The Nineteenth Byte

GamrCorps

06:06

Am I crazy, or are the two non-constant output bubblegum programs listed here the same?

Quill

Step 1: http://grapee.jp/en/67860 Step 2: Go to a deadmau5 concert. Step 3: ....?

Tweeted by munin on July 30, 2016 at 5:08 AM

Destructible Watermelon

@GamrCorps My cmd-f search says they are the same

I think it means it has different results based on input

GamrCorps

06:22

probably

Leaky Nun

@GamrCorps I've checked the unicode and they're exactly the same

so no crazy stuff like invisible space

GamrCorps

I guess I'm just not that fluent in python yet...

thanks for checking thoug

Leaky Nun

@GamrCorps the second one is just wilson's theorem

the branching is try except

presumably they throws an exception when there is more than one input

i.split() means split i according to spaces

then map(int, makes each part integer

@GamrCorps Are you with me?

then sum computes the sum

GamrCorps

OOHHH, I feel stupid now, yeah I see

Leaky Nun

from math import factorial as F means what it means

the # starts a comment

-~n is obfucksated n+1

@GamrCorps Are you with me?

GamrCorps

06:35

yep

Leaky Nun

So F(n)%-~n is the wilson theorem

GamrCorps

Cool, I see how it works now, thanks!

that's actually pretty neat

Maltysen

halpee how I strabraod on molibe?

Leaky Nun

@Maltysen I don't actually know how

tried many methods

(I frequently use mobile)

@GamrCorps welcome

Maltysen

@LeakyNun I would feature-request if I wasn't on dial-up and was able to open multiple tabs :/

Leaky Nun

06:43

@Maltysen who still uses dial-up?

Maltysen

People in india whose house I'm living in atm

Leaky Nun

@Maltysen eh, you're from india?

Maltysen

They actually had cable, but the installer guy connected multiple apartments to the same lone, so if more than a few people went on at once, it basically stopped working, so my uncle installed dsl, which is actually better.

Theoretical max speed is Slower, but much more stable

DerpfacePython

Hello!

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython hi

DerpfacePython

06:47

I made a compiler for a language based on SL.

aditsu

dsl is not dial-up

DerpfacePython

The language is called Pyramid - which is here: github.com/DerpfacePython/Pyramid

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython stackylogic?

DerpfacePython

Yeah.

Leaky Nun

So this doesn't shorten any SL programs, but just add new features?

DerpfacePython

06:49

Yeah.

Leaky Nun

What a pity

DerpfacePython

I can introduce loops, but that would take ages.

Leaky Nun

I was about to ask you to write a solution to my challenge

DerpfacePython

What challenge?

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython This

DerpfacePython

06:49

I can barely write "Hello, World!" in Pyramid.

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython oh, nice, post it in that challenge

that challenge is a catalog

DerpfacePython

Yeah.

I can't write it though.

Leaky Nun

This

DerpfacePython

I know how to, but it takes forever.

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython can you write "He"?

DerpfacePython

06:50

Uh, can you post the ASCII of each of the characters here?

aditsu

@Quill damn that's expensive

DerpfacePython

Yeah, I can write "He".

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython show it here

DerpfacePython

Hang on.

I probs need the ASCII for each char first.

Just so I don't have to look up an ASCII table every time.

@LeakyNun?

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython here

That's why I like golflangs

DerpfacePython

06:52

I need the ASCII values.

Leaky Nun

I can easily write useful things there

@DerpfacePython I thought you use binary

DerpfacePython

Yeah, I do.

Leaky Nun

Then you don't need the decimal values

DerpfacePython

Yeah.

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython Click "Run program!"

DerpfacePython

06:53

Oh.

Ah... didn't see that. Thanks!

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython Can you provide any example program?

DerpfacePython

I need to do some stuff first.

DerpfacePython

07:13

@LeakyNun Finished!

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython where?

DerpfacePython

I'm about to upload it.

It's 587 bytes long.

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython nice

@DerpfacePython have u uploaded it?

DerpfacePython

Yeah.

You should be able to see it.

Not bothered to post an explanation now...

Do you think Pyramid is a good name?

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython sure

@DerpfacePython ok

DerpfacePython

07:24

Yeah.

For which line?

Oh.

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython I think you should have 1</o instead of o/1< since it goes downward

DerpfacePython

For which line?

There are 250 lines in the code.

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython every stack

I'm saying, you should replace all o/1< with 1</o

DerpfacePython

The o has to be on the top of every stack.

That's how it was designed.

I can change it if you want.

