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12:00 AM
Geobits was very wrong about unmentional stuff. :P
@ןnɟuɐɯɹɐןoɯ Maybe that person doesn't like builtins? :P
7 hours ago, by Doorknob 冰
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@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ The problem specifically allows builtins.
So they are a jerk?
@ןnɟuɐɯɹɐןoɯ I know.
12:02 AM
Oh yeah, the other downvoted one is codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/64525/41247. Another one.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ: That's a graph of questions per week over the last year. You can see there's definitely an upward trend. I'm sure we'll graduate sooner or later.
Same kind of builtin style.
@El'endiaStarman haha
@El'endiaStarman The date is now for January 1.
@RikerW Copy its permalink and paste it with no other text.
12:04 AM
shoot I just broke my zsh so badly
whenever I type in a command, it becomes potato
1 min ago, by El'endia Starman
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ: That's a graph of questions per week over the last year. You can see there's definitely an upward trend. I'm sure we'll graduate sooner or later.
Hoping sooner. :P
@Doorknob冰 WOW.
@Doorknob冰 wth?
12:05 AM
I don't know how to fix this because to edit my zshrc, I need to do vim .zshrc but I can't because it becomes potato
It is pretty funny though.
@Doorknob冰 What OS?
also I can't switch to bash because when I type bash it becomes potato
Gnome 3?
@RikerW Debian
@Doorknob冰 lol
What happened?????
12:06 AM
you know that's a really good question
(pulls out cards and flips through)
I am sorry for your loss of a family member/dog/OS/potato.
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'BʀɪᴇɴGrowing Quine Sequence You are to write a sequence of programs p1 p2 ... pN that satisfy the following properties: pK prints pK+1 pN prints pN When the first K programs are concatenated, the resulting program p1...pK prints p1...pK. Each program pK must be larger in byte size than the previous...

Thank you, @NewSandboxedPosts.
Wow, this has exactly 100 votes.
Q: Making Future Posts Runnable Online with Stack Snippets

Calvin's HobbiesStack Snippets were recently added to PPCG! Reminiscent of JSFiddle, Stack Snippets allow HTML, CSS, and JavaScript to be run directly in posts! Here is a very simple Stack Snippet: alert('This is JavaScript') h3 { color: red } /* This is CSS */ <h3>This is HTML</h3> This feature o...

Don't upvote pls!!!!
Anybody got any feedback on this?
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

RikerWDraw a Cuboid Menger Sponge We have done the Sierpinski Triangle to death. I also thought about a square though, but that was too similar. But for this challenge, you will make a Sierpinski cube, or a Cuboid Menger Sponge. (Anybody got a cooler name for this, let me know.) Given an positive ...

@RikerW i;m sorry
12:11 AM
@Doorknob冰 Maybe you just need to switch to a UK keyboard so it will say potato instead of potato
@RikerW Does the wide image show valid angles?
@RikerW Now that you've given a specific range for the image size, you can remove the previous vague image size guidelines.
@BlockCoder1392 I hate you. :P
I am tempted to downvote.
@trichoplax Yes, already have that in.
@RikerW Um.
@trichoplax Okay.
@BlockCoder1392 Don't worry, I won't.
Nobody make it 102 though pls.
@RikerW If both isometric and perspective projections are permitted, do you want to allow or exclude false projections like having the front faces straight on but the side faces still visible?
@RikerW Uh why
12:18 AM
Ooh, I haven't upvoted that one yet...
@BlockCoder1392 Because 100 is 10^2, 101 is prime, and 102 is neither
[hovers mouse over upvote button]
@RikerW If you like 101s...
Q: Increase reputation awarded for questions

Alex A.It has come to my attention that the amount of reputation awarded for questions can be adjusted on a per-site basis. For example, Stack Apps awards +10 reputation for question upvotes. As you probably already know, we currently award +5 reputation, as do most Stack Exchange sites, including Stack...

