ELL's Cabin

Anonymous

19:00

Well, the most important thing is grapheme-phoneme correspondence. Once you can relate the symbols on the page to your spoken language, you can use your native spoken language processor

Damkerng T.

Hmm... but what about reading comprehension?

Anonymous

Just reading a lot will help with that for most people

Damkerng T.

nods

Anonymous

Some people have various problems that make it difficult

Anonymous

Like attention deficit disorder

Anonymous

19:01

Schools do teach reading comprehension, though I'm not sure how effective it is

Anonymous

I think that in general getting kids to read more helps more than reading comprehension exercises

Anonymous

But I'm not an expert

Anonymous

I'm grateful to all the English teachers I had growing up, though :-)

Damkerng T.

:D

Anonymous

Even if sometimes I wasn't really happy with certain sorts of assignments and so on

Damkerng T.

19:03

I think we all are.

Anonymous

It's often said that teaching a book ruins it

Damkerng T.

Eh?

Anonymous

Kids in school are forced to read books they don't want to read, then they have to answer a bunch of questions after each chapter―what did the rain symbolize in The Great Gatsby?

Damkerng T.

Ahh... I see.

Anonymous

It can suck the fun out of a book.

Anonymous

19:04

Sometimes people go back years later and read a book they hated in school and say, "Hey, I actually like this book!"

Anonymous

Though sometimes it's the book.

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

I guess it's the same for me in my history classes.

Anonymous

There are people who'd say Lord of the Flies is mainly successful because it's on high school reading lists, not because of any intrinsic merits :-)

Damkerng T.

"Why do I have to remember what happened when!?"

Anonymous

Sheesh, I can never remember which books have a leading the

MARamezani

19:06

Sheesh, I think I just made someone else say sheesh.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. History is exciting because it happened! Probably. I mean, sometimes we find out things were inaccurate here and there.

Anonymous

@MARamezani Sheesh!

Damkerng T.

@snailboat I haven't watched Lord of the Flies but I saw a few scenes of it, and I'm not sure if I will like it.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Oh, um, I don't really recommend it unless that's your sort of thing

Anonymous

Though it's Culturally Important.

Anonymous

19:07

At least in the Anglosphere.

Anonymous

So it wouldn't hurt to be at least familiar with it.

Damkerng T.

nods

Oh, @MAR is back!

MARamezani

No, I'm front.

Just looking at the mess of Anglo something.

Anonymous

Anglosphere

Anglosphere refers to a set of English-speaking nations with a similar cultural heritage, based upon populations originating from the nations of the British Isles (England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland), and which today maintain close political and military cooperation. While the nations included in different sources vary, the term anglosphere usually does not include all countries where English is an official language, although the nations that are commonly included were all once part of the British Empire. In its most restricted sense, the term covers the United Kingdom, Ireland, the United States...

MARamezani

Just like making hollywood == bollywood

Damkerng T.

19:14

Can anyone guess the meaning of this headline? หนีตายอลหม่าน! แอมโมเนียโรงน้ำแข็งเมืองเชียงใหม่รั่ว

> หนี=escape, ตาย=death, อลหม่าน=chaotic! แอมโมเนีย=ammonia, โรงน้ำแข็ง=ice factory, เมือง=city, เชียงใหม่=Chiang Mai (a city), รั่ว=leak

> [escape-death-chaotic! ammonia-ice factory-city-Chiang Mai-leak]

MARamezani

@DamkerngT. I can!

It means

> หนีตายอลหม่าน! แอมโมเนียโรงน้ำ is แข็งเมืองเชียงใหม่รั่ว

Damkerng T.

LOL

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. I think that when you MT from Thai to Japanese on Google Translate, it goes through English as a middle step

MARamezani

Solid ammonia leak in factory in Chiang Mai caused a chaotic death?

Anonymous

When I put that in, I get 'Dead Riot!' at the beginning in English

Damkerng T.

19:20

@snailboat LOL!

Anonymous

And デッドライオット！ in Japanese

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani Very close!

Anonymous

Which is the same thing :-)

MARamezani

YAYAYAYAY!

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani The chaotic is about the manner of the escape, and in the news it was ammonia gas. But you get the gist of it without having to learn Thai!

MARamezani

19:23

What about ice? Oh, it was ice factory?

Of course!

Damkerng T.

Yes!

MARamezani

Solid ammonia doesn't leak.

Because it evaporates first.

Damkerng T.

nods

MARamezani

And in the industry usually liquid ammonia is used.

Because the specific heat of ammonia is even higher than water.

Damkerng T.

I'm not sure how they use it in ice factories.

MARamezani

19:25

BTW my yaying was because of a badge earning.

Damkerng T.

Oh, yay! Congrats!

What badge was it?

MARamezani

But I agree, the solid ammonia thingy was a little bit unscientific, coming from me.

@DamkerngT. GUESS!

Damkerng T.

Hmm... protecting something?

:P

MARamezani

I just earned outspoken on ELL.

Now I'm officially a chat reg.

Damkerng T.

Oh, yay!

MARamezani

19:28

Anonymous

Which one is Outspoken?

MARamezani

@snailboat Have 10 messages in chat, starred by 10 different users.

Anonymous

Neat!

MARamezani

So, the image is just fitting the case.

Anonymous

So it's like the sequel to Talkative.

Anonymous

19:31

I knew that at one point, but I forgot.

MARamezani

Yep.

But no gold.

@snailboat what the?!

