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4:03 AM
Do you just like the word broseph @AlexA.?
 
Guys, I haz a logo:
 
Yes I do
 
@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ cool.
 
Ideas/improvements?
I haven't added color yet.
 
4:04 AM
3d puzzle piece.
Teal piece dark grey braces.
 
@RikerW Hmm... I'll see what I can do with that.
 
How about a puzzle piece where the 4 edges are made up of {
 
Make the piece interactive, ie it can be dragged.
gtg now, bye.
 
The brackets seem a few pixels too close to the puzzle piece imo. Also, perhaps rotate the puzzle piece?
 
4:05 AM
@Ampora Sure!
 
Just a thought though; the following is a metaphor for my knowledge of Graphic Design:
 
@PhiNotPi Hmm... Possible. I can sorta visualize it, but I or someone else will think of that.
 
Maybe use an ASCII art puzzle piece? heartnsoul.com/ascii_art/puzzles.txt
   __
 _(  )_
(_    _)
 _)  (_
(_    _)
  (__)
 
@Ampora You used papryus...
 
4:14 AM
@PhiNotPi In ASCII, it doesn't look too good...
user image
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How is it?
 
looks nice
 
I'm not a fan of the color scheme but the design is nice
 
@AlexA. I see that the increase rep meta thread is no longer featured, does this mean that it is (or isnt) going to actually happen, or is it just the timed feature tag?
 
4:24 AM
ok
 
@GamrCorps The featured tag on remains active on a question for a fixed amount of time. However, in this case we took it down before its time was up.
The conversation about it is pretty much over at this point; we're just waiting for word from the Stack Exchange overlords.
So in the interest of not having a ton of things featured at once, we un-featured the rep increase post in favor of Martin's best of 2015 post.
 
Anonymous
@AlexA. Expect a response around the time we graduate
 
Ah, ok. On an unrelated note, is there a limit to featured posts? Just curious.
 
@GamrCorps Not that I know of, but they're intended to only be for a small set of questions.
@Mego I'm told that the community team is aware of our request and will get back to us at some point.
 
@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ While our site is currently called Programming Puzzles and Code Golf, pure programming puzzles aren't actually on topic. The logo looks nice, but I think the design should not involve puzzles.
 
4:30 AM
That implies a finite amount of time, whereas our time until graduation is infinite. :P
@Dennis Actually I think the community consensus on meta is that they are still on topic. They just always get downvoted into oblivion every time they're posted.
 
@AlexA. Alright, let's transform that with f(t) = 1/t and get the fact that graduation time is now! :D
Or rather, when the site was first created. Hmm.
 
hahaha
 
A falling llama!
 
What do you guys think of this?
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A: Best of PPCG 2015 — Call for Categories

GamrCorpsASCII Artist Best code arrangement (ASCII art, but with your code) in an answer that still solves the task. Example: 999 999 9 9 9 9 9999 9999 9 9 999 999 //prints "99 bottles of beer" lyrics

 
Hello (from the other side)
 
4:34 AM
@AlexA. I think a handful of votes on Meta is rather meaningless if 1. The community downvotes and closes such challenges. 2. The very second default close reason says that they are off topic.
 
@Dennis Should I add a golf flag?
 
Opposition to anything golf-the-sport related seems to be rather strong.
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A: Graduation Design Ideas

MaltysenNo relation to the sport golf There should be nothing related to actual golf in the design. Our name may make for good puns, but it would be way too cheesy to be used.

 
@AlexA. Better color scheme suggestion?
@Dennis Hmm... substitutes?
(Better ideas?)
 
@Dennis I think like a single golf club somewhere might be fine but I just don't want the site to look like a golf course
 
@AlexA. Golf flag included?
 
4:38 AM
^^
 
How about a cup or a laurel wreath to symbolize competition?
 
Sure.
I'll see what I can do.
 
How about a golfing tee with something like this on top:
 
Anonymous
@AlexA. Soon™
 
@Dennis Granted, even the meta answers aren't entirely clear. The highest voted one says that it's meant to be like a long comment on another answer. The only clear thing was that my suggestion that they not be on topic has a negative score.
@GamrCorps Looks too much like HTML tags, IMO
 
4:41 AM
@AlexA. We wouldn't want those on a website.
 
