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7:00 PM
This one is conceptually quite nice=)
needs some math=)
 
Yay I got the outside the box one
 
@flawr Got one mirror through and I'm not doing it anymore. :P
I prefer logic-y puzzles, like this one: laservex.com/level/11003
 
You can use your the keyboard to move the stuff!
 
But the solution is basically apparent!
It's not hard, it's tedious.
 
7:09 PM
Yeah, but just FYI=)
Sometimes I like tedious stuff=)
@El'endiaStarman But the one you poste is indeed a nice oen=)
Have you solved it?
 
not yet...
Also trying this one: laservex.com/level/18020
@El'endiaStarman Ah-ha! Got that one!
@El'endiaStarman Aaand just got this one! :D
 
7:26 PM
we need new graphical output challenges
I like this fortran feature
 
That is not really graphical output=(
Are you sure that these 'valid' examples are optimal?
 
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Q: Packing Circles

El'endia StarmanTake a look at this image. Specifically, at how the holes on the ends are arranged. (Image source) Notice how the pipes in this image are packed in a hexagonal pattern. It is known that in 2D, a hexagonal lattice is the densest packing of circles. In this challenge, we will be focusing on min...

 
7:41 PM
@flawr Fairly sure.
 
No proof????
 
Find a better one and I'll fix it.
 
Thats an attitude.
 
@speedyninja ping
hmm Mods, superping that please..
 
@Optimizer Why?
 
7:44 PM
@ChrisJester-Young he's not autocompleting, so he would need a superping to get a notification, I assume.
@speedyninja - wrt your suggested edit - I thin the snippet 8,9 and 10 are a bit forced.
 
@Optimizer That's not what my question is about. My question is why you'd need to summon them to chat.
I mean, feedback about suggested edits can be given when you reject them.
 
@El'endiaStarman Just found out something interesting about this problem (probably well known, but I didn't know it before=), wanna hear?
 
First, I'm gonna apologize: one of the "invalid" examples with 9 circles was actually valid. I've fixed it.
That said, sure!
 
(PS: You should probabliy clarify that the circles MUST be on a hexagonal grid.)
 
> Note that I am ignoring the additional pi units that the actual perimeter would be because I'm only looking at the circles' centers, not their edges.
> The circles should be on a hexagonal lattice.
Should I change that "should" to "must"?
 
7:52 PM
@ChrisJester-Young even if i like half of the edit?
 
Yes
Well the above example also has the same circumference as your 'valid' 8-circle solution (I know this one is not valid for your challenge, but just for illustration purposes=)
 
Yeah, that's cool.
 
@Optimizer There is an "Edit" option where you can keep only that half.
 
So as long as the the outer circles form a convex chain, the rubberband touches all of them and has always the same length.
 
7:54 PM
As the green parts (no matter the number of circles in this chain) always sum up to one whole circle circumference=)
 
@ChrisJester-Young improve edit does not send back feedback to the user. does reject and edit send feedback and apply the edit ?
 
Ah, stuff it. I'll send the superping for you.
@SpeedyNinja ^
 
@ChrisJester-Young thanks!
 
I'm trying to do something with netcat and failing...
Typical
Does anyone here know how to netcat effectively?
 
8:17 PM
Hey guys
 
hey guys
hello all!
 
@TanMath 'Hoy
 
I have a question about some code I have
Here is the code for the Starman challenge:
from scipy.constants import*
from numpy import*
n = input()
def s(n):
    s = int(sqrt(n))
    return s*s == n
if (arccosh(n/2)/(log(golden))).is_integer() or (arcsinh(n/2)/(log(golden))).is_integer():
    if s(5*n*n - 4) or s(5*n*n + 4):
        print "Travis"
    else:
        print "Lucas"
elif s(5*n*n - 4) or s(5*n*n + 4):
    print "Ness"
else:
    print "Pippi"
 
What's your question?
 
Every case except when the number is only a Lucas number doesn't work... why?
 
8:19 PM
I really don't know.
 
@SuperJedi224 ok.. I wasn't talking to you specifically... I was talking to everybody.. if somebody knows, that will be great
 
Not related to your question but I think it might be shorter to calculate the golden ratio and assign it to a variable than to import it from scipy
 
@quartata ok.. thanks for the advice...
 
