The Nineteenth Byte

flawr

17:02

Should I have some more chocolate?

quartata

what kind of dumb question is that

Kritixi Lithos

Yes

flawr

The votes speak for themselves.

So I guess I'm gonna get some more chocolate.

Kritixi Lithos

I already took my share of chocolate

flawr

CMS: What is your favourite chocolate?

Kritixi Lithos

17:08

Milk, 4 bytes

arda

All, 3 bytes

Luis Mendo

@flawr Lindt, dark, 70%

Yum

Adnan

@flawr Dark chocolate, combined with some kind of orange marmalade

Kritixi Lithos

@arda ... and we have a winner arda at 3 bytes!

flawr

@LuisMendo I'm not a big fan of dark chocolate.

Sp3000

17:18

Δ, two bytes

flawr

@Adnan And dark chocolate combined with orange flavour less than ever.

DrMcMoylex

All are pretty good, but I really like white chocolate

arda

@DrMcMoylex I love white chocolate.

And dark chocolate. And milk chocolate. All chocolates are amazing and deserve love.

flawr

Mine is probably this one:

And everything with almonds.

Kritixi Lithos

I like milk chocolate and anything with hazelnuts (Nutella, Rocher, Ritter Sport, ...)

flawr

17:21

@KritixiLithos I feel like we should switch from bytes to bites :)

Sp3000

^^ I was going to say s/almonds/hazelnut/

Kritixi Lithos

ninja'd

flawr

I learned that (at least in oregon) people say filberts instead of hazelnuts, is this only an oregonian thing?

Kritixi Lithos

@flawr Ferro rocher, 1 bite

flawr

Looks delicious, never had them so far.

Sp3000

17:23

Ferreros in one bite? D: you need to savour them more

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Q: what do we mean by "The intention is that each answer shall contain one and only one loophole"

I want to know briefly about this statement "The intention is that each answer shall contain one and only one loophole"

Kritixi Lithos

1 bite when golfing, 4 bites when savouring :)

flawr

If you're ever gonna visit Salzburg, you have to try the different Mozartkugeln of every bakery you can find!!!

The ones from Kaffee Fürst are the best IMHO, but all of them are delicious AF.

Sp3000

If you're going to golf, just go with MM (2 bytes, 1 bite) :P

Kritixi Lithos

@flawr They are like a mini-Earth, the rocky crust on the outside, the mantle under't, the liquidy chocolate outer core, and finally, the hazelnut inner core, the centrepiece of this piece of art

Sp3000

17:25

(but of course, nobody in their right mind would claim that's their favourite)

Kritixi Lithos

@Sp3000 0.5 bites if you take 2 in 1 bite :P

Sp3000

If you're going by that, it should be more like 0.1-0.2 by the rate I eat them

quartata

@flawr Dark 85%

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ @everyone @EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ's last name is Irk :P

flawr

@quartata I hope you're not talking about the Stroh Rum.

quartata

17:30

No, why would I be talking about rum?

We're talking about chocolate

flawr

You can combine those things:)

mınxomaτ

^

quartata

Well I wouldn't be one to do that :P

Feel free to ruin your chocolate though

flawr

There is a local speciality where I grew up:

"Kirschstängeli"

mınxomaτ

That's an unfortunate picture

flawr

17:34

But that is what they look like

quartata

So what exactly is it? Like some kind of wafer coated in cocoa powder and with something inside?

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Q: What are 40 operators better for resolves problem in less characters?

What are 40 operators and function more important or more used in a [golf] language? (or in language used for codegolf answers)

discussion code-golf

Luis Mendo

@Dennis Now that the showcase question is on hold, is there anything answerers can do if they find a bug in their answer? It happened to me only two days ago, and I had to correct the code

quartata

I'm not sure what the inside is. Could be caramel?

@LuisMendo Wait, what?