@trichoplax Sorry
@El'endiaStarman (voice from heaven) @El'endiaStarman, Upvoting is Satan's work.
12:19 AM
@RikerW Gee, I guess I better delete my account immediately.
The 11'th commandment clearly states that along with 666, 102 is cursed.
@BlockCoder1392 Don't be sorry - just be sure to vote on the answers too - they are more important :)
@El'endiaStarman Yes. :P
@trichoplax True.
@trichoplax Oh now that one's at 102. Ha! :P
@El'endiaStarman Really?
12:20 AM
@ןnɟuɐɯɹɐןoɯ If you implemented it specifically to solve the question, it's a boring answer.
@trichoplax I upvoted on Optimizer's answer before the Q
@El'endiaStarman aka did you do that?
@El'endiaStarman I'm not the one obsessed with 101 - it was just an excuse to post a question I'd like to see more voting on :)
@RikerW I upvoted that one long ago.
@El'endiaStarman Okay, good.
WHO DID THAT?????? (vote on increase rep question)
12:22 AM
@ThomasKwa Nope. It happened to come with the library.
@RikerW Someone who is amused by your misery.
I had no idea what Catalan numbers ever were before that challenge!
@El'endiaStarman Now people will start using afaik, huh.
@PPCGMods can you clear the comments on this sandbox proposal?
Hmmm... maybe I should post some of my own questions and pretend I hate upvotes...
I don't think @Mods does anything. :P
@trichoplax lol
12:23 AM
@RikerW Me
@RikerW you should probably specify PPCG mods ;)
I doubly hate you.
:26513147 I mean lots of mods frequent this room but they can't delete the comments for you...
trichoplax is a mod on CG
12:25 AM
<- this guy is a mod too.
Computer Graphics.
@El'endiaStarman Knew that.
Then why'd you ask
Just realized I never got around to joining Christianity SE.
@trichoplax I don't know, what do you think?
12:26 AM
@RikerW I didn't mean that @PPCGMods would do anything... But I've deleted all mine now
Ill delete mine and leave xnor in the dust.
@RikerW I have no opinion either way, I'm just wanting to see it specified one way or the other :)
@RikerW El'endia can delete all the ones that aren't xnors...
@El'endiaStarman delete your comment here pls?
It looks like @xnor is having a conversation with himself. :P
Or just really rigorous suggested edits.
12:31 AM
@rikerw you spelled wrong
@BlockCoder1392 Thanks. I am actually planning to put that on the question for no reason at all.
@RikerW I'm sure that won't lead to downvotes :P
You should make 37 random revisions, and then add it on revision 38 :P
@trichoplax me too.
12:38 AM
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'BʀɪᴇɴGrowing Quine Sequence You are to write a sequence of 10 programs p1 p2 ... p10 that satisfy the following properties: pK prints pK+1 p10 prints p10 When the first K programs are concatenated, the resulting program p1...pK prints p1...pK. Each program pK must be larger in byte size than the pr...

not advertising self
@BlockCoder1392 It's me...
@ןnɟuɐɯɹɐןoɯ What?
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Good idea.
@RikerW thanks!
12:43 AM
@BlockCoder1392 My chat singing is so on point that Adele even started a rumor about it.
@ןnɟuɐɯɹɐןoɯ lol
Seriously people, use the ellipsis char pls.
@RikerW Already implemented in 𝔼𝕊𝕄𝕚𝕟.
You're welcome.
12:46 AM
Looks like Braille.
it aint
I said looks like, not is.
It is these:

Unicode: U+22F0, UTF-8: E2 8B B0

Unicode: U+22F1, UTF-8: E2 8B B1

Unicode: U+22EF, UTF-8: E2 8B AF

Unicode: U+22EE, UTF-8: E2 8B AE

Unicode: U+2026, UTF-8: E2 80 A6
Guys, I was thinking of making a JS golfing language that is meant to be readable.
The aliases could be more than one char.
EX: indexOf => iO
and toLowerCase=>tLC
Maybe. How about a esolang like that, but with the prefix 'i' before everything?
i.e. split-> iSplit
12:50 AM
lol and call it AppleJScript
@ןnɟuɐɯɹɐןoɯ Yes, Exactly what I was thinking.
We have a new hot esolang on our hands!
Actually, that would be quite easy to make, now that I think about it.
Working on it right now with python as a prototype.
Dibs on creator rights. :P
(we can share)
12:53 AM
Array.prototype.iO=function(a){return this.indexOf(a);}
Here's an idea for AppleJScript aliasing in ES6: [String,Array,Number,Object,RegExp,Date,Function].map(v=>Object.getOwnPropertyN‌​ames(v).map((x,y)=>v.prototype[x.replace(/^./g,x=>"i"+x.toUpperCase())]=v.prototy‌​pe[x]))
Great idea.
Usage would be like iCharCodeAt and stuff like that.
Maybe move to the esolang chatroom?
12:56 AM
Link anybody? can't find it.

 Esoteric Programming Languages

A room for discussing, creating, using, golfing and discoverin...
@ןnɟuɐɯɹɐןoɯ what happened to the one byte encoding?
@ThomasKwa I haven't worked on it much. Language changes way too fast for my code page to keep up.
I've been expecting the lang to stabilize for awhile now :P
be like Jelly was and have an automatic encoding.
@ThomasKwa How?
1:02 AM
it's better to have a short language now than a short one in six months
Make a list of characters
Yeah, I'll see what I can do. Most of the chars used are in the official char palette at the interpreter, so...
and have a flag to interpret code in "scoring mode"; that is, translating byte values to the characters you use.
Look at the old revisions of the Jelly interpreter; it's pretty simple.
This revision or any previous one.
Jelly simply gathered all characters that corresponded to instructions in a string and appended them to the ASCII characters.
So I can also specify 2-byte chars, right?
(On the same code page)
(or whatever I'm doing)
You can put whatever you want in your code page. Does ESMin use more than 256 characters?
1:06 AM
Yeah, way more.
The number aliases themselves are 256 chars total.
The function aliases are probably way more.
Uh, okay.
Sticky situation.
Then you'll need to set aside a few surrogates, like UTF-16 does.
Pretty much everything will be better than UTF-8 though.
Yeah, that's true.
1:08 AM
Do you use the ASCII characters for anything?
Inside strings and stuff like that.
Brackets, parens, etc.
@ ends a for loop.
I kept only the printable ASCII characters and newlines for Jelly's code page.
That's what I'm planning on doing.
I think that's what I did the last time I made a code page.
If you set aside 64 characters as surrogates, you can encode up to 16,384 characters in two bytes. With 96 ASCII characters, that leaves another 96 non-ASCII characters you can encode in one byte.
Surrogates, meaning...?
1:12 AM
For example, \xff would not correspond to a character, but \xff\xXY would encode 256 different characters, depending on the values of X and Y.
Oh, okay.
So that would basically become 2 bytes.
Yes. With more than 256 characters, some will have to.
How many different characters does ESMin use approximately?
Somewhere in the 700's, I think. Probably (and hopefully less).
I think I'm overestimating.
@BlockCoder1392 Dude, stop with the hellos. But hello.
1:16 AM
Oh, then 64 surrogates is absolute overkill...
@RikerW forever {console.write("hello")}
@BlockCoder1392 for(;;)'s shorter.
@BlockCoder1392 for(;;)println("shut up blockcoder")
(;;) always looks like the loop condition is crying.
1:20 AM
@RikerW SyntaxError: Unexpected identifier "for" at line 1, parseRikerWPosts.myLang
@mınxomaτ ^
for(;-;) means that as long as counter is less than -1?
Nevermind, errors with Unexpected token ;
Is there a tag related to sequences of programs?
1:38 AM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ :P
Never mind, that is for sequences of numbers.
I don't think there is one.
Create one !!!
Ooh, maybe the quine tag? Because it is a sort of meta-quine.
1:44 AM
I think that ESMin's automatic function aliasing is starting to fall apart. That's gonna suck.
ELI5 automatic function aliasing?
Explain it like I'm Calvin.
Explain it Like I'm 5 and that ^, respectively.
1:46 AM
Calvin=calvin from calvin and hobbes.
@El'endiaStarman lol
There are subreddits for both.
that mid-sentence caret
Okay... ESMin basically does function aliasing for me, meaning that everything in a Javascript object (say, Array.prototype.replace) is aliased to a shorter equivalent (eg.: Ć or something like that). All done programmatically, which does have its pitfalls.
My Firefox updated, and with it, some of the functions were moved around or something, meaning that ć was no longer a map function; it was a filter function.
Don't know if this makes sense...
mini challenge: Make a program print it's a complement quine. (E.g, each character is mapped to 126 - char code; ! => }, etc.)
@ןnɟuɐɯɹɐןoɯ Well, that definitely sounds problematic.
1:49 AM
Indeed, @El'endiaStarman.
Did Firefox change its PRNG or sorting algorithm or something?
Not sure, it just updated in general.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Does the output source code have to do the same thing too?
It was a quick fix, but it could happen again on a larger scale. And then that's gonna be bad.
@trichoplax think of it like a quine
1:51 AM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I get that part, but does it also have to work for successive times, alternating between the original and the complement?
@trichoplax Nope!
That would be cool, too.
+1 star bonus if you do.
Maybe too much, but with the people round here you never know...
@trichoplax Huh, I never noticed you are blue now.
@AlexA. You may not ಠ_ಠ
1:55 AM
@Dennis So many blue names in here now I don't stand out :)
@Dennis I'm helping moderate Computer Graphics (just until they can graduate and have an election)
Yes, I saw. Three mods from two European countries. Not suspicious at all...
We have users from all over, but had very few nominations
2:03 AM
@Dennis seems legit
I think "Great minds waste time alike" is our new official motto (or should be)
@Dennis Also, 2 out of the 3 have their highest rep from PPCG. Not the best sign for a programming themed SE...
It just sums us up way too well
@trichoplax In all seriousness, congrats! They couldn't have picked a better mod.
Haven't you been a mod on CG for a while?
@Dennis Thank you!
2:05 AM
I don't know I just remembered seeing your glorious diamond a month or so back
@quartata Yes but Dennis only just noticed :)
I bet CG will graduate before PPCG, knowing our luck
Luck has nothing to do with it.
Actually Jeff Atwood flips a coin every day to decide whether or not we graduate
I thought you knew
@quartata but both sides are tails
2:07 AM
Did you see Doorknob's graphs earlier today? Looks like another 3 to 6 months until we have over 10 questions per day on a regular basis
Yeah, heads we don't graduate and tails we don't graduate.
Someday the coin will land on its side though.
I know that's not the only condition but it looks promising
Quite frankly, I don't think PPCG will ever graduate.
All seriousness, I agree.
It fits the "endless beta" model they talked about too well.
Also... star troll?
Maybe isn't that starworthy
oh no
2:09 AM
The star troll is avoiding my messages and making it look like me... :(
I seriously hope we don't have a blue star troll. :P
That would be nightmarish
Let me rephrase: Mods do not troll. Even if you do not understand their actions, they're just doing their jobs.
Until they reveal themself by pinning everything...
2:11 AM
@Dennis These stars are very important.
@ Golfmastah: Wrong! Justification: @Wrong is a troll 100%
Oh I see.
Q: Convert a number to Hexadecimal

Random GuyChallenge Here's a simple one. Write a function or program when given a number in base 10 as input, it will return or print that number's value in Hexadecimal. Examples 15 -> F 1000 -> 3E8 256 -> 100 Rules No built-in Hexadecimal functions whatsoever Letters may be lowercase or uppercase ...

I keep forgetting that Jelly base conversion is a little weird
2:16 AM
Base conversion is banned anyway.
Sort of.
> No built-in Hexadecimal functions whatsoever
Oh it is.
RIP hopes and dreams
Damn Dennis is too fast
@Dennis I once had a lecturer who taught that "no gentleman would consider 0 a natural number" and gave no explanation beyond that...
2:30 AM
@trichoplax I guess that makes me not a gentleman...
I feel ashamed of myself.
@trichoplax But it is one. Because math.
@quartata There's no shame in not being gentry. Regarding 0 as a natural number however...
I sense a holy war over natural numbers brewing
Also @SuperJedi224 you whipped out that Turing Machine solution really fast
My opinions on this depends strictly on the subject I'm teaching.
I don't actually have a strong opinion - that was just a joke...
2:32 AM
@quartata I've done base conversion on a turing machine before.
Really fun to watch it count up
@SuperJedi224 For some reason that makes it sound like someone brought you the Turing machine for a tune up...
Although on that online interpreter it doesn't seem to stop
2:35 AM
It's a bit slow for large inputs.
Apr 5 '14 at 16:46, by Synthetica
Btw, does anyone know if chess KOTH has been done before?
But it already counted past the correct number
Is it supposed to do that?
I tried it for input 18
It works for me.
I just tried it for a smaller input and it worked
Just ran it again for 18 and it worked
That was weird...
After changing the input, you need to click reset before you run it
2:40 AM
@quartata Mutiple people can post answers in the same language
Not that anyone should answer that challenge in Jelly.
String manipulation is still very much WIP.
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

DoᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛWhere is the number in Pi? In this challenge you will be given an integer, and your program will determine whether or not it exists in Pi. Because pie is usually cut into 8 pieces, your code will need to be as short as possible Examples 3 1 99995374 We don't goat enough pi Will add mo...

@trichoplax so no one knows?
Hm, 26 bytes with the testing branch.
2:59 AM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ There are a dozen chess posts in the sandbox, several of which are KotHs
Sorry forgot the link...

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