So the problem is that the pure "Lucas" case doesn't work?
Lemme see here
 
yes
To determine if it is a Lucas number, I used the following info from OEIS:
> Suppose psi = log(phi). We get the representation L(n) = 2 * cosh(n* psi) if n is even; L(n) = 2 * sinh(n * psi) if n is odd.
I just solved for n and checked if it was an integer...
 
8:22 PM
Is there a gamrule for disabling mob spawners?
 
so?
any idea about what is wrong?
 
8:43 PM
@quartata what did you see?
slow today, huh?
 
whoa...extra slow!
 
Sundays are usually like that. Most of our members seem to have a life. :P
 
@Dennis oh.. 'cause every other day makes it seem people over here don't have a life!
 
Yes, that's what makes it remarkable.
 
8:58 PM
I try to pretend I have no life sometimes.
It makes life more enjoyable
 
@Dennis Speak for yourself! :P
 
Well, all people that are in chat right now are obviously excluded. :P
 
Brian Tompsett probably has a life and just silently exists in here. The world will never know.
 
googles Brian Tompsett
This guy?
 
Yes
He's always in here
And never says anything
 
9:11 PM
Oh, yes. I see him.
 
The Google Translate Community is a really neat initiative.
 
I was experimenting with numbers and I just found that the ninth root of 29809 is surprisingly close to pi. The ninth root of 29809.0993335 is even closer.
 
Curse you, Vitsy and Seriously...
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0
A: "99 Bottles of Beer"

DennisCJam, 149 148 146 144 138 137 bytes 00000000: 39 39 7b 5b 27 2c 22 18 76 7f de 3d 9a ea e1 3a 99{[',".v..=...: 00000010: 3d a3 ef 43 38 d8 30 3e 61 22 7b 32 35 39 62 32 =..C8.0>a"{259b2 00000020: 36 62 27 60 66 2b 27 60 53 65 72 29 65 75 5c 2b 6b'`f+'`Ser)eu\+ 00000030: 7d 3a 44 7e 2b 27 2e 2...

 
@Dennis just looked at the leaderboard. I feel bad for you.
 
1. 0 bytes
2. 1 byte
3. 137 bytes
Pretty solid third place though.
 
9:15 PM
^
 
@VoteToClose The vertical spacing in your 99 bottles answer is off. vitsy.tryitonline.net/#code=&input=
 
@Dennis really like your solution btw. Also, I did not know that you could save blocks to variables and execute them like that, really neat.
 
Yes, those are CJam's "functions".
 
Actually that gives me an idea....
 
Some people...
 
9:22 PM
o.O
 
i must be go bet
 
@Dennis What do you mean?
 
@El'endiaStarman I thought a bit about your circle challenge, I think I would have liked it even more if you did not requre to find an optimal solution, but rather come up with an own algorithm that tries to find a solution that is good enough and is then rated on how well it performs (so no codegolf, rather like an algorithm challenge or so=)
 
@mınxomaτ uh
 
Secondly, how does tryitonline deal with major updates of languages?
 
9:28 PM
@flawr I had it in the Sandbox for three days and asked here in chat at least twice whether it should be or . (Admittedly, you weren't around those times.) No one responded.
 
presumably he rewrites the interpreter as needed :P
 
@VoteToClose At least for the catalog, there should be a blank line between verses.
 
@El'endiaStarman I don't blame you, I just wanted to let you know=)
 
@VoteToClose Until I have set up some sort of sandboxing, I'll have to do updates manually.
 
I mean, why would anyone else than Peter read the sandbox???
 
9:30 PM
@quintopia Actually, I'm fairly sure that he does it by calling the interpreter "from the command line", so language updates are no more complex than swapping out programs.
@flawr Peter did give me feedback on that question, incidentally. :P
 
@Dennis Alright. I'll slow down bug fix/lang updates, let you know when they happen.
 
cd /opt/Vitsy; git pull
 
is the proper place for things like "produce that shortest output that solves X"?
 
Incidentally, it doesn't seem like anyone has taken a crack at it yet. Perhaps it would be acceptable to change it?
 
@El'endiaStarman oh i thought he might need to rewrite the debug functions at least
 
9:31 PM
@El'endiaStarman And I think he is by far the one who most often sticks around in the sandbox.
 
@quintopia
 
Sorry.
 
@ChrisJester-Young Am I being called?
 
9:32 PM
@quintopia I'm fairly sure he's just piping STDERR, basically.
 
