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user214599
12:03 AM
Hi
 
I asked a question recently with "wireworld" in the title. It seems to still exist, but isn't showing up on the active or week tabs of the site. What's up with that?
 
Do you have a link to it?
 
5
Q: Build a digital clock in Wireworld

SparrInspired by this Game of Life question. Wireworld simulates "electrons" flowing through "wires", simple arrangements of which produce typical logic gate behavior. I challenge you to build a digital clock in the Wireworld cellular automaton. Your clock must count upwards from 00:00 to 23:59 in t...

@Sparr Questions get bumped to the top of the active list only when they get edits or answers I think
 
@Lynn @DrGreenEggsandIronMan docs on the way. I'm too lazy to set up a GH wiki so I'll sette for a little md document for now
 
12:07 AM
@HelkaHomba I'm not concerned that it's not at the top, I'm concerned it isn't appearing at all.
It should be slowly moving down the list as other things get edits/answered, right?
 
user214599
Yes
 
did I use some secret taboo word that's causing it to get censored?
am I some type of shadowbanned?
 
@Sparr new questions don't go on the active list right away I think
it is on the new list
 
Hey, Sparr, your question is on the active list
 
user214599
Edit your question!!!!! Now!!!!!
 
12:09 AM
@βετѧΛєҫαγ I don't see it, do you?
 
@MatthewRoh No. Don't artificially give it clout.
 
@HelkaHomba new list? where is that? when I go to the Questions page I see active featured hot week month as options
 
sorry, my list just now was the main page, not the questions page
I didn't realize they weren't the same
wow
 
12:12 AM
It is weird and confusing
 
And on that bombshell, it's time to say goodnight
 
I've been using a dozen SE sites since SE started, and SO for years before that, and never noticed that
 
user214599
Wait I was about to say good morning then u guys say good night? Srsly?
 
It's only me saying good night
It's 1:15 AM here in old Blighty
 
user214599
9:15 am here
 
user214599
12:16 AM
@βετѧΛєҫαγ are u GMT+1
 
Yep, BST, GMT+1
 
Well, seems like the Even Bytes challenge is not really possible in C. I can't even use "main", which is needed to compile and execute a C program.
 
You can make a function
Hm actually can you even have curly braces
 
> You must write a complete program that determines if a file is contains any odd bytes and is thus uncorrupted.
 
Oh, complete program. Rough.
 
12:27 AM
I wonder if you could comvince a C compiler to use EBCDIC. Curly braces are C0 and D0.
 
2
Q: Convert Algebraic notation to Descriptive notation

asibahiMr Short likes to play chess. Mr Short is also a very traditional man. Hence, Mr Short is disturbed by the recent trend of using Algebraic notation in modern chess, and he would rather use Descriptive notation, like his father and his father's father before him. Note To simplify this challenge,...

 
@Dennis -finput-charset=IBM-1047
maybe?
(that's for gcc)
 
@Dennis That may work. All I really need to know now is the actual name of that encoding.
 
@Sparr Hm, that gave 3413 lines or error messages.
 
hooray! :)
are you sure you've properly crafted an EBCDIC source file to feed it?
 
12:34 AM
As far as I can tell, I did.
dennis-home:~$ gcc x.c
dennis-home:~$ ./a.out
Hi!
dennis-home:~$ iconv -f ASCII -t IBM-1047 x.c > y.c
dennis-home:~$ gcc -finput-charset=IBM-1047 y.c |& wc -l
3413
 
How many IBM encodings are there?
 
hundreds?
they are mostly just IBM's version of some other "standard"
 
Wow...I only know of the ones in use in Python listed here.
 
iconv supports 286 encodings with name IBMx and 77 with name EBCDIC-x. They might overlap though.
 
iana's list is shorter than iconv's :)
 
12:38 AM
Hm, main is still not possible in EBCDIC.
 
ibm1026 may also work. Apparently, { in that encoding is 72 and } is 140.
 
write a program to query all the encodings for must-have characters?
main{};=(),
should narrow the field a lot
or just iconv that string to every encoding :)
 
@Sparr They're not all different. There's CP803, CSIBM803, IBM-803, IBM803 and probably some EBCDIC that corresponds to it.
 