Luis Mendo

Yes :-(

flawr

17:35

@quartata It is just chocolate with Kirsch (cherry liquor) inside.

quartata

But that wasn't consensus

Dennis

@LuisMendo Unless they involve a moderator, no.

quartata

@flawr Oh, huh. The outside looked kind of funny so I wasn't sure if it was solid chocolate or something else

Luis Mendo

@Dennis Another potential problem is changes in the language. I'd like to keep the snippets updated if I ever introduce a change that breaks them

flawr

Couln't you just unlock them?

Isn't the on-hold enough?

quartata

17:38

@Dennis > the majority of the community seems to agree – as do we moderators – that it is too broad for our scope.

I mean, I can understand where you're coming from but your answer is at score 9

That isn't an overwhelming majority I would say

(especially considering the answers above it are at 23 and 13)

BlueEyedBeast

@Dennis could you add the relevant meta discussion to the lock thing?

quartata

To be honest though, I don't think we should take into account any voting on that question considering how heavily downvoted the actual question was in the first place. I doubt that a good sample of people got to see it

DrMcMoylex

^^

Dennis

@quartata The 23 answer doesn't actually suggest a course of action. Yes, there are some problems with locking the showcase, but the solution is finding a better format for it. Everything else is just band-aids.

@BlueEyedBeast Lock reasons aren't editable.

DrMcMoylex

A comment?

Luis Mendo

17:42

^

quartata

@Dennis Band-aids for what?

Dennis

The question has 34 comments. Nobody would see it.

BlueEyedBeast

or edit the question at the bottom?

Dennis

@quartata For the problems I mentioned in my first answer.

Kritixi Lithos

Suggestion: showcase should migrate to meta

BlueEyedBeast

17:45

@KritixiLithos that's not what meta's for

Dennis

It's even more off topic on meta.

quartata

Also people won't see it and you don't get rep for anything on meta.

Fatalize

The only thing locking this challenge does: satisfy the few people that can't sleep at night if a challenge is slightly off-scope

Kritixi Lithos

Just a suggestion

BlueEyedBeast

and chat's the only other format in SE. And that wouldn't work at all

Dennis

17:47

There are other places on the internet. No part of SE is meant for wikis/list questions.

quartata

But we're not like any other site on SE.

Just look at tips questions

Fatalize

That's also blatantly flase

e.g. this:

quartata

That would definitely qualify as a wiki/list question

Fatalize

2883

A: The Definitive C++ Book Guide and List

Beginner Introductory, no previous programming experience Programming: Principles and Practice Using C++ (Bjarne Stroustrup) (updated for C++11/C++14) An introduction to programming using C++ by the creator of the language. A good read, that assumes no previous programming experience, but is n...

only locked to avoid spam/noise

Dennis

Yes, I mentioned that in my answer.

quartata

17:49

Just because we don't have a consensus yet doesn't mean that the answer that a good 40% of a very small sample don't like should be implemented

That made more sense in my head...?

Anyways. It's very obviously controversial and considering there are far higher scoring answers it just strikes me as a very sweeping action

Dennis

@quartata I'm not talking about scope. The showcase deserves a format where there's one page per language, integration with an online interpreter, entries everyone (independent of upvotes, rep, etc.) can contribute to...

quartata

@Dennis But two years have demonstrated that none of these things are needed for people to enjoy showcases

And there's absolutely no way such an alternative would ever attract as much attention

11

All we're doing is punishing people who put effort into their showcases. My answer demonstrated that we can have it in scope

and have a lot of other good popcons with it

Dennis

Who is punished how exactly?

quartata

You're joking, right?

mınxomaτ

@Dennis Does it? Did a majority of the people actively contributing to the showcase actually request this?

quartata

17:54

I mean, aside from the fact that we can't upvote locked answers....

Who's going to click on something that says "[closed] [locked]"

Fatalize

Rather than asking who is punished by locking it, I'm still loking for an answer as to what we're gaining for locking it. The only argument I've seen are "It's out of scope OMG!!!" and "the showcase deserves better"

mınxomaτ

"We should do something better, so let's disable what we have now without a clear path of migration" is not a good idea in any way.

