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Thijser

3:25 PM

@cl I don't know when the other users will look into it, several of them posted in askubuntu and since abandoned it so I'm not entirely certain

terdon

@Rinzwind Ha! :P

cl-netbox

@Thijser okay, we'll see ... good afternoon to you ! :)

Thijser

Good afternoon

cl-netbox

@terdon :D :D :D

Hi terdon ! :)

terdon

o/

Thijser

3:30 PM

@cl-netbox ah it looks like someone confirmed the bug 8 minutes ago

cl-netbox

@Thijser great ! good news ... now the status has changed to confirmed ! :) First step done ... :)

Thijser

The next step probably will not go as fast as the one time I reported a security bug

cl-netbox

@Thijser When more users confirm it, the importance level rises up and then the thing should accelerate :)

Thijser

At least with the number of links I spread around the internet searching just about anything related to the left speaker of subwoofer and ubuntu places the bug somewhere on the first page

TheXed

Does anyone know what a VCR/DVD player is?

Thijser

3:44 PM

@TheXed lifewire.com/dvd-recorder-vhs-vcr-combination-1846611

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

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Q: How do I limit traffic on a per port basis (Ubuntu Server)

I want to set up a datacap system for a server I am running a proxy on. I'm not interested in throttling bandwidth. I just want to limit users to x GB per month/week/day etc. All my googling has returned data on throttling. Thank you.

TheXed

Okay, @Thijser but do you know how to put the DVD in the player, select the source button, and press play?

Thijser

@TheXed Well I would start by opening the dvd tray (assuming the device is plugged in), put in the dvd in the tray, close the tray, look for the "source"button press it and then look for the "play" button and then press it. But I guess you already tried that?

TheXed

It wasn't me that was having the issue...I was just making sure I wasn't the only one in the world that could follow the simple logic of running one of these things...

Thijser

I have a suspicion that somewhere in this scenario there is a 50+ year old involved, is that correct?

TheXed

3:52 PM

@Thijser, no...a 20 something...

Thijser

how the hell did a 20 something get a vcr system?

cl-netbox

@Thijser Are you talking about me ? hahaha :D

TheXed

Substitute teacher in a classroom

Thijser

ah in that case tell him/her to ask one of the kids to figure it out

cl-netbox

@Thijser maybe from his parents ? :D

TheXed

3:54 PM

@Thijser that is even worse...

one kid said to me "I don't know much about computers so I couldn't help..."

Thijser

@TheXed it will be a fun learning experience

TheXed

I said it is a VCR...

Thijser

well kids have to know how to operate a device, it could be an interesting experience for them to try and figure out how to operate this device (how old are the kids and are they special needs?)

TheXed

The American education system has failed for the last 50 years by not teaching kids how to critically think...we are starting to see the effects of this...

High school aged and no.

Thijser

ehm they should be able to figure this stuff out, perhaps send them a youtube video on how to do this?

Anwar

3:56 PM

askubuntu.com/questions/540/how-do-i-develop-net-apps-on-ubuntu The bounty should be the easiest. I'm surprised to see it's still not awarded

cl-netbox

@TheXed not only in America ... the same you can see here. :)

TheXed

Hurry everyone remember all the math facts, but we don't need to know why or how we arrived at the conclusion...

My wife (who is a teacher) and I debate about this all the time...

My theory is we don't need to know what the facts are as long as we know how to do the math...

might be handy, but isn't a neccessity...

Serg

@TheXed college system in particular pisses me off, because of the tuition and textbook prices plus some teachers who just dgaf about teaching

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Thijser

I think that heavily depends on who you are and on what level you are, a future scientists should now the entire theory, a future auto mechanic just needs to know how to do the basics

cl-netbox

@Serg Sir, what kind of words are you using ? ... hahaha ... Hi Sergiy ! :)

Thijser

4:00 PM

That's why I'm in favour of teaching subjects on multiple levels depending on how good a child is at that thing

Serg

@cl-netbox morning :)

Zacharee1

@Serg what's the shell syntax for if ("$1" == SBSignature)?

TheXed

@Thijser just a point of correction...there is no theory if there is a fact at the end...

cl-netbox

@Thijser That's great ! :)

Zacharee1

actually

nvm

I'll just make another script :p

Thijser

4:02 PM

@Serg times like these make me feel good about how I "only" spend 6k on my tuition and books, while receiving 10k from the governement

Serg

@Zacharee1 if [ "$1" ="string" ] ; then ... fi

note spaces after.square braces

Zacharee1

that's so weird

TheXed

But I digress...