Replying would be a lot easier if the stupid page stopped moving...
 
@Dennis Hehe, no worries. I figured it out.
 
@Dennis Side note: updates with the language include class interaction. It's not necessary to add these. c: Does it treat them like files or like command line input?
 
@Dennis it's definitely a well-designed chat system!
 
@SpeedyNinja Not by me. @Optimizer wants to talk to you about one of your suggested edits.
 
9:33 PM
@Dennis And input is only through CLAs, there's no STDIN interaction.
 
@El'endiaStarman For now, that. In a couple of days, I'll add an option to activate the interpreter's debug mode (if it exists).
 
@Optimizer, did you want me?
 
@VoteToClose CLA are planned but not yet implemented.
 
/me thumbs up.
Coolio. Thanks a ton. :D I'm updating really soon for the 99 bottles fix, plus object interactions.
 
Thanks @Dennis for helping me shave off 32 bytes of of my cjam answer: codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/64474/36670
 
9:38 PM
Happy to help. :)
@VoteToClose When you need me to pull from the repo, just ping me. I'll see if I can CLAs working tonight. If not, I'll add an exception for Vitsy.
 
I'm just about to push to GitHub. c:
@Dennis Go ahead and pull, all changes should be updated. :D
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

VɪʜᴀɴAdjust your Chair code-golf Challenge You just bought a brand new chair! Problem is, you have no idea how to control it so you'll need to write a program to do it for you. You can only sit in the unadjusted chair for so long, so your code will need to be as short as possible, so you can qui...

 
@VoteToClose Famous last words.
 
^ Yuuuup.
 
@quintopia was it you who asked about the rot13 challenge?
 
9:54 PM
Interestingly, there's almost a game you can play with this: figure out what Dennis named the file! ` in Vitsy reads the filename as defined in the stack and gobbles up its whole data and pushes it to the stack.
It also makes a three character cheating quine: '`Z, if the name of the file is Z`.
 
@VoteToClose Done.
 
\o/
@Dennis Question: what's the name of the file that the code is in?
 
@mınxomaτ What the hell
 
@AlexA. I already have a folder for "Gems from GTC". But that is the weirdest one.
 
:D
 
10:11 PM
good nite guys
 
Good night!
 
@flawr bye!
hello all!
 
@flawr Cya!
 
did anybody try to help me fix the code?
 
Well, you'd know that.
 
10:14 PM
?
 
He means that if someone had tried to help you with your code, you would have known about it.
 
@AlexA. oh...
 
It is nice if someone helps you. But don't complain if you don't get any help.
 
No one helped... the thing was quartata seemed like he was going to help, then he dissapeared...
Might as well ask an SO question...
 
Then do so (?...).
 
10:16 PM
No one is obligated to help; it's all voluntary.
 
true...
@mınxomaτ going to do so now!
 
Everything is more productive than complaining. (Well except in politics :D ).
 
@mınxomaτ so?
This convo is going nowhere as far as I am concerned...
 
...
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

AdriandmenRestricted "Hello, World!" The task is very simple, output Hello, World! to STDOUT. The thing that makes this different are the rules: You need to provide a full functioning program, taking no input and outputting via STDOUT. The program must not write anything to STDERR The maximum amount of ...

 
10:18 PM
Where did you expect it to go?
 
^
 
@AlexA. ♫ somewhere over the rainbow...♫
Too many carrots!
 
@NewSandboxedPosts Just added some tag proposals
 
10:21 PM
My list of users who I thought would never use the reply button is shrinking! :O
First minxomat, then Reto, now SuperJedi...
 
I've used it before.
 
I'm just teasing ;)
 
@AlexA. They're scared of mice
 
Wireless mice look more like armadillos than mice.
5
 
@AlexA. 🐁_🐁
 
10:30 PM
@AlexA. Touchpad is too inefficient. I have to move both hands to click on the damn thing. Mentioning is faster.
 
@mınxomaτ Both hands...? How do you use your trackpad?
 
Left hand is in the way?
 
@AlexA. What? I type with both hands, so my hands are constantly hovering over the keyboard.
 
@Calvin'sHobbies I had to go full zoom to tell what that was. Is cute.
@mınxomaτ But why does using the trackpad require moving both of your hands? I only have to move one of my hands to use the trackpad on my laptop.
 
