzwizz4

@Mego I didn't mean STDOUT... :-/ I'll probably turn in for the night, even though it's early.

Stewie Griffin

5:05 PM

@ChristopherPeart, you can't guarantee steps of 10kB and a transfer rate between 10kB and 100MB/s randomly chosen from a uniform distribution...?

Kritixi Lithos

@wat Nice font, but too complicated to set up (I don't have it in the otf/ttf format)

wat

@KritixiLithos What operating system do you use?

Kritixi Lithos

By complicated I mean that I'm lazy :P

Mac OS X

wat

oh. well, that's a problem.

anyway, there's an unofficial TTF version. Let me get a link

Kritixi Lithos

"Unofficial"? Nah, it's okay

mınxomaτ

5:09 PM

@AdmBorkBork I need PS help. I want to spawn a new powershell from a batch file where for that session, a path is added to ... the path. I currently use PowerShell -NoExit -Command "$env:Path += '%~dp0x86\bin'", but it doesn't work. PS is opened, but can't find the programs from that path.

Kritixi Lithos

@wizzwizz4 Do you by any chance know how to edit an otf?

wizzwizz4

@KritixiLithos FontForge?

mınxomaτ

@AdmBorkBork Example (gcc.exe being in that path):

C:\Users\turbo\Google Drive\Lenovo\ThreadCC-master>PowerShell -NoExit -Command "$env:Path += 'C:\Users\turbo\Google Drive\Lenovo\ThreadCC-master\x86\bin'"
PS C:\Users\turbo\Google Drive\Lenovo\ThreadCC-master> gcc
gcc : The term 'gcc' is not recognized as the name of a cmdlet, function,

wizzwizz4

I don't have any otf files, so I can't test.

wat

@KritixiLithos Unofficial, as in someone who is not the author of the font converted it to TTF. Otherwise it is the same font

files.ax86.net/terminus-ttf [WARNING: slow site]

wizzwizz4

5:11 PM

@mınxomaτ Have you tried gcc.exe?

Kritixi Lithos

@wat Do you use this?

wat

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 1 min ago, by rene

I don't want to disappoint you but at least one designer recently left the company so that wouldn't help the backlog of sites that wait for designs either

@KritixiLithos Yes I even have it installed

I can upload it to my web server for you if that doesn't load

mınxomaτ

@wizzwizz4 That wouldn't make a difference. No file in that path can be found.

Kritixi Lithos

@wat Nice font, but the tilde is a bit too high... (I am being so picky today :/)

wizzwizz4

@KritixiLithos Make your own, if you don't like the existing ones. :-p

FontForge is good for assembling them, but Inkscape is better for drawing if you convert everything to a closed path before importing it in FontForge.

wat

5:23 PM

@KritixiLithos You can use one of their modifications

It's called td1

Kritixi Lithos

@wizzwizz4 I think I will try that sometime. Until then, I'll stick with Roboto Mono (and its weird ;)

wat

s/modifications/patches.

DJMcMayhem

@Riker are you sure neovim comes default on Yosemite? That doesn't sound right to me, and I can't find any info about it online

wat

If you install the font officially, there's a few patches you can apply to it to change some characteristics.

Go to the home page terminus-font.sourceforge.net and scroll down to "character variants"

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Please dont link us to source forge

wat

5:28 PM

@RohanJhunjhunwala Why not

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

howtogeek.com/218764/…

wizzwizz4

@RohanJhunjhunwala They don't do that anymore, afaik.

wat

It's not a windows program, they don't do that anymore either

wizzwizz4

I'm still wary, but I've never come across it for the last 3 years.

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

@wizzwizz4 while I do understand they have stopped that process, I still believe they lose their credibility on some level

wizzwizz4

5:30 PM

@RohanJhunjhunwala They do. But everybody makes mistakes; most people have forgiven Microsoft for IE's built-in-ness.

(I still haven't forgiven them for Metro, but they haven't made that a removable feature yet.)

wat

@wizzwizz4 remember Bob?

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

I can understand that.

@wizzwizz4 what is Metro? (at the risk of sounding stupid)

wat

@RohanJhunjhunwala Microsoft Design language

@wizzwizz4 they are moving away from it

wizzwizz4

@RohanJhunjhunwala The Settings "app". Nerfing Control Panel so that people have to use it.

wat

made a new design language called Neon

wizzwizz4

5:32 PM

@wat Yay! :-)

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wizzwizz4

But the lock screen is still Metro, so I can't login without it.