Serg

also arg1 , equals, and arg2 all are separated by space

@Zacharee1 there is a reason for that

TheXed

Because how do we teach a new generation how to think critically if our current teachers don't even know how...

Serg

4:04 PM

@TheXed well, they will have to research.

cl-netbox

@TheXed then the parents will have to do the job - right ? :)

TheXed

@cl-netbox parents are useless :-P

Anwar

here is the answer to get that 50 bounty channel9.msdn.com/Blogs/dotnet/…

Serg

more on that topic later. i cannot type properly on phone

cl-netbox

@Anwar then write the answer ... Hi Anwar ! :)

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4:05 PM

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Q: Setting the persistence-path boot parameter

I want to set up Ubuntu Live with Persistence Storage and want to keep persistent data in an image file. The main operating system is Windows and I stored the image file in an NTFS formatted drive. I prepared the image file using the dd command. Now, I tried adding persistence-path=/path/to/ima...

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Thijser

@TheXed by showing enough stupidity independent thought can be encouraged.

Anwar

@cl-netbox I'm the bounty setter. hi :)

TheXed

@Thijser they refuse to believe their children are incapable...

Thijser

@TheXed well you just gotta out stupid the parents by showing an even more stupid teacher and then they might start thinking critically

TheXed

Or they will just follow the lead...

cl-netbox

4:09 PM

@TheXed that is the real problem ...

Thijser

@TheXed there comes a point where you show such unadulterated stupidity that it becomes impossible to follow the lead, have you considered bringing in a flat earther?

TheXed

@Thijser I was thinking about bringing in a evolutionist...

Thijser

@TheXed sure he won't just get burned at the stake?

ugh github is slow

TheXed

@Thijser if I do that...one way or another someone is going to leave feeling more stupid then when they came into the room...

cl-netbox

Are you a teacher @Thijser ?

Thijser

4:13 PM

@cl-netbox no but I have been a TA for a few courses

(computer graphics, an AI related course and something about software engineering)

TheXed

@Thijser I don't think we are allowed to burn people at the stake anymore...

Thijser

@TheXed that requires the involved parties to be aware of history or law right?

Ask Ubuntu Meta

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Q: Delete and repost or complete rewrite?

I've been reviewing some of my answers in an effort to improve them. During this process I ran across an answer that required a complete replacement. It was of poor quality and didn't belong here (yes, I'm embarrassed as well I should be) I deleted my original (0 vote) answer and replaced it with...

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user136984

@AskUbuntuMeta And about time too! :D

cl-netbox

4:29 PM

@ParanoidPanda If you pay for support you can use it even longer - did you know that ? :D Good afternoon panda ! :)

Serg

OK I'm back. . . .

cl-netbox

@Serg nice :) welcome back my friend :)

Serg

@Zacharee1 so about the bash's if statement. Here's the biggest truth of all : if statement in bash (or any other shell for that matter) doesn't really behave like if statement in other programming languages. It checks return statements of a command, and that's where it's important. Square brace is the "test" command, and that's why spaces are also important. So , this: if test "$1" = "some_string" ; then . . . fi would be equivalent

Zacharee1

still weird

Serg

true that, but that's just how shells roll

Ask Ubuntu Meta

4:36 PM

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Q: Can we burninate shared?

shared is useless. Just completely and utterly useless. It doesn't refer to anything currently, is used all over the place (shared folders/shared libraries/shared memory), and has no definition for obvious reasons. Each of those reasons have their own specific tag already: sharing for data (ev...

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user136984

@cl-netbox Yes, I also got an email about that. ESM was it?

Kaz Wolfe

@Serg eww single ply

cl-netbox

@ParanoidPanda yes :)

Serg

@KazWolfe hush, I'm broke, only can afford single ply

Kaz Wolfe

@Serg you poor poor soul

Serg

4:46 PM

@KazWolfe better than sandpaper amirite ?

Kaz Wolfe

@Serg barely

Serg

@KazWolfe is that . . . time for barrel puns ?

Kaz Wolfe

@Serg no.

