The Nineteenth Byte - 2016-03-29 (page 3 of 6)

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3:00 AM

why not arbitrary bases between 0 and 36?

true...

but IMO

but what characters would I use?

to save programmers from errors

only binary, decimal and hex IMO

octal can be ok

@Downgoat b1 to bz?

3:00 AM

but not anything else

@MarsUltor nah

1001111_b2

I have a literal for each base. So binary is 0b<binary number> 0t<trinary number>

@Downgoat for the love of god btw

Ternary isn't very useful usually

0777 don't make that octal

octal is 0o777 or not at all

octal is 0o777

3:02 AM

but it's usually 0777

@MarsUltor which is total garbage

really?

and should not be copied into newly designed languages

how is 1001111b2 bad/hard to read?

yes

binary should be the first thing

3:02 AM

@Downgoat Yeah, but I agree it is total garbage

ok

@Downgoat By the way, s/trinary/ternary

So I'll just add binary, ternary, octal, and hexadecimal then

I think the only literals you need are binary octal decimal and hex

0[1-9a-z][0-9a-z]+ looks better in my opinion, 0532 + 0513 = 05100 (check my math pls)

3:04 AM

@Downgoat 0b, 0o, and 0x

I cannot think of a usecase for ternary

ok then, I won't add ternary

Is this for a golfing language?

no

@quartata What about balanced ternary?

3:04 AM

0c would look better for octal

It's for this

speak := => What is the => doing?

@phase Returns probably

@phase := is assignment => is function

@Downgoat => = lambda?

3:05 AM

yes

-> is a lambda too

:= = Backus-Naur style assignment

@MarsUltor balanced ternary would be cool maybe

Why not have implicit lambda assignment?

@phase -> is lambda with arguments => is lambda without arguments

oh

@phase ?

3:08 AM

p6 has a nice thing where you can use a symbol to denote a placeholder var, and they become the arguments of a lambda in lexical order

{ $^c + $^a * $^b } takes arguments $a, $b, $c

@phase speak => DoSomething() and speak foo bar -> DoSomething(foo, bar)?

oh

@MarsUltor that is brilliant

When you have an identifier with a => or -> after it, why not automatically assign it? The assignment operator is just a waist of characters.

Or speak Int:foo, String:bar -> DoSomething(foo, bar)?

I don't know how hard that will be to parse

3:09 AM

@Downgoat IDK, I can help if you want

name is first word, args are words before ->

@Downgoat Just group identifiers up, and check ident (ident)* (=-)> ...

so basically something like function.split('->').split(' ') or something, arr[0][0] is name, arr[0].slice(1) is args, arr[1] is body

hm :/ I will have to see how to handle that with unary ops and all

I'll try

Chris Jester-Young

What's with all this manual splitting? I thought you're using a lexer+parser-generator. :-P

@Downgoat Wait, you'll be able to declare unary ops?

3:12 AM

^^

@MarsUltor yes

Is the language interpreted or compiled? And if the latter, to what?

@Downgoat won't that be a modifier keyword? unary foo bar => DoSomething(bar)

@phase Interpreted in JS

@MarsUltor what do you mean?

Yeah what kind of crazy person parses with splits

3:13 AM

@LockOpeners It was just an example :(

You're crazy Mars

Crazy I say

@Downgoat Like public static in C#/Java, unary should be a modifier (so parser sees it and knows it's not the function name)

then parser ensures it takes in one argument and adds it as a unary function

so you'd be doing unary sqrt 4?

I'd rather just do a check when interpreting

no, to define them

@Downgoat no, unary is just in function declaration

3:16 AM

I think I can just avoid it all together, by just reserving some keywords.

same as infix + left right => add(left, right) (or binary instead of infix)

Yeah, unary and infix are meant to be keywords

oh, so when defining an operator?

