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12:04 AM
You can call me "PheNotyPe"
 
@PhiNotPi oic
 
phenotype
that one google search
 
Why does PostgreSQL have to be so friggin' hard to get started with?</whine>
 
@HelkaHomba One of my high school teachers liked to say "Who is my favorite band.".
 
12:12 AM
@HelkaHomba CCR hands down, no contest.
 
I really can't decide
 
Pink floyd, close second.
 
I don't think I know a song of any if them but The Who.
And that's only because of CSI.
 
Aren't the Beatles 60's? Or would they be 70's?
 
I prefer the SVU theme song
 
12:14 AM
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan I omitted them since I figured everyone would choose them
 
I guess that's fair.
 
I wouldn't be able to pick between LZ and beatles :/
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan They broke up in 70
@HelkaHomba Pink Floyd, ez
 
CCR makes me think of vacations with my family growing up. Along with, van Morrison, the Beatles, Billy Joel, Tom pretty, and John Mellencamp.
Oh, and Johnny cash.
 
Johnny Cash = good road trip music
 
12:21 AM
OK, I do know The Beatles.
 
You've never heard of Pink Floyd or the Rolling Stones?
 
or Led Zeppelin?
 
Of course I've heard of them, but I don't know which songs they play.
 
sounds like it's time for an emergency best of playlist
 
But I had honestly never heard of CCR. I found the full name on Google, but it didn't help.
 
12:32 AM
I knew of them, but not the acronym :/
 
Yeah, the acronym took me a little while to figure out also. I almost picked pink floyd because of it.
 
OK, went through the list of songs. I've never heard of nor heard a song of CCR.
 
You should listen to "bad moon rising". That's their best.
 
I doubt I'd appreciate it. Rock isn't really my cup of tea.
 
What music do you like?
 
12:38 AM
...for anyone (like me) who still doesn't know what CCR stands for: Creedence Clearwater Revival.
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

NonlinearFruitimage-processingcode-challenge Autonomous Vehicle I need a brain for my self-driving car. Something that will take still frames from the front-facing camera and give the navigation system commands. Obviously, if my car is driving me somewhere, I don't want to stop. However, I also don't want to...

 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan golfing music
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Hard to say. I guess most songs I like would fall under pop, which is a rather broad spectrum.
 
I prefer to explain the "already" in "do it already" as "why haven't you done that already", while some asserts that it means "right now" as in "do it right now".
 
After a bit of gooling, it turns out that I knew 4 or 5 songs from The Rolling Stones, just not that they were their songs.
 
12:43 AM
Question: if a pop music isnt popular is it still pop music?
 
@LeakyNun if it pops, yes
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I thought pop is a short form of popular
 
it is, I'm just messing around :P
 
@Dennis Chances are you kinda know the other bands too if you know Stairway to Heaven or Bad Moon Rising or Baba O'Riley
 
Don't ring a bell.
 
12:47 AM
Complete the lyric: I'm pickin' up ____ __________. She's giving me ___________.
@Dennis :|
 
@HelkaHomba I'm pickin' up "bad alcohol". She's giving me "alcohol"
alternatively, "good vibrations"
I do know some of the pseudo-beatles songs
 
That's Beach Boys..
 
yup.
pseudo beatles.
 
Beach Boys != Beatles. D: I'm going to go gently weep...
 
"Party in the USA" "Party in the USSR"
 
12:51 AM
Back in the USSR
 
I'm bad at names
I only know you guys' names because they're always next to your face >_>
 
Surfin' USA
 
49 secs ago, by Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
I'm bad at names
I'm more of a 90s guy anyhow :p
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Smells like teen spirit...
 
12:56 AM
I just don't get how VEVO managed to brand that song long after Kurt died
@PhiNotPi (and others) Name your favorite piece of orchestral music.
 
@HelkaHomba define classical?
 
I love the third movement of moonlight sonata. It's a shame how it gets ignored because of the first one.
I don't like the second one at all though.
 
-1
Q: Random character from a string

PeanutYour goal in this code-golf is to pick a random character from a string. If a character appears X times, and there are Y characters, then the chance of that character being picked will be X/Y. Input The program takes a string as an input. Output Your program outputs a character. Examples x...