Also need open for sure
 
@quartata you'd be appalled at what you can do with a pointer to another function in the same library as open() and some pointer arithmetic, if you can otherwise force the whole library to get linked.
 
12:58 AM
Ah yes :P gotta love pointer arithmetic
Think you need + or - and % or & though
 
1:09 AM
GS2 to the rescue!
Although it's really confusing that d is even and e is odd. :P
 
@Quill halp, everything is borked
 
first things first: grab your passport, withdraw all your saving, grab the next flight to mexico. once you're there; change your name, grow a beard and get a job at a local mcdonalds
 
@Quill A) they dont give me passport since im goat :( B) i have eaten all my savings (savings = tin cans) C) ok, will change name to Downsheep, brb
but my questoin is:
how to fs.read
for some reason the first time I read, it just returns garbage. then after EOF it also returns garbage
 
1:24 AM
no idea, I've never worked with file i/o in node
 
:(
@ConorO'Brien halp are you there
question: does pwrite move the position in the fd?
 
I'm sure he has an endgame, I just have no idea what it is. I'm positive though that he doesn't actually mean 90% of what he says.
 
cheddar> fd.read(10)
ÿÿÿÿ1ø®
cheddar> fd.read(10)
¯
cheddar> fd.read(10)
±
cheddar> fd.read(10)
ÿÿÿÿÀ±
cheddar> fd.read(10)
ne
i dont even know whats happening anymore
 
Looks like Javascript happening.
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1:36 AM
but it's not JavaScript
 
Oh really?
 
though it's actually pread
so it's not actually javascript happening
 
In the grand tradition of always continue on, pay no attention to errors.
> JavaScript 97.5%
How is it not happening, I don't understand.
 
cheddar IO was obviously coded in Makefile
 
Makes sense.
 
1:43 AM
nvm forgot to set self.closed variable
 
Anyone here on archlinux ever had the problem that a "battery level critically low" warning appears when the charge reaches 100%?
 
2:03 AM
@Downgoat I am here
 
are you familiar with node file i/o?
I am trying to figure out how to detect EOF with fs.read
 
@mınxomaτ Looks like archlinux happening.
@Downgoat uh
nope dunno
 
o_o I think it's actually just doing on and displaying what's next in memory
cheddar> fd.read(500)
:

 - [x] Stack overflowing during various invalid expression syntax
 - [x] Error handling is completely borked.
  - [x] Syntax Errors (index & prop data is lost)
  - [x] Runtime Errors

Further Development

 - [x] JS Interfacing
 - [ ] A bunch of libraries
µ;
            }

        CK¶éÉ2.default)(_bloc¸<¶è<¶Ú;§H=¶x=¶ªØj8B¶ I¶ò_D¶
Â>¶ø>¶Ðe¶A¶PH¶Ø        var FOR = thi
 
2:18 AM
@ConorO'Brien question: what is difference between bonding and currying?
 
user214599
@mınxomaτ I did get the warning "Battery level critically high" ._.
 
@Downgoat bond(f, ...args)(...arg2) = f(...args2, ..args) versus curry(f)(a1)(a2)...(aN)
 
user214599
@DownGoat can you please make a golf edition of cheddar?
 
@MatthewRoh that is a horrid, unpopular idea.
 
user214599
We could call it ched
 
2:25 AM
@Downgoat Hmm. I can't think of what the name for this "error" is, but it's like not terminating C strings with a null byte.
 
user214599
@ConorO'Brien Why?
 
well, I assume. What precisely do you mean by "golf edition"?
 
user214599
@ConorO'Brien Shorten the name of everything. ex. fs.read -> f.rd
 
yup, bad idea.
it's uncreative.
 
user214599
Ok
 
2:28 AM
PPCGers seem to tend to do similar activities in waves. There was a period of a couple months where the hot thing was to make golfy versions of non-golfing languages. Hence, we got Jolf, Japt, MATL, etc...
 