@AlexA. Well, any other ideas on symbol(s) that represent programming in general?
 
It's a fine icon, I just don't think it's representative of the site
 
lol
 
@AlexA. If you can't say something productive, say something else.
4
 
We need a "byte" symbol
 
4:43 AM
^
 
Oh sorry, that's "bite symbol."
Oh damn, I should have said "shortest code in bites wins" on World Big Dosa.
 
There's still time.
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Or how about "Hello, World!" getting squished in a vice
 
"Shortest labeller in bites wins" - I see what you did there. — DankMemes Aug 29 '15 at 0:07
 
4:45 AM
^
 
>:O someone beet me to it
 
look at us, trying to console ourselves by fake graduation scripts
 
What about something on a golfing tee, and the golf club is transformed "Hello, World!" text
 
@AlexA. clam down
 
@Optimizer Haha it's like the entire site is in denial.
 
4:46 AM
I am not sure if this is denial phase..
 
@AlexA. The squeaky wheel...greases itself
 
we are all gracefully avoiding the topic
 
Why not just make a tag, and have the icon be a list of all questions with that tag
 
and simply continuing to live in our phantaseas
 
is code "minimized" or "minified"?
 
4:50 AM
Minified me thinks.
 
Minification (also minimisation or minimization), in computer programming languages and especially JavaScript, is the process of removing all unnecessary characters from source code without changing its functionality. These unnecessary characters usually include white space characters, new line characters, comments, and sometimes block delimiters, which are used to add readability to the code but are not required for it to execute. Minified source code is especially useful for interpreted languages deployed and transmitted on the Internet (such as JavaScript), because it reduces the amount of data...
tl;dr either
 
Does someone want to suggest a color scheme for the logo?
 
pink and pink
 
...
Yew seerus?
 
> Minification (also minimisation or minimization), in computer programming languages and especially JavaScript...
WHAT?
 
4:51 AM
Greens and yellows
 
No, he's Shirly.
 
@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ Seadrus?
 
@Dennis What's so surprising to you?
 
yeah, why so surprised?
 
@Dennis People minify their JavaScript so that browsers don't have to load as much crap or whatever idk
 
4:53 AM
^ It actually says that in the onebox.
 
o
 
> Minified source code is especially useful for interpreted languages deployed and transmitted on the Internet (such as JavaScript), because it reduces the amount of data...
 
Alex Can't Read
 
Well, who usually reads the whole onebox?
 
@El'endiaStarman How can a definition apply to all languages and especially JavaScript?
 
4:54 AM
Because JS is especial.
 
@Dennis It's especially used with JavaScript.
 
"context" rather than "apply"
 
You hardly ever see minimization of code in other languages because readability is important, and because space (RAM or disk) is cheap.
 
@Dennis It's just weird writing. JS is mentioned twice, only the second mention is really necessary I'd say
 
^
 
Anonymous
4:55 AM
@Dennis The primary usage of minification is with JavaScript, because it's dynamically loaded in browsers way more often than any other language. When was the last time you needed to load some Python code for a page to work?
 
omg, we really need to minify this Java code to reduce 2 KB out of it
 
^ just use Glava
 
Anonymous
JS is used for client-side scripting waaaaay more often than anything else
 
It's pretty much the only game in town right now. Flash is on its way out and Silverlight died a while ago.
 
Silverlight is only used once in a silver moon
 
4:56 AM
I'm not saying that minification is as common with other languages than with JS, but the wording of the Wikipedia article is still way off.
 
Oh, there was Actionscript too, right? That one died too. :P
 
Programming Minification & Code Golf
 
I understood the wording fine. [shrug]
 
Anonymous
HTML and CSS could potentially benefit from minification also (and I've seen CSS get minified), but they're typically a few orders of magnitude shorter than JS (especially when you need to load a buttload of libraries like jQuery)
 
Anonymous
@Dennis The great thing about Wikipedia is that anybody can edit it
 
4:58 AM
unless you are a spammer and your IP is blocked
 
Anonymous
@Optimizer Then the fact that you can't edit Wikipedia articles is probably not your greatest concern
 
but.. but.. I want to spam more..
 