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython oh, alright

DerpfacePython

07:28

That reminds me

I have to update the README to say that

@LeakyNun Do you think that there's any other solution larger than 587 bytes?

Nope, don't worry.

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython Yes

DerpfacePython

@LeakyNun Uhhh... can you debug the interpreter for me? If you have time, that is.

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython what is the problem?

DerpfacePython

07:43

I'll post an issue on the GH page.

Issue is posted.

TùxCräftîñg

08:00

H3110

DerpfacePython

0.7734

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython no custom file name?

DerpfacePython

Not yet.

This thing is still in its baby stages.

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython You should state that we need to install colorama

by doing python -m pip install colorama

DerpfacePython

Yeah, gotcha.

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

08:04

help, does anyone know what this is?

Leaky Nun

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ for example, the third item is 9

because 9 divides 123456789_25

21 is in the sequence because 21 divides 123456789ABCDEFGHIJKL_25

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

oh, ok

TùxCräftîñg

> Pyramid is a stack-based language, which was built on Stackylogic.

ಠ_ಠ

Leaky Nun

mind you, most significant digit on right

TùxCräftîñg

anyway upvote because this code is monstruous ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

08:06

after Z is 1, not 10, right?

DerpfacePython

Hahahah.

Leaky Nun

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ yes

"all least significant zeros are removed before concatenation"

DerpfacePython

@TùxCräftîñg Why the ಠ_ಠ?

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

how do people even do that quickly ;_;

probably best to somehow use a recursive solution in PyPy

TùxCräftîñg

@DerpfacePython YASV (Yet Another Stackylogic Variant)

DerpfacePython

08:08

@TùxCräftîñg How many are there?

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

:31382960 wat

TùxCräftîñg

for now 2 AFAIK (Eseljik and Pyramid)

Leaky Nun

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ I don't think they have a quick algorithm

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@LeakyNun I mean how did anyone get to 10m

Leaky Nun

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ Testing one by one shouldn't be hard

Can be done in linear time in terms of n

DerpfacePython

08:09

@TùxCräftîñg Oh my.

Leaky Nun

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ the key is to apply mod in the process instead of after you generate the whole number

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@LeakyNun right

Leaky Nun

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ just like modpow

are you doing it or what

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@LeakyNun idk, was bored, looked up this

but there are a lot of those so it'd probably be useful

Leaky Nun

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ lol, I completed a bunch of those before

by "complete" I really mean "generate enough to be untagged"

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

08:13

@LeakyNun the same type of problem?

Leaky Nun

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ not this

DerpfacePython

@TùxCräftîñg Well, I'm at least further ahead of Destructible right now, so I feel good.

Leaky Nun

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ this type

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@LeakyNun nice, that's quite a lot of terms

pretty recent as well

Leaky Nun

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ that page has a link to more sequences with the same type

I populated most of those

TùxCräftîñg

08:23

i want to ask a "How to score cellular automatons?" on ppcg meta but i dont know how to write it :/

Leaky Nun

> automatons

TùxCräftîñg

mathworld.wolfram.com/CellularAutomaton.html

sry even mathworld say it's automaton

Leaky Nun

@TùxCräftîñg but not automatons

TùxCräftîñg

ah :/

so what is the plural form?

Leaky Nun

@TùxCräftîñg Viens donc, "automata" est le pluriel de "automaton"

TùxCräftîñg

08:25

TIL

Leaky Nun

@TùxCräftîñg vdsvp

TùxCräftîñg

⁇

Leaky Nun

@TùxCräftîñg come on, please

TùxCräftîñg

k

Leaky Nun

08:37

@DerpfacePython Are you still here?

DerpfacePython

Yeah

What?

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython Can o be on the same line as other commands?

I'm fixing your bug

DerpfacePython

No

Leaky Nun

Ok, thanks

DerpfacePython

It's kinda like use strict in Javascript

it's just there

Leaky Nun

08:38

@DerpfacePython ok

@DerpfacePython same with a and r?

DerpfacePython

Yeah.

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython ok thanks

DerpfacePython

r can be with o and a.

You can have something or in the first line

or ar

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython ok thanks

DerpfacePython

But not oa

Leaky Nun

08:53

@DerpfacePython What's your timezone?

Just to have an idea of your time

TùxCräftîñg

\o/

golly work with python \o/

Leaky Nun

@TùxCräftîñg koué?

zyabin101

Hello

TùxCräftîñg

hello

@zyabin101 python scripts on golly now work \o/

zyabin101

@TùxCräftîñg \o/

TùxCräftîñg

09:04

so now i am apgsearching on the RTRFTD

DerpfacePython

I'm in Australia, so GMT+10.