@El'endiaStarman ;_; teascript was first of that wave. y it no get listed
 
user214599
fd.hack(site.popular_list.facebook());
 
cheddar> ((+)&1)(3)
4
\o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ bonding works
 
@Downgoat I can hardly remember all of the dozen (at least) golfed languages that popped up during that time...
Also, Teascript was one of the few whose name wasn't a shortened version of the original language's name.
 
@El'endiaStarman Nor should you :P
 
2:30 AM
@Downgoat +1
 
@ConorO'Brien oh ok. so bonding is like partial-currying?
 
@Downgoat I suppose, yes
 
Isn't it that thing with ropes and such?
 
@Dennis Bump up his own businesses (not working yet)? Secretly destroy the republican party? Proliferate a truly xenophobic, factless government? It's scary that the third option is the most likely.
 
@El'endiaStarman Jolf isn't a shortened name for JavaScript :p TBF, I made jolf when I first joined PPCG. Then, I thought it CG was scored by characters, didn't know about github, and thought black backgrounds were cool.
 
2:32 AM
Oooh, something just occurred to me. I kinda want to see Trump get impeached so he can be torn apart on all the falsehoods he's spouted... :P
 
@El'endiaStarman true
 
@ConorO'Brien Well, JavaScript + Golf ~= Jolf, so, close enough? :P
 
A factless government sounds like a good idea. Then when foreign entities breach the government's computer systems, they won't be able to steal any valid information.
 
@El'endiaStarman nope. :P
 
@ConorO'Brien Ah bummer. :P That might actually mean that Jolf is one of the few whose names weren't basically abbreviations.
 
2:34 AM
@El'endiaStarman TBF again, I did it only because japt was taken
 
@feersum I wonder how North Korea fits into that theory. :P
 
@El'endiaStarman Do they have computers?
 
@feersum A few.
 
user214599
@feersum They do have computers, but they suck.
 
yeah, they only have macs
 
2:36 AM
Do they have facts in them?
 
@ConorO'Brien *high five*
 
@El'endiaStarman hi five back fancy stars, star man
 
user214599
@feersum They hacked south korea
 
@feersum Uncertain.
 
@El'endiaStarman Good enough then.
 
2:38 AM
@ConorO'Brien (That's due to inline code formatting; normal - *, code - *.)
 
@El'endiaStarman ohhh clever
 
THIS IS WHY YOU WAKE ME UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT?
9
 
If you don't know that the information in the computers is facts, then it can't help you.
 
@HelkaHomba No part of Trump's nomination has palyed out as I expected... While I wholeheartedly agree that there really is no reason to vote for him, I don't think option 3 is actually his intention, or even within the possibilities of a president without the required suppoet from his party.
 
2:39 AM
@ConorO'Brien It's also the only way I know of to have two asterisks on either side of a word without it getting italicized.
 
@NewMainPosts i think this might actually be the same bot that posted the previous avocado question rather than a user who thinks it is still funny
 
user214599
I did the final blow on how to juic the avocado
 
@El'endiaStarman *asdf*
escape the first one
 
@NewMainPosts I'm not sure what's worse: The question or the fact that it had 2 upvotes.
 
@Dennis eleven it to question hell
 
2:40 AM
@Dennis I know! Extreme ಠ_ಠ at the upvoters.
 
@ConorO'Brien Way ahead of you.
 
@Dennis wait wat
 
@ConorO'Brien Ooooh. *nods* That works.
@Downgoat Yup. +2/-6.
 
@Dennis I'm a little slow :p
 
oh, that was me :| I accidentally upvoted >_> >_>_>_>_>_>_>_>
whoops <_<_<_<_<_<
 
2:41 AM
But but but... it was a [king-of-the-hill]... we could have had a team-style avocad juicing :(
 
@NewMainPosts @Dennis can you 11 the chat post?
 
@El'endiaStarman No. I know it can be amusing to watch him crash and burn but as president his decisions would have real consequences. I'm no expert but from what I've seen of Trump's rhetoric and temper and foreign policy, I don't want him capable of starting a WW3 :S
 
@Geobits ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
@HelkaHomba Oh, I definitely agree.
Though I wonder if other countries wouldn't bother rising to Trump's rhetoric because they know he's just a buffoon.
 
user214599
O <--- avocado
|| <-- avocado juicer
\_/ <- cup
 
2:44 AM
@Dennis Tin Foil Option 4: Republicans impeach Trump right away and conservative yet calming Pence steps up.
 