Serg

well, that is a.bucket of.disappointment

bleh, i cannot make puns today, brain too tired

barrel with me for a second, i will come up with something

cl-netbox

@Serg why not give yourself some rest then ? :)

Serg

4:51 PM

@cl-netbox i am at work

cl-netbox

@Serg hmmm ... then make a break afterwards ... :)

Serg

there is barrely any time for that

i have class after work

Kaz Wolfe

\o/

I've fully broken my apt-get habit :D

cl-netbox

@Serg when you don't give yourself some rest from time to time, you'll ruin your health ...

@KazWolfe how that ? what did you change ?

Kaz Wolfe

@cl-netbox Using regular apt now.

Serg

4:57 PM

@KazWolfe so can we say . . . you apt-don't-get it now ?

cl-netbox

@KazWolfe oh I am using it since 16.10 was released ... one advantage : less to type ! :D

@Serg Have you seen this @ParanoidPanda ? :D

Serg

Not a panda, but we can bear with it

(as you can see I'm trying hard to exercise my punny muscles)

cl-netbox

@Serg :D

@Zanna Just out of curiosity : why did you remove the tag gnome-boxes from the question -> askubuntu.com/questions/888557/… ? @ParanoidPanda asks something about the usage of gnome-boxes ... :) Good afternoon to you ! :)

Serg

5:17 PM

GNOME Boxes

Boxes, also known as GNOME Boxes is an application of the GNOME Desktop Environment, used to access remote or virtual systems. == History and functionality == GNOME Boxes was initially introduced as beta software in GNOME 3.3 (development branch for 3.4) as of Dec 2011, and as a preview release in GNOME 3.4. Its primary functions are as a virtual machine manager, remote desktop client (over VNC), and remote filesystem browser, utilizing the libvirt, libvirt-glib, and libosinfo technologies. This enables the viewing of remote systems and virtual machines on other computers in addition to locally...

@cl-netbox @Zanna @cl-netbox rolled it back for now

Ok, at some point somehow I should be able to start studying . . . now what is that point ?

I need a pointer

waiting for someone to respond with int *ptr = &studying;

Thijser

@Serg en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointer_(dog_breed)

cl-netbox

@Thijser :D

Thijser

Let's hope that somehow translating pulseaudio to Dutch is going to help them solve my problem

jokerdino

@cl-netbox Easy to tell why. That's the only question with gnome-boxes as the tag.

Some other questions related to gnome-boxes have boxes as the tag.

Wonder what should be done.

cl-netbox

@jokerdino interesting ... who created the tag ?

Serg

5:28 PM

char const *sound = "woof"; @Thijser

jokerdino

@cl-netbox Panda.

Jacob Vlijm

No clue what the discussion above is about (too tired to read) but we definitely need the tag: blub

cl-netbox

@jokerdino hmmm ... what do you think - should we keep boxes or gnome-boxes ? gnome-boxes is more suitable I think, boxes can be everything ... such like "cl-netboxes" ... hahaha :D

jokerdino

@cl-netbox We need a meta discussion I feel.

Serg

@jokerdino @Zanna gnome-boxes at least is clear enough. boxes is arbitrary. Now, while there's two other questions tagged with boxes, I don't think it wins that much advantage. Other questions can be easily re-tagged. At least that's my opinion

Thijser

5:32 PM

So time to quicly retag all of the [boxes] question to [gnome boxes]

Serg

OK, actually 9 questions

jokerdino

Can we have a discussion on meta before we do that?

cl-netbox

@Serg I agree with you ... a meta discussion for 9 questions would be a bit too much effort @jokerdino ... so let's re-tag boxes to gnome-boxes. :)

Jacob Vlijm

^No

jokerdino

I am kinda inclined towards gnome-boxes but I don't want to do that without hearing what others have to say.

Jacob Vlijm

5:33 PM

^Yes

Thijser

I vote gnome-boxes

Jacob Vlijm

I vote meta

Serg

I vote potato 2020

Jacob Vlijm

^Yes

cl-netbox

@JacobVlijm Why Jacob ? Good afternoon ! :)

jokerdino

5:34 PM

We already have a potato.

Jacob Vlijm

Hey CL

Me? @jokerdino

cl-netbox

I vote cl-netboxes ... hahaha

Zanna

Yes I was just purging newly created tags that seemed unnecessary

jokerdino

@JacobVlijm Not you haha

Jacob Vlijm

@jokerdino Glad to hear :) I am a carrot

Zanna

5:36 PM

However, if we do need that tag, then I will refrain from assaulting it

jokerdino

@JacobVlijm I like carrot.

