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Anonymous
5:01 AM
Yeah the bots are kinda slow
 
Calvin's Hobbies
Calvin's Hobbies
@El'endiaStarman Voting to reopen. I didn't read all the arguments but I don't like when challenges (that are clearly not terrible/spam) are closed by a single user.
 
Anonymous
And by kinda I mean I've seen faster-moving geriatric patients
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
@Calvin'sHobbies [nods] I have a tendency to try and make the strongest case I can from the outset. Hence the long post...
 
Anonymous
@El'endiaStarman I agree with your arguments, and cast the 5th reopen vote.
 
Anonymous
If you compare the number of bytes with other languages, you will see why no one is using C++. — CroCo 4 mins ago
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
5:03 AM
But anyway, it would probably be a good idea to actually settle the question of whether to close good/better/newer duplicates once and for all (at least until consensus changes).
 
Anonymous
People like this annoy the hell out of me
 
Anonymous
@El'endiaStarman We had a decent consensus that we shouldn't last time it was brought up, iirc
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
I appreciate your reopen votes, @Calvin and @Mego, by the way. Thanks. :)
@Mego I think I remember seeing that in chat, yes.
 
Anonymous
@El'endiaStarman No problem man. I like the challenge, and will get cracking on it
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
@Mego Everyone is entitled to an opinion. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
5:04 AM
On Meta, however, it's not particularly settled.
 
Anonymous
Probably in the morning though
 
Anonymous
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Q: Closing old question as duplicate of a new one

Martin BüttnerWhat is our policy regarding closing an old challenge as a duplicate of a new one? I know this happens on other sites (at least SO), if the newer question is generally better or usually if it gathers better answers (such that the old one acts as a "redirect" to the canonical answer). Now this do...

discussion policy close-reasons
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
I think if we generally allow posting new challenges that are duplicates of old challenge but are "better specified" or whatever, we're just going to end up repeating ourselves every year or so. We will no longer have interesting content.
 
Anonymous
Seems pretty settled to me
 
Dennis
Dennis
When I miss that a challenge can be solved by simply calculating a GCD, it's time to go to bed...
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
5:07 AM
haha
 
Anonymous
To me, there's a simple set of criteria:
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
@Mego Not really. 2 vote difference.
 
Anonymous
@AlexA. 2 vote difference, with no discussion in over a year
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
@Mego Before I voted on the answers, it was +3/-1 (I think?) versus +1/-1. Even now, +5/-2 versus +1/-2 is not a particularly strong consensus.
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
@Mego That doesn't make it a consensus.
 
New Meta Posts
New Meta Posts
5:09 AM
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Q: Meta privileges help page inconsistency

Alex A.There appears to be an inconsistency on our Meta privileges page in the Help Center! The unflappable dev Chris Jester-Young and our benevolent overlords in the SE Community Team have lowered PPCG's meta participation privilege reputation threshold to 1. Excellent news! That means that new users ...

bug meta reputation
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
@AlexA. Yeah, I don't think that's acceptable. (Part of why I don't think my question runs afoul of that is that the older one is four years old.)
 
Calvin's Hobbies
Calvin's Hobbies
One issue is that our current challenge format is much stricter than it was when the site started.
So posting "repeats" can add value in a way.
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
At what point is it a problem, though?
 
Anonymous
1. Are old answers *valid* in the new question, or can they be trivially transformed into answers for new questions?
2. Are old answers *competitive* in the new question? (mainly applies to code-challenge, koth, and fastest-code, but also somewhat to code-golf, since CJam/Pyth answers may not be valid due to being created after the question)
3. Is the old challenge free of flaws that can be fixed by edits that won't invalidate answers?
 
Anonymous
If the answer to all 3 is "yes", then the new challenge is a dupe in my eyes. If not, then it isn't.
 
Calvin's Hobbies
Calvin's Hobbies
5:17 AM
@El'endiaStarman Well, that's hard to define. :P This is partly why I try to avoid using existing math/cs ideas directly in my challenges.
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
5:29 AM
@Calvin'sHobbies Yeah, methinks I'll go that route now that you mention it... :P
 
Dennis
Dennis
Let's see how this goes:
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A: Create a programming language that only appears to be unusable

DennisChangeling ShapeScript ShapeScript is a naturally occurring programming language. Shape shifters (or Changelings, as they prefer to be called) can transform into a set of instructions that allows them to process data. ShapeScript is a stack-based language with a relatively simple syntax. It is...