10:31 PM
@Doorknob I'd check it out, but I would have to click on the link. :)
 
ಠ_ಠ
 
@mınxomaτ Pentadactyl, fgit. Or cVim ,f<letter sequence that appears above link>.
For Firefox and Chrom{ium,e} respectively.
 
today is boring
 
Sounds like you need an activity. ;)
 
@AlexA. yes...
I do have a lot of activites to do anyway
Just don't want to do them
 
10:35 PM
Haha
 
For example, just for code golf related stuff, i have to do:
1. Finish my implementation of the gamma function in Seriously (though I have to ask Mego about some of the code)
2. Work on my new programming language
 
Note that you don't have to do anything for code golf. :P I figured you meant chores.
 
3. Write a Seriously implementation for the chemistry class challenge
@AlexA. true... I have chores too.. like taking quizzes, have to do homework, and do some coding for some projects...
@AlexA. Also, it is a self-imposed task to do all these code golf things.. I like to solve challenges...
I am happy my Pyth answer for the chemistry challenge got 2 upvotes. I was hoping people could give me advice on how to golf it down further, but didn't get any.
@Mego comes later in the day? I have several Seriously questions to ask him. But I will just spend some time looking at the commands.txt
End of my ranting of life
 
@SuperJedi224 creepy!
 
10:42 PM
@NinjaBearMonkey Hello 🏃🐻🐒
 
@NinjaBearMonkey Hi
 
Hey guys
 
@NinjaBearMonkey hello.. Nice to meet you @NinjaBearMonkey!
 
@TanMath That's what the inside of the minecraft mars base I'm working on currently looks like. The spawners on the left are endermen, the ones in the middle are creepers, and the ones on the right are blazes. That armor stand guy standing there is supposed to be an alien.
 
aaand we're back to no reply button :P
 
10:44 PM
@SuperJedi224 looks like a zombie of some type
@Doorknob I always use reply buttons!
 
@TanMath Yes, he has a zombie head.
 
@SuperJedi224 too creepy for me! :O
 
Although it's a bit hard to see from the angle shown above, there's a spaceship outside.
 
@NinjaBearMonkey Hellooooooo how are you?
 
any idea on how to golf the following Pyth code? (something that is actually on-topic!):
Js>z+xz"H"1;++++++"2"z%" + %d"-*J1.5 2"O2"%" > %d"J%"H2O + %d"-J2"CO2
 
10:49 PM
@AlexA. Helloooooo I'm just deciding if I should read through about 10 pages of transcript I missed
 
@NinjaBearMonkey don't! too hard!
 
4
Q: Find the Nested Source Codes (Cops)

EridanThis is the cops' thread. For the robbers' thread, go here. (link coming soon) Introduction For this Cops/Robbers challenge, the cops will write output-producing programs and interweave them together. It is the robber's job to pick apart the cops' programs to produce the desired outputs. Cop r...

 
@NinjaBearMonkey Haha probably not worth your time. :P
 
@AlexA. Summarize it in three words
 
11:03 PM
@NinjaBearMonkey Just some shit
 
applauds
 
@NinjaBearMonkey what, are you asking @AlexA. to do "English golf"?
 
@NinjaBearMonkey yep! hehehe...
 
@TanMath Non, faire du golf de français.
 
11:05 PM
BTW, is there even an interpreter for that language?
 
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Q: Find the Nested Source Codes (Robbers)

EridanThis is the robbers' thread. For the cops' thread, go here. Introduction For this Cops/Robbers challenge, the cops will write output-producing programs and interweave them together. It is the robber's job to pick apart the cops' programs to produce the desired outputs. Robber rules Robbers wi...

 
你们请都不说。
 
@AlexA. lemme guess... you are saying you are doing French golf!
 
中文太好了。
 
translate: 你们请都不说
(from zh-CHS) You don't say
translate: 中文太好了。
(from zh-CHS) Chinese is good.
 
11:06 PM
"Please, all of you, don't talk" and "Chinese is too good"
 
@TanMath Yes! I wanted to say that he wants me to do French golf but I can't remember how to say "he wants me to"
 
:P
 
The SE mod translate power uses Bing, so sometimes it says really dumb stuff.
 
@AlexA. I am good at understanding languages I never formally learned (except for some, like chinese, japanese, related)
@AlexA. wait, so you don't actually know French?!
 
