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7:00 AM
I'd be willing to write/flesh out the text of this challenge (tomorrow) if you want, since I really like the idea. :D You'd still post the challenge and OK what I write, and your images would still be used of course. — Calvin's Hobbies 17 mins ago
@Calvin'sHobbies: I'm perfectly fine with that. You are, after all, one of the best challenge writers on this site. :D — El'endia Starman 11 secs ago
 
I think one of the saddest parts of PPCG for me is all of the "competing programs" challenges (like the KotH challenges) that have such short lives.
 
@Mego That would be an invalid answer then. Changes (however internal) were made to the language.
 
I remember in the 90s being involved in various communities around games like that where competitions and tournaments ran for years, with an evolving metagame
 
Anonymous
@Calvin'sHobbies True. The more I think about this, the more I'm agreeing with the invalidity.
 
Anonymous
I wasn't necessarily for the answer being valid - it was just a thought that popped in my head that I thought was interesting enough to warrant discussion
 
Anonymous
7:07 AM
@Sparr I agree, the KOTH challenges are neat, but there's a good reason for giving them a definitive end date.
 
@Mego what's the good reason? what's wrong with KOTHs that run for years or decades?
 
Anonymous
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Anonymous
@Sparr Having to re-run the controllers indefinitely is a pain
 
Anonymous
7:09 AM
Especially for contests that take a non-trivial amount of time to complete
 
meh, only if you insist on a specific person running the controller
 
Anonymous
Which is typically the case
 
we had a discussion a while back about a hypothetical KotH where the "controller" was a system that let anyone run instances of the controller in a code snippet, and contribute results back to be aggregated
 
Anonymous
Hmm
 
Didn't @PhiNotPi work on something towards this sort of goal?
 
7:11 AM
I really want to optimize the "Cmpr" function in Marbelous
 
Anonymous
It would be interesting to set up a challenge where people submitted answers through pull requests to a GitHub repo
 
it's just a>b?1:a<b?-1:0
it's central to all the comparison operators
 
Anonymous
With a Heroku app set on auto deploy that runs the controller once per deploy, and displays the results
 
@El'endiaStarman clr plz
 
clr?
Oh, color.
 
Anonymous
7:16 AM
@El'endiaStarman I'm looking at Blitz's website - which version do I want?
 
@Mego Blitz3D.
 
Anonymous
@El'endiaStarman tanks
 
@El'endiaStarman Spifffy
 
code golf to implement the algorithm
later a pop con to make the b/w image that colors the best :)
 
Anonymous
7:18 AM
^
 
@Sparr I was thinking about that. I bet some fractals would make pretty neat images.
 
@Sparr Hmmm, not a bad idea!
 
Though it might be closed an art contest :/
 
@Calvin'sHobbies: Should I add that maze as another example?
 
Anonymous
How do I not have DirectPlay :/
 
Anonymous
7:23 AM
@MartinBüttner glad you're here, we need your opinion. What do you think of pudding and oatmeal (separately, not mixed together)?
 
@Mego Blitz3D install problem?
 
Anonymous
@El'endiaStarman Not really, it just made me install DirectPlay before it would open
 
ah, okay
 
Anonymous
Which is odd, because my DirectX install is up to date
 
Anonymous
7:24 AM
@MartinBüttner The one that's good, not the one that's blood
 
yeah, it's not bad? I don't have particularly strong feelings about pudding (or oatmeal).
 
Anonymous
@El'endiaStarman Where is the image saved?
 
@Mego Same folder as the code.
And the code should be saved to a file. If not, it's somewhere like C:\temp.
 
@MartinBüttner So is this true or not??
2 hours ago, by Calvin's Hobbies
@Mego He wears stoat coats on moat floating boats, eating oats with goats, gloating till he bloats.
@El'endiaStarman I might when I edit it
 
Anonymous
There it is. It didn't wanna appear for some reason
 
7:30 AM
Well, I could do it now really quickly...
 
@Calvin'sHobbies If it is, then I don't remember it.
 
Anonymous
 
Anonymous
Blank:
 
Anonymous
 
7:31 AM
Booo boring
 
marbelous is actually competitive!
 