Yes

ohhh

okay

Wait

not unary

prefix and postfix

3:17 AM

okay

@quartata when did you explain why you dropped out? was it for the reasons xnor was complaining about?

so you can declare i++ and ++i

well

graph generation works

Click here

warning: large

^ understatement

Chris Jester-Young

@Doorknob Warning: secretly a busy beaver.

3:27 AM

@orlp large understatement. can you replace so it doesn't make all out browsers lag?

@orlp Just having it visible is making my browser lag

@AlexA. Get Firefox

I have it. I just don't use it.

that's a big image

Hooray, I can scroll again!

3:29 AM

lol

Chris Jester-Young

@AlexA. There, I just elevened the image out-of-line.

\o/

@ChrisJester-Young +11

じゅういち

translate en: じゅういち

(from Japanese) Eleven

3:30 AM

oh thanks

I was gonna ask for a translation

십일

translate: 십일

(from Korean) 10 days

Chris Jester-Young

translate: 十一

(from zh-CHS) Eleven

@AlexA. ... what

Chris Jester-Young

@AlexA. Fail.

3:31 AM

is there a magical translation thing you're all using

I'll try the other form

translate en: 열하나

(from Korean) Column one

@LockOpeners Mod superpowers

@Doorknob ...

wow

@LockOpeners It is indeed magical

Well

The fact that it exists is magical

3:31 AM

It's bing, Google Translate >> Bing Translate

But it's using Bing under the hood, so the translations are garbage

lol

I wonder why SE doesn't use Google Translate

I think google makes you pay

Chris Jester-Young

That would be because using Bing Translate is free, and Google Translate is not. That would be my personal reasoning, anyway.

Jinx!

3:32 AM

Bing probably integrates well with the rest of the Microsoft stuff they use

allright

I solved the large problem

> Bang Translate

@orlp Now is it a small problem?

user image

happy now?

Chris Jester-Young

@Downgoat Thanks!

3:33 AM

@orlp oh god

> goid

lol

El'endia Starman

@orlp :O ...... what a terrible visualization. :P

@ChrisJester-Young じゅういちをありがとうございました。

El'endia Starman

I was expecting something....y'know..... treelike. :P

3:35 AM

@El'endiaStarman Is this not what trees look like? Maybe I should go outside.

Chris Jester-Young

@AlexA. Done.

juuichiwoarigatogozaimasu

@ChrisJester-Young ?

El'endia Starman

@AlexA. ....where do you live that you don't live in trees?!

Chris Jester-Young

@AlexA. I thought you asked for the other image to be elevened too. I clearly misinterpreted.

3:36 AM

@El'endiaStarman Haha I live in the woods, actually.

@El'endiaStarman He got stuck in one the other day, remember? I think he's in denial that they exist now.

@Doorknob but that tree wasn't in the woods

@ChrisJester-Young Oh, haha, no. Requesting would have ください in it

Chris Jester-Young

@AlexA. Okay, I'll twelve it then.

Twelve

Chris Jester-Young

3:37 AM

;-)

translate: じゅういちをありがとうございました。

(from Japanese) Thank you for the rest.

Um nope

El'endia Starman

@orlp Oh. Oh my.

じゅういちをありがとうございました。== Thank you for the eleven

s/su/shita/

mi ckire do lo nu me li papa co'e

Chris Jester-Young

3:40 AM

@aditsu I'm sure Alex did have shita instead of su.

yes, I was correcting myself

Chris Jester-Young

Ah.

@aditsu ಠ_ಠ get an IME

我有咗

Chris Jester-Young

@aditsu Nice Cantonese. :-D

3:43 AM

多謝：）

@aditsu I did have shita. した <-- right there

Chris Jester-Young

(I know you do/did live in Hong Kong. I was born in Hong Kong, and speak Cantonese. :-P)

(Are you fluent?)