2012??
 
5:00 AM
80 kB of Flash is still too much.
 
1 kB of Flash is too much
 
Anonymous
1 bit of Flash is too much
 
@Calvin'sHobbies Yup, scripts are the largest portion, except for images, which you can't really minimize as effectively.
 
@Calvin'sHobbies Pssh, not enough images.
80% should be the minimum.
 
Anonymous
Also don't forget unrenderable Unicode characters; those are important
 
5:03 AM
Yeah, speaking of which, I can see molarmanful's name in chat, but not on main.
 
Anonymous
I see white boxes. Chrome ftw, always behind the curve.
 
You're Eleven White Boxes Guy.
 
Anonymous
Huh, I see 7
 
@Mego That's a problem with your font, not your browser.
 
@El'endiaStarman Eleven White Boxes Guy who made Five White Boxes.
 
Anonymous
5:03 AM
Well, 7 in chat, but there were 9 on the starboard
 
I feel like the puzzle part might be a bit redundant.
 
@Mego Click on his name.
@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ Yeah. Can you repost it without the puzzle piece?
 
Yes, Puzzle B. Gone.
 
Anonymous
@Dennis How is it a font issue and not an encoding issue?
 
5:05 AM
@Dennis Seriously, what is this, Programming Puzzles & Code Golf?
I mean really
 
Good reason to change the name...
@ՊՓԼՃՐՊՃՈԲՍԼ I...I actually like this quite a bit.
 
Anonymous
@AlexA. Programming Seriously & Code Golf
 
@El'endiaStarman The clear meta consensus is not to change it. :/
@Mego Pyth Seriously & CJam Gol><>
 
@AlexA. Recent?
 
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Q: Should we change our name?

RainboltThis site may have been built primarily on code-golf challenges and puzzles that have no winning criteria, but we have evolved away from that. Our name is outdated, and we should rebrand ourselves. Because the folks in the chat cannot seem to agree on a name, I'm going to post multiple answers a...

Four months ago
 
5:08 AM
@Mego You get the white boxes if neither the fonts specified in the stylesheet nor the fallback font(s) can render the glyphs.
 
Hmm. More recent than I thought.
 
Personally I think Dennis' proposal to rebrand ourselves as Code Golf makes the most sense. We're already CodeGolf.SE, we're known as Code Golf internally at SE, and it's the vast majority of what we do here.
 
Code Dieting StackExchange.
Or Code Slimming StackExchange.
:)
 
s/(Stack)/\1 /
 
Web pet peeves poll: strawpoll.me/6463028
@AlexA. Code Golf &c.
 
5:13 AM
&c.?
 
@Calvin'sHobbies I hate the pop-overs the most by far. I always think "Have you guys never used your website?!"
 
@Calvin'sHobbies 10/10 very annoying
 
I click a link to read content on your page, nothing else!
So, Adblock is an oft-used tool on my computer...
Though recently I encountered a website that also disabled scrolling. I closed the tab after a minute of trying to get it to work properly.
 
It disabled scrolling?
ಠ_ಠ
 
Yeah. I think I was supposed to close the pop-over a proper way.
 
5:15 AM
My personal favorite are websites that put a giant, grey div over the content because AdBlock is enabled.
 
I haven't encountered one of those yet.
 
I did recently. And blocked the div with AdBlock.
 
My favorites are the ones that refuse to work unless you turn off AdBlock.
 
Step 1. Block JS as well.
 
I'm going now. If y'all have suggestions for my logo idea, ping me.
 
5:17 AM
ok
gnsp
 
good night sleep properly?
 
hahaha
I like that better
"Good night, sweet prince"
 
ahh, lol
 
It seems we're constantly discontent with our name around here.
 
Well, half of the name includes content that's generally deemed to be off topic.
 
5:23 AM
True that.
I vote we change it to PPCG - The "Perpetually Peeved at our Classification" Group.
 
Haha
 
IMHO there's no bigger slap in the face than posting a programming puzzle on a site called Programming Puzzles, just to get it closed for being off topic.
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Anonymous
Perpetual Pedantry and Code Golf
 
@Dennis I agree entirely that "Programming Puzzles" shouldn't be in the name. I also happen to think "Code Golf" shouldn't either, but I'm quite outnumbered there, I believe.
 