:D
What it looks like when you don't have the white border:
Muy interesante!
 
Anonymous
 
Anonymous
It's Seriously cool, don't you think?
 
7:37 AM
......... ;)
 
Anonymous
I have learned to stop worrying and love the bomb puns
 
this page might make neat stuff
^ huge uncolored
 
Wow, my code was a lot faster than I expected.
 
7:46 AM
Lemme try again...
SE's image uploader refuses to work.
Trying Imgur now...
 
Anonymous
Looks like continents
 
It does...
 
No kidding. I immediately thought how it might be possible to morph this into a soution to Generate Realistic Maps
 
Anonymous
 
Anonymous
I should crop out the white borders
 
Anonymous
7:56 AM
 
Okay, I changed it from one full cycle to half a cycle. This is what I got for the previous example:
@Mego I think that looks even more map-like.
 
Anonymous
ooh
 
Anonymous
Can you change it to the other half of the cycle?
 
Anonymous
So that you get blues instead of reds?
 
Anonymous
7:58 AM
Then that would look like a really neat map
 
Anyone posted the maze thing from Visualising algorithms yet?
 
.....HOW.
 
@Mego Just shifted hue in paint.net
 
8:01 AM
@Sp3000 from what?
 
Oh, I think I know what he's taking about.
Yup, that.
 
Yup that indeed :P
(I was wondering where I saw something similar before and then I remembered)
 
Anonymous
@Calvin'sHobbies I mean like greens and blues
 
Anonymous
Like starting on green and going to blue, rather than starting on red and going to green
 
8:03 AM
 
Anonymous
That
 
It could be the US o.O
 
Anonymous
Yes
 
Anonymous
And that people is how you make continents
 
8:03 AM
... :( Ninja'd again...
 
Anonymous
@El'endiaStarman share the code?
 
@Mego I changed two lines.
dis2# = array(i,j)*180./maxDis+90

If array(i,j) <> 0
 
ooh.. colors! why?
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

El'endia StarmanHue, Hue Everywhere code-golf The Task Given an image that has only black and white pixels and an (x,y) location that's a white pixel, color the white pixels connected to the start based on their distance from the start, bending around corners as needed, and rotating through the color wheel fr...

 
With median noise
 
8:10 AM
cool!
 
with thingies adjusted
 
Wow.
Are you doing all this with an image processor?
 
Anonymous
 
@El'endiaStarman Yep
One more, polar inversion:
 
@Mego Wow...
I particularly like this one from the PPCG answer:
 
8:19 AM
user image
3
 
Anonymous
:o
 
BEST ONE YET.
 
Anonymous
Calvin wins, everyone else can go home now
 
My favorite too :)
 
Anonymous
Game over everyone
 
Anonymous
8:25 AM
@AlexA. oh my god somebody made this
 
Inverting the colors is also pretty awesome:
 
Anonymous
It's like the 70s are coming back for me
 
Anonymous
And I wasn't even alive in the 70s
 
9:19 AM
poor quality :/
 
9:59 AM
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

xnorOptional parentheses In text, parentheses can denote optional asides. These (often intrusive) additions can be read or skipped over, either option giving a valid sentence. Given a string with parentheses, possibly nested, output all possible readings where each parenthesized section may be omitt...

 
@Calvin'sHobbies That's the wrong watch me. This is the right one:
 
 
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11:04 AM
(。•́︿•̀。)
 
Why so sad @Optimizer ?
 
@flawr I am sad that I could not find a similar happy face smiley
 
11:24 AM
Oh boy.
 
too meta?
 
Huehuehue
@Calvin'sHobbies How did you deform it? It looks like f(z) = 1/z.
@Mego This looks darn cool!!!
 
12:15 PM
0
Q: Tips for golfing in Burlesque

mromanThis serves as a catalog for tips related to golfing in Burlesque. Burlesque is a lazy, esoteric programming language. It's mostly used on anarchy golf while popularity on Codegolf is not as high. However, this catalog is intended to be used by people golfing on anarchy golf as well. Please onl...