Zanna

@JacobVlijm or a mango

Jacob Vlijm

Orange :)

jokerdino

I like Oranje.

Zanna

On the inside

Jacob Vlijm

5:36 PM

^ See, good people do @jokerdino

jokerdino

They have lots of windmill.

Serg

Orange is the new black . . . or something . . .

cl-netbox

@Zanna it is simply the more correct and matching tag - new or not :)

Zanna

Yeaaaahhh

Jacob Vlijm

What, orange?

Zanna

5:37 PM

Ooops that was to orange is the new black

Thijser

@JacobVlijm Dutch nationalism?

Zanna

Which is a good thing

jokerdino

?

Jacob Vlijm

Haha

^ The average birthday party talk

Zanna

No! Omg must refrain from chatting on mobile

Big mistake

Jacob Vlijm

5:38 PM

No orange?

jokerdino

Yes orange.

cl-netbox

@jokerdino Were Johan Cruyff and Marco van Basten ever part of the Citizens ? :D

Serg

Well, one day I'm totally going to change my avatar to complete my transformation into Jacob's clone, and will change my avatar into single-color image

How about bright pink ?

jokerdino

Would be too much pink.

Jacob Vlijm

^ I am your fan!

Serg

5:39 PM

@jokerdino there's never enough pink (ΦωΦ）

Zanna

I like pink

jokerdino

@cl-netbox No, but I like orange :/

Thijser

@Serg what about blue?

cl-netbox

@jokerdino Me too ... and most of the Dutch people ! :)

jokerdino

Pink means meat to me :(

Zanna

5:41 PM

Ugh

jokerdino

I don't like pink much.

Thijser

@Zanna representing the vegetarian side of things?

Zanna

Yup

Thijser

(stereotyping entirely based on your avatar)

jokerdino

@cl-netbox :)

Zanna

5:42 PM

@Thijser I'm vegan :)

Thijser

What's your view on single celled organisms?

Jacob Vlijm

Who is?

(never counted them)

Zanna

They are interesting?

jokerdino

@Thijser I can say good on them for not building a wall!

Except those that do I mean.

Jacob Vlijm

I believe my blood sugar is a bit low... have to get some food, see you later :)

Zanna

5:44 PM

@Thijser plants are complex multicellular organisms and I mercilessly eat them

jokerdino

@JacobVlijm cya :)

Thijser

@Zanna what about single celled animals?

cl-netbox

@JacobVlijm Bon apetite ! :)

Zanna

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Q: Is yeast-risen bread (or other baked products) vegan?

Most breads are leavened with yeast, which is killed during baking. If my recipe is flour, water, yeast, and a bit of salt, is the resulting bread non-vegan?

veganism yeast

cl-netbox

@Thijser Are you from Belgium or Netherlands ? :)

Zanna

5:46 PM

@Thijser there aren't any single celled animals

Thijser

@cl-netbox Netherlands

cl-netbox

@Thijser nice :)

jokerdino

@Thijser I am sorry

Serg

Go vote , right meow !!! strawpoll.me/12536696

cl-netbox

@jokerdino why sorry ? orange is orange ... :D

Thijser

5:48 PM

@Zanna I was thinking about things like the tardigrade

Zanna

What's that?

Thijser

(sorry if it's annoying I just love finding where people place their boundries on their ethical viewpoints)

Zanna

Oh I found it

That's not unicellular at all

Thijser

aww I was just typing out what it was

Zanna

Oh, don't let me stop you ;)

Thijser

5:52 PM

Couldn't remember the name of the unicellular life form I was thinking about...

Zanna

It can't be an animal, must be a protist

Thijser

Well in general what is your viewpoint on the kingdom of Protista (which are the "fuck it if we know" group of lifeforms and include many creatures that without this group would be considered animals?).

Serg

Well . . . that doesn't help my indecisive nature

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jokerdino

@Serg You need to vote

Rinzwind

6:04 PM

@cl-netbox stupid question :=D

cl-netbox

@Serg royal blue of course ... royal for royal scripting ... blue for, well for being blue (word for being drunken in German) from drinking that much vodka and whisky ! :D :D :D

@Rinzwind why is that stupid ? :D

Rinzwind

@cl-netbox ofcourse he is dutch

we dutch are omnipresent

cl-netbox

@Rinzwind and how can I know this ? :D

Thijser

We shall rule the seas!