@TanMath 日本語を話す?
 
11:08 PM
@AlexA. Il veut me faire?
 
Japanese something something something
 
@TanMath I kind of do. I did intensive French in college but don't remember most of it.
 
@AlexA. ?
 
You said you're good at understanding languages you've never learned
Oh I misunderstood, you said not Japanese
 
@AlexA. the characters must be in regular English (with accents allowed).. I cannot understand what those Japanese characters could possibly mean!
 
11:11 PM
In romaji, it's "Nihongo o hanasu?"
I haven't studied Japanese since high school. I really want to learn Tatar but the only person I know who speaks it is my grandpa and he lives far away.
 
@VoteToClose I'm not sure I understood the question. Do you mean the name of the temporary source code file?
 
@NinjaBearMonkey Il veut me faire du golf de français. <-- ?
 
@AlexA. C'est bon!
 
\o/
@NinjaBearMonkey Tu parles québécois?
translate: Il veut me faire du golf de français.
(from French) He wants me to french golf.
haha
 
@AlexA. un peu
 
11:19 PM
xu do se bangu la lojban
 
Is that Vietnamese?
@NinjaBearMonkey Comment tu aves appris le français?
 
It's Lojban.
 
Oh
What is that?
translate: xu do se bangu la lojban
(from Portuguese) Xu of bangu la lojban
Hm.
 
It's a constructed language based on logic
that's all I know and it's because of xkcd :P
 
Based on logic?
 
11:21 PM
Something like that
 
@TanMath Deru bingàr tî qàn?
 
translate: Deru bingàr tî qàn?
(from English) Deru bingàr tî qàn?
 
@Calvin'sHobbies what language is that in the first place?!
 
haha
 
@AlexA. It's completely unambiguous. Basically a computer could parse it.
 
11:22 PM
Interesting!
 
Yeah that
 
As in, its grammar rules have no special exceptions, there's no irregular anything, and there's generally only one possible meaning of a given sentence.
 
That's really neat.
 
@PhiNotPi Well there's the problem with it. Because there are so many words missing, the community constructs new grammar expressions to reflect "modern" words. Those new constructs are barely regular.
 
@Calvin'sHobbies I second TanMath. What language is that?
Is it Klingon? ಠ_ಠ
 
11:24 PM
@mınxomaτ yeah, there's not very much standardized vocabulary
Actually, a more technically correct version of my sentence might be "xu do se bangu le jbobau"
 
@AlexA. Tàlsi ef qö? haha
 
Oh I bet it's some kind of LoTR language.
Calvin loves his LoTR.
 
And there's a (actually not very useful) lojban -> english translator here: lojban.org/jboski/index.php
 
@AlexA. Sèo
 
@Calvin'sHobbies Khuzdul?
 
11:28 PM
 
I don't know what anything you're saying means
 
"yes" and "no" for the last two I presume
 
I'm scouring Wikipedia for examples of constructed languages by Tolkien.
Valarin?
 
Eldarin?
 
11:35 PM
My new sandboxed post:
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

TanMathSig-fig calculator As a scientist, sig-figs are definitely one of the most important parts of measurements and calculatations (unless you are a theoretical scientist, where everything must be exact!). Sig-figs is an important way of measuring uncertainty and accuracy of a value. To calculate the...

 
Perhaps this would be easier for me had I read any of Tolkien's books or enjoyed any of the LoTR movies.
 
Now I am going to check every 10 seconds to see if anybody saw my sandboxed post and gave me feedback! :p
 
@Calvin'sHobbies Is it Quenya or Sindarin? Because those are the only two that are coming to mind right now.
 
@TanMath Needs examples
 
11:42 PM
@NinjaBearMonkey yes.. but this one is in a calculator form, and much more difficult
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

TanMathSig-fig calculator As a scientist, sig-figs are definitely one of the most important parts of measurements and calculatations (unless you are a theoretical scientist, where everything must be exact!). Sig-figs is an important way of measuring uncertainty and accuracy of a value. To calculate the...

 
@TanMath I know, it's just something to take a look at.
 
What?
 
@AlexA. nothing
 
Alright then...
 
11:47 PM
just playing a trick on someone!
 
Man, this has been a slow weekend. I barely made 200 yesterday. Today I'm not even close...
Might be partially my fault for tinkering too much with TIO...
 

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