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7:00 PM
@Geobits I think its due to the font. Chrome/Chromium/IE/FF all render the same for me.
so maybe linux has a different font which limits something
and Mac users?
@Geobits s/7 FF//
7:05 PM
@aditsu Feel free to use whatever you want from my post. You already beat me anyway.
Dammit Dennis
@Dennis aww you give up so easily?
anyways, this is not "simply" outgolfing him
@aditsu I'm not giving up, I'm joining forces.
Q: Create an executable

Beta DecayChallenge Write a program, which creates a standalone executable file which takes a Fourier program (file extension .4) and compiles it to an executable. Source Your source code must contain only the following characters: ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz@#%&-+()*"':;!?,_/.][>

7:10 PM
ah, I was focusing on the 2nd part
@aditsu Well, to join forces, one of us has to incorporate bits of the other answer, and since you're currently ahead, it's only fair if it's you.
That's what I meant.
I'll think about it :p let me try to golf a bit more first


Discussion of the language, its development and golfing in it....
lol, there's a carrot language
7:17 PM
@VoteToClose It's impressive
I really didn't expect it to work. xD
watching Bob Ross..
The twitch chat is really annoying there
[hello world]-`` => 16 bytes - 16 * (1 - 2) = 16 - 16 = 0 bytes! XD
You might want to use the actual percentage. ;)
I want to make a language that can validly interpret a song's lyrics :P
7:21 PM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Does Simplex have wraparound capability?
@VoteToClose ish. I have a command that I've never used, it's called the mirror: |.
That little bugger reverses the command flow.
I'm removing it because it makes my life writing an interpreter hell.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ See: Shakespeare
@VoteToClose I know of it, I just don't like it.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ If you're writing in JavaScript, you can practically steal my method for this. :D
@VoteToClose You wrote your interpreter in javascript too? :D :D :D :D
7:24 PM
No, Java - but they're mildly readable between. I just used arrays to define the position of things.
Right XD
I'm mainly talking about the interaction of bracketed expressions.
Oh! So, like, loops with instruction pointer directional-specific functions?
If you were using brackets, [ starts while when coming from the left, ends from the right, no?
Yeah, that's right
I know I could add some functionality to do it, but its not worth it for a single command.
That mirror mocks me every day I see it in my docs. |
7:32 PM
@Dennis I matched your score for task 6, and it doesn't crash on the 2nd case :)
I think the CJam inventor has the right to outgolf anyone in CJam
30 mins ago, by Optimizer
anyways, this is not "simply" outgolfing him
both are valid
7:36 PM
"right" is not the same as "ability"
@aditsu but right doesn't matter if you aren't able
7:52 PM
TIL how to get ASCII codes from a string in R. Given a variable s containing a string, you do strtoi(charToRaw(s), 16).
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Why not just leave the functions always have the same affect? Then, it's the responsibility of the user.
The inverse is rawToChar(as.raw(n)) given an ASCII code n.
TIL no one cares.
I think people are more scared of you since your weird-worm starred message
It was a Lennipede
"Lennipede" is intended to be a portmanteau of "Lenny" and "centipede."
MINI-CHALLENGE: Make a program that outputs a Lennipede with size (from STDIN) that matches Alex's method of Lennipede generation.
8:01 PM
task 8: 35 -> down to 18 :D
@AlexA. btw, your gf watches one piece ?
@VoteToClose VTC as unclear. Define "Alex's method"
@VoteToClose My method of Lennipede generation was to find it on a really odd website dedicated to the Lenny face and copy/paste it here.
@VoteToClose It wouldn't work the way I've written it.
@Optimizer I don't think so because I haven't heard of it.
8:02 PM
Not nearly as useful as disapprovallook.com
@Optimizer From the starred message - but meh. I'll make an actual challenge out of this.
@VoteToClose ಠ_ಠ
:D Yup.
Object: Lennipede
8:04 PM
I have a feeling @Calvin'sHobbies will disapprove.
I should make a Geobits bot that tries and guess if approves of a statement
some words missing
I got a 503 from disapprovallook.com: Exceeded the maximum global requests per minute for crawlers or humans. What is my life.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Before you do that, try to guess if I approve of that statement.
<Geobits Bot> I disapprove.
8:06 PM
soo, "I approve this statement" vs "I approve of this statement" - which is correct?
I wrote the bot in English.
Ok, sounds like this bot may have at least partial success.
@Optimizer Both!
English is weird
then why would someone put an extra "of" in a ppcg chat?
Not as weird as German. (Sorry @MartinBüttner, @flawr, @mınxomaτ, @Dennis)
8:07 PM
I guess, Java Golfer?
@Optimizer Because they mean slightly different things. Nuance and all that.
IMO code bowling should be nuked off the face of the Earth.
and should replace it
8:08 PM
either i'm getting better at brainfuck or i'm getting better at finding challenges that won't be hard in brainfuck
Without the 'of' it's more of a personal approval of the sentiment expressed. With 'of', it can simply be approving it without agreement. Or at least that's the way I read it.
> won't be hard in brainfuck
Isn't everything hard in Brainfuck?
I find this difficult to believe.
8:09 PM
because its brainfuck?
and everything is difficult
there's a challenge on this site that ,[>.+<-] would be a valid answer to
An infinite loop is easy.
my answer is a lot longer because i chose to work with decimal digits instead of inputting and outputting byte values
^ valid brainfuck program?
8:10 PM
literally any file is a valid brainfuck program
Yes, but ; is a noop
So it will output a null byte
that centipede thing reminds me of an interview with Sarah Silverman :p
ok, then that represents my level at brainfucking
check the drawing next to her head
@aditsu saw level shit
straight out of 4chan
8:11 PM
fun fact about the ,[>.+<-] program: it uses every instruction in the language exactly once
saw? no, that's a different movie
On a more relevant note, something should really be done about the tag. The tag excerpt (sp?) is literally a joke. And I'm not sure it provides any meaningful context to a challenge as is. Might be better as or similar. Thoughts?
@AlexA. Vulcans?
Or Yoda, perhaps?
thinking about giving a link... better not ^_^
at least 3 users here are aware of what goes on in 4chan
8:13 PM
it's not about 4chan
@aditsu its not, but the starrers got the reference
I suppose it's fairly popular there, but I visit very rarely
4chan is not popular anywhere in general
popular among 4chan users
maybe among terrorists .. (from recent news)
8:16 PM
I was talking about that concept being popular on 4chan
(or whatever those are called)
oh! I assume every such concept is popular on some sub 4chan
anyway, it's heartwarming to see that drawing make it on national tv :)
> heartwarming
its a torture technique, not a drawing
Q: A regexp that does not match itself