The Windows Store is removable, but Microsoft Edge isn't.

wat

It's just a refinement of Metro though, same basic principles, sorry about that

Microsoft Edge isn't really metro. It's also rpetty good.

wizzwizz4

@wat Oh. :-/

mınxomaτ

@wizzwizz4 Control panel is still around. The Settings app does few different things. You cannot remove Windows Store, but you can deactivate it (but only in the Enterprise version).

wizzwizz4

5:33 PM

@wat The engine's good, but they could've updated IE with it too (considering it's a fork of IE's engine; essentially IE14 rebranded).

wat

Why do people remove the store? If you dont like it dont use it

@wizzwizz4 compatibility

wizzwizz4

@mınxomaτ Control panel has been nerfed though. It has many features removed from it.

mınxomaτ

As in?

wizzwizz4

Some of those aren't available in the Settings app.

mınxomaτ

All still there.

wizzwizz4

5:35 PM

@mınxomaτ Personalisation -> Desktop Background, for one.

wat

@wizzwizz4 like what?

wizzwizz4

@mınxomaτ Many link to Settings.

mınxomaτ

@wizzwizz4 Nope.

Anonymous

@wizzwizz4 You seem to be having a bad habit of stating things as fact without actually confirming their correctness.

wat

@mınxomaτ I have personally seen this happen

mınxomaτ

5:36 PM

@wizzwizz4 That's not removed. The actual setting moved to Settings app for the sole reason of being sync'ed with your MS account.

wat

For example Windows Update control panel got removed.

wizzwizz4

@Mego I'm pretty sure that they aren't, because I remember not being able to do something.

That's it. Windows Update. :-)

mınxomaτ

@wat To include it in the sync. Everything in Settings is synced. In Control Panel it isn't. That's a big pro in my book.

wat

@mınxomaτ It isn't in Settings either.

Anonymous

Windows Update is not "many things"

mınxomaτ

5:37 PM

@wat What is not?

wat

@Mego Explain detailed personalizaton dialog box.

Anonymous

In fact, I consider it to be a negative thing, so removing Windows Update from Control Panel is a plus :P

wat

@mınxomaτ Detailed update control, option to disable updates, etc.

Anonymous

@wat I don't know what that message is supposed to mean

Erik the Outgolfer

I consider Windows Update to be a negative thing.

wat

5:38 PM

@Mego The detailed personalization dialog box got removed.

@EriktheOutgolfer So you want people to constantly run unpatched systems?

wizzwizz4

The replacement's buggy.

It does this most times I try to launch it.

Anonymous

@wat Nope: i.imgur.com/6KcerDa.png

wizzwizz4

@EriktheOutgolfer Windows Update's still there; now you can't control it.

mınxomaτ

Erik the Outgolfer

@wat I think that while Windows Update does indeed provide important updates, it has some very negative aspects, the worst of all being forcing you to install updates that might crash your system.

wizzwizz4

5:40 PM

@mınxomaτ That's nowhere near what you used to be able to do.

You now no longer have control over the software running on your own computer.

Anonymous

@wat Unpatched system versus history of bricking computers... I know what I'm choosing.

mınxomaτ

@wizzwizz4 Yes. Because Windows is now a rolling OS, not a versioned one.

wizzwizz4

Microsoft can push anything they like, and you have to trust them to do stuff that you want them to do.

Anonymous

@wizzwizz4 By simply changing a registry key, you can completely control when you get updates.

wizzwizz4

@mınxomaτ You used to be able to pick and choose updates.

mınxomaτ

5:41 PM

@wizzwizz4 No you don't. You have granular control over WSUS from the group policy and the above screen.

wizzwizz4

@Mego No. It changes back constantly, i.e. most updates.

Anonymous

@wizzwizz4 Incorrect. I've had it set since Windows 10 released.

wizzwizz4

@mınxomaτ Only if you have Windows 10 Pro, which costs quite a lot more.

mınxomaτ

You can also review, uninstall and disable single updates.

wizzwizz4

@Mego Really? Whenever I update, many of my settings change (although less frequently then they used to, to be fair).

@mınxomaτ How?

I'd really like to know.

mınxomaτ

5:42 PM

wat

@mınxomaτ gpedit.msc is only in pro versions and enterprise.

Anonymous

@wizzwizz4 I've literally never had that happen. If you're going to argue, please at least do a little bit of research beforehand.

wat

@mınxomaτ Please stop using stack.imgur.com

mınxomaτ

Anonymous

@wat Why? That's SE's imgur domain.

wat

5:43 PM

@mınxomaτ ...

mınxomaτ

WSUS control panel is still there ^^^

wizzwizz4

@Mego It happens on my machine. I don't know why.

wat

@Mego *imgur.com is blocked in my school

wizzwizz4

@mınxomaτ Which version have you got?

Erik the Outgolfer

Why should he stop using i.stack.imgur.com??? It's not a bad image server, and SE's own image uploading space hosted by imgur.

Anonymous

5:44 PM

@wat Well that's unfortunate for you

wat

@EriktheOutgolfer *.imgur.com is blocked in my school

I have to wget it onto my VPS

wizzwizz4

@wat *.stackexchange.com is blocked in mine. You should think yourself lucky.

mınxomaτ

@wat I'm sorry, but your schools policy doesn't matter for anyone else. Unless I want to send you a pic directly, I will use the network upload button.