 
Alex A.
Alex A.
@Dennis Hahaha my APL is 20 bytes, yours is 3.
 
Calvin's Hobbies
Calvin's Hobbies
<{(     bird
>[]     tv
( {)    mustache
[><]    hourglass
There need to be more bracket characters :(
 
Dennis
Dennis
@AlexA. Yours is portable though. ngn doesn't have GCD for floats.
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
orly?
I had forgotten about ∨ for GCD. Does that not work in ngn?
DOMAIN ERROR: ∨ is implemented only for Gaussian integers
u_u
 
Dennis
Dennis
5:41 AM
Best you could do with ngn is the trick I used in Pyth.
 
Calvin's Hobbies
Calvin's Hobbies
@AlexA. Put that emoticon in bracket form!
 
Dennis
Dennis
First multiply by 2.
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
@Calvin'sHobbies Uh how
 
Calvin's Hobbies
Calvin's Hobbies
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Or just continue talking about on topic stuff.
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
@Calvin'sHobbies I like this but it doesn't look like an emoticon on first glance.
@Dennis Where in J/R.5Q/RiFJJ are you multiplying by 2? o.O
 
Anonymous
5:47 AM
@Calvin'sHobbies What's a topic?
 
Dennis
Dennis
@AlexA. Just wait for the two-byte J answer. :P
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
Are you working on one of those now?
 
Dennis
Dennis
@AlexA. I divide by 0.5, since that casts to int.
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
Oh okay
I forgot that dividing by 0.5 is the same as multiplying by 2. I cannot math.
 
Dennis
Dennis
Nah, I have to go to sleep. I just wanted to post the cop to feersum's challenge.
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
5:49 AM
Pffft sleep.
Overrated.
 
Dennis
Dennis
6:01 AM
 
Alex A.
Alex A.
:P
Now I'm the one who's going to sleep.
 
Dennis
Dennis
%+./ would work as a monadic function, btw.
 
Pietu1998
Pietu1998
So I just woke up
 
Dennis
Dennis
Good night, y'all!
 
Anonymous
I should go to bed, too
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
6:05 AM
G'night!
 
Anonymous
Peace out girl scouts
 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
I'm heading to bed too once I sandbox another challenge... :P
 
New Sandboxed Posts
New Sandboxed Posts
6:18 AM
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

El'endia StarmanTwo mountain hikers want to meet, but must stay at the same altitude This question is totally inspired by this question on Puzzling SE. For ease, I have reproduced the original question here: Two hikers are separated by a two-dimensional mountain range, like the one shown below. The mountain...

 
El'endia Starman
El'endia Starman
o_o
That was less than a minute!
 
Beta Decay
Beta Decay
6:56 AM
Woah, this place is eeeeeempty!
 
 
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Optimizer
Optimizer
8:05 AM
The last message was posted 1 emptiness ago.
 
VoteToClose
VoteToClose
8:17 AM
:c I can't edit my posts for my latest update of Vitsy.
 
Lembik
Lembik
8:47 AM
hi all
 
VoteToClose
VoteToClose
Hello. c:
 
 
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VoteToClose
VoteToClose
9:52 AM
...I just more than halved an AppleScript answer...
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A: Shortest code to produce infinite output

mcgrailmAppleScript: repeat until 1 < 0 say "hi" end repeat

For those that can see edit suggestions.
 
Sp3000
Sp3000
@VoteToClose I've voted to reject, on the basis that golfing edits are generally frowned upon (leaving a comment is fine)
 
aditsu
aditsu
10:31 AM
nobody likes my latest java answer T_T
a wild upvote appears ^_^
 
VoteToClose
VoteToClose
11:12 AM
@Sp3000 Mkay. I've been edited before, thought it was accepted. Whoops.
@Sp3000 I left a comment - is it fair?
 