Is anyone in here 35?
 
@feersum @Geobits might be that age or older.
 
:O
I'm 33! :P
 
Though I'm not sure I want a president that downvotes everyone.
@Geobits Hey close enough. :P
 
I think trichoplax is 34/35 maybe.
 
user214599
2:45 AM
I just need 208 more reps ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
Turtles are old.
 
@feersum i think @TimmyD and @trichoplax are.
 
Yeah that's close enough to pass, we can just make a fake birth certificate.
Geobits 2016!
 
Nah, I'm gonna run in 2020. 2016 is f*ing crazy.
 
2
A: Is this number Loeschian?

Leaky NunJellyfish, 56 43 41 29 bytes 2 bytes thanks to Zgarb p n + +`/ `1* / + &*r&;>i Try it online! A fork of my Jelly answer.

\o/
 
user214599
2:46 AM
:o I'm just 12 now :/
 
So... Matthew Roh 2040?
 
user214599
@Geobits ._.
 
@Geobits Would you say "older than the trees, younger than the mountains, blowing like a breeze" describes your age?
 
Depends on the tree. Are we talking the newly farmed pines, or the majestic old oaks? We have plenty of both around here.
I can't wait for the 2020 run. I'm sure it will bring out the worst puns on "vision" for some time to come.
 
@MatthewRoh techinically you aren't supposed to be on SE before 13, just fyi
 
user214599
2:48 AM
I could be even younger than a newly farmed pine :|
 
user214599
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ But why not :P
 
Child protection laws and such.
 
You're putting the whole chatroom at risk!
 
I DON'T WANNA BE A SEX OFFENDER
 
user214599
2:50 AM
Woooo calm down
 
The first rule of being under 13 on the internet: Don't talk about being under 13 on the internet.
13
 
night
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ You just proved you're an apostrophender o_o
 
fixed
@ConorO'Brien night!
@Dennis nice edit
@Geobits ._.
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Smith/Goldthwait 2020: A perfect vision for the future
It's gonna happen.
 
2:55 AM
@Geobits If someone in this room really ran for president that would be crazy. Their entire chat history would be catnip to the presses.
 
Hahaha. I'm gonna need a mod to nuke the entire transcipt, please.
 
user214599
How do I self ping
 
You're too young for that.
 
> You onced called Alex wrong. Is that really presidential behavior?
 
user214599
._.
 
user214599
2:57 AM
/o\
 
@HelkaHomba Uh. Yes? I thought we were supposed to be sticking to facts :P
 
@MatthewRoh put :31493670 (or w/e id) at the start of your message
 
Our reporters have uncovered that Geobits once downvoted a disabled user!
 
user214599
:31493689
 
Oh, and say something
@HelkaHomba hi me
 
2:59 AM
@feersum Not much of a discovery. I'm sure I've done it more than once. I don't downvote based on the person, but on the post. (too easy)
 
user214599
All of my challenge became a legend
 
@MatthewRoh use the exact number in the url of the permalink of what you want to ping, eg chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/31493670#31493670
 
@Geobits Like this one. See the edit history.
 
user214599
@MatthewRoh oooh
 
3:04 AM
@MatthewRoh aaah
 
user214599
c[==] <= trashcan
 
user214599
WAIT if community is a bot, how could it edit posts?
 
Community takes responsibility for anonymous edit suggestions
 
> responsibility
 
0
A: Catalan Numbers

Leaky NunJellyfish, 16 12 bytes p %C+ & >+i Try it online!

golfing advice please
 
3:20 AM
0
Q: Tips for golfing in Jellyfish

Leaky Nun Jellyfish is a two-dimensional esoteric programming language inspired by J and written in Python 3. It was inspired by a challenge on PPCG. The name was suggested in PPCG chat as a combination of Jelly, a golfing language inspired by J, and Fish, a two-dimensional esoteric language. What gen...

 
3:45 AM
HAI
I haz numbrz
 
3:56 AM
0 question per minute. :P
 
@Dennis anything golfable here?
@Phrancis try doing question/minute of math.SE
 
@LeakyNun No idea. I didn't have time to familiarize myself with Jellyfish.
 