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quartata

I know this is rough position to be in @Dennis but bottom line this was a bit of a premature action

mınxomaτ

Indeed

quartata

Don't feel like I'm pinning this all on you; I know this was probably a joint decision among the moderators

Dennis

17:56

It was. A unanimous one fwiw.

El'endia Starman

I'd like to also add my voice against locking the showcase. It may be a poor fit for the site, but so is PPCG for the SE format in general.

quartata

But the moderators are supposed to execute the community's decision in this situations and it does not seem like we've settled on one yet

mınxomaτ

With that mindset, SE could close PPCG over night because a code golfing platform deserves something better and barely fit's in the QA format.

Fatalize

@mınxomaτ Don't give them ideas

quartata

This has nothing to do with whether we should or shouldn't, just that we haven't decided on either yet

mınxomaτ

17:57

@Fatalize :D

quartata

@Fatalize haha

BlueEyedBeast

Even though I agree that the showcase doesn't fit with our format, I like that it's there and can't think of a better place for it on this site.

I don't think it should have been locked

quartata

@Downgoat <insert nag about fastdl replays and holiday plugin>

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat can deny, it's a lot harder for an american to pronounce than that >_>

goddamnit, I just finished my next snippet for the showcase

>:U

DrMcMoylex

18:13

^^^ Can confirm, I have no clue how you pronounce it

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

18:26

@DrMcMoylex thanks for the confirmation I guess? :p

Calvin's Hobbies

@Dennis ಠ_ಠ

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Q: Draw a Dragon Curve

You task for today: draw a DRAGON CURVE!!! In case you don't know what a Dragon Curve is, here's an introductory ViHart video (Really cool, please watch!) https://youtu.be/EdyociU35u8 For those of you who decided not to watch the video, the first 12 iterations of the dragon curve are shown below...

code-golf graphical-output fractal dragon-curve

El'endia Starman

Gif: When you delete a block of code that you thought was useless

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Calvin's Hobbies

@quartata No kidding. There seems no obvious concensus at meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/10457/…

Kritixi Lithos

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ

> iss

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

18:29

...?

Kritixi Lithos

In the Dragon Curve question

Calvin's Hobbies

Unless ETH's highest voted suggestion of "The showcase is not an optimal solution, but it's the best we have for now."

mınxomaτ

@El'endiaStarman Haha, I literally just did that. Porting SOLARIS C to GNU C is really a goldmine of this situation.

DrMcMoylex

@Calvin'sHobbies I've been anti-locking for a while, but he's right, it is pretty broad

mınxomaτ

@DrMcMoylex And how is this an issue?

Again, SE could have the same conversation about PPCG every day. We are unfit for SE in theory, and the showcase is unfit for us .. in theory. I'm completely against taking action when there is no actual problem that needs solving.

DrMcMoylex

18:33

Too broad is a valid close reason

quartata

@DrMcMoylex That isn't the point. The point is that we haven't come to a consensus

Fatalize

We close challenges as too broad to stop bad content

quartata

It doesn't matter where you stand. That's what's going on

Fatalize

This challenge doesn't generate a lot of bad content

in fact it generates a lot of good content

Kritixi Lithos

It is a starting guide to many languages, esolangs in particular

mınxomaτ

18:34

@Fatalize Exactly. I don't see that the showcase produces bad content or negatively impacts the site in any way. There's no motive to close here.

Calvin's Hobbies

@mınxomaτ I agree :)

DrMcMoylex

@quartata OK, but the meta post is over two weeks old. If we don't have a consensus yet, when will we ever?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@KritixiLithos oh, oops

somebody will fix in the next edit I think, don't want to make an edit just to nuke that

mınxomaτ

Since there's not really a reason to take action, reaching consensus in finite time isn't really a requirement here IMO. Vote-wise, the anti-locking party far outweighs the other.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@DrMcMoylex consensus by default should be the votes IMO, and they clearly are for not locking the shocase

mınxomaτ

18:37

And I don't really see any evidence for that (excluding the mods):

-4

A: Proposal to lock the Language Showcase as historically significant

While the debate regarding the showcase's ontopicness is still open, the majority of the community seems to agree – as do we moderators – that it is too broad for our scope. As a result, I have closed and locked the challenge in question. Unfortunately, that means that we do not have a place for...