Sp3000
Sp3000
Yeah looks okay. I dunno, might have to check with @MartinBüttner about golf edits, but personally I wouldn't like it too much if I woke up one day and saw my answer golfed without me testing it
 
Doorknob
Doorknob
editing the actual code in an answer has always been disallowed
 
Optimizer
Optimizer
^
 
randomra
randomra
Hmm, I have an unusable language but it is a lot of work and will be probably cracked in a couple of hours time...
 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
11:33 AM
@VoteToClose What the others said...
@randomra so? :)
 
randomra
randomra
I have finite time
 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
I couldn't possibly think of a better way to spend it ;)
 
randomra
randomra
If I post only the specs, you would have probably solved it and written an interpreter before I could do mine
@MartinBüttner people say earning money is useful in long term, meeting people outside of the internet is also considered beneficial by some
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
11:52 AM
I'm writing a neural network. One of my inputs to this neural network is an ordered list of objects (where each object can be represented as a set of values)
because the order may be important, how do you construct a neural network to handle the list?
 
randomra
randomra
@NathanMerrill how many elements (value sets)? how many values per element (set)?
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
variable number of elements
fixed number of values
 
randomra
randomra
@NathanMerrill do you have an idea if the value sets' order is not important?
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
no, I don't have that knowledge
you mean the order of the elements?
it may be important, that needs to be something the neural network is able to eventually assign a high weight to
 
randomra
randomra
fixed number of values as in 2 per list element, or fixed alphabet?
by how many I also meant size, 5 or 500 list elements are not the same
can you give an input example?
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
12:01 PM
sure
in python:
[("apple",5,"green",90), ("banana",3,"blue", 1), ...]
so each element has the same elements
in this case ("string", int, "string", int)
typically that's easy with neural network
simply enumerate the possible strings
(which I can do)
and assign each of them a network
the problem is the list
it may have anywhere from 1 to infinite elements
the order may be important
 
randomra
randomra
is [("apple",5,"green",90), ("banana",3,"blue", 1), ...] one example input or the whole training set?
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
one example input
 
randomra
randomra
you use IDs for the strings?
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
what do you mean?
the strings can be enumerated, they typically only have 4-5 possible values
 
randomra
randomra
so the network only gets the ID (1..5) of the strings
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
12:07 PM
sure, yeah
I know how I would write a neural network for a single element in the list
 
randomra
randomra
do you have a method for feeding a simple arbitrary long list to the NN?
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
no
 
randomra
randomra
ok, now I see the main problem :)
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
oooh, I think I got an id3a
idea*
what if I add the position of the element in the list to the element's neural network
then run each of the elements through the same neural network
then average the results?
max the results?
perform a different list operation on the results, and feed that to a neural network?
 
randomra
randomra
12:33 PM
This could be fed with arbitrary length input:
Recurrent neural network
A recurrent neural network (RNN) is a class of artificial neural network where connections between units form a directed cycle. This creates an internal state of the network which allows it to exhibit dynamic temporal behavior. Unlike feedforward neural networks, RNNs can use their internal memory to process arbitrary sequences of inputs. This makes them applicable to tasks such as unsegmented connected handwriting recognition or speech recognition == Architectures == === Fully recurrent network === This is the basic architecture developed in the 1980s: a network of neuron-like units, each with...
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Q: How are neural networks used when the number of inputs could be variable?

Jeremy EAll the examples I have seen of neural networks are for a fixed set of inputs which works good for images and fixed length data. How do you deal with variable length data such sentances, queries or source code. Is there a way to encode variable length data into fixed length inputs and still get...

artificial-intelligence machine-learning neural-network pattern-recognition
max, avg,... could be good if you know they can provide the logic you need, eg. you won't be able to compute the parity of a list (which RNNs can as linked in the SO page)
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
I don't care about parity
RNN are effective if one element is dependent on the next, which is not my case
 
randomra
randomra
so the order doesn't matter,just the position?
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
yes
 
randomra
randomra
Hard to say anything more without knowing the problem.
you have to relax the problem but idk what info can and can't be disregarded
(it's often hard to say even if you know the problem)
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
I'm doing general game playing
I'm trying to represent a collection of cards (like a person's hand)
sometimes the order of the cards in your hand is important
but a collection does not have a max size
 
randomra
randomra
12:51 PM
wow, you are more optimistic about the NN's capability than I am
 
Nathan Merrill
Nathan Merrill
well, I'm not using solely neural networks
I'm using TD learning to learn the game
but I need some way to represent the state of the game at a given point in time
and neural networks appear to be the best option
 
TheDoctor
TheDoctor
probably the wrong place to ask, but does anyone know is this uses PPM or SMbus? Or even some other protocol?
 