Christian HenkelCan you think of a regular expression that does not match itself?

8:26 PM
My name makes me laugh every time I see this message. x.x
how about: [
@aditsu what flavour is that valid in?
oh, it has to be valid?
is it a regex if it doesn't compile? :P
ok, then \s
8:28 PM
@MartinBüttner Is that one of those "If a tree falls in a forest..." type of questions?
Protramming Puzzles & Code Golf. Pro-tramming. Seems like a big departure from our previous purpose. Are we now a professional streetcar operators organization?
@aditsu [] in ECMAScript. or \d
hi all
so.. the question is.. how can you usefully give a bounty for a catalogue question?
anyway, several have already been posted
hi @MartinBüttner
still amazed by the hours you put in here :)
8:30 PM
@Lembik Depends on the purpose.
@Lembik so am I...
Misread it. :D
@Lembik what kind of bounty exactly?
you know .. the bounty button
where you offer 50 rep for example
say I wanted to encourage more answers to codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/62426/…
which I do :)
because we need to know how to blit in every language :)
@Lembik You could offer a bounty for the person who submits answers in the highest number of languages that are shortest at the time the bounty expires
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

BrainSteelBrainCubed You are the proud maintainer of one of the smartest robots in the world. Well, it used to be. Now its speakers and microphones have been broken and the darn thing only seems to read Brainfuck. To make matters worse, it would appear most of its RAM... disappeared? This will be tough to...