Calvin's Hobbies

@DrMcMoylex What Minx and East said. The current consensus by a 10 vote margin is that it should stay open, at least until there's a better solution.

mınxomaτ

Apparently, not even the MinGW devs know how to deal with thread syncing :D

DrMcMoylex

@Calvin'sHobbies last time I looked at your answer it was at negative 4. Huh

quartata

@DrMcMoylex It is an issue we've been struggling with for over a year so

@DrMcMoylex That's because his answer was relatively simplistic not that people didn't agree

That's weird, what's up with the funny gap between my messages

TuxCopter

@mınxomaτ ಠ_ಠ

oops compose fail

DrMcMoylex

18:47

I don't really have time to discuss it right now. I'm also not entirely sure which side I'm on

mınxomaτ

That's it. I'm porting this ~~crap~~ to C#. I've seen enough #ifdef _WEIRD_COMPILER for many lifetimes.

flawr

Why not Java?

mınxomaτ

I don't have any system where Java is pre-installed. With .NET, it's at least on Windows.

Thinking about it, apart from Rider (which comes with it's own runtime), I've never installed or used Java anywhere.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@DrMcMoylex I thought it was adnan

wait this is the other sock

wait wat

we have 2 zalgos and 2 socks now?

flawr

Other than that it seems that C# and Java have quite similar features, right?

(I don't know anything about C# except what I read just now on WP.)

Calvin's Hobbies

18:59

@Dennis @AlexA. @Doorknob @MartinEnder Can one of you respond to this contradiction?

mınxomaτ

@flawr Dunno, this project will quite heavily benefit from LINQ. I never used Java, so it would take me even longer to get going. Plus I'm deeply familiar with how DotNET and Mono implement just about anything.

C#7 adds tuples and stuff, too.

BlueEyedBeast

Before locking the Showcase, I think the meta proposal should have been featured for a while

Dennis

I didn't say that the majority agrees that the showcase should be closed, just that it is too broad. My other answer was at +18/-9 at that point. Closure is simply the logical consequence. The two highest voted answers do not address broadness at all. ETHProductions' just says there are issues with locking it, but doesn't propose a course of action. In the comments, he agrees that the alternative will happen faster if we cut off the existing solution. quartata's answer says that it is on topic, but he agrees in the comments that it is too broad. — Dennis ♦ 2 mins ago

quartata

@Dennis I did not. That was regarding Tweetable Mathematical Art

Dennis

→ 26 socks moved to Trash

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DrMcMoylex

19:11

@Dennis thank you

quartata

The votes and answers show that it is a gray area regarding broadness and scope which means it isn't just a natural consequence of applying the rules nor is there a consensus

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Q: Distance Between Two Points Travelling on a Polar Graph Chart

Brief Problem Explanation Write a program to find the minimum distance between two points travelling only on rays emanating from the origin, and circles centered on the origin Explanation of Premise Now lets imagine we are on a plane, and on this plane we are only allowed to travel in special ...

code-golf

Adnan

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I don't own any socks :p

flawr

@Adnan Always bare feet?

Kritixi Lithos

Nov 29 '15 at 19:12, by VoteToClose

the sock poofed

Adnan

19:14

@flawr sometimes without underwear

Dennis

@quartata OK, fine, you agreed that it was a potential concern and explicitly stated that your answer didn't focus on broadness.

Calvin's Hobbies

@Dennis Seriously? Sock conversations may be dopey but they aren't hurting anyone.