 
 
1 hour later…
1:24 PM
@Mego There's a KOTH server that I have.
 
1:49 PM
I'm working on revamping my Phigs golfing language project.
Here is a possible example of how it'll work now:
I"str"#X2+7L\^P     stack            explanation
              P     P                fancy print, takes 1 arg (1 -> 0)
             ^P     P ^              exponent, 2 args in, 1 out (2 -> 1)
            \^P     P ^ \            swap top of stack (2 -> 2)
           L\^P     P ^ \ L          lambda (2 -> 1)
          7L\^P     P ^ \ L 7        literal 7, first arg ("input") of lamba (0 -> 1)
           L\^P     P ^ \ L 7        lambda has 1 of 2 args
         + L\^P     P ^ \ L 7 +      add (2 -> 1)
^ x-post from the esolangs room
This would make it not really stack based anymore.
2 3\4+*  stack
      *  *
     +*  * +
    4+*  * + 4
     +*  * + 4
   \ +*  * + 4 \
  3\ +*  * + 4 \ 3
   \ +*  * + 4 \ 3
2  \ +*  * + 4 \ 3 2
   \ +*  * + 4 2 3
     +*  * 6 3
      *  18
Anther example.
I am considering reversing the written order of the program, if people think that makes it more readable.
 
Okay so I just found out that we have a thanksgiving "tree" made out of brown and green post it notes, and everyone at the company was asked to write something we are thankful for and stick it onto the tree. I'm going to let you guys decide what I should write.
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2:06 PM
@Rainbolt "I'm thankful for Java, for reminding me that there's always something worse."
 
"I'm thankful for being able to do things like this to prove how thankful I am."
"I'm thankful for all the trees that died to make these post it notes."
 
These are pretty good
One is a little too sarcastic though
 
How anonymous is it? ;)
 
Perfectly anonymous, but only because I am one of the last ones in the building most days
It'll be a drive-by, slap-it-on-the-tree kind of deal.
 
"I'm thankful I recently learned about the age-old tradition of Thanksgiving trees."
 
2:11 PM
"I'm thankful to live in a world where the biggest worry I faced today was what to write on a Thanksgiving tree."
2
 
^
 
The Java one was alright since we're a development company
 
"I'm thankful that I found a place to outsource my decisions."
 
Hey, I haven't used SO in a long time
I outsource to dba.stackexchange now
But only rarely
 
Oh, I was talking about this decision :P
 
2:17 PM
red pill or blue pill one?
 
I'm playing through FF7 right now and I need to choose my main party. Since it basically doesn't matter at all, help me decide :)
 
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Q: And all the people said…

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'BʀɪᴇɴObjective Given an input of text, perform the following actions: For every instance of Amen with at least one capital letter (so all instances of Amen excluding amen), output that same Amen (retain capitalization). For every instance of /all the people said[?: ]/i (that's a Regular Expression),...

 
@Geobits why are you playing through Firefox 7? That thing is extinct as dinosaurs!
 
Because I just finished IE4.
 
dayum
 
2:24 PM
@Geobits It said "Pick one or more" ... so I picked 'em all.
 
I suppose that's just as helpful as not choosing any. Thanks! :P
 
Good choice - safety in numbers.
 
It's dangerous to go alone.
 
Have a togepi
 
I'm not sure that a chat room on an esoteric code-golfing site is the best place to seek legitimate help with a made-up-on-the-spot straw poll regarding a video game. ;-)
 
2:28 PM
carrot
 
It doesn't need to be legitimate help. You can easily beat the game with anybody, and I've played through several times. I figured this was at least as good as rolling dice to decide.
 
> at least as good as rolling dice to decide.
That's debatable.
 
I'm on disk 3 of FFIX. I've settled on Amaranth, Steiner, Zidane, and Garnadagger.
 
As good as rolling Biased Dice.
 
Biased dice are dice too :)
@Rainbolt I was never a big fan of Steiner. I normally went with that party, but Freya there instead.
 
2:33 PM
Without Steiner: "Okay, you have high defense. Let's try fire. Dang, that healed you. Let's try lightning. Dang, killing people with only Vivi is really slow."
With Steiner: "Armor break. Kill."
 