 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ er, orchestral. Modern is fine
 
Oh. Lame. I don't know anything about orchestral. I have a lot more opinions about classical.
 
I am making a bit construction system based off of technologic lyrics
change it scroll it scroll it scroll it change it scroll it print it
surf it tune it check it turn it change it scroll it change it scroll it print it
break it surf it surf it surf it scroll it burn it turn it change it scroll it print it print it
scroll it scroll it change it turn it change it turn it print it
"Hello"
 
1:15 AM
5-answer streak completed
my life is now complete
 
1:31 AM
Chat mini-challenge: Find a Linux distro that can be run with 32kB of RAM.
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

daHugLennycode-golf string Move platforms! The Challenge Given either a string, multiline string, or a two dimensional array, and a positive integer n, output the position of the platforms n turns after the initial position. U, D, R, L are platforms. ^, v, >, < are arrows that change the directio...

 
@LeakyNun I can't quite put my finger on it, but I think there's something wrong or dishonest with what you did. I mean, really, five answers in golfing languages, three of which are 1-byte built-ins. It's like you just want to win and don't really care about anything else.
 
@El'endiaStarman eh, wut?
 
It's like you're just taking the cheap and easy way out.
 
What should I do instead?
 
1:37 AM
Post one answer and let others get the other ones? Not answer the question?
 
I see
 
I may be the only one that feels this way.
 
@El'endiaStarman Should I post one with java?
 
Hello
 
@LeakyNun Sure, and post one in C# too. And maybe Python and Ruby while you're at it. Just hog all the answers.
 
1:46 AM
I don't think there's something wrong with posting more than one answer to the same question.
That question really hits the sweet spot between impossible in some languages and boring in most of the others though...
 
Is a golfing language that converts the source input into a less terse program in a different language, then simply invokes tools that compile/run the translated program, an acceptable golfing language (assuming that otherwise it's valid, no standard loopholes, etc?)
 
@hexafraction yes, that's fine. It's almost what my language does (not quite)
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Thanks. I'd like to make a terser Verilog someday.
 
@El'endiaStarman You're not. I was thinking the same thing. I almost downvoted, but I'm not sure if it's worth it.
 
That's downvoting because of the poster instead of the post, which is never a good idea.
 
1:50 AM
True. I didn't though.
 
Uhh I don't know how to say this but...
I made a new language IDE
based off StackyLogic
 
I think you just did. :P
 
And it's kinda buggy
 
@Dennis Surely not; plenty of people have posted at least two answers to a challenge. Five out of six answers is pushing it though (and they're all trivial).
 
Can someone help?
 
1:51 AM
Well, the J answer doesn't seem to be trivial.
 
I don't have any problem with multiple answers from the same user, but when it's a challenge that isn't even worth answering, it kinda bugs me.
 
(And for what it's worth, I didn't downvote any answers, though I was tempted to.)
 
@LeakyNun do you permit the use of different languages within one submission? — Rohan Jhunjhunwala 4 hours ago
Any meta for this?
 
@DerpfacePython Oh?
 
@HelkaHomba Yeah.
I added some new things
New commands and such
To (try to?) make it semi-ish Turing Complete
 
1:58 AM
@Dennis I agree. As long as the answers are correct and everything there's no need to stifle the answerer's fun. If lots of trivial answers are possible the problem probably lies in the question.
 
So when I do it, it is hardcoding.
But when @Dennis does it, then it is alright.
 
@hexafraction Yes, that's what MATL/most JS-based ones/Brachylog do
 
@HelkaHomba Hence why I downvoted the question. But still, you have no problem with the same user posting 7 of 9 answers?
 
So... help with debugging my compiler for SL+?
 
2:13 AM
@DerpfacePython SL+?
 
Soo.... I'm trying to make a last second decision on whether to update my Windows 7 / linux dual-boot to Win 10 / linux.
 
It's a language inspired by StackyLogic
 
opinions?
 
But now it's better (and closer - if not already - Turing-Complete).
 
@PhiNotPi I did it, worked fine, just don't try to change the Windows boot partition
 
2:15 AM
okay
 
@PhiNotPi I'd go with win 10 unless you are paranoid about privacy.
 
