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Serg

12:00 AM

facebook is starting to get annoying

mainly due to general display of human stupidity

Nathan Osman

12:20 AM

This USB cable might be a tad too long...

Seth

some serious nostalgia there.

Serg

@NathanOsman There's no such thing as USB cable being too long. They're always not long enough

Nathan Osman

I had the cable connected to a USB extension cable and it must have been too long. The device kept getting power resets.

Serg

what about the connector itself ? Poor contact could cause it

Nathan Osman

Possibly.

I removed the extension cable, so we'll see if that helps.

Serg

12:31 AM

Odd behavior. When I try to move cursor to left monitor, it causes dash to show up

Zacharee1

12:53 AM

good god that was a bad movie

Don't watch The Lazarus Effect

Seth

what's it about?

Zacharee1

1:23 AM

look up a plot summary

I'm terrible at them

Serg

1:39 AM

Anybody ever worked on Elementary OS here ?

I'm considering making a move of installing and developing on Elementary

Nathan Osman

Nope, but you can be sure NitroShare runs on it.

I test it on everything :P

Serg

Lol, OK. That's all that matters then

Thomas Ward

@Serg You are more likely to find those people here, instead of Ask Ubuntu.

but you should already know this.

Serg

I already know this, but I wanted to ask amongst my kin

Zacharee1

your kin?

you traitor?

you're no kin of ours

leave this place and never return

Serg

1:46 AM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

OK . . . leaves for Elementary, develops indicators there

Nathan Osman

Good job guys.

We just lost one of our best users.

ಠ_ಠ

Serg

"best" is arguable , but I'll say pretty OK

Seth

Considering Roland is also a mod on elementary.se..

Serg

He is ?

Zacharee1

hue

desperately trying to find a GTFO ASCII emote

why is my VPN on???

Serg

1:51 AM

Hue, I turned it on

Zacharee1

damn Russian hackerz...

Serg

I'm actually Ukrainian, but I use Russian proxy

Zacharee1

@Serg the plot thickens...

like those letters ^

Serg

oh,do you now?

Zacharee1

wat

Serg

1:56 AM

Didn't you say I like bold letters just now ?

Zacharee1

uh

Nathan Osman

Hue.

Okay.

Fine, I admit it.

@Serg is my sockpuppet :D

Serg

The plot thinnens . . . .or whatever the appropriate word is

Zacharee1

lol

i believe it

@Serg thins

cause, english

Serg

OK, 谢谢

Zacharee1

2:09 AM

hue

edwinksl

que

Zacharee1

che

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman can i run nitroshare on my printer?

Nathan Osman

As funny as it sounds, probably yes if it's running Debian.

Kaz Wolfe

billboard?

Nathan Osman

2:15 AM

Heck, NitroShare runs on RedHat-based distros too.

Kaz Wolfe

And what about my OS/2 install?

Nathan Osman

For example, I could run NitroShare on my external WD hard drive, assuming Qt 5.x is available since the drive runs Debian.

It's a PPC processor, but that shouldn't affect anything.

@KazWolfe Clarification: the platform must support Qt.

What the... trac.netlabs.org/qt4

Kaz Wolfe

i rate nitroshare: 4/10 - not like Doom

Nathan Osman

So you could run an older version of NitroShare on OS/2.

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman say what now

Nathan Osman

2:18 AM

@Zacharee1 I said the drive runs Debian.

Zacharee1

why

Nathan Osman

Verified through SSH by yours truly.

@Zacharee1 It has to run something - it's a network device.

Kaz Wolfe

Can I run nitroshare on my SNES?

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman why not some weird embedded Linux?

Nathan Osman

I think we've come to the point where we shouldn't be asking "Can I..." but rather "Should I...?"

Zacharee1

2:19 AM

@KazWolfe does Nintendo use Linux?

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 that's what debian is.

Nathan Osman

@Zacharee1 Because WD knows what they are doing.

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe lol

@NathanOsman seems so...

Nathan Osman

Once you get in via SSH, you quickly realize they care about organizing things.

Zacharee1

wow

Nathan Osman

2:20 AM

Instead of a bunch of shell scripts hacked together, there are properly set up init daemons, etc.

Zacharee1

what kernel version

Nathan Osman

Lemme check...

userDepth

Hey

Zacharee1

yeH

Kaz Wolfe

I wonder... where can I buy an ATM?

I need one for... reasons.

Nathan Osman

2:21 AM

@Zacharee1 ----v

WD2TB:~# uname -a
Linux WD2TB 2.6.32.11-svn70860 #1 Thu May 17 13:32:51 PDT 2012 ppc GNU/Linux

userDepth

I tried un-installing tracker-miner and it worked

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman DIRTY COWWWWWW

@KazWolfe uhhhh

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 + Shampoo = Clean CoW

Zacharee