Rinzwind

@cl-netbox see my previous sentense

cl-netbox

6:08 PM

@Rinzwind hahaha :D

Kaz Wolfe

derp.

i just scanned a document at 2400 dpi by accident ;-;

Thijser

Anyway I have to increase my caloric intake

cl-netbox

@Thijser you already do - don't you ? ask @Rinzwind ! :D

Thijser

see you guys

@cl-netbox we only rule a few seas right now, there are still a few hiding far away from us

cl-netbox

@Thijser goodbye - see you later ! :)

@Thijser hahaha ... nice :D

Rinzwind

6:09 PM

:)

Serg

Owl right, so now Royal Blue is in the lead by 40%

cl-netbox

@Serg great ! :D

Serg

I'll keep the straw poll on until like 12:45, and if things don't change by then, Royal Blue it is

Kaz Wolfe

final file size of an 8.5x11 scan of my signature @ 2400dpi: 174.63 mb

Serg

Can you imagine how confused people will be ? There's an orange guy and blue guy , all writing some cryptic code in python, and arguing in comments about stuff ? People are going to be royally confused

@JacobVlijm cc ^

Rinzwind

6:13 PM

so use orange too!

it is the best color ever anyways

jokerdino

I vote for Olive Green.

Rinzwind

that is like voting for puke :=)

orange ftw

jokerdino

It matches with his current gravatar then :P

Serg

i asked a student.to.put sticky note.on mac when she is done so i can work on it

well, she did

Nathan Osman

6:31 PM

I love how the moment your Apple Developer subscription expires, they pull your apps.

terdon

@Serg What were you expecting? Some sort of software note thing?

Serg

@terdon Well, I was expecting the student to put it on the side, like bottom left corner. But this works too, makes it impossible to miss

terdon

@Serg Ah, right. OK

Serg

Actually . . . I should just stop expecting anything from people . . . Humans are absolutely unpredictable . . . and that's why I love software and computers . . . at least I can deal with those

Zanna

Hmmm I like it that people surprise me all the time

Serg

6:48 PM

I like it when people surprise me in positive way. Not in the "facepalm, now why did you do that ?" type of way

Kaz Wolfe

ok, keybase is cool.

Serg

Well, by popular demand, Royal blue wins

Kaz Wolfe

like, really cool. i never got a chance to use it, but it's awesome.

cl-netbox

@Serg I can't see it ... :D

Serg

@cl-netbox takes time to sync across all the sites

Rinzwind

6:51 PM

@Serg a coder should be different and not follow the crowd :+)

Serg

@Rinzwind I am different. I wasn't following the crowd, I gave them a straw poll to decide :p

cl-netbox

@Rinzwind He didn't follow the crowd - he was convinced by my arguments ! :D

Serg

cl-netbox

@Serg cool :D

Kaz Wolfe

@Serg :'(

Jacob Vlijm

6:55 PM

@Serg I'd like to argue with you on the fact that we are arguing. We are not.

Serg

@KazWolfe looks like you voted to keep derpwolf ?

Kaz Wolfe

On a more serious note. @Serg, you are hereby to turn in your Wolf Card to the proper authorities (any current wolf) for destruction. Continued possession of your Wolf Card is illegal and is subject to penalties including but not limited to being hunted down by the pack.

Serg

@KazWolfe I lost it 2 weeks ago anyway :p

Kaz Wolfe

You are further not permitted to request another Wolf card for at least 4 weeks, at which point you must again prove that you are, in fact, a wolf.

cl-netbox

Goodbye - see you tomorrow :)

Serg

6:57 PM

@cl-netbox good night

cl-netbox

@Serg Thanks - same for you ! :)

Serg

@KazWolfe How does one prove they're a wolf ? Howl and wag tail ?

Kaz Wolfe

If you do request another Wolf Card without both of these things being true, you must wait an additional 3 months from time of last submission to re-submit your application. The timer restarts every time you submit before your ban has expired and/or failure to provide proper identification at time of submission.

Serg

Geeee, so complex . . . I'll just apply to being a potato . . . I'm sure GLaDOS will welcome me to the ranks

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