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quartata

@Dennis I agreed that it was a potential concern in that others might argue on that point, but I do not agree with it nor did I think initially that this discussion would become about it considering the scope of the original question

Calvin's Hobbies

I miss Chris Jester-Young's laissez-faire approach to modding.

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quartata

@Calvin'sHobbies It was pretty noisy.

@Calvin'sHobbies Yeah and we had shitty questions

No offense to Chris but laissez-faire does not scale

particularly in 2014 when we had hordes of low-rep users but very very few high-rep users.

It would probably work better now though

Dennis

19:17

@Calvin'sHobbies Chat was pretty quiet back then. We're having a serious discussion, and there's simply no need to dilute it with noise.

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mınxomaτ

Yep. And the sock situation was pretty close to getting out of hand.

That's a sentence I never thought I'd say.

DrMcMoylex

@Calvin'sHobbies I strongly disagree

quartata

@mınxomaτ hahahaha

DrMcMoylex

It's like taking the worst of chat and concentrating it into a couple messages and pretending it's OK because it comes from a different user

Calvin's Hobbies

But this is just an internet chatroom

a place to goof off a little

quartata

19:24

@Calvin'sHobbies There wasn't any real content there though and it was in the middle of something quite a bit more serious

I mean I didn't mind but I understand

Luis Mendo

^^

Kritixi Lithos

@Calvin'sHobbies I agree, anyways, I'm pretty sure the Socks would have left after they had fun

Calvin's Hobbies

@quartata Well, alright. But I swear the mods (main and chat) have been borderline dystopian recently ;)

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No more stars, please..

mınxomaτ

@Calvin'sHobbies That's basically what happened to world. Everything is politics and there is no moderate middle-ground anymore

Kritixi Lithos

Nice starbait ;)

quartata

19:28

Moderators are people too

flawr

@quartata I'm not so sure.

Dennis

Borderline dystopian? For trashing random nonsense? For real?

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Kritixi Lithos

Hey, how 'bout we forget the last hour or so and be happy with our lives instead of arguing :)

quartata

Look we've flung them off the deep end from "sleepy golf site" to "noisy chat rooms and complicated meta arguments" this past year. If you don't like the way they handle things, that's fine but call them out on it nicely

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Calvin's Hobbies

@Dennis Have a cookie: 🍪

mınxomaτ

19:31

Please stop starring all the things

Have a heart for people with <800px vertical resolution :(

Dennis

@Calvin'sHobbies I have no idea what that means.

Kritixi Lithos

Have a break,
Have a cookie!

Calvin's Hobbies

@quartata I wasn't trying to be mean or serious. That's why I had the winky face

Rohan Jhunjhunwala

Why are there to many stars

Last 20 posts some 7 stars

Kritixi Lithos

It's night and there are no clouds in the sky :)

Calvin's Hobbies

19:36

Anyway

@Dennis I'm obviously biased since I wrote the Showcase, but IMO closing it is akin to a company that discontinues a very popular product because it does not align with their core values, losing them customers. They shifted their product line but perhaps they should have shifted their core values (while maintaining integrity) if their desire is to grow and get more customers.

Downgoat

@mınxomaτ use mobile mode?

Calvin's Hobbies

Like, shouldn't we gravitate towards things that help out our site, like vastly popular questions?

Downgoat

@Calvin'sHobbies Closing the showcase would be like Apple removing the headphone jack.... oh wait :P

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Dennis

> headphone hack

Kritixi Lithos

@Downgoat And removing ports from the MacBooks

Calvin's Hobbies

19:39

@Calvin'sHobbies Since this is apparently such a contentious issue, maybe we should rethink what "broad" means on PPCG.

Kritixi Lithos

> broad: having an ample distance from side to side; wide - Google

Calvin's Hobbies

@Calvin'sHobbies This irked me as well when codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/35569/… was closed

BlueEyedBeast

@Calvin'sHobbies BBC and Top Gear

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mınxomaτ

@BlueEyedBeast Basically this: i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/645/713/888.jpg

where children = viewers

BlueEyedBeast

I agreed with dropping top gear though

Calvin's Hobbies

19:46

@Dennis Just a friendly gesture

Dennis

OK. It means something else where I come from, and it isn't at all friendly.