@PhiNotPi idk about linux but Windows 10 is far better than 7 in my experience
 
I think 10 is fantastic compared to 7 but lots of people dislike the privacy settings.
 
I'll try to do some customization to fix the privacy thing. I'll try updating it.
 
I mean, I don't see much of a difference with 10 other than different graphics
 
2:17 AM
Sure the graphics are better, but it also feels faster, more keyboard shortcuts, virtual desktops, dx12
 
There are also UI improvements in Win 10.
 
Fun fact: I actually had more trouble with my Ubuntu 16.04 upgrade than my Win10 one (Microsoft did something correctly for once! :O)
 
Windows 10 is great. Except for being insanely pushy and trampling all over users' wishes.
5
 
But then again, I barely ever use Win10, too lazy to reboot...
 
2:18 AM
But that doesn't happen too often. I don't care enough to really be annoyed by it.
 
Like <ctrl+bs> at the login screen. That irked me for years with 7.
 
^^
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan ?
 
Well.... an update might not happen if Microsoft's servers are acting up.
 
^, I hear that the free upgrade won't be available for much longer
 
<ctrl-bs> is supposed to be "delete to beginning of line" but stupid Microsoft thinks I want to insert an unprintable character into my password login screen.
That's my #1 favorite win 10 improvement.
 
2:22 AM
@El'endiaStarman No. I can see how it might be rude in a way to use up languages others wanted. But I wouldn't call it "spam" or anything if the answers are all unique and valid. Discouraging people from contributing to the site when they get excited about a challenge is also rude in a way.
Though, take what I say with a grain of salt since I'm not an experienced answerer
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan @Microsoft what a ctrl-BS thing to think! :P
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan Isn't Ctrl+Backspace "delete word"? Which would be the line on a password entry screen.
(You can do Ctrl+Backspace in SE chat at least, or that might be Chrome's doing.)
 
@El'endiaStarman actually, I'm not sure. I think it's line.
I'm really more of a vim guy myself, so I just prefer cc
 
You know, I've never really used keyboard shortcuts much for text editing
All I really use often is the standard cut, copy, paste, Alt-Tab, etc.
 
@LegionMammal978 7 and a half hours
 
2:36 AM
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan It's normally delete word
@LegionMammal978 I use those and select all/navigate to start/end of word/document
 
Yeah, I can never remember which buttons do which (4 buttons * 2 for Ctrl * 2 for Shift = 16 potential permutations to remember)
wat
 
ctrl+ left/right is navigate word, ctrl + home/end is navigate to start of document, shift if you want to select
@LegionMammal978 ?
 
I clicked on an image in Wikipedia and it logged me out ._.
 
@LeakyNun Since you pinged me about this (for whatever reason), I'll chip in. My answer takes advantage of the fact that the pattern of prime Wednesdays repeats every 28 years, not counting non-leap years that are a multiple of 4. While I would have to add some logic to extend the answer outside the range specified in the question, it could still use the same approach.
In contrast, your answer hardcoded 4 integers (which happen to be the only ones that can be represented by a double-precision float), and there is absolutely no way to extend this approach to arbitrarily large input.
 
^^ and ^
 
2:40 AM
@Dennis Exactly. "not counting non-leap years that are a multiple of 4".
 
So I went to a "wildlife and farm"-style theme park with the family today :3
They have goats
 
@LeakyNun That's what the ((y-22)/99-y/2002)*16 takes care of.
 
@Dennis alright.
Why is this a duplicate of this?
 
@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ whatever could you be talking about
 
@Quill no idea
 
2:45 AM
@LeakyNun Answers can be reused with little to no modification. (literally the definition of a dupe on this site)
 
@LegionMammal978 Define "little to no".
 
@LeakyNun Presumably because the nth to mth challenge is just up to nth-drop m.
 
@Dennis and sum
 
And the restriction that / * % may not be used... I really don't know where that comes from. It would be harder if we had to use those operators...
 
2:47 AM
So if I asked them to generate this sequence: oeis.org/A003266
It would be closed as duplicate?
Even if it is another sequence in oeis?
 
I would say no, since there are other ways to calculate the result than multiplying the involved Fibonacci numbers, but others may disagree.
Having an OEIS entry is completely irrelevant.
 