@LeakyNun

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython nice

DerpfacePython

What about you?

Leaky Nun

GMT+8

DerpfacePython

Ah.

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

09:08

@DerpfacePython What state?

zyabin101

@DerpfacePython Added to time zone census.

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython What is 0</-/o/0< supposed to output?

I'm basically rewriting your output part

if you don't mind

Sherlock9

@LeakyNun What's the French, s'il vous plait?

Leaky Nun

@Sherlock9 scroll up

Sherlock9

Right

But what is "vd" in "vdsvp"?

Leaky Nun

09:13

@Sherlock9 scroll up

TùxCräftîñg

@Sherlock9 Viens donc

Sherlock9

Thank you

In general, if the generic and generally unhelpful direction, e.g. "scroll up", "Google it", isn't working, don't repeat it and just say the direct answer :P

Leaky Nun

@Sherlock9 scroll up

Sherlock9

t(^u^t

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython What is 0</-/o/0< supposed to output?

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

09:17

@LeakyNun help? How would I deal with least significant digit on right? (I can't exactly use while-mod)

Leaky Nun

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ why not?

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

least significant on the right means 627 -> 201_25

Leaky Nun

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ then?

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ I thought 2 is the least significant digit

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

Yeah

Leaky Nun

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ then it is on left now?

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

09:20

oh my bad

Leaky Nun

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ why you can't use while-mod?

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

s/least/most/

DerpfacePython

@LeakyNun It's meant to output 00.

Leaky Nun

@DerpfacePython Is it different without the o?

DerpfacePython

It's kinda different.

On the output, if there is no a, then it isn't different.

Leaky Nun

09:21

@DerpfacePython ok noted

DerpfacePython

If there is an a, however, then it's different.

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@LeakyNun my bad, most significant is on right

Leaky Nun

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ and then?

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

idk, it probably just means it's gonna be really annoying since i'll need to store some pretty big numbers, so it's way easier to just use python

Leaky Nun

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ how big?

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

09:26

Well, it's been tested up to 1e7, so the minimum is 1e7, and then the mod will be at most 1e7, so around 1e14 at most

Leaky Nun

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ I think int can handle it.

Or long

no need for python

@TùxCräftîñg By the way, this

TùxCräftîñg

@LeakyNun FF: By the way is the subject of a 'related' question

Leaky Nun

@TùxCräftîñg FF = Fun fact?

TùxCräftîñg

yes

Leaky Nun

Oh, lol

flawr

09:39

@El'endiaStarman What kind of database?

zyabin101

To whoever is french here: I created

Le Dix-Neuvième Byte

Discussion générale pour codegolf.stackexchange.com en français

2 days ago, by flawr

requête-de-fonctionnalité le dix-neuvième byte en français

Wish granted. :D

DerpfacePython

Why is this place called the Nineteenth byte?

What's wrong with the Eighteenth?

or the Seventeenth?

That's numberist, guys.

Not cool.

flawr

@DerpfacePython this is why

DerpfacePython

Ah. Well, that's awfully vague (for me).

Maybe I'm too young.

flawr

@DerpfacePython I can't say. It depends on your age.

DerpfacePython

09:54

How old is the "understanding the title of the room" threshold?

flawr

How old are you?

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@DerpfacePython At most 15 probably?

DerpfacePython

I'm just below 15.

Crap.

:(

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@DerpfacePython but seriously what part do you not understand?

DerpfacePython

I don't know.

flawr

09:58

@DerpfacePython Let's make it 17, a nice prime.

DerpfacePython

I just haven't heard of the part "nineteenth hole" as "bar".

I know about it in golf but

OHHHHH

AH

flawr

=)

DerpfacePython

Dammit I am so stupid.

3

TùxCräftîñg

and The Nineteenth Byte is exactly 19 bytes long

DerpfacePython

Wait what??? That's cool.

flawr

09:59

@TùxCräftîñg *depending on the encoding you're using

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@TùxCräftîñg In most standard Western encodings

Leaky Nun

@flawr quoi?