Why shouldn't it?
16 mins ago, by Alex A.
Personally I think Dennis' proposal to rebrand ourselves as Code Golf makes the most sense. We're already CodeGolf.SE, we're known as Code Golf internally at SE, and it's the vast majority of what we do here.
 
5:27 AM
It seems oddly specific.
 
Looked through the name suggestions again and I think I like "Code Sports" the most.
 
But it isn't Code Sports. It's Code Sport. shudders
 
I mean, it's a large part of what we do, but is it intentionally the largest part of what we do? I'd rather a community built around fun programming challenges that happens to have a lot of code golf (since they tend to be short, simple, sweet, etc) than a community built around code golf that happens to allow other kinds of challenges too.
 
How about Code Sports? — Alex A. ♦ Aug 28 '15 at 4:59
 
We originated because they wanted people to stop posting code golf competitions on Stack Overflow. :P
 
5:30 AM
That's true, but I don't think it's quite fair to compare the old and the current.
 
"Probably Perpetually Can't Graduate"
 
Anonymous
@AlexA. "Code golf on SO got annoying so we made this site for you guys. It will never graduate. Have fun!"
 
hahaha
 
@BrainSteel As I have said before, I don't think the name has to reflect the entire scope of the site. Code Golf is a well-known type of programming competition and describes our site a lot better than Stack Overflow, Super User or Server Fault describe their counterparts.
 
^
 
5:32 AM
I don't know. When you read Stack Overflow, it'd be a bit silly to think it's a site dedicated to stack overflows, so your next guess is "oh, it's probably a site about general programming errors/advice, and they wanted a catchy name." If you see Code Golf, it would be easy to assume code golf is all we do.
Code Golf is both not catchy and too specific. I think you can have one or the other, but not both :P
 
I think Mauris summed up how I feel about it quite well:
Sep 10 '15 at 23:40, by Mauris
"Code Golf (but it's a little more broad than that, and some other things are on-topic, if you read the rules)" is much better than "PPCG (but it's a little more narrow than that, and the thing you're thinking of is probably off-topic, and you won't read the rules)".
 
@BrainSteel we do many kinds of challenge
 
@zyabin101 That's my point.
 
@AlexA. Would calling us CG.SE get us mixed up with any other SE sites?
Computer Graphics? Cog Sci?
 
I don't know how one abbreviates Cryptography?
 
Anonymous
5:35 AM
@BrainSteel Crypto
 
Crypto.SE?
 
@Calvin'sHobbies I imagine people would call us CodeGolf.SE.
 
Code Golf is short enough. It doesn't need an abbreviation.
 
^
 
It doesn't need to be golfed...
 
5:35 AM
Another point in favor.
 
Heck, I often type out Christianity.SE in full, rather than C.SE.
Well, here at least.
 
@Calvin'sHobbies Kappa
 
Code Golf is better than Programming Puzzles and Code Golf for sure, but I still don't think it's good.
 
Programming Competitions With Objective Winning Criteria
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Or PCWOWC.
 
That's got "WOW" in it, so you know it's good.
 
5:37 AM
Dammit, ninja'd hard
 
@Calvin'sHobbies Who on Earth is answering this without voting for everything??
 
I think just Programming Competitions is fine, frankly. I mean, it's what everything boils down to.
 
Anonymous
@trichoplax I didn't vote for the password restrictions one, because it's less of a pet peeve and more of a reason why I cry myself to sleep every night.
 
haha
@BrainSteel As a site in a Q&A network, people might think that you can ask about programming competitions on a site called Programming Competitions, which in fact is not the case here.
 
@BrainSteel I agree
 
5:41 AM
@AlexA. I had not thought of that. Then again, we don't currently get many questions about Programming Puzzles, either.
 
Anonymous
"wat is code golf plz help hw due in 2 mins"
 
@AlexA. Why settle for "Code Golf (but it's a little more broad than that, and some other things are on-topic, if you read the rules)" when you could have a name that exactly describes what we do?
 
Code Golf and Friends
 
@BrainSteel We've gotten a few. They inevitably get closed immediately and downvoted into oblivion, then usually deleted.
 