@Dennis eh
 
Well, say you have a Fibonacci function F. Then, the challenge is as simple as taking F (m + 2) - F (n + 1) - 2.
 
@LegionMammal978 what is n and m?
 
@LeakyNun The numbers from the linked question.
 
2:50 AM
@LegionMammal978 oh, I'm talking about oeis.org/A003266 now
 
disappears(!?!?) in a puff of HTML tags
 
@Dennis alright
 
@LegionMammal978 <blink>
 
@PhiNotPi CAN'T... STAND... </blink>
 
2:53 AM
@Dennis so... should i post?
 
I'd post it in the sandbox first to see what some of our code-golf-gold-badge users think. It only takes one of them to close the challenge.
 
Is the name "Pyramid" taken as a language?
 
@DerpfacePython There's the Pyramid Web Framework
 
@LegionMammal978 </marquee>
CMC: find shortest comma-separated list of numbers that yield no entry in OEIS. Tiebreaker is sum of the absolute values of the list.
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ STACK OVERFLOW EXCEPTION: HTML DEPTH AT 18,446,744,073,709,551,615: COLLECTING ERROR LOGS..........SHUTTING DOWN IN (5) MINUTES, PLEASE SAVE ALL WORK
 
3:02 AM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ That's easy if no entry means doesn't come up when you search
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Define shortest
 
^
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ One entry, absolute value 192837466: 192837466
 
absolute value: 479
 
I guess mine is technically shorter in list length
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Define shortest
 
3:08 AM
6 hours ago, by Helka Homba
@Optimizer Challenge idea: Draw random non-intersecting line path on blank image. In every step choose a random length from a to b and random angle from c to d respective to the last angle. Draw a black line with that length at that angle stemming from endpoint of last line (or origin if it is first). Exception is that if new line intersects with path, backtrack and retry with new randoms. Repeat until N segments are drawn.
 
@LegionMammal978 979441
 
@LegionMammal978 604950
@LegionMammal978 336910
@LegionMammal978 285672
 
@LeakyNun 275490
@LeakyNun -97934
I gtg now
 
@LegionMammal978 -64053
@LegionMammal978 -55993
@LegionMammal978 What is your algorithm?
 
3:19 AM
Shortest as in length. Its not a difficult concept...
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ length of the list? length of the string representation of the list?
 
@HelkaHomba That's what I'm using
 
Would anyone care to elaborate what exactly constitutes as a duplicate?
 
3:25 AM
Huzzah, I have my script working with PostgreSQL! Urgh...that took so much work...
 
@LeakyNun Urg. Rabbit hole
 
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Q: Fibonacci-orial

Leaky NunDefinition Fibonacci sequence F(n), on the positive integers, are defined as such: 1. F(1) = 1 2. F(2) = 1 3. F(n) = F(n-1) + F(n-2), where n is an integer and n > 2 The Fibonacci-orial of a positive integer is the product of [F(1), F(2), ..., F(n)]. Task Given positive integer n, find the ...

 
3:38 AM
D: just realized 1 result = sequence with n as sequence number
but: [20819](oeis.org/search?q=20819) is pretty low
 
@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ that's exactly why we put the negative sign
 
3:56 AM
Finally the livestream
 
@LeakyNun Changed to automatic search, should give the actual smallest positive value
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ For tiebreaker, does that mean a really large negative number would win?
 
@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ absolute.
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan What should I do?
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan that closes window
 
Alright, I've figured out how to run arbitrary SQL queries from a file through a user that cannot make any changes to the database!
Tomorrow: online user interface!
Now: bed! :P
 
4:12 AM
I've uploaded Pyramid to Github! Yay!
Is anyone on right now?
 
TIL 50 Billion hamsters would fit on the floor of the Gigafactory
 
What is the gigafactory?
 
@DerpfacePython Tesla's new battery making factory
it's supposed to be pretty big
 
Tesla's burgeoning battery factory. Its grand opening is happening right this moment
 
What?
 
4:16 AM
@LeakyNun @CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ 17843
 
Oh yeah, and also @HelkaHomba, you know how I was asking you about how I can make an IDE for SL, right?
I called it Pyramid, and it's on Github now.
 