@ChrisJester-Young I'm still a noob but trying to learn

Chris Jester-Young

@aditsu 唔使客氣

3:44 AM

> yes, I was correcting myself

translate: 唔使客氣

(from zh-CHT) And do not hesitate

Chris Jester-Young

@AlexA. Fluent enough to talk to my parents. But I wouldn't call it professional level.

what about a reasonably sized pretty graph?

El'endia Starman

I know nothing in any of these languages. :P

user image

Chris Jester-Young

3:44 AM

@AlexA. cantonese.sheik.co.uk/dictionary/words/2119

El'endia Starman

Except English.

@aditsu o i c o k

El'endia Starman

@orlp Ooooh, that's perfectly sized.

has chat too small to read the 汉字

get a big chat

3:46 AM

@AlexA. Then I won't be able to see the entire starboard

1 min ago, by Alex A.

@aditsu o i c o k

@El'endiaStarman the code to generate that is dead simple btw

@AlexA. haha fail

it pretty much means "you're welcome" or "no worries"

Chris Jester-Young

@AlexA. 唔使客氣 is the standard response to 多謝, 唔該, etc.

@aditsu Right, though it literally means "no need to be polite". :-)

yeah

3:49 AM

@El'endiaStarman gist.githubusercontent.com/orlp/90646c53320d847095fe/raw/…

google translate doesn't know Cantonese either

Chris Jester-Young

@aditsu Yeah, Cantonese is kind of a complicated language. :-)

Is Cantonese a tonal language?

@aditsu It knows Chinese

Chris Jester-Young

@AlexA. Yes, it has 6 tones instead of 4 for Mandarin.

3:49 AM

I don't know that I've heard it spoken

Same writing

El'endia Starman

@orlp Wow, nice.

Chris Jester-Young

@MarsUltor There are many Cantonese-specific characters.

All Chinese dialects are tonal

@ChrisJester-Young Brutal. There are 5 for Thai. Six is nuts.

Chris Jester-Young

3:50 AM

that you'll never find in Mandarin text.

@AlexA. have you seen any Jackie Chan movies? :p

@ChrisJester-Young Well, it's similar enough for Google to not prioritize it

@aditsu All dubbed in English :P

ah, dubbing sucks

Chris Jester-Young

@MarsUltor Tell Google to translate 唔該. :-)

That's a strictly Cantonese-only phrase.

3:51 AM

has only seen the Jackie Chan movies in which he speaks English

@ChrisJester-Young I know. In Simplified Mandarin it's 不用客气 IIRC

Chris Jester-Young

@MarsUltor Or, 冚唪唥.

the same English phrase often translates differently in Cantonese and Mandarin; standard written Chinese is based on Mandarin but you can write Cantonese too (and it's different)

Chris Jester-Young

@MarsUltor Right, that's pretty close. Whereas you'd be hard-pressed to find a near-translation for 冚唪唥 in Mandarin. :-)

@QPaysTaxes Yes

@ChrisJester-Young Yeah, I saw the dictionary page

> written Chinese: 全部, 一共, 總共, 通通, 統統

Chris Jester-Young

@QPaysTaxes There are Cantonese pronunciation for standard Chinese characters, but there are also Cantonese-specific characters.

3:57 AM

@QPaysTaxes yes and no, Cantonese speakers usually write in standard Chinese, but it's not a direct correspondence between speech and writing

@QPaysTaxes Same as Japanese, just Japanese is more different than Cantonese

Chris Jester-Young

@QPaysTaxes Kind of.

@aditsu zh-yue.wikipedia.org has Cantonese-specific articles, that use Cantonese instead of standard Chinese. :-P

El'endia Starman

@QPaysTaxes So far.

@QPaysTaxes cool :)

@QPaysTaxes we suck rocks?

3:59 AM

@Downgoat Do you plan on haivng a c9 workspace for Cheddar?

@MarsUltor I haven't looked into C9, what is it?

Chris Jester-Young

@Downgoat Cloud IDE.

c9.io

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