TùxCräftîñg

@flawr 19 8-bit ASCII bytes

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

I'm using UTF-8, still 19 bytes, most people use Windows-1252 for browser display

TùxCräftîñg

or UTF-8

LegionMammal978

10:27

^ from Jimmy Wales' user talk page

Leaky Nun

@LegionMammal978 because ~~brain~~ fuck logic

LegionMammal978

@LeakyNun sigh just use a hair space (U+200A)

Leaky Nun

@LegionMammal978 tried U+200B

automatically removed

LegionMammal978

It's what I do if Markdown is uncooperative

@LeakyNun U+200B is zero-width space, that is removed; see U+200A

Leaky Nun

@LegionMammal978 nice

LegionMammal978

10:30

yw

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

TIL that's how to do bold and/or italics and/or strikethrough with no space

what do normal people do in their spare time? i have nothing to do ;_;

Leaky Nun

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ post a challenge

TùxCräftîñg

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ apgsearch ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@LeakyNun It's almost impossible for me to think of a good challenge

@TùxCräftîñg bad idea, I'm actually doing nothing during apgsearch

Leaky Nun

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ even the word "impossible" spells "i'm possible"

4

TùxCräftîñg

10:38

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ ;_;

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ try to manually discover patterns in GOL?

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@TùxCräftîñg No way

The only people who do that are CA experts

TùxCräftîñg

implement unimplemented esolangs?

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@TùxCräftîñg Don't feel like it, they're all so similar yet so different

TùxCräftîñg

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ solve some project euler challenges?

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@TùxCräftîñg No, for the first ~146 I'm too tempted to cheat, all others are impossible for me

TùxCräftîñg

10:42

plot random things?

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ gollify some cat's eye CAs?

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@TùxCräftîñg cat's eye?

TùxCräftîñg

@MᴀʀsUʟᴛᴏʀ y u dont know cat's eye technology ಠ_ಠ

catseye.tc/node/Cellular_automaton

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@TùxCräftîñg no, don't really feel like doing things with CA

TùxCräftîñg

k

solve a code-golf challenge?

or create a function for a random oeis?

New Main Posts

0

Q: QUIZ: Calculate number of days combinations

I would like to calculate the number of different types of days i can have that equal my set value. For example, if someone has 30 days annual leave as part of there employment i would like to calculate what different sorts of holiday they could take. An example would be: 5, 10, 5, 2, 2, 1,...

python c#

Leaky Nun

10:55

@DerpfacePython Fixed.

TùxCräftîñg

@NewMainPosts ಠ_ಠಠ_ಠಠ_ಠಠ_ಠ

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@TùxCräftîñg I'm too bad at golfing

TùxCräftîñg

10 mins ago, by TùxCräftîñg

or create a function for a random oeis?

Martin Ender

@LeakyNun did you overlook the fact that the challenge you just answered isn't code golf? (or anything at all, really)

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@TùxCräftîñg No, I can't write well enough for it to actually be fast

DerpfacePython

11:10

@LeakyNun Whoa. Thanks! What do the symbols << and | mean though?

In Python.

Mᴀʀs Uʟᴛᴏʀ

@DerpfacePython bitshift, non-shortcircuit or

DerpfacePython

Ah.

Martin Ender

> The other thing that every programmer should know about programming languages is that it's very important to choose the right programming language for every software project. That's why you'll always choose C++ no matter what the software project is.

(found on cat's eye)

TùxCräftîñg

ಠ_ಠ

Luis Mendo

:-)

TùxCräftîñg

11:21

C is better

because low-level ftw

zyabin101

@MartinEnder Source? :3

Martin Ender

also because it's just better

@zyabin101 catseye.tc/node/Programming_Language last paragraph

Luis Mendo

@Dennis Please pull MATL whenever you can

TùxCräftîñg

> No, C++ is popular because C++ is popular. Hey, Google is a big, successful company, and I hear they use C++... it must be why they're successful! You should use C++ too!

ಠ_ಠ

C++ is bad because casting

mınxomaτ

no

TùxCräftîñg

11:24

so casting a void* (returned by malloc for example) to a int* everytime you do this is good?

i am not against type-safety, but pointers are the same datatype...

miek.nl/downloads/2010/c++-talk.pdf

heh

zyabin101

207/300. Ohh...

TùxCräftîñg

?

zyabin101

11:45

I have 207 votes on file for +civic-duty.

No one wants to try the nested programs Loop in the End challenge... ;(

flawr

AtlasCollapse

►

plane-crash rocket-crash It collapsed due to pressure loss in the tanks, as it did not have a rigid structure but relied on the pressure within the tanks for structural stability.

TùxCräftîñg

@flawr genius design 0.99/1.0

TùxCräftîñg

12:32

tuxcrafting.github.io/neoscript

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Leaky Nun

@MartinEnder Scheinbar ja

Should I write a language called "apparently"?

TùxCräftîñg

12:56

seriously? actually yes.

Leaky Nun

@TùxCräftîñg mdr

Le Dix-Neuvième Byte

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