8:45 PM
@Lembik I know what a bounty is. ;) I'm asking what kind of bounty exactly? :P Do you want more answers in a particular language? Do you want to encourage finding a shorter answer in a particular language? Do you want more languages? What exactly is the goal?
Lembik's goal: World domination
Eyo! I thought I'd try to write another challenge :D
What about?
8:51 PM
BF memory optimization, at its core.
@SuperJedi224 See sandboxed post above
jeez, I actually had 180/2* in there for quite a long time
@AlexA. Oh, okay.
Oh my god, I saw the last starred post and thought my laptop's screen had started bugging out. I started rubbing it to see if a spec of dirt or something had stuck on. I am not a smart man.
I gotta go for a bit. I'll be back to answer concerns from the sandbox, if there are any, in an hour or so.
9:03 PM
@ThomasKwa read int, dupe, dupe, output, jumpn, quit, trampoline? There's no infinite loop there.
@DLosc Hi, my name is Pyth. / I'm shorter than grass that's been cut with a scythe. / (double time!) / Pyth is the solution to any crisis / and if left to its devices, / it slices; it dices; / entices, allspices. / (regular time) / Listen to these advices, / and you'll find that Pyth is / the solution that concises. / How nice is that?! — mbomb007 2 hours ago
@Mego "I'm guessing your matrix question is about #1" Yes, because I said "for task 1." :P
@mbomb007 -1: Pyth /paɪθ/ does not rhyme with scythe /saɪð/. ;) But you might have a rap in the works there. (Actually, I tend to pronounce it /paɪθ/ too.)
@AlexA. It's a well-known fact that
9:05 PM
Also cat makes it hard to read
The fact that the Unix command cat exists gives you astigmatism?
@DLosc how does that not rhyme? (if you use those pronunciations)
I have astigmatism, but it has nothing to do with Unix
I meant the fluffy kind
I have astigmatism as well
9:07 PM
Me too
@aditsu θ != ð
If I apply pressure to my eyeballs in just the right places, it goes away
My vision is garbage without my glasses, yo.
I can do it by squinting really hard
@DLosc oh, didn't notice that... still rhymes :p
anyway, I pronounce it... er... I don't know the symbols :) but more like myth
with p instead of m
9:09 PM
Half rhyme or slant rhyme, sometimes called near-rhyme or lazy rhyme, is a type of rhyme formed by words with similar but not identical sounds. In most instances, either the vowel segments are different while the consonants are identical, or vice versa. This type of rhyme is also called approximate rhyme, inexact rhyme, imperfect rhyme (in contrast to perfect rhyme), off rhyme, analyzed rhyme, or suspended rhyme. == Use in hip hop/rapEdit == Half rhyme is often used, along with assonance, in rap music. This can be used to avoid rhyming clichés (e.g. rhyming "knowledge" with "college") or obvious...
@Rainbolt Um, really?? I have astigmatism too, but I don't want to squeeze my eyeballs to test it. I know squinting improves short sight just by restricting the field of view (so the blurring is less). You can get surprisingly good distance vision if you're short sighted by looking through a pin hole in a piece of card
> I don't want to squeeze my eyeballs
why not
um.. does everybody have astigmatism? do I?
Huh ... in my head, I always pronounced it pɪθ, as in "pithy"
@aditsu I've always said πþ.
9:11 PM
Despite past experience, I don't want to assume everything Rainbolt says is good advice
I don't think restricting your field of view magically makes the view you can still see less blurry. I think that's in your head. What makes it less fuzzy is you actually changing the shape of your eyeball when you squint and apply pressure to your eyeball using your eyelids.
@VoteToClose that depends on how you pronounce those 2 symbols :p
@Rainbolt No restricting the field of view has a definite explainable effect. I'll see if I can find a picture
@VoteToClose +1 for using þ
9:12 PM
-1 for using þ
@VoteToClose Oh, so "peeth"? ^^
votes to close for using þ
@aditsu :þ
9:13 PM
damn, this messes with my eyes
Quick fix for bad eyesight: turn on the camera on your phone and hold it up to your face
ow make it stop
@Rainbolt In searching for a picture I found this:
Pinhole glasses, also known as stenopeic glasses, are eyeglasses with a series of pinhole-sized perforations filling an opaque sheet of plastic in place of each lens. Similar to the workings of a pinhole camera, each perforation allows only a very narrow beam of light to enter the eye which reduces the size of the circle of confusion on the retina and increases depth of field. In eyes with refractive error, the result is claimed to be a sharper image. However, a second effect may appear at the common bridge between each two adjacent holes, whereby two different rays of light coming from the same...
9:15 PM
I have astigmatism in one eye, and it's the rarer kind
I'm basically SOL
> So, as long as the user keeps blinking, they will be constantly reminded of the dark grating covering their eyes.
@Rainbolt It's the same phenomenon as a pinhole camera.
Solution: never blink
@Mego Don't blink.
9:17 PM
@Mego Why are you SOL? I have one eye that is 20/80 and one that is 20/140. I wear two different corrective lens. You could just wear one. Heck... one box of contacts would last you twice as long.
@TimmyD Blink and you're dead
It's only 4 seconds on loop.
@Rainbolt Contacts don't work well for correcting against-the-norm astigmatism. I basically have to wear glasses, and I hate glasses.
@VoteToClose You missed the part where it turns around
9:18 PM
Or did I?
The internet is weird:
That's more terrifying than the angels. o-o
Lol frogman
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

DennisAn infinite FTW code-golf fibonacci sequence math The infinite Fionacci word is a specific, infinite sequence of binary digits, which are calculated by repeated concatenation of finite binary words. Let us define that a Fibonacci-type word (or FTW) is formed as follows: Commence with two arr...