Anonymous

What the what?

MARamezani

You no haz outspoken?!

Anonymous

@MARamezani Hmm, I got it more than a year ago

Anonymous

ell.stackexchange.com/help/badges/69/outspoken

MARamezani

19:36

Oh wait...

I forgot to scroll down.

I should've known it's impossible to be a snail vehicle and not have an outspoken.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. I don't really know if the other room will survive in the long haul, but I think that's okay―people can always re-create it if they want :-)

Damkerng T.

@snailboat 10-4!

Anonymous

I feel more comfortable in this room

MARamezani

@Dam just burned the other room because he had bad memories.

Such an abuse of robotic power.

Anonymous

I imagine he has a lot of power. At least 1.21 Jigawatts.

user116848

19:43

hi

Damkerng T.

Ah, that's another vehicle!

user116848

Hmmm new room.

Anonymous

Oh, my mistake!

user116848

First time I stepped in here :-)

user116848

Hi Damkerng!

MARamezani

19:44

@DamkerngT. Yeah. You have 1.21E34263523527 Jigawatts..

Hullo @stoney!

Anonymous

@MARamezani That power has a rather large power in it!

Anonymous

(I'd normally say exponent, but I couldn't resist doubling up on power :-)

MARamezani

@snailboat It's the power of random typing.

@Stoney I don't think there's much grammaticality going on now.

Anonymous

Anyone have an opinion on coordinand versus coordinate? :-)

Anonymous

For "thing being coordinated"

Anonymous

19:50

H&P use coordinate. Haspelmath uses coordinand

MARamezani

Coordinanate

Anonymous

My initial instinct was that coordinate is a nicer sounding word, but I thought coordinand might have a more obvious meaning by analogy (operator : operand :: coordinator : coordinand)

Anonymous

Though not all coordination involves a coordinator (unless you posit a zero / null coordinator)

MARamezani

Can't they leave in peace? (Or piece?)

Anonymous

I think that was a joke but I didn't understand it

MARamezani

19:54

Couldn't there be something with both nand and nate?

Anonymous

I originally was using the idea of a zero coordinator, but H&P's idea of coordination as a headless construction seems to make more sense

Anonymous

@MARamezani Well, you can do everything with just NAND.

Anonymous

I think I might borrow H&P's coordinate terminology :-)

MARamezani

Heh.

I'm not trying to figure out why my LaTeX IDE produces error.

Anonymous

Have you tried LyX?

Anonymous

19:56

It's what I used to use.

MARamezani

Hmm...

Anonymous

I don't know how good its support for chemistry stuff is.

MARamezani

Damn! Nothing worked. Got error after error. I'm gonna sleep. Bye!

Anonymous

@MARamezani Rest well!

Damkerng T.

@MARamezani Nighty night!

user116848

20:05

@MARamezani See you!

Damkerng T.

22:26

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Q: Through Vs Outside Of

I have a question about the usage of "through" and "outside of". Consider these sentences: 1a. He made transactions through Amazon Payments. 2a. He made sales through Ebay. 3a. He made wire transfers through Bank Of America. According to google searches, the opposite of the above s...

A strange way to learn a language.

Many ways to skin a cat.

Poor cat!

Damkerng T.

22:48

Unlike as a verb is in Macmillan now! macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/unlike_2

Along with words like defriend, defollow, refriend, unfriend, etc.!

Anonymous

23:12

@DamkerngT. It's recent but well established, I think, so it makes sense that it'd work its way into dictionaries sooner or later

Anonymous

I'm actually more familiar with your other examples

Anonymous

That might be because I don't use Facebook

Damkerng T.

I looked it up because I wondered if unlike can be used as a conjunction.

1

Q: he didn't even pee himself unlike a lot of people do the first time they jump -- unlike? is this sentence grammatically correct?

Skydiving cats cause uproar (YouTube video, starting at 1m57s): We did dig up one snippet of video of a real cat skydiving. Four years ago, a member of a Russian parachute club sewed a jumpsuit for his cat. The cat seemed calm till right before they leaped. But after landing safely the owner ...

grammaticality

I upvoted the answer, though I think it's a bit conservative.

Anonymous

I actually think both like and unlike can be used there with the same meaning, though unlike seems like a marked choice to me

Anonymous

But that disagrees with what Catija wrote, so maybe it's not so straightforward as that

Damkerng T.

23:16

nods

Anonymous

I think the reason is that the scope is ambiguous

Anonymous

But context makes it clear what meaning is intended, so regardless of whether like or unlike is used, the reader can pick the appropriate scope and understand it the way the author intended it

Anonymous

I haven't read the answer yet

Damkerng T.

I haven't checked the clip, but I guess it will sound as if a comma is there, in front of unlike.

Anonymous

Oh! It's from audio

Anonymous

23:17

Let me listen

Damkerng T.

Yes!

Anonymous

Yes, there definitely seems to be an intonational boundary before unlike

Damkerng T.

Ahh (still haven't listened to the clip :-)

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. I think that question is difficult to answer

Anonymous

I'll give it an upvote, though, because it seems like it deserves one :-)

Damkerng T.

23:25

nods -- After checking a few sources, I decided to leave it for others.

Yay!

Longman Dictionary of Common Errors warns against using like as the conjunction as, even!

Oh, BTW, I got the bounty for the catenative construction question. Woohoo!

Thanks for your tip!

Anonymous

Yay!

Damkerng T.

23:59

Today I learned: folk == folks!

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