ELL's Cabin

Damkerng T.

02:48

Quote of the day: Think like a wise man but communicate in the language of the people. ― W. B. Yeats

Damkerng T.

04:19

Today I read... Maleficent's intro!

Take 1: dropbox.com/s/f0k0c7ne00n444f/20150428%20Maleficent.mp3?dl=0

Take 2: dropbox.com/s/jmv2wvpq2xw6roe/…

Damkerng T.

04:45

Something related to English have got in Thai: ได้มี. Example: ได้มีหนังสือส่งเข้ามาหรือยังเช้านี้ (Have we got a document coming in this morning?)

Damkerng T.

04:56

Er, ya gotta be careful about the stuff found in undergraduate, and graduate, theses and papers, especially when they are written by EFL speakers. As to "start" vs "begin", er, that stuff is currently undergoing a so-called language change as to their usage in today's English, as is the common competition between infinitive and -ing as complements. :) — F.E. 6 mins ago

Curiouser and curiouser!

@Jasper You're right. Anyway, I'm not sure. Gotten might be archaic. The current conjugation could be get, got, got (instead of gotten). English would be difficult enough for the new learner even if the rules didn't keep changing. — JimM Nov 13 '14 at 13:28

o_O

> "Does everyone have a pencil?" Or, "Did everyone get a pencil?" "Does anyone not have a pencil," would be easier to answer than leaving the student wondering, "Do I answer for myself or for the whole class?"
http://ell.stackexchange.com/a/39298/3281

o_O!

I think if the teacher asked me, "Does everyone have a pencil?", then it would be when I would wonder, "Do I answer for myself or for the whole class?", not the other way around.

You bring up some interesting points from a grammatical perspective; however, I think you're overanalyzing a bit. Pragmatically, in a classroom, a teacher may ask, "Does everyone have a pencil," without expecting one student to answer for all. In fact, the only responses a teacher might expect would be negative responses. So: Teacher, to a class of 23: "Does everyone have a pencil?" Joey answers, "I don't have one." Micah answers, "I don't have one, either." Everyone else remains silent. That could easily be how this plays out. Also, students would say, "I have a pencil," not "the pencil." — J.R. ♦ Nov 12 '14 at 21:43

J.R.'s comment makes way more sense, imho.

Jim Reynolds

10:15

12 hours ago, by Damkerng T.

@JimReynolds I think it's your phone that caused the 3D effect, perhaps.

Haha. That's interesting!!

My phone has a crack in the glass.

O.O

@DamkerngT. Kirk is. You might know Kirke as Circe!

I do not know, sir, who this Kirk is,

Could Kirk work, sir, for circus-es?

MARamezani

12:05

Hullo!

Damkerng T.

12:16

@JimReynolds Oh, no!

MARamezani

Hullo!

Will Hunting

Today I went to see the doctor to unblock my right ear LOL.

Damkerng T.

Hullo!

Will Hunting

The ear wax got pushed too deep inside.

Damkerng T.

@WillHunting Eh? Unblock your ear?

Oh!

MARamezani

12:17

@WillHunting Hullo! Your right ear LOL? I dunno that body part!

Will Hunting

I could not hear properly for a few weeks.

MARamezani

What is an ear LOL?

Damkerng T.

It could happen to anyone, I think.

Will Hunting

It happened only to my right ear, not the left one, about three times.

MARamezani

@WillHunting Three times?

That's a little bit unusual.

Will Hunting

12:19

@MARamezani Yes, in my life.

Damkerng T.

Maybe each of your ears has a different tendency.

Will Hunting

Basically the doctor shoots water inside to flush it out. We used a huge tub of water and a huge syringe LOL.

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. What is tendency supposed to mean in biology?

Damkerng T.

I've got a swimmer's ear problem once.

@WillHunting Aww

MARamezani

@WillHunting Huge syringes... Runs

Will Hunting

12:20

If this method does not work, then I don't know how.

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani Um... I think it means the same in or out of biology.

nods

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. Well I have a hard time imagining an ear getting used to something.

Will Hunting

I laughed when I knew about the method LOL.

Damkerng T.

Oh!

MARamezani

Hmm, I have a million dollar question guys.