@Dennis alright
 
user214599
brianfuck
 
4:01 AM
 
@Zgarb Can you help me golf this? Also, do you have anything to post here?
 
Note, the figures are cast to decimal(8,2), in reality they are floating point
 
@LeakyNun Congrats!
 
@Dennis thank you
@Phrancis nice
So I shouldn't VTC now because of hammers?
 
@LeakyNun The Catalan numbers look pretty terse to me. I'll try to think of some tips later.
 
4:05 AM
@Zgarb thanks, I included a trick I used in the Catalan numbers in the tips
Is that intended?
 
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A: High-rep hammers hamper high-rep humans

DennisFirst and foremost, from When did I get close-vote superpowers?: The rules are: You can instantly close as a duplicate any question that was originally asked with a tag you have a gold badge for. You can instantly reopen any question closed as a duplicate that was originally asked w...

 
@Dennis thanks
 
@LeakyNun That trick is one of the reasons Jellyfish has the syntax it has.
 
@Zgarb nice, also is my description correct?
 
@LeakyNun Seems good to me!
 
4:07 AM
@Zgarb thanks
@Zgarb Do you think this can be golfed?
@Zgarb Do you have a jellyfish equivalent of J's +/~?
 
@LeakyNun I'll have to think about those later, sorry.
 
Alright
 
4:32 AM
question: what should be alphabet for base 63+
 
5:07 AM
Why an alphabet at all? I find base conversion using numeric arrays more useful.
 
5:40 AM
@LeakyNun You can thread + to levels [0 1] and self-apply that with &: jellyfish.tryitonline.net/…
But there's no built-in for that currently.
 
@Winny don't think so
@trichoplax yes
@NathanMerrill :P It's a screenshot from Sublime
@Downgoat idk
 
5:56 AM
0
Q: Quickest way to write an N*N matrix with values in circular order(going inwards)?

piepiFor N = 5 1 2 3 4 5 16 17 18 19 6 15 24 25 20 7 14 23 22 21 8 13 12 11 10 9 This is a 5*5 matrix with values filled in spiral/rectangular outwards to inwards.

0
Q: Are non-competing answers allowed?

OurousWhat prompted this question was a unique case, but I feel that it is generally applicable. Are non-competing answers allowed on this site? A non-competing answer is one which is not taken into contention when determining the best/smallest/fastest answer to a question/challenge. Obviously there ...

 
6:13 AM
@Downgoat Use unicode?
 
Do you guys think game-sound subtitles in a Minecraft video are helpful or just distracting? (e.g. the stuff on the lower right of youtu.be/DRAbuvyNGgQ)
(@El'endiaStarman @DrGreenEggsandIronMan @Optimizer @whoever else might watch my videos)
 
0
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

MegoStaggered Starts In races in which racers go around at least one turn of a curved track, the starting positions for each racer are staggered, so that each racer travels the same distance around the track (otherwise, the racer in the innermost lane would have a huge advantage). Given the lengths...

 
dammit I'm three bytes out of outgolfing someone
1 char more than them
now
oh yeah, I actually outgolfed someone for real this time!
YES I ACTUALLY OUTGOLFED SOMEONE THIS TIME
wait no i didn't :(
ok I fixed it!
'TAKE THAT %s'%("dieter")
I think this is the actual first time I have the lowest score on python, for more than 2 minutes. 'TAKE THAT {}'.format("Python 2 scrubs")
 
7:20 AM
lol
 
geez, 'bout 7 minutes I've held the title! :)
(of shortest python program)
I owe it all to format(), format()s the real team player here
Sitting here, waiting for those best score in language upvotes :/
 
7:54 AM
Pretzel has three bytes for fibonacci-orial: ΠC.
 
Pretzel has one byte to print "ಠ_ಠ" to STDOUT:
 
0
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

LaikoniShow off your tree analysing toolbox As a programmer or computer scientist one might encounter quite a lot of trees - of course not the woody growing-in-the-wrong-direction kind, but the nice pure mathematical kind: *<- root (also a node) /|\<- edge * * *<- inner node | / \ * * *<- leaf (...