Anyone but Eiko is fine, to be honest.
I can't stand her for some reason. Kinda like Hope in 13.
 
If Hope were a year older he'd be my favorite character
Who am I kidding... he's my favorite character
 
He's a whiny brat :D
 
Ugh, I couldn't get through 13
It just devolved into tedium.
 
Tedium? The game is the most straightforward game in the entire series until you reach the very end.
Zero missables and zero sidequests until you reach Calm Lands
 
2:39 PM
The missions at the end were an odd departure from the rest of the game for sure.
 
Straightforward, yes, but boring. It was essentially Final Fantasy: The Rail Shooter
Don't get me wrong, I like linear games (Halo, Uncharted, etc.), but ... gah
Not from a FF game
 
It was like "Okay, what's next? WTF, a single wide open area now? Now?!"
 
I was alright with it. I beat the game in 25 hours or so, then reloaded and spent another 15 hours doing side quests.
 
Yea, I did pretty much the same, but it was still weird.
It was just kinda like two separate games.
 
If you don't like the story, I can see how it would be tedious if all you can have is story.
 
2:42 PM
If you want pure story, try Xenosaga :/
 
I loved Xenosaga!
My uncle gave me that game when I was little along with Suikoden III
 
It wasn't terrible, but it was more of a movie than a game IMO.
 
@Rainbolt I think I stopped playing the moment I reached the first open map.
 
@MartinBüttner So.... an hour before the end of the game?
 
really?
 
2:43 PM
Really
 
I thought the game just got started...
 
Yea... that's the only real open map, and mostly skippable.
 
Cross the calm lands, beat the final boss. Alternatively, grind the open map for 15 hours (it is surprisingly huge) and then beat the final boss.
 
The appeal for me was "Holy crap there's a giant beast that put his foot down and killed me in one hit. I must defeat this thing."
 
2:46 PM
I like turtles.
 
Whoops, it's called Gran Pulse, not Calm Lands
 
Playing too much 10?
 
FFX -> Ni No Kuni -> FFIX (current)
Ironically, the first review on metacritic for 13 says, "The streamlined, focused structure eliminates potential tedium without dumbing anything down [...]"
 
Hmm, I might have to get Ni No Kuni out again after 7.
I bet my kid would like that one, too.
 
The combat system is my only problem with that game
 
2:50 PM
The handholding is my main problem with it. But if it's made for kids I can understand that.
 
@Rainbolt indeed, that's the one
weird
because I felt like a lot of the customisation options only just got unlocked at that stage
 
something i saw before the room reloaded:
 
flags as offensive
 
^_-
 
@MartinBüttner That's because your right. Even though it's almost to the end, it's by far the largest stage
 
2:51 PM
that's really odd pacing
 
Yep.
 
There's like a 100-150 side quests in and around the area.
 
anyway, at that point I had started using online guides for customisation, because I felt that the whole upgrade system was so complicated that you could have impossibly figured it all out by yourself without wasting massive amounts of resources
 
I know it's heresy, but XIII-2 was better for that.
 
@Rainbolt oh right, I remember something about these shards you could collect?
 
2:55 PM
@MartinBüttner I don't remember much about the synthesis
I remember farming dark matter for ages, but that's about it
 
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Q: Compile Regexes (By Substitution)

Christian IrwanYour task is to compile regexes... by giving substitution to the each character in regexes. Regexes. The regexes support these REGEX = (LITERAL REGEX / GROUP REGEX / STAR REGEX / ALTERNATIVE) STAR = (LITERAL / GROUP) '*' GROUP = '(' REGEX ')' LITERAL = 1 / 0 ALTERNATIVE ...

 
I got JRuby....I can run Ruby programs but JRuby closes itself when it is done...how do I stop that?
Oh, nevermind! I was using start jruby....
If I just type jruby, the output will be in my cmd window...
 
someone should probably give that regex challenge a rewrite. I think it's a nice and interesting challenge, but the broken English is making it hard to understand.
 
@MartinBüttner How come your English is pretty much perfect?
(I am asking because you live in Germany..)
 