@Rainbolt I can't find a useful picture now, but the explanation in words is that being short sighted means a point in the image you are looking at is focused to a small circle on the retina, instead of a point. The pinhole reduces the size of these circles, improving the clarity of the image. For me, it doesn't just make it feel better, it allows me to read things I couldn't without glasses otherwise.
9:23 PM
^ This
My right eye is very shortsighted; I can't read any of the words on this screen by squinting through it.
On the other hand, making a small hole by curling my finger allows me to read the text perfectly
@Justin The trouble is that we have two conflicting hypotheses - Rainbolt's being that the shape of the eyeball is changed by squinting.
@NewSandboxedPosts This is a perfect task for Python generators :)
@Justin Ah - that does seem more conclusive since the eyeball isn't being squashed
@trichoplax My point is that squinting doesn't allow me to see, but making a small hole does.
@Rainbolt maybe try this? ^
9:27 PM
(No idea how valid this is)
Umm that page suggests pinhole glasses as a substitute for prescription ones. I do not recommend obeying that suggestion.
In optics, a circle of confusion is an optical spot caused by a cone of light rays from a lens not coming to a perfect focus when imaging a point source. It is also known as disk of confusion, circle of indistinctness, blur circle, or blur spot. In photography, the circle of confusion (CoC) is used to determine the depth of field, the part of an image that is acceptably sharp. A standard value of CoC is often associated with each image format, but the most appropriate value depends on visual acuity, viewing conditions, and the amount of enlargement. Properly, this is the maximum permissible circle...
@Mego The pointer wraps around to the start in Befunge.
@Justin No that sounds like horrendous advice. I just find it useful to know for emergencies - I wouldn't want to give up my glasses...
Guys I have SE in a dark theme and it's so nice on my eyes.
How do you do that?
9:36 PM
Just being Stylish @AlexA. @Dennis
> an extension available for Firefox, Chrome, and Opera.
Oh, sorry @AlexA. Do you use Internet Explorer then?
9:39 PM
@AlexA. Are there other browsers?
@Justin Oh god no. Safari.
@Dennis Yes, Safari.
Who uses Opera?
No idea.
The last time I even saw an Opera icon on someone's computer was in 2007.
@Justin That looks quite nice and is perfect for my light sensitivity, but the spacing around the buttons at the top is killing me. :/
9:40 PM
That's what it looks like for me.
I don't like how it looks for chat.
@Dennis It's not very good, but it's better.
@AlexA. You can always turn it off.
Or you could write your own CSS stylesheet for it.
Yeah. That's assuming I'd be able to find a Safari equivalent.
@AlexA. Or you could switch browsers ;-)
I could write my own CSS stylesheet for it, if I knew CSS. Or anything. :P
9:41 PM
@AlexA. Just upgrade to Chrome.
@Justin cc @Dennis
There is literally only 1 thing I have against Chrome: its text isn't as sharp as other browsers. After about 6 years of using Chrome, I accidentally opened another browser, and every edge appeared sharp.
I use Chrome at work. I don't dislike it in any way; in fact, I prefer its handling of bookmarks to that of Safari. But I don't care enough to switch browsers.
Who needs bookmarks if you have tabs?
9:45 PM
@flawr People who don't want to have 1,000,000 tabs open all the time. :P
@Dennis This looks terrible.
@Dennis Agreed; it's not that nice
@AlexA. Do you mean 1.000'000 or 1'000'000 tabs? (Or 1'000.000)
@AlexA. There are people without 1,000,000 tabs open all the time???
Pfft Europeans.
9:46 PM
@AlexA. It's the only big flaw in an otherwise very pleasant style sheet.
And a big flaw it is. I can barely stand to look at it. It's GARBAGE. GARBAGE, DENNIS!
@Dennis I'm using 2 of your solutions
@DLosc It can be. /ˈsaɪθ/ is listed as a possible pronunciation, and it's how I pronounce it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythe
@Justin Yeah. The most I have open at a time is about 6 and I try to close tabs as soon as they're no longer needed for whatever I'm doing.
@aditsu 2 and 4, I presume? Go for it!
9:48 PM
yeah, edited already
and thanks :)
pyth is ahead though :/
As usual
@Dennis I decided to go look at the stylesheet to see if I could find an improvement... I think this might take a lot of work
See that scrollbar in the upper right?
Oh damn son
That's one little scrollbar
@DLosc I was using a handy phonetic tool
@Justin The relevant classes for that awful boxing are nav and mainnavs. Shouldn't be too hard to find.
9:51 PM
 .nav .primarynav li a:hover, .message.message-config .actions .button, .btn-careers:hover,
 .btn-careers:visited {
  color: #fff !important;
  background: #4183C4 !important;
Anything to do with that?
> English is weird, yes, but it can be understood through tough, thorough thought, though.
@Dennis Any idea what would look better for the navs?
@Justin Removing background: #4183C4 !important; could already be enough.
It's everywhere; I'm planning on adding a new rule
(there are about 27 code blocks and the exact same thing is strewn throughout)
9:55 PM
@ThomasKwa Good point, I didn't think about that. That is shorter.
> "Read" and "Lead" rhyme, but "Read" and "Lead" don't. And "Read" and "Lead" rhyme, but "Read" and "Lead" don't.
> Why doesn't everyone just learn English?
@TimmyD they're standing there in their room

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