SuperJedi224
SuperJedi224
Hey guys
Still working on Microscript II
Any feature requests?
 
Geobits
Geobits
Needs moar jQuery.
 
SuperJedi224
SuperJedi224
What.
 
Geobits
Geobits
1:05 PM
Oh, sorry. When I looked at the original, it didn't have enough jQuery. Did you add more?
 
Beta Decay
Beta Decay
1:17 PM
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Q: Golfing strings in Fourier

Beta DecayChallenge Given a string as input, golf down the Fourier program which outputs that string. In Fourier there is no easy way to output a string: you have to go through each character code and output that as a character. Fourier The language is based upon an accumulator, a global variable which...

code-challenge metagolf
The bounty is running out :P
 
Beta Decay
Beta Decay
1:32 PM
(removed)
 
VoteToClose
VoteToClose
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A: Shortest Code that creates a Deadlock

VoteToCloseosascript, 0 bytes Oh, yes, this is a thing. Essentially, I used to believe that this was an infinite loop until told otherwise in a comment to this answer.

Applescript wins. :D
 
Sp3000
Sp3000
I don't think blocking input read is a deadlock
 
SuperJedi224
SuperJedi224
1:48 PM
Yeah, neither do I.
 
Lembik
Lembik
2:03 PM
hi
I want to pose a code-golf challenge to write a very simple interactive graphical game. The idea is to collect the shortest code in each language as in codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/57617/…
 
SuperJedi224
SuperJedi224
Hello
 
GamrCorps
GamrCorps
If my question is marked as a duplicate, would it be best to delete it or leave it (as it already has a bunch of answers)?
 
Lembik
Lembik
anyone think of a suitable game? I thought of breakout, pong but they might be a bit too big
 
Geobits
Geobits
@GamrCorps You can't self-delete if it has any upvoted answers IIRC.
 
GamrCorps
GamrCorps
@Geobits Oh, I never knew that, so just leave it be then?
 
Geobits
Geobits
2:06 PM
Yea, it's no big deal for it to be there closed.
 
GamrCorps
GamrCorps
@Lembik maze game where user types left/right/forward/backward to move
@Geobits ok
 
Geobits
Geobits
Yea, a simple maze seems easiest/smallest/simplest for a catalog type.
 
Lembik
Lembik
that seems like a good idea. I just don't want it in ascii
should I specify the maze myself or let people generate a random one?
 
Geobits
Geobits
If it's not ASCII (or at least text-based), it's going to rule out a lot of the weird languages that catalogs usually attract.
 
GamrCorps
GamrCorps
@Lembik it would be hard to do it in non-ASCII since most languages cannot display pictures, etc.
 
Lembik
Lembik
2:07 PM
@Geobits right.. I don't want it to be text-based
@GamrCorps I understand
 
GamrCorps
GamrCorps
And you can always specify a test maze, but have users create random ones.
 
Geobits
Geobits
Maze generation has been done already, so it might be best to focus on the "display a maze and move around in it" part.
 
Lembik
Lembik
but I feel that we shuold have non-text based simple challenges too. Maybe someone can invent a compact language which is good at solving them :)
@Geobits Thanks. That makes sense
of course this is close to pacman :)
 
Geobits
Geobits
Or "take a maze as input and etc".
So you can feed in different test mazes.
 
Lembik
Lembik
@Geobits I am worried about how to pin down the spec to be honest
 
GamrCorps
GamrCorps
2:09 PM
When in doubt, sandbox it
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Lembik
Lembik
i.e.what exactly should be displayed on the screen
@GamrCorps true :)
 
Geobits
Geobits
Good. Being worried about the spec is better than not being worried about it :P
 
Lembik
Lembik
:)
I was tempted to have a challenge to place one single yellow pixel in the center of the screen :)
I have no idea what the smallest C code, for example, is to do that
or Java, or Haskell etc.
maybe I should start with that? what do people think?
 
feersum
feersum
Is it OK to draw other pixels?
 