BlueEyedBeast

I can't see what could be unfriendly about giving someone a cookie

flawr

@Dennis Really?

quartata

@ais523 Say, now that you're the resident Nethack source digging guru...

mınxomaτ

@BlueEyedBeast The EU seems to think it is. Which is why we got that annoying cookie policy banner on many sites now :P

quartata

19:52

I have an empty bottle item that I made of POTION_CLASS; but I don't want it to show up as potion of empty bottle. However I can't for the life of mind find where the display names are created to add an exception

TuxCopter

^^ haha

Dennis

@BlueEyedBeast It's part of a longer quote from the German translation of Life of Brian.

quartata

Do you know where it is?

BlueEyedBeast

lol

mınxomaτ

@Dennis Huh?

Dennis

19:53

Setz dich Brian

►

BlueEyedBeast

monty python

Dennis

NSFW if you understand German.

Might be a regional thing.

flawr

Haha, never heard it in that context:)

mınxomaτ

That's not really related at all.

flawr

And you only have to tag something as NSFW in 'murica :)

Calvin's Hobbies

19:54

@Dennis Well, my only subtext was to try to lighten the chat mood. Have a custard: 🍮

mınxomaτ

And "means X where I come from" usually means that it is a long going thing in that culture, which for Germany it definitely isn't.

Dennis

I didn't get around a lot. I didn't realize it was regional.

mınxomaτ

I suspect that it was a trend thing, not even regional

flawr

@Dennis Would you mind being a bit more precise about the region? (I'm genuinely interested!)

mınxomaτ

seinen Senf dazugeben

Verb: seinen Senf dazugeben

(idiomatic, colloquial) to add one's two cents (literally: "to add one's mustard")...

Dennis

19:56

@flawr Border of Niedersachsen and Nordrhein-Westfalen.

mınxomaτ

Whoops, misread mustard ._.

Calvin's Hobbies

hahaha

mınxomaτ

Take it as random trivia then :D

Calvin's Hobbies

I was a bit confused :P

quartata

@mınxomaτ haha

mınxomaτ

19:58

I should stop looking a C. It messes with my ability to read ordinary words.

Dennis

The border part was a tad confusing. A few kilometers in the wrong direction and I didn't understand how people told the time anymore.

flawr

@Dennis haha=)

At what age did you move away?

Calvin's Hobbies

@flawr Is this interrogate Dennis time?

Flp.Tkc

Bavarian dialects are the hardest to understand for me

Dennis

@flawr 17

Calvin's Hobbies

20:04

@Dennis At what age were you born?

flawr

@Calvin'sHobbies yep

@Calvin'sHobbies at what age are you gonna die?

Calvin's Hobbies

Thursday

5

flawr

I like eating that colour too, especially left.

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Dennis

Hasn't been a good day so far, but Thursday made me chuckle.

quartata

inb4 it actually happens

Flp.Tkc

20:07

Dennis can't die before he gets 200k rep

quartata

@Flp.Tkc Oh I didn't think this joke was regarding him

...I think I just destroyed the cheery mood. Awkward.

flawr

@Flp.Tkc I hope he doesn't die before 1T rep.

mınxomaτ

1 Total?

quartata

@mınxomaτ I mean technically that would guarantee it would never happen unless Geobits goes really nuts

So I'd say that's a fair hope

flawr

@mınxomaτ T=Tera

TuxCopter

20:22

welp programming in a hexagon-based lang is hard

Kritixi Lithos

Hexagony?

TuxCopter

Nope

I am developing one myself

BlueEyedBeast

Is it possible to create a gif of a fish program?