Will Hunting

12:22

I thought there would be some special instrument to suck things out.

Damkerng T.

@WillHunting Hehe!

MARamezani

@WillHunting There is! A tub and a syringe.

Hullo Fantasarium!

OK can I ask the question now?

Will Hunting

I don't know why so many people write okay instead of OK in SE chat.

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani We're waiting for the question!

@WillHunting Hmm... because it's spelled okay?

MARamezani

@WillHunting Capitalizing is hard enough work. Now make that capitalizing two letters.

@DamkerngT. I need a fancy word for a tag.

Will Hunting

12:24

@DamkerngT. OK came first, before okay. Just like DJ before deejay and MC before emcee.

Damkerng T.

Oh, what's the tag for?

@WillHunting I suppose so!

MARamezani

Basically the story went along as this:

Will Hunting

@DamkerngT. Not many people know though.

MARamezani

7

Q: Should we extend the scope of textbook-erratum?

A recent question was brought to my attention due to the "close" review queue, where it was about to be closed: What is the product of alpha decay of Curium-226? I believe that textbook-erratum is one of the few meta tags, that actually make sense and I appreciate that we usually have the capabi...

Damkerng T.

@WillHunting If what I've heard was correct!

MARamezani

12:25

So, questions with false premises need a tag name.

Damkerng T.

But you've already had textbook-erratum.

MARamezani

Textbook erratum isn't good IMO.

Erratum means printing error.

Damkerng T.

(false premises is actually a good name for a tag!)

MARamezani

Not misconception or whatever.

Ooooh, wait.

MISCONCEPTIONS.

Nice name.

Damkerng T.

Yes, misconceptions sounds good, too.

MARamezani

12:27

@DamkerngT. It's weird name in a chemistry site.

Will Hunting

Oh I installed Debian 8. Debian is the best linux distribution to me.

MARamezani

Misconceptions seems better.

Damkerng T.

@WillHunting Yay!

MARamezani

@WillHunting Aaah, it's the best Linux distribution to me too.

Will Hunting

But I still think Windows is the best OS, LOL.

Damkerng T.

12:28

It's a very robust one, from what I've heard.

MARamezani

(I'm a win user)

Damkerng T.

LOL

Will Hunting

I ain't joking about Windows, I don't know why so many people hate it.

If you use it properly, you don't really get viruses.

MARamezani

@WillHunting Maybe because when it's open the pollution comes in?

Damkerng T.

I guess it's because it once was not very good.

MARamezani

12:29

0

Q: Why it will be wrong if I use 'that' instead of 'it'?

After she completes the form, ___ will be processed by Jason. 1) that 2) it If I don't use comma after the word 'form', I can use 'that'. But if I use comma, can I use 'that' instead of 'it'? One reference said that it will be wrong if I use 'that' instead of 'it' when comma is used. I don't und...

pronouns

Will Hunting

Vista was bad.

Damkerng T.

nods

MARamezani

That's the most ridiculous textbook exercise I've seen.

@WillHunting Never used it.

Damkerng T.

I still haven't tried Windows 10 that much, but I think it's pretty good.

MARamezani

I suddenly jumped from XP to 8.

Will Hunting

12:30

There was no 9, strangely.

Damkerng T.

@WillHunting They want to catch up with Mac OS X, I guess. :D

MARamezani

@WillHunting Nothing is weird enough about MS.

Will Hunting

@DamkerngT. Maybe it's the rumour that the odd number versions were all bad, LOL.

Damkerng T.

I wonder if there will ever be Mac OS XI...

@WillHunting Probably!

MARamezani

@WillHunting I've seen the images...

Damkerng T.

12:31

@MARamezani Maybe the OP mistyped something or left out some choices?

Will Hunting

As for freezing, I can tell you that whatever you use, freezes occur.

Damkerng T.

@WillHunting Indeed, My iMac crashes too, sometimes.

MARamezani

@WillHunting Especially in the cold weather we have here.

Will Hunting

@MARamezani Do you get snow?

MARamezani

@WillHunting As much as you want. Some snow even hit us some days ago.

Will Hunting

12:33

@MARamezani There is no snow where I live.