 
Hey
 
7:59 AM
i have 1100 rep \o/
 
\o/
 
Hi
 
Conor actually changed his name to ascii only
My God!
 
It's... the end of an era
 
8:05 AM
i have found it
yesterday, by Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
Iff this message reaches thirty stars, I will make my name ASCII-only.
 
@ReleasingHeliumNuclei that's UTF-8. Part of Pretzel is a special encoding. the "ಠ" command would be stored in one byte.
 
¯\(ツ)/¯
 
wat this name @betseg @ReleasingHeliumNuclei
 
@TùxCräftîñg when massive radioactive atoms decay, they release helium nuclei (alpha decay)
 
8:23 AM
so you are a radioative atom ಠ_ಠ
 
Nope i released them i am stable now xd
 
Has Beta Decay been in chat in ages?
 
halp geogebra dont have a while loop
 
@βετѧΛєҫαγ was here yesterday night
 
This is releasing electrons or positrons
 
8:25 AM
and dont allow recursion
 
@ReleasingHeliumNuclei Neat
@ReleasingHeliumNuclei Hence your name change?
 
@Sherlock9 i was looking for a nice nickname actually, n dis one iz nice
ill probably go back to betseg
 
well, I got outgolfed so I'm no longer the best score in language for this question. It was fun while it lasted I guess
I had an idea for a KotH
 
8:43 AM
KotH?
 
King Of The Hill
 
23 mins ago, by Releasing Helium Nuclei
@Cyoce oh
 
is ObjectiveC better than C++?
 
@HelkaHomba I thought they were distracting, but not really a huge deal.
 
- (void)eatWith:(NSString*)name andSpeakAbout:(NSString*)subject;
ok objective c is weird
 
8:51 AM
@TùxCräftîñg NextStep. NextStep is everywhere.
 
@TùxCräftîñg 4 em. 4 fcking em
 
Hello
 
♫ THERE'S SPAM IN MY CAN, SPAM IN MY CAN ♫
7
 
@NewMainPosts Please make that go away.
 
8:56 AM
in Charcoal HQ, 1 min ago, by SmokeDetector
[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in body: ready to use max-effect-cleanse correctly by user58198 on codegolf.stackexchange.com
someone know a good compiled to native code object-oriented language?
anyway i will never go to the dark side
so i will take C++
;_;
 
Any linguist / linguistics enthusiast here?
 
@LeakyNun exempt
 
no thanks
 
9:19 AM
@MartinEnder @Zgarb How to do truth-machine?
 
i am trying to configure vim to use 4 spaces but i cant :/
 
@Dennis Could you please pull Brachylog?
 
@Fatalize your room is almost frozen
 
has*
thanks for unfreezing it
I'm in vacation so I wasn't really active those last days
 
alright
 
$ cmake . -G "MinGW Makefiles"
CMake Error at C:/Program Files (x86)/CMake/share/cmake-3.5/Modules/CMakeMinGWFindMake.cmake:22 (message):
  sh.exe was found in your PATH, here:

  C:/Program Files/Git/usr/bin/sh.exe

  For MinGW make to work correctly sh.exe must NOT be in your path.

  Run cmake from a shell that does not have sh.exe in your PATH.


  If you want to use a UNIX shell, then use MSYS Makefiles.

Call Stack (most recent call first):
  CMakeLists.txt:2 (project)


CMake Error: CMAKE_C_COMPILER not set, after EnableLanguage
ಠ_____________ಠ
 
Just use Linux
 
brb switching to rust
 
16
Q: Print a 10 by 10 grid of asterisks

Leaky NunBackground This is a standard textbook example to demonstrate for loops. This is one of the first programs I learnt when I started learning programming ~10 years ago. Task You are to print this exact text: ********** ********** ********** ********** ********** ********** ********** *********...

+23/-7
saltvotes
 
9:45 AM
So I changed my profile picture
Whaddya think?
 
someone know a GUI llibrary in rust?
 
@MartinEnder nice, post it
 
later
 
ok
 
@TùxCräftîñg you do now
 
bullgard, it's a joke, right?
 

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