TuxCopter

.H....e.....l..vkk<l..>klvo.vj;<\0>.!^ This print Hello and crash :/

Anonymous

@BlueEyedBeast Probably. I've been meaning to make a GIF creation tool for 2D languages

El'endia Starman

20:27

@Mego I'd be happy to offer my knowledge from making the VarLife render-to-gif tool.

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman Cool, thanks

Anonymous

It would require versions of the interpreters that emit the current IP location(s) as debug info

Anonymous

A tool like that for BF would also be neat

Anonymous

Maybe I'll do BF first and then use what I learned for other languages

Anonymous

Looks like Pillow in Python will be my weapon of choice

flawr

20:31

Weapon of math destruction.

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mınxomaτ

Neat, Linode now has 40GbE standard ingress speed

Martin Ender

@Mego I've been meaning to port my esolangs to JS, so I could make browser-based graphical debuggers with GIF export... :|

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Q: The Almost-Eternity Code

Write a program that outputs as many characters as possible, with two conditions: The program must be 256 bytes or shorter The program must almost surely eventually halt. In other words, the only thing not permitted in response to this question is an infinite loop. For the purposes of this pr...

busy-beaver halting-problem

Dennis

@MartinEnder If it's just for the graphical output, TIO should have that soon-ish.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@NewMainPosts dupe of the number bigger than source code?

Martin Ender

20:43

uh no, I mean a visualisation of the running code

BlueEyedBeast

how do I put ` in code?

Anonymous

@MartinEnder If you make a way to have the interpreter output the locations of the IP(s) as debugging information, it shouldn't be hard to make an animation

Anonymous

@BlueEyedBeast \`

Martin Ender

@Mego Hexagony and Lab already do that with -D (along with a ton of other information)

BlueEyedBeast

It's not renderinf in my preview

Anonymous

20:45

@MartinEnder Then I might do them after BF

Martin Ender

@BlueEyedBeast for posts, use double backticks for the code block. for comments and chat, escape the backtick.

Flp.Tkc

Would it be koth or code-golf if I asked a challenge where people code a hangman bot in java, and i put them all to the test, and the total score is evaluated by performance and bytecount?

Martin Ender

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@Flp.Tkc code-challenge

Flp.Tkc

would that be an interesting challenge? obviously I'd write lots of specifics

BlueEyedBeast

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A: What will you bring for Thanksgiving?

Pyke, Pyth, Python 2, Foo, Brain****, GolfScript, Actually, <><, Gol<><, Seriously, 10 languages, 346 bytes #s[\s\w\e\e\t\p\o\t\a\t\o\p\i\e)w.q"biscuits")\r\o\l\l\ssp00/;oooooooo'stuffing;oooooo~'`turkey' print'corn'#))))))))))))))))))))))))]+[--------->++<]>+w.q++[->+++<]>++w.q+++++++++++w.q--...

That was hard

I might consider that answer done now

Martin Ender

20:50

@Flp.Tkc there's this: codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/25496/8478 (here, byte count isn't part of the score, but it's capped at 2048 bytes)

Calvin's Hobbies

21:35

Roil a bit more :D

wat

Why was my challenge downvoted so hard?

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Challenge Implement a program that given three strings a, b, and c, substitutes all instances of the substring b in a with c. In other words, implement Ruby's String#gsub with strings instead of regexes (a.gsub b, c). Rules Standard loopholes apply. You may not use a builtin that performs th...

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arda

@wat see dennis' comment

wat

@arda I fixed that

arda

@wat no, you just changed it from "do x without y" to "do z without n".

wat

21:49

@arda no, it's "implement string substitution without doing string.substitute" which is arguably more fair

arda

And you invalidated all answers by doing so

wat

Nope.

arda

So if I understand this correctly, is this simply C#'s a.Replace("b","c")?

BlueEyedBeast

@arda if I understand it correctly, yes

arda

OK, it makes sense, but I think that dennis' comment still applies: It's too broad. You can't really clarify ALL the builtins are allowed or not.

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