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani Cool! Umm... oh, no!

@WillHunting Same here. -- raising hand

MARamezani

@WillHunting I figure out there is no snow where many people live. Guess GW is real after all.

Will Hunting

@MARamezani What is GW?

MARamezani

Oh, I found an image of Mac OS crash:

@WillHunting Global warming.

Damkerng T.

LOL

Where was that oven come from!?

MARamezani

12:35

The factory?

How am I supposed to know?

Damkerng T.

0

Q: "Thanx to"or "Thanx"?

I want to have two different meanings as: I am grateful to Ali. I order Ali that he should be thankful to Zohaib. Which of the following is used in each case: "Thanx Ali" or "Thanx to Ali".

grammaticality verb gerund

I thought you posted that question!

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. WHAT?!

Why?

Damkerng T.

Because of the Thanx, a variant of Tanks!

MARamezani

I never say thanx, unless I'm imitating homework droppers.

Damkerng T.

:D

MARamezani

12:40

Hmm, how is impersonating different from imitating?

Damkerng T.

I just thought you might've been in a good mood and asked about Thanx. :D

@MARamezani Hmm...

Probably depends on context.

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. Tanks.

@DamkerngT. The canonical answer.

Damkerng T.

Hahaha!

The term is used in our canonical answer?

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. No. CONTEXT or I'll close is the canonical answer.

Damkerng T.

Usually, when I hear impersonate, I think of someone trying to say or act in a way that will remind the audience of someone else. Usually, this is just for fun.

Imitate is a bit different. Someone imitating another someone really wants to be like that another someone.

MARamezani

12:45

answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100826080333AAqE93C

All answers have -1s.

Wait a sec!

1

Q: Whats the difference between imitate and impersonate and mimic?

do they mean the same ? Can they be used inter-changeably?

difference

Ultrasawblade's answer seems nice.

Wait some seconds!

Damkerng T.

Yes, I think all answers are saying about the same thing. Ultrasawblade's too.

MARamezani

Dictionaries say the meaning of imitate to be impersonate.

Damkerng T.

That's why I think it's context dependent.

MARamezani

It's always context dependent!

Damkerng T.

Though I think they are most commonly used the way the answers describe.

@MARamezani Yes, even start and begin aren't the same.

MARamezani

12:51

Yeah. Start has an s.

Gowtham

13:10

To me , When a person tries to present himself as someone else for some benefit i see it as impersonating, also feel it is used with a negative connotation
Imitating is more about physical gestures/gimmicks done by ,or body language of , imitator . usually with a fun/positive connotation . Though ,this might be utter naansense :D

MARamezani

Hullo!

Gowtham

hullo

MARamezani

Finally someone's giving in to my saying hullo trend

BTW @Dam I think you can unpin that thing now.

Freddy

hola

MARamezani

@Freddy Hullo.

I wonder, why don't you come to the periodic table ~~so I can kick-mute you~~?

Freddy

13:21

That is the reason I am not coming there

MARamezani

Noooo. I was so close. I should be more meticulous next time.

Freddy

BTW you know what wrong with ADG?

MARamezani

Yes.

It's his tendency to be hostile.

Which, some prefer to call language barrier.

And some, including me, call immaturity.

Freddy

I think I will go with immaturity

MARamezani

But I'm younger than him. And I shut it when I have to.

Freddy

13:25

Sometimes I also feel he is not comfortable with rules of S.E.

Gowtham

highly immature and he himself says "I grew a little revengic"

MARamezani

@Freddy Well...

ADG, Jaipur, India

82 6

account-suspension discussion feature-request support tooltips plagiarism area51

His recent posts aren't showing much insight.

Gowtham

@MARamezani its funny when he thinks you are childish :D

MARamezani

@Gowtham I'm a kid alright, but being funny or trying to be funny != being childish

Freddy

@MARamezani I think I am younger than you

MARamezani

13:28

@Freddy How old?

Gowtham

ya i get it , not everyone has a good sense of humor

Freddy

17

MARamezani

Or a good sense of loling.

@Freddy 16. Haha, beat ya!

Freddy

Are you 1998?

MARamezani

No, I'm a chair cyclohexane, but thanks for asking.