Cool. Link?
 
It's kinda buggy though - might need help with the code.
 
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Q: C program for even sum

Krishnaveni EzhavaA number is even if it is divisible by 2, but in this case a number is even if the active bits (1s in its binary representation) of a given number are 2. So your task is to find the sum of first N even numbers. Input Format: First line of the input contains an integer T denoting the number of...

 
@DerpfacePython IDE? Does it have autocomplete? :P
 
4:24 AM
Nope, just a compiler right now.
That's precisely why I said I need help.
TBH, I'm still patching up the compiler.
 
how is A internally is B to check if A and B refer to same object?
or perhaps A really is B
 
@Downgoat reference comparison?
 
yeah
is 1 whatever 1 will return false but var a = 1; a whatever a will return true
 
@Downgoat what about A actually is B?
 
@LeakyNun that's good too
 
4:31 AM
@Downgoat just use JS' ===
 
@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ ew no :P
 
@Downgoat I mean for implementation
 
yeah
 
is/as should be same as C#
 
@LeakyNun idk it's up to you. In the future, avoid mixing mandatory features (run-time) with optional features. (Supporting gigantic integers)
 
4:34 AM
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan yes, thanks
 
@Downgoat That should be default equality check behavior btw
 
Feel free to ping me if you change the rules to where my answer is valid and I'll undelete.
Which you don't have to do
 
@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ you're saying 1 == 1 should return false????
@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ A is B checks if a is instanceof b
as will become alias of ::
 
@Downgoat no, neither of those have a reference
 
1 as String -> "1"
 
4:36 AM
I think generally challenges with gigantic integers always cause problems like this.
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan question: can i go to end of line in insert mode?
 
I suppose you could do <C-o>A
 
i just added:
imap <C-e> <C-o>$
to vimrc
 
That won't work without virtualedit.
Use A instead of $
 
virtualedit?
works for me?
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan difference?
 
4:43 AM
Oh you're right. Nvmd.
I thought <C-o>$ would put you one before the end
 
A same B
@Downgoat
Alternatively, have A isof B for instance checking and have A is B for equality
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ looks weird
 
Which? (On mobile rn)
 
A same B
maybe have a __ref__ property?
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ halp how golf:
    return LHS && RHS.WHICH_CLASS ? LHS === RHS.WHICH_CLASS : CheddarError.NO_OP_BEHAVIOR;
 
4:56 AM
use if
 
Why are you trying to golf production code
Besides, it's probably optimal
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ golfing as in reducing operations/complexity is always a good thing. Making one-char long var names and obfuscation is what yu don't want to do
 
A && B ? A === B : C
Has four operations
A && B && A === B || C
Should also work?
If not, then the current form is optimal
 
cheddar> 1 actually is 1
false
cheddar> var a = 1
cheddar> a actually is a
true
\o/ \o/ \o/
 
No offense but that's ugly af
 
5:03 AM
;_;
alternative suggestion?
 
A same A is not valid english :S
 
Anything but an operator composed of multiple words
 
too late what is A is already a thing
 
Tell me a -> a * 3 Is valid English :p
Oh heavens why
Too make the what is love joke
*to
 
5:07 AM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ :|
and to avoid word mashups
 
i don't think it's that bad
 
Just my two cents :p
 
you're not going to use actually is and what is very often.
They are more of reflection ops. not too important
 
What if I have a variable named what? And I want to see if it's an instance of something
 
5:09 AM
what is reserved
 
?
 
what is so bad anout that
 
Nothing objectively
I just think it looks weird/bad/alien
I'd much rather use whats than what is
 
5:12 AM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ :(
 
But if you want to avoid word mashups, that's fine
It's incredible that the parser supports them, anyhow .-.
What does the what is operator say
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ meaning?
 
returns the constructor
what is 1 -> Number
btw adjusted coverage testing so now you should start seeing green checkmarks next to commits again! \o/
 
Yay!
Btw let's take to cheddar room
 
5:16 AM
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Q: Computability of esolangs

Cole ComfortAre there any esoteric programming languages whose computability have not yet been well-classified? For instance, languages which are not yet known to be Turing-complete.

 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ good idea
 
5:56 AM
@NewMetaPosts ....wat?
 

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