Good night y'all!
 
5:44 AM
@Calvin'sHobbies For code golf competitions and questions about Monica, Chandler, Ross, Phoebe, Joey, and Rachael
 
G'night!
 
@Dennis Good night!
 
@Dennis G'night!
 
> Rachael
 
Wa, it's morning in Moscow.
 
5:45 AM
@AlexA. For a moment I thought you were talking about Monica Cellio and was confused... :P
 
I don't really think a name change is going to immediately relieve all our problems with off topic questions. I mean, we're still going to get questions that should be on SO here either way :P
 
@BrainSteel And occasionally questions that should be on Arqade.
 
@Dennis Um... Yes?
 
We seriously had one of those earlier today.
 
Rachel Karen Green is a fictional character, one of the six main characters who appear in the American sitcom Friends. Portrayed by actress Jennifer Aniston, the character was created by show creators David Crane and Marta Kauffman, and appeared in each of the show’s 236 episodes during its decade-long run, from its premiere on September 22, 1994 to its finale on May 6, 2004. Introduced in the show's pilot as a naive runaway bride who reunites with her childhood best friend Monica and relocates to New York City, Rachel gradually evolves from a spoiled, inexperienced daddy's girl into a successful...
 
5:46 AM
I haven't yet figured out how someone misses the topic by that much.
 
@El'endiaStarman it's Arqade.
 
@Dennis Ah. They used other way to spell Rachel.
 
@El'endiaStarman They have a programming problem and are puzzled by it?
 
@Dennis Today's gaming question had absolutely nothing to do with programming. :P
@BrainSteel Certainly not
 
@zyabin101 Fixed, thanks.
 
5:49 AM
No stubby pencils? What a waste. — Shog9 ♦ 3 hours ago
Shog was looking at our meta ._.
 
They've noticed
 
I may or may not have referenced a humorous comment on that question in a certain place that does not exist
I've said too much
 
It's only a matter of time before someone asks "Why is that hoopy site pretending they're graduating again?"
 
Hoopy?
 
Yeah, I'm sticking with hoopy.
 
5:52 AM
What does it mean?
 
"really together guy"; I don't know why I used it, it's from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
 
Anonymous
@AlexA. I'm guessing you mean the blue room :P
 
@BrainSteel I've been meaning to read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy since my girlfriend gave it to me for my birthday when we were 18.
 
I love the first book.
 
@AlexA. ...wow. Seven years?
Also, same girlfriend?
 
5:56 AM
Yes and yes
 
I remember this one time, I had a girlfriend.
 
I'm sure you get this reaction often, but I'm a bit surprised you're not married yet.
 
@El'endiaStarman We will, we just haven't yet.
@BrainSteel The one who liked Achievement Hunter?
 
Anonymous
@El'endiaStarman Bird-human marriage isn't legal
 
Not yet anyway!
 
5:58 AM
@Mego Got a reference for that?
And ^^ haha. :P
 
Anonymous
@El'endiaStarman Flying birds cannot consent, for they are not sapient and are always wrong.
 
@AlexA. You've got a damn fine memory. I don't remember ever saying that here.
 
@Mego Haha, I saw that edit to exclude yourself. :P
 
@Mego We only know of one bird that's always wrong, really...
 
@BrainSteel You mentioned it on the Minecraft server when we built the Tower of Pimps at Phi's place.
 
Anonymous
6:00 AM
@BrainSteel One flying bird that is always wrong, and no flying birds that aren't always wrong.
 
Anonymous
@El'endiaStarman pocket sand
 
arg! my eyes!
 
Oh yeah, I remember that server. I wonder what became of the chicken toilet.
 
It's still there
It's been deactivated though
 
Anonymous
@BrainSteel The server is still up. I ended up tearing down your rail station and rebuilding it to be more robust.
 
6:02 AM
.........chicken toilet?
 
Anonymous
Err what
 
It was a masterpiece of intuition and engineering. Alas, a story for another time...
 
Anonymous
The server got deactivated?
 
Chicken farm that looked like a toilet
 
@Mego No, the chicken toilet did
 
Anonymous
6:03 AM
@AlexA. Oh. You had me worried.
 