I might considering becoming a boat form too, but that isn't on-topic currently

Freddy

13:32

cycloboat or hexaneboat

MARamezani

Boat.

Sigh Chemists overcomplicate names...

Del Pate

Hello!!

Freddy

hola

MARamezani

Hullo!

Gowtham

herro

MARamezani

13:38

Herro?

That's new.

Gowtham

i learnt it from some twitch site

Freddy

I know I can be at 2 place at time but how can you humans do that?

MARamezani

Huh?

@Freddy Am I a human?

AM I A HUMAN?!

Freddy

Oh you are cyclohexane

Del Pate

I hate chair form!

MARamezani

13:45

@DelPate Chair form hates you too. It whispered that to me.

Del Pate

And boat form hates you. It whispered that to me. @MARamezani

MARamezani

@DelPate Do you know molecular language?

Del Pate

@MARamezani No

MARamezani

@DelPate How did you understand boat's whispering then?

Freddy

He knows boat languages

Del Pate

13:56

Lol. Ya @Freddy

MARamezani

@DelPate I think you need to teach me that before I change my pic to boat cyclohexane.

Freddy

@MARamezani How about new S.E. site for boat language?

MARamezani

Side?

Oh!

@Freddy Good idea.

Damkerng T.

16:01

Puzzle of the Day (What does he like?): dropbox.com/s/dypz8q0wiw4adzc/…

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. Oh no.

Is that your robotic sound again?

News anchor?

Damkerng T.

No, it's not my voice.

There was also another Puzzle of the Day another day. (In case you are interested: What did she say? dropbox.com/s/pqs29gxui54vm94/…)

Damkerng T.

16:16

0

Q: Did I distinguish types of coordination correctly?

Give just a short answer in comments. Is it right? It was bad enough to share a cabin for fourteen days with anyone, but I should have looked upon it with dismay - adversative coordination. He had been asked to dinner at half past nine and it was nearly ten - copulative coordination. ...

grammar

I'm thinking... adversative coordination is a term used only in the linguistics circle in Russia...

glottopedia.org/index.php/Adversative_coordination

Anonymous

I think it's actually fairly well known

Anonymous

Maybe only by linguists, though...

Damkerng T.

Ahh... the first 10 hits of my Google results for adversative coordination except for the Glottpedia are all from non-English-speaking countries.

(I'm not sure where Glottpedia is from.)

Anonymous

Well, you might also see adversative conjunction

Damkerng T.

Morning!

@snailboat Oh, the results look different!

(Still got 1 hit from Russia)

MARamezani

16:27

@snailboat Moaning snailor!

0

Q: Did I distinguish types of coordination correctly?

Give just a short answer in comments. Is it right? It was bad enough to share a cabin for fourteen days with anyone, but I should have looked upon it with dismay - adversative coordination. He had been asked to dinner at half past nine and it was nearly ten - copulative coordination. ...

grammar

Is this chemistry.SE?

> Give just a short answer in comments...

Wait. Is that right to do?

Anonymous

@MARamezani Please don't say that...

MARamezani

It's a right thing to do?

Anonymous

I can't link my response to the specific message on my phone, so I'll rephrase: Please don't say things like "Moaning snailor!"

MARamezani

OK. Mourning snailor! :}

Anonymous

That's tolerable

MARamezani

16:32

Wait! That doesn't necessarily mean you're moaning!

Anonymous

I know it was a pun (even if the words don't sound very similar in my variety of English), just please don't put those words together like that :-)

MARamezani

I see where this is getting to... Okay.

Anonymous

Thanks :-)

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Labeling but adversative is not that uncommon

Anonymous

It's a nice language-neutral label

Damkerng T.

16:36

nods

From what I gathered, I think it's based on Latin grammar. -- I mean the term.

Anonymous

And different languages do this sort of thing differently

MARamezani

@snailboat It doesn't get that fancy name here, but the language term for it implies so.

Anonymous

Well, the label isn't the most important thing—what you call stuff is of secondary importance at best

MARamezani

@Snail or I have a question.

Anonymous

But sometimes picking a specific label is more convenient than saying thingy :-)

Anonymous

16:39

@MARamezani What's up?