3:11 PM
@Stefnotch Because English is obviously the superior language. Yeah! 'merica! fires gun into the air
 
LOL! :P (Well, it is easier that German..)
 
I got the impression most people in Germany have better English than most people in England
(that typo was accidental and not intended to be ironic)
 
Nov 5 at 21:51, by TimmyD
> English is weird, yes, but it can be understood through tough, thorough thought, though.
 
@Stefnotch Thanks. :) It's because you can't hear my accent. ;)
(It may also be because I spent the last four years living in London.)
 
LOL! (Well, I lived in the UAE for 3 years...my school had a German course. You should have heard the kids trying to talk in German! XD)
Oh, cool!
 
3:18 PM
@trichoplax I think there's a fair amount of selection bias there. ;) ... I don't think Germany is among the European countries with very good average English skills. (Partly because all English films and series are dubbed Germany... there's no exposure to English if you don't want it. It's probably part of the reason why also people from France, Spain and Italy tend to speak worse English than people from the Benelux countries or Scandinavia.)
 
> I don't Germany
You're ruining your English rep :P
 
I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
I feel like the "AMEN" challenge if going to be won by something with Negative score. -40 byte bonus it huge if you can get it.
 
@feersum I'm not sure what your comment has to do with either of my questions.
 
@MartinBüttner Interesting. My assumption was based on hearing from people who travel to Germany that they are not given the chance to practise their German due to German people insisting on speaking to them in English. Perhaps it's different in different areas...
 
3:21 PM
@trichoplax Yeah, it definitely depends on the area but also just generally on the people you're talking to.
 
@trichoplax I had that problem to some extent in Japan, too. It was mostly in the bigger cities, though. Out in the country it was all Japanese.
As much as you want to practice the local language, they want to practice yours as well :)
Sometimes it would end up with me talking in broken Japanese with them replying in broken English. Good times.
 
Slow communication, plus neither of you gets any feedback to learn from. Worst of both worlds... :)
 
@MartinBüttner
In Labyrinth...

32_"_:@

What is the stack supposed to look like at the end?
 
My accent has never matched my surroundings (or any surroundings) so occasionally people compliment me on my English even though it's my only language.
 
@trichoplax Feedback? No Japanese person I ever met was "rude" enough to correct a foreigner's Japanese unless feedback was explicitly asked for :)
 
3:25 PM
As an American, I'm always amazed and saddened that the percentage of people in America that know two (or more) languages is so very low. From the outside looking in, it seems like practically everyone in Europe speaks like two languages well and another five conversationally.
 
Part of it is that the US is large and virtually isolated from other languages (for the most part).
 
Well, all of us programmers know a ton of languages!
 
Oh, I understand the reasons -- doesn't mean that it's not sad.
 
True
 
(Though, I have to admit, I never heard anybody talking in Brainfuck..)
 
3:27 PM
Minus minus minus minus
 
@Geobits WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY TO ME?!
 
Could we worse. you could be trying to read WhiteSpace out loud
 
@TimmyD Can't say it for fear of flags, but it was one of the first things I learned in Brainfuck, if that helps ;)
 
Or Java. Just saying Hi would take an eternity!
 
> Why don't you come a little closer so my boot can hear you?
 
3:30 PM
@Stefnotch [32 0 0 0]
@trichoplax That sounds... frustrating?
 
@MartinBüttner I just find it amusing. Also people sometimes ask me where I'm from :)
 
@Geobits it sure looks like a four-letter word to me.
 
I have no idea what you're insinuating >_>
 
@MartinBüttner (Left you a message in the esoteric room)
 
> Sam: Percent sign, ampersand, dollar sign.
Max: And colon, semicolon, too!
What are you doing?
Sam: Swearing in longhand, asterisk-mouth.
 
3:43 PM
LOL!
 
3:53 PM
you sock! you mother father!
 
"Melon farmer" was always my favorite.
 
I've had it with these monkey-fightin' snakes on this Monday-to-Friday plane.
 
Tough crowd in game dev. I can't get a single star. I think Doorknob got to them first.
 

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