Whoops, wrong ping.

wat

@wizzwizz4 what why

wizzwizz4

@wat It's a "forum".

wat

5:45 PM

OK, it's fine, I can set up a proxy

@wizzwizz4 It isn't though

Kritixi Lithos

Hence the quotes

Anonymous

School administrators are typically not tech-savvy

Anonymous

The ones who decide the rules typically don't understand them

wizzwizz4

@wat I know. I tried to convince the network admins, but it's on a compulsory list.

wat

@wizzwizz4 compulsory.

WTF.

Is SO blocked too?

wizzwizz4

5:46 PM

@Mego Mine are. They just don't have time to do everything whilst programming enough to keep the system from collapsing.

@wat No, but it's meant to be.

Erik the Outgolfer

@wizzwizz4 I know you're lying right now.

wat

@wizzwizz4 Wat.

wizzwizz4

They just "forgot" to add it to the list.

wat

@EriktheOutgolfer VPNs are a thing

muddyfish

stackoverflow.com is not *.stackexchance.com

wizzwizz4

5:47 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer I'm not in school.

I'm ill. :-(

Anonymous

Let's not discuss further how to circumvent network content policies :)

5

wat

@muddyfish yeah but it's very related, so they might have blocked it as well

@Mego ssh -D?

Erik the Outgolfer

@wizzwizz4 Get well soon wizz. I'm sorry for your illness.

wizzwizz4

@EriktheOutgolfer My immune system is ridiculously overpowered; my main fever only lasted ~7 hours, so I expect I'll be fine tomorrow.

Kritixi Lithos

@wizzwizz4 Have you rebooting? :P

wizzwizz4

5:49 PM

@KritixiLithos Ssh.

wat

@wizzwizz4 I'm already quiet!

AdmBorkBork

@mınxomaτ I think you might be missing a semicolon

Erik the Outgolfer

@wizzwizz4 I think mine is powered like that too. It seems like you had many illnesses when you were younger and now your immune system is more secure. Or it's an illness you've already had in the past or something.

wizzwizz4

@EriktheOutgolfer I don't think I've had influenza before. Although, the symptoms do feel familiar.

wat

@wizzwizz4 Why do you keep suffering Windows

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Anonymous

5:52 PM

@wizzwizz4 There are a lot of other illnesses that have influenza-like symptoms. The easiest distinction is that influenza causes awful body aches and utter exhaustion.

wizzwizz4

@Mego There's 'flu going round.

Erik the Outgolfer

@Mego For me influenza never had me have body aches.

Anonymous

If you don't feel like you just ran a marathon and then got run over by a train, it's probably not influenza. Influenza is not subtle.

wizzwizz4

But they disabled it after people brought Minecraft in on USB-sticks.

mınxomaτ

@AdmBorkBork Makes no difference.

wat

5:53 PM

My middle school had a MInecraft club

mınxomaτ

@wat PCI watchdog maybe.

wizzwizz4

@wat The school used to have one, but the club closed after the teacher running it left.

Erik the Outgolfer

For me influenza had me have a fever of 40°C.

muddyfish

7 mins ago, by Mego

Let's not discuss further how to circumvent network content policies :)

Anonymous

@muddyfish Yes, thank you. I'm going to start trashing and kicking if people don't quit trying to advise how to hack their school computers to bypass network restrictions.

wat

5:56 PM

Just for a mod to move messages to

mınxomaτ

@wat That would be Trash.

Kritixi Lithos

@wat Page Not Found

Anonymous

@wat No, you don't understand. Hacking a school system is not only against school rules - it's illegal.

2

Anonymous

That kind of content is not welcome anywhere on the SE network.

wat

@Mego Not suggesting hacking something. In this case it went a bit too far.

AdmBorkBork

5:57 PM

@mınxomaτ $env:Path += ";C:\foo\bin" should work ...

Erik the Outgolfer

We should not promote illegal things. These messages should get deleted by a mod, not trashed.

wizzwizz4

For the record: I didn't think that it was a serious conversation.

@EriktheOutgolfer There's a mod trash. I'll send them there.

wat

@KritixiLithos room got trashed.

@wizzwizz4 this

Anonymous

@wizzwizz4 Regardless, you should not have participated.

wat

@Mego what is illegal about what we were discussing?

mınxomaτ

5:58 PM

@AdmBorkBork quiet inner facepalm

thx

wizzwizz4

@wat It's illegal to break into a network. Cracking.

AdmBorkBork

@mınxomaτ :D

wat

@wizzwizz4 break into a network?

muddyfish

it actually depends on where you live on the legality but that doesn't really matter because of the Be Nice policy

Anonymous

@wat The legal definition of hacking is obtaining unauthorized access to a computer system or data. That includes bypassing content filters and security restrictions.

wat

5:59 PM

I wasn't suggesting that you break into a network. I was suggesting ways that one could break into a network.

wizzwizz4

@wat I know.

But it's probably best to trash them anyway.

Anonymous

@wat The distinction is irrelevant. We don't discuss how to commit crimes here.

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