As it turns out, chicken toilets are noisy.
 
@El'endiaStarman Basically, Brainsteel built this automatic chicken harvester in Minecraft. Live chickens go in the top and get trapped in a water vortex that puts them into an oven. It's actually quite horrific if you think about it too hard.
 
Having built a chicken farm myself, I can imagine.
 
It's not that bad. Except for the part where the chickens lay eggs so occasionally you just roasted a baby chick.
 
@AlexA. Hahahaha. That's not terribly different from what I did. I trapped chickens in a 9x9 room with two additional squares to either side: a pressure plate and a trapdoor. Below the trapdoor was a piston-crusher system...
It didn't work perfectly. I probably lost a significant portion of the loot. But I had a ton already from the manual-slaughter era.
Killing a hundred chickens takes time, y'know?
 
6:06 AM
o___o
 
Not if you use my patented chicken toilet.
Free installation, with four easy payments of 24.99!
 
you tease
I wanna see it flush!
 
Well, that's officially enough internet for the day.
I'm going to sleep. Good night everybody!
 
G'night!
 
6:10 AM
I mean, good night!
 
oh gosh
It just had to be reversed. >_<
 
Hahaha
 
That's really disturbing...
 
Sure is!
 
Anonymous
@BrainSteel You're right, it is horrific. Baby chickens don't give meat. That's incredibly inefficient.
 
6:17 AM
ftw
 
Anonymous
@AlexA. Baby chickens definitely don't give tofu either
 
Oh right, I forgot: tofu is harvested from the wild tofu beast.
 
6:34 AM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ does it work now?
nvm stupid error
 
7:00 AM
nvm?
 
7:23 AM
Nevermind.
 
Anonymous
 
Ok after git and I did battle, I emerged victorious, and the stupid error has been corrected
 
Anonymous
 
@Mego Lol I remember reading that. In fact, I showed it to my programming teacher when he introduced Git.
 
8:04 AM
........................this is unfortunately way too accurate in some cases.
 
 
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A: Where to find an online testing environment for specific programming languages?

Peter TaylorMathematica / Wolfram Language Wolfram has followed Sage in creating an online notebook experience, and it has a free subscription level. This does require creating an account. Register here Returning users go here to create a new notebook. The UI currently requires you to enter the program ...

@Calvin'sHobbies Suggestions are still coming in, so I'd like to give people a few more days to vote on them. I'll probably post the category polls on the weekend.
 
11:33 AM
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

zyabin101Convert between main and meta tags: code-golf The challenge needs at least two tags or else searching will be hard. Sandbox comments will be quoted like this. Welp, I need a scenario for that... Else the question won't be interesting. Create a converter that will convert betwee...

 
@AlexA. @BrainSteel I like Achievement Hunter. And RWBY
 
12:17 PM
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Q: Detect my accent

CJ DennisYour task is to write a program or function that detects accents in UTF-8 input. The catch is that your code must be written entirely in an 8-bit character encoding. The code will output a single integer which is the count of the number of accented letters in the input. The test input will consis...

 
@Doorknob Submitted my single printable ASCII character! :D
 
@Stefnotch yep, got it
 
I have a feeling that everybody is going to type in some "rare"ASCII symbols...
 
@Doorknob how many do you have in total now?
 
56
 
12:22 PM
nice
since yesterday, Best of PPCG has been getting quite a lot of upvotes that don't seem to be followed by any votes on categories :/
(at least not on the top ones. it's harder to tell for the bottom categories)
 
Ah, I'm one of those I'm afraid. I'll see about upvoting some categories
 
12:44 PM
Remember to check the 2nd page too...
 
12:57 PM
@Sherlock9 i really want to like rwby but i can't get over the dialouge
no one talks like that and it hurts to listen to
which sucks because it seems really cool and it looks good but every time anyone has a conversation i have to turn it off
 
I was about to say I've never had a problem with it, but that Weiss and Ruby arc in the first season
Otherwise, I've had no problem with it
 
one time i spent a week getting caught up in rvb (i had seen a few episodes from season 1 and didn't realize they ever did more than that)
i enjoyed it but that was like 5 seasons ago
 

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