Geobits
Geobits
"Given a set of lines in (x1,y1,x2,y2) format, plot them on the screen"
 
Lembik
Lembik
2:12 PM
@feersum no!
@Geobits That seems nice..maybe as a precursor to a more interactive challenge
 
feersum
feersum
This will be good for machines that only have one possible screen size
 
Lembik
Lembik
there is a political point here :) Which is that it annoys me how hard it is to do what I could do on a ZX Spectrum in the 1980s
 
Geobits
Geobits
Variable resolution? You're living in some sort of fantasy world! :P
 
Lembik
Lembik
which language do you think will have the longest solutions?
and still finite :)
 
Geobits
Geobits
Maybe better would be x and y given as percentages of the screen/window/etc. So 0.5,0.5 is the middle.
 
Lembik
Lembik
2:17 PM
hmm... maybe it should move the pixel in a circle clockwise
that seems a better compromise
not too trivial but not interactive either
ok I think I can write this version easily :)
but anyone think it's a terrible idea?
or a great idea :)
 
Beta Decay
Beta Decay
Maybe it would be beneficial if you specified exactly what kind of purple @Lembik
 
Lembik
Lembik
@BetaDecay I thought of that but.. how?
 
Optimizer
Optimizer
magic?
 
Beta Decay
Beta Decay
Hex code or RGB value
 
Lembik
Lembik
@Optimizer The usual solution :)
@BetaDecay is it easy to convert from one to the other?
my first downvote! :(
with no comment
 
Beta Decay
Beta Decay
2:32 PM
 
Lembik
Lembik
@BetaDecay thanks... rgb(128, 0, 128) surprises me a lot!
I had no idea that was purple
it's annoying when people downvote without commenting....
 
Beta Decay
Beta Decay
Yeah. The challenge to me slightly underspecified
 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
@Lembik "I will maintain a list"... why not add the leaderboard snippet to do that automatically?
 
Lembik
Lembik
maybe it's someone who loves their text only language :)
@MartinBüttner that's a great idea.. could you give me a hand with that please? I have never tried it before
 
Beta Decay
Beta Decay
@Lembik Check meta: there's a question especially for that
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Q: Leaderboard Snippet

Martin BüttnerI've been using a stack snippet for a while to generate leaderboards for my simpler or more popular code golf challenges. I want to share the code for this snippet here so others can use it more easily as well. Feel free to put feature requests and bug reports in answers, or let me know in chat....

discussion stack-snippets scoring
 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
2:36 PM
alternatively, just copy it out of one of the recent challenges that had it. all you need to do is find QUESTION_ID in the code and change it to your question's ID.
your spec seems a bit contradictory though
first you say that the animation has to fill the entire screen but then you say that the circle can occupy 75% of some window?
 
Lembik
Lembik
let me try to add the leaderboard code first :)
 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
also if you're trying to post a challenge that is a decent reference for "shortest code to perform some simple graphical output task in every language", maybe you should take the time to sandbox it for a few days and actually let people give you some feedback for the spec.
2
 
Beta Decay
Beta Decay
^
 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
even (especially?) simple challenges need solid specs.
 
Lembik
Lembik
ok.. let me address one thing at a time :)
 
Beta Decay
Beta Decay
2:40 PM
For example, the catalogue challenges
 
Lembik
Lembik
is my question_id 62095 ?
 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
yes
 
Beta Decay
Beta Decay
Yep
Ninja'd
 
New Main Posts
New Main Posts
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Q: A single pixel moving round a circle

LembikThis is a graphical output challenge where the task is to give the shortest code per language. I will maintain a list of the best answer for each language at the bottom of this question. Task Your code should plot a single purple pixel (hex value #800080 or rgb(128, 0, 128)), moving clockwise...

code-golf graphical-output animation trigonometry
 
Lembik
Lembik
I literally copied and pasted some code and changed QUESTION_ID only
could someone look please to see if I did it right?
 
SuperJedi224
SuperJedi224
2:45 PM
It is typically suggested that you change the OVERRIDE_USER field as well.
 
Lembik
Lembik
to my user id?
 
SuperJedi224
SuperJedi224
Yes
 
Lembik
Lembik
@SuperJedi224 done I hope
assuming that is ok.. I will move on to the next problem :)
 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
you could just... you know... delete and and sandbox it, and fix all those things before anyone starts working on this... because I'm pretty sure the 1x1 window size won't be the last thing someone points out.
 
Lembik
Lembik
@MartinBüttner which part says that it has to be full screen?
 
New Sandboxed Posts
New Sandboxed Posts
2:49 PM
0
A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Christian IrwanReverse the Meeesesessess upp teeexexextext. code-golf This is inspired by Monday Mini-Golf #6: Meeesesessess upp teeexexextext Background ETHproductions have difficulty from entering text to his usual webpage. Everytime, the text will be meeesesessessesseesseessedessed. Your task is to help ...

 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
"Nothing else should be shown on the screen except for the pixel."
 
Lembik
Lembik
@MartinBüttner I feel deleting it will annoy people even more than not having sandboxed it at this point :(
 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
@Lembik I seriously doubt that.
2
 
Lembik
Lembik
@MartinBüttner ah.. "screen or window" is that better?
there is already an answer!
err.. two
 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
sure, the longer you wait, the more answers there will be...
 
Lembik
Lembik
2:52 PM
the snippet sort of works!
for example reason it has only one entry now
ok.. any other problems that need addressing with the question urgently?
 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
yeah, because the other answer's header is wrong
 
Lembik
Lembik
@MartinBüttner ah ok
 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
@Lembik my point is, addressing them urgently cannot address them as well as if we just had some time to think about this.
 
SuperJedi224
SuperJedi224
Currently working on defining the semantics of addition for Microscript II.
 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
what about the framerate?
 
Lembik
Lembik
2:53 PM
@MartinBüttner I 100% agree I did the wrong thing
 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
what about languages that can only output vectorised graphics?
 
Lembik
Lembik
and I am sorry
I just really don't want to delete a question with answers
 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
@Lembik You don't seem to realise that you can fix it at any time though.
 
Geobits
Geobits
@Lembik I don't think you can...
 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
@Geobits I think that's only after they get upvotes
 
Lembik
Lembik
2:54 PM
@MartinBüttner I am not sure I understand the concern here
 
Geobits
Geobits
@MartinBüttner Both are at +1 now.
 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
@Lembik the notion of pixels doesn't make sense for vectorised graphics
 
Lembik
Lembik
I mean re: vectorised graphics
@Geobits don't! he will just point out I could have avoided that :(
 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
@Geobits well I can still delete it... :D
 
Lembik
Lembik
@MartinBüttner :)
 
Geobits
Geobits
2:55 PM
Sure, you can nuke it from orbit if you want ;)
 
Lembik
Lembik
@MartinBüttner I feel the question of whether a 1 by 1 vector is a pixel or not is quite niche :)
I would say it is
 
SuperJedi224
SuperJedi224
What do you guys think of the Microscript II draft specs so far?
 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
@Lembik I don't understand what you mean by a 1 by 1 vector in this context.
 
Pietu1998
Pietu1998
It's a 1 unit by 1 unit rectangle in some unit.
 
Lembik
Lembik
@MartinBüttner I think you were saying that some languages only show vectors, not pixels
 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
2:57 PM
next thing: an inclusive challenge that aims to address as many languages as possible would probably also allow writing the animation in a common file format to disc or stdout.
 
Lembik
Lembik
a vector that covers exactly 1 pixel is a 1 by 1 rectangle
@MartinBüttner I explicitly don't want that. My interest, which I understand is not 100% ppcg mainstream, is in useful tasks that I could do trivially in BASIC 30 years ago :)
 
feersum
feersum
@MartinBüttner That seems to miss the point, which is to demonstrate a way to draw on the screen.
 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
@Lembik the point of vector graphics is that they are arbitrarily scalable, so they have no relation to the number of pixels they cover
 
Lembik
Lembik
it annoys me that animation and interactivity are somehow regarded as non-mainstream these days
 
Martin Büttner
Martin Büttner
@feersum that's fair enough I guess
 
Lembik
Lembik
2:59 PM
@MartinBüttner I see your point although it is quite subtle :)
if someone asks, I will answer that they can fix the screen or window width so that the vector takes up exactly one pixel
 
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