MARamezani

How irritating is it for natives to see an i where they should see I?

@snailboat Hehe!

Anonymous

Well, every native speaker is different. Some are blind or illiterate. Some always type lowercase i themselves

Anonymous

Some people don't care. Some people probably get pretty annoyed :-)

MARamezani

OK. How irritating do linguists find it?

Anonymous

Linguists as a group aren't generally that fixated on stuff like capitalization

MARamezani

16:40

I, for one, get pretty annoyed.

@snailboat Yes I Think You'Re Right.

Anonymous

That's fine, you're in good company :-)

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani I guess it's probably about the same as when a chemist sees h2o. :P

Anonymous

Well, most linguists focus on spoken language and see the written language as secondary

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. That. Is. Very. Annoying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!‌!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!‌!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!‌!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!‌!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damkerng T.

LOL

Anonymous

16:43

English teachers, on the other hand, tend to focus more on things like capitalizing i :-)

MARamezani

Yes, and with that many exclamation marks.

Gowtham

meh , chat is just an informal medium , i think i got into lower case typing cos of my gaming habits, not much time for etiquette for 5 secs :P

MARamezani

@snailboat Better ping @Jim.

@Jim

Hey @Jim

Anonymous

@Gowtham Yeah, I type in all lowercase sometimes. Not on SE, but in games and such

MARamezani

Do you focus on capitalizing I (meaning I) @Jim?

Really @Jim?

You must be kidding @Jim.

I think that's enough pings @Jim.

Anonymous

16:44

It honestly feels more appropriate to use all lowercase in certain sorts of chat. Like if you capitalize stuff you're standing out as, hmm, I'm not sure what, but definitely standing out

MARamezani

I'll make you regret not coming to chat when I'm in @Jim.

@snailboat As an I'm-not-sure-what?

Anonymous

Not an, just

Damkerng T.

@snailboat I know that feeling quite well!

MARamezani

Feels relieved pinging @Jim that much

Anonymous

I just used a zero-length word

MARamezani

16:46

@DamkerngT. Tell me more. Get's ready to LMAO up

Damkerng T.

Oh, nothing much. Let's say that sometimes I visit ~~free~~ public chat rooms elsewhere too.

I should fix that to public.

Anonymous

On SE chat I typically try to spell properly, and I generally capitalize stuff that needs it—but I'm not really picky about what constitutes a sentence, and I often leave out terminal punctuation

Anonymous

Using a terminal period is marked in online chat, I think

Damkerng T.

Oh, and I still can't figure out what this symbol means. --> |o|

Anonymous

The period is sort of invisible in normal writing, but online it adds some sort of meaning

Anonymous

16:48

@DamkerngT. I think it means 5555

Damkerng T.

Hah!

I see some people usually use it before they leave the room.

Anonymous

People say lol out loud these days

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. It's \o usually.

Means something like a hi I guess.

Damkerng T.

I'm not sure if it's someone raising two hands, or a variant of lol, or a fork, a plate, and a spoon.

Anonymous

It's not just a discourse particle, either—it's a noun

MARamezani

16:50

@DamkerngT. It's a |o|. That's easy to figure out.

Anonymous

Wait, you didn't type lol? That's what it looks like on my phone

Damkerng T.

It's a vertical bar, an o, and a vertical bar.

MARamezani

@snailboat Beat your phone up.

Anonymous

I can't distinguish ell from a pipe on my phone

Damkerng T.

Ahh... Apple didn't think of that!

Anonymous

16:52

I miss when vertical pipes were broken in the middle

Anonymous

Whatever happened to those?

Damkerng T.

Oh, yes! When was it that I saw it the last time?

MARamezani

@snailboat Distinguish this: | l | | | l I | | | I lll ||||||| l I

Damkerng T.

lol

Anonymous

@MARamezani It would probably win

MARamezani

16:54

Y'know, one of the biggest dilemmas about the font we choose after graduation back at chemistry.SE is distinguishing between those.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. When I read about adversative coordination, I think I was given the example of German

MARamezani

Hehe! Just that immature kid called me a moron back at chemistry chat.

Anonymous

But I apparently don't remember what I learned very well :-)

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