The Nineteenth Byte

phase

7:00 AM

but why the #hashtag? who uses hashtags when they're not on twitter?

Alex A.

@Optimizer ಠ_ಠ Best not be sayin' stuff like that.

quintopia

@El'endiaStarman "Joe-Peeg"

Optimizer

@AlexA. its only for mods

Alex A.

That doesn't make it better :P

Optimizer

IKR :P

Sock

7:00 AM

Hello, everyone!

quintopia

whose sock is sock again? :P

Alex A.

@Optimizer Seriously though, best not to post stuff like that at all.

@quintopia Yours?

@phase bikeshed

Optimizer

@AlexA. I know, it was supposed to be very dark humor.

El'endia Starman

>>> "123.45".isdecimal()
False
>>> help(str.isdecimal)
Help on method_descriptor:

isdecimal(...)
    S.isdecimal() -> bool

    Return True if there are only decimal characters in S,
    False otherwise.

quintopia

@Optimizer @AlexA. it's kind of annoying to have an extended discussion about a comment we can't see

El'endia Starman

7:01 AM

...is 123.45 not decimal?

Alex A.

@El'endiaStarman No

phase

@El'endiaStarman the .?

Optimizer

@quintopia muwahahahahaha

phase

@Optimizer u evl warlord

El'endia Starman

@phase But I have .isdigit() too...

Which, incidentally, is also False for 123.45.

phase

7:03 AM

isdigit checks one digit, like 8 or 9, but not 89

Alex A.

s.isdecimal() --> All of the characters in s are valid base 10 digits

quintopia

Digits include decimal characters and digits that need special handling, such as the compatibility superscript digits.

El'endia Starman

>>> "123".isdigit()
True
>>> "123.45".isdigit()
False

quintopia

I see no difference between isdigit and isdecimal, but I don't have a Python 3 install to test on

El'endia Starman

Quick Google:

10

Q: .isdecimal() and .isdigit difference example

Reading python docs I have come to .isdecimal() and .isdigit() string functions and i'm not finding literature too clear on their usable distinction. Could someone supply me with code examples of where these two functions differentiate please. Similar behaviour: >>> str.isdecimal('1') True >>>...

quintopia

7:05 AM

ah, apparently isdecimal includes some other characters

all of unicode which can be digits

Alex A.

Such interesting

phase

@El'endiaStarman I think it's arguing that . is not a number

Alex A.

phase

@AlexA. I bring up bananas one time.....

quintopia

why do avatars appear larger when you are posting an SE link?

or is it that they appear as large as the can depending on available space?

no

El'endia Starman

7:09 AM

@quintopia Because the onebox takes up enough vertical space that the avatar and name get larger.

Alex A.

quintopia

they appear larger as the number of lines of your message increases

El'endia Starman

It can also be done by sending four lines of messages.

1

2

3

quintopia

but it can't be done by posting an image

because that's only one line

El'endia Starman

Four lines to include network rep too.

Apparently so.

Sock

7:10 AM

I want to see my network rep
2
3
4

El'endia Starman

Wow, that's pathetic. :P

Sign up for more sites!

Oh wait, you have to get to 200+ on one site...

quintopia

what does that get you?

El'endia Starman

+100 bonus on every network site for being trusted.

Sock

200+ rep gets you 100 rep on all sites

quintopia

ah

Alex A.

7:12 AM

Or just click your name next to one of your messages and click your chat user profile

It shows your network-wide rep

quintopia

which means you instantly get all the main privileges on all sites?

El'endia Starman

I.e., SE has a fairly good reason to expect you know how SE sites work, so they give you the lower privileges right away.

101-rep privileges, yes.

Downvoting is 125 rep, which I think was a brilliant decision on their part.

quintopia

lol, i think the whole rep thing in its entirety is stupid, though it surely made sense back then.

Alex A.

Why do you think that?

quintopia

because quora doesn't need it. they even phased out credits in favor of a more machine-learning-based approach

El'endia Starman

7:15 AM

Quora has an entirely different model.

quintopia

indeed.

El'endia Starman

Quora is for consumption, Stack Exchange is for answers to problems.

quintopia

quora is frequently used for answers to problems.

El'endia Starman

Yeah, but it's not particularly designed for that.

Very few answers are objective, and so far as I know, there is no "duplicate question" functionality.

Alex A.

quintopia

7:16 AM

There are differences in design decisions, but it's not clear what makes particular design decisions tilt it one way or another

There is "Merge questions"

Chris Jester-Young

@El'endiaStarman Yes, there is.

El'endia Starman

Oh, I've not seen it.

quintopia

which puts the answers from duplicate questions under the most popular/best worded version

(the merger can choose)

El'endia Starman

(Granted, my only consumption of Quora is their twice-a-week reader's digest.)

(Speaking of which, I hate how they clear out the URL.)

Chris Jester-Young

@quintopia Are you a regular contributor to Quora? I should follow you.

quintopia

7:18 AM

Sure

I come and go

mostly answer math questions

Chris Jester-Young

I mostly answer programming questions, and now, questions about Stack Overflow the company. Lol.

phase

Hey guys check out my new site file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Phase/Desktop/tryitonline/index.html

quintopia

@El'endiaStarman there are some things i hate about their user interface

Chris Jester-Young

@phase Are you trolling us?

quintopia

lol

Alex A.

7:19 AM

@ChrisJester-Young Always

quintopia

well i snickered

so it worked

Alex A.

@phase Will links to C:\ be the new localhost? :P

Chris Jester-Young

@quintopia Cool. quora.com/Chris-Jester-Young ;-)

phase

-4

A: The Many Memes of PPCG

Meme: http://localhost Origin: Phase testing his web IDE Cultural Height: It was funny for like 2 days Background: I was locally testing my web IDE for O and thought it would be a good idea to post a link in chat to http://localhost/. Everyone thought it was hilarious and praised me for my dan...

quintopia

@ChrisJester-Young quora.com/profile/David-Rutter-2

phase

7:20 AM

@AlexA. I sometimes use my F drive, so not always

Chris Jester-Young

@quintopia Cool, I'll add you when I'm next on my personal computer.

@phase A negatively scored meme is not a meme. :-(

phase

@ChrisJester-Young It can be if I want it to

Chris Jester-Young

@phase Who died and made you king? :-P

phase

@ChrisJester-Young I executed Dennis and he spread malicious code all over SE, so I'm in charge now

Alex A.

D: not dennis oh god

Chris Jester-Young

7:24 AM

Wonderful. :-/

phase

Please compare Dennis' site or my new design (ofc not done yet)

Optimizer

@phase lol nothing like that happened., Please stop basing memes on your imagined version of reality.

phase

@Optimizer alex thought it was funi

Optimizer

@phase both are eww imo

phase

@Optimizer please help me in my time of need

Optimizer

7:25 AM

@phase well, sorry to break it down for you but alex-is-wrong

quintopia

how do you embed the tags?

Optimizer

magic

quintopia

i'm a magician. it's okay to reveal your secrets.

Alex A.

status-declined

Optimizer

@quintopia if you were a magician, you would not have trouble reading the deleted message ;)

quintopia

7:29 AM

well if you'd say "modgic" i would not have claimed to be a mod

Optimizer

magicians should supercede mods

i agree.

No

alex-is-wrong

magicianship-confirmed

Optimizer

7:35 AM

Chat mini challenge - converse only using starred messages..

5 hours ago, by Mego

@mınxomaτ Start with a flamethrower

quintopia

in Esoteric Programming Languages, Nov 16 at 22:31, by Martin Büttner

only the good ones

Alex A.

42 mins ago, by Optimizer

its an yearly phenomena

phase

9 mins ago, by Optimizer

alex-is-wrong

Alex A.

50 mins ago, by Alex A.

Phase's opinion is supreme law

That wasn't starred

phase

thanks for breaking the chain

El'endia Starman

7:43 AM

I now have case-changing! :D

Optimizer

blame search

aditsu

what's up with the bananas? :p

El'endia Starman

blame Alex

Alex A.

Did someone say bananas?

aditsu

@AlexA. bananas

Alex A.

7:46 AM

Oh shit, someone said bananas

aditsu

abstrusegoose.com/364

aww no onebox T_T

Alex A.

Can confirm, isn't word

quintopia

IS FRUIT

aditsu

it's a berry (seriously)

unlike strawberries (seriously)

Alex A.

No

phase

7:49 AM

view that @ jadonfowler.xyz/tio

aditsu

interpreter clone?

phase

@aditsu Redesigning Dennis' cjam.tryitonline.net

aditsu

so.. clone of interpreter clone?

Optimizer

why don't try material design? Everyone loves that™

Sock

How do you publish a website with tryitonline.net ?

aditsu

7:51 AM

who is Every?

Optimizer

@Sock such a drama queen. Its your owner's website itself.

@aditsu Every Lavigne?

get it?

Sock

@Optimizer But seriously, how do you post a website with tryitonline.net?

phase

@Sock ask Dennis

aditsu

@Optimizer hmm that would work better with double L

Optimizer

read it faster ;)

phase

7:54 AM

@Dennis You likey? jadonfowler.xyz/tio source

oh guys it's almost Thankgiving in Turkey

aditsu

Avril Lavigne - Hello Kitty

►

Optimizer

@phase wow, a back to top link on a site which is not even half a page ? :P

phase

@Optimizer where?

Optimizer

main site

Alex A.

@phase Refactor to remove all the tabs

phase

7:56 AM

@AlexA. I already did :P

El'endia Starman

Number <--> string conversion! :D

Alex A.

@phase It's still in the JavaScript

Sp3000

@El'endiaStarman That localhost.

phase

@Optimizer It's mostly for the bigger pages, I'm using a templating system

El'endia Starman

@Sp3000 Did I really? CRAP. I even pushed it first!

phase

7:58 AM

@El'endiaStarman you cheeky wombat

El'endia Starman

[whistles nonchalantly] (It's fixed.)

phase

@AlexA. fixed

Sp3000

Wrong person, but good to know anyway :)

@El'endiaStarman You sneaky little mods

phase

@Sp3000 I'm glad you like it <3

[putting things in brackets is fun]

El'endia Starman

@Sp3000 I think the edit was within the time limit anyway... :P

Okay, I'm off to bed.

G'night all!

Sock

8:00 AM

Good night!

o/

Good morning!

12:04am

lel, "good night" and "good morning" at the same time :P

aditsu

good bananas!

2

speaking of that...

Gwen Stefani - Hollaback Girl (Dirty Version)

►

Pharrell is in there too, apparently :o

Alex A.

8:08 AM

"Dirty version"?

aditsu

that only means uncensored lyrics

Alex A.

Oh, okay

aditsu

she says "shit" like, over 9000 times

Κριτικσι Λίθος

PG-99

Alex A.

The shit is OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!

phase

8:10 AM

no it's exactly 9000

aditsu

@AlexA. that's bananas!

Alex A.

Bananas?

BANANAS?!

phase

stole my pun but you know whatever it's fine it's not like anyone found it funny when I said it anyways

aditsu

yes, b-a-n-a-n-a-s

Alex A.

o

phase

8:11 AM

that's my language

What is it called when you divide two numbers and they don't come out to a whole number?

aditsu

@phase what pun? I haven't seen any punanas

@phase remainder

let me translate those 2 Chinese characters on the sports field floor...

phase

what is another name for "Basic arithmetic?"

aditsu

... 原宿 - google says "Harajuku" ?!

oh, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harajuku_Girls

phase

gwen stefani ;-;

aditsu

why are you crying?

phase

8:21 AM

they are tears of joy

aditsu

ah, ＼（＠；◇；＠）／

Alien G

;U;

phase

if you concatenate hi and 5, you get hi5

aditsu

orly?

Sock

Bye

aditsu

8:25 AM

@phase heh, I used that too: sourceforge.net/p/cjam/wiki/Basic%20operators/#2-concatenate

phase

@aditsu o.readthedocs.org/en/latest/the-basics.html#input-as-a-number

aditsu

?

phase

@aditsu I used the same example

well, different context

aditsu

ah, just noticed it now

phase

@aditsu Have you seen o.c?

aditsu

8:37 AM

no

Alien G

strawpoll.me/6069601

Optimizer

you can turn zeddicus to acronym?

Alien G

I'll just keep running it through acronym-maker.com and piece it together.

quintopia

9:02 AM

I vote for Rank Reeky Redolent Graveolent Mephitic Miasma

or just Fetid. Fetid is fun to say.

FETID FETID FETID FETID

(There's no point in picking just Zeddicus. It's not cool without the rest of the name. ZEDDICUS Z'UL ZORANDER. it just flows...)

Optimizer

you mean XUL?

quintopia

(hence my remembering it after all these years)

quintopia

9:21 AM

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Golf a Purple Interpreter Purple is an esolang which is designed with two main purposes: To be a minimization of Aubergine, since there just aren't enough self-modifying one-instruction languages around. To admit the possibility of terrifyingly small golfed interpreters. My first pass at a rea...

New Sandboxed Posts

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Golf a Purple Interpreter Purple is an esolang which is designed with two main purposes: To be a minimization of Aubergine, since there just aren't enough self-modifying one-instruction languages around. To admit the possibility of terrifyingly small golfed interpreters. My first pass at a rea...

quintopia

oh didnt realize there was a bot for that

flawr

10:15 AM

@quartata I wish someone told me that sets aren't doors a few years ago.

Stefnotch

10:53 AM

How do you add syntax highlighting to your answer again?

Optimizer

magic

facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006698409833

VoteToClose

<-- begin snippet lang-js --> or something?

I've never used a language that's viable for that.

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0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

I like to move it move it King Julian needs to get through the jungle, but he's feeling lazy. He wants a computer to be able to calculate a route through the jungle for him. Using STDIN get a map of the jungle for the computer to crack. It will follow the following format: 01001E 010110 000P00...

Agawa001

11:13 AM

@flawr i think Bas has been denoting bitshift not bitrotate

emmm , this was above^^ is delicious

VoteToClose

^

flawr

@Agawa001 So "bitshift" is a well defined word used consistently everywhere? =D

Agawa001

11:39 AM

@flawr no, but I think using bitrotation gives entrance to more competition as I guess im not the only one who thinks so

i tried many testcases with his proposed emulator, come out with the fact that the operation taken in count is lossy shifting

VoteToClose

12:14 PM

Let's all admire the beauty that is this question:

23

Q: Typeset the shrug ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ emoji

I'm completing a problem set, one problem for which I literally have no idea what to do on. The graders would prefer to have a physical copy of the problem so I thought it best to include the ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ emoji as my answer, instead of something like "Dunno" or "No idea." Option #1 is to include an...

unicode characters

VoteToClose

12:59 PM

And this one:

30

Q: Which NPCs share my love of eating dead NPCs?

After butchering a couple dozen Raiders, my health was low & I started working up quite the appetite. So naturally, I decided to eat a few of the Raiders. However, my companion did not share my enthusiasm and very pretty disgusted by it. Later that day, I saw one of my settlers get brutally mur...

fallout-4

2

VoteToClose

1:49 PM

And another thing - I just realized that I can bracket out different variables in objects by NaN. :D

Dennis

2:09 PM

@phase That looks neat. :) Thanks!

Doorknob

2:43 PM

346

Q: How can I tell if a corpse is safe to eat?

I am a human wizard, and I just killed a monster, leaving a corpse on the ground. How do I tell whether it is safe to eat this corpse? I leave the monster unspecified because I am interested in "how can I figure out whether this is edible," rather than whether any particular monster is edible. L...

nethack

referring to the superior game, of course

VoteToClose

@Doorknob (~-.-)~ Fallout trumps all.

Dennis

Having LZMA finally paid off:

0

A: "99 Bottles of Beer"

Bubblegum, 474 bytes 00000000: e02de601d25d001ce07cc46f3a26b205c864c02a139d .-...]...|.o:&...d.*.. 00000016: 166e795c307826823b392997b956fbc8b6c350ce248e .ny\0x&.;9)..V....P.$. 0000002c: 1071a7cb6e24ab42a254bbe0a8be43ad25d657dd967a .q..n$.B.T....C.%.W..z 00000042: 258b807b20b4ceba00a9918ae3e3...

Doorknob

Haha, I was waiting for a Bubblegum answer on that question.

VoteToClose

3:03 PM

@Doorknob I just realized how ~~evil~~ eval my name sounds to new users. xD

New Main Posts

0

Q: Can a weak entity have a subclass?

I'm modeling a Entity-Relationship-Model. Can a weak entity have subclasses? It's very important for me to know that. Please help me. A

data-structures

Dennis

@VoteToClose It's somewhere between VoteUp and FlagAsSpam.

VoteToClose

xD FlagAsSpam is going to be my next one.

I see bad acronyms in my future, though.

Holy crap. xD

wordsmith.org/anagram/…

Doorknob

3:21 PM

Ugh. I want to make a Perl-based golfing language, but the names "Oyster," "Clam," and "Mollusk" are all taken >.<

And Pteriidae just doesn't have the same ring to it...

VoteToClose

RazorClam?

Might be too British, but eh. Razor clams are cool. :D

Optimizer

3:45 PM

RZam?

Bivalve?

Torque?

Knit?

Portal?

Any mathematica users here?

VoteToClose

3:53 PM

I wanna make a Vitsy test space online... I was thinking a c9 workspace. Never used JavaScript, is there a way I can do this fairly easily?

Κριτικσι Λίθος

@VoteToClose Use GitHub's gh-pages to publish your website for free

VoteToClose

o-o Still doesn't help me with running the code from the page.

That's the only thing I need to worry about.

Κριτικσι Λίθος

I'm sorry, I still didn't get you. Running code from which page?

VoteToClose

I'm going to host a virtual machine from c9 that will run Vitsy programs online, accessible to the public. However, I don't know how to do system events like that.

Or JavaScript in general.

Κριτικσι Λίθος

4:12 PM

So you want to create an online interpreter just like CJam and Pyth? Or do you want to run Vitsy using Java online?

Optimizer

4:25 PM

Online.java?

TheDoctor

4:41 PM

woof

Κριτικσι Λίθος

@TheDoctor Is it your dog?

TheDoctor

yup

Κριτικσι Λίθος

no comment

TheDoctor

2

A: Leap for Leap Seconds!

8086 machine code + DOS, 92 bytes Hexdump of the code: BE 3A 01 B1 57 D1 E0 75 03 AD EB F9 72 09 50 BA 47 01 B4 09 CD 21 58 BB 50 01 81 77 FC 01 04 80 37 01 80 3F 31 74 10 83 EB 05 4B FE 07 80 3F 3A 75 05 C6 07 30 EB F3 E2 CC C3 AA 2A 77 B5 6A DD DF B6 BE FF 7D BF 31 39 37 32 2D 30 36 2D 33 30 ...

codegolf.stackexchange.com/posts/61746/revisions

Κριτικσι Λίθος

> pointy ears

lel

VoteToClose

5:14 PM

@ΚριτικσιΛίθος I want to run a virtual machine to run it for the user. :P

Κριτικσι Λίθος

@VoteToClose I only understood what your intention was after googling for "virtual machine" :P
But no, I don't know how to create or run a virtual machine.

VoteToClose

I already have it running. :P

I just need to tie the JS events to running the program.

Κριτικσι Λίθος

By events do you mean onClick events?

VoteToClose

No, like, telling the virtual machine to run the code.

I have no intention of turning Vitsy into JS. Just running the code locally on the virtual machine.

Κριτικσι Λίθος

Well, if you do figure out a solution later, please tell me. I would be delighted to learn how it is done.

Optimizer

5:27 PM

@VoteToClose every heard of network calls or API ?

also, your local server need to have a fixed IP for that.

otherwise, you are are highly mistaken

VoteToClose

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't do networking stuff.

Optimizer

did you take that part seriously when I reply "magic" ?

VoteToClose

Yes. :D

I think that magic is an essential component of networking.

2

Any pointers to some basic API for that?

Just running a command whenever somebody hits "enter" should do. XD

Κριτικσι Λίθος

Or running the command whenever somebody clicks on the "Run" button

VoteToClose

^ That thing.

Optimizer

5:35 PM

well, if you get it working via magic, do let me know too

Κριτικσι Λίθος

You should probably practice on the Ancient Language to get the magic started

VoteToClose

var exec = require('child_process').exec, child;

child = exec('cat *.js bad_file | wc -l',
    function (error, stdout, stderr) {
        console.log('stdout: ' + stdout);
        console.log('stderr: ' + stderr);
        if (error !== null) {
             console.log('exec error: ' + error);
        }
    });
 child();

\o/ Magic!

(node.js)

Optimizer

5:50 PM

its not even close to magic

Κριτικσι Λίθος

6:02 PM

Anything server-side is magic to me :)

El'endia Starman

6:22 PM

@VoteToClose: Maybe @Dennis would be willing to do vitsy.tryitonline.net for you.

VoteToClose

@El'endiaStarman :o Yes please. xD @Dennis

El'endia Starman

        tempPosition = self.position
        tempVelocity = self.velocity
        tempCurrChar = self.currChar

I love how they line up so nicely...

Nazek

That's kinda pretty

VoteToClose

> I'm CDO - it's like OCD, but in the right order.

flawr

DOC or COD?

El'endia Starman

6:28 PM

What's up, doc?

Chris Jester-Young

@El'endiaStarman tempPosition, tempVelocity, tempCurrChar = self.position, self.velocity, self.currChar

flawr

hoooraaaay Doorknob got 60 stars!!

El'endia Starman

OH! HEY! @Doorknob's message is at 60 stars!

flawr

^

El'endia Starman

@ChrisJester-Young Less pretty.

VoteToClose

6:29 PM

I noticed that a few minutes ago. xD GG, @Doorknob.

Chris Jester-Young

@El'endiaStarman Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Nazek

Hey PCG, I made a golfing language. It's like Lisp but less understandable. I'm still adding features at the moment.

github.com/Nazek42/arcyou

flawr

Is there a chart that shows the most starred messages at all over all SE chats?

El'endia Starman

@ChrisJester-Young Yeah, and the beholder here is the one writing it! :P

VoteToClose

@Nazek Actually already been to this page. :D

Chris Jester-Young

6:30 PM

@flawr There isn't, but employees can query such things.

flawr

We need to know.

Chris Jester-Young

The current highest number of stars on a message, across all three chat sites, is 72: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/7911815

Nazek

Not sure if I should be happy or sad.

flawr

12 more to go.

Everyone get their socks out and vote!!

quintopia

should i star it now?

flawr

6:32 PM

You have to!

Nazek

11 more!

flawr

PS: Do you know this game? laservex.com/play

quite addicting, but very often frustrating too.

Dennis

@VoteToClose Vitsy seems to require Java 8. I'll have to install that first.

VoteToClose

@Dennis I can compile it in Java 6, if you want. c:

Dennis

No, I need version 8 anyway. Ubuntu 14.04 still uses 7 by default though.

Nazek

6:38 PM

@flawr Aaand no hope of my term paper getting written

Chris Jester-Young

@Dennis Eh, who needs LTS anyway? :-P

quintopia

@flawr egad level 6

flawr

laservex.com/level/7004

@quintopia link?

Oh it seems I've been there before

laservex.com/level/335001

quintopia

@flawr that one like the same as level 5

Is it possible to rotate a laser?

flawr

Nope=)

quintopia

6:52 PM

I see no way to do that outside the box one. These where you have to use the same mirror repeatedly are the hard

flawr

try to make two that are almost parallel

that solve many of those challenges=)

El'endia Starman

@flawr That took a while.

Oh yeah, the box ones are super easy. Just align them so the laser bounces around a ton of times.

flawr

=)

This one is great

laservex.com/level/7294

El'endia Starman

Woah.

quintopia

I don't get it

El'endia Starman

6:58 PM

I managed to get the mirror perfectly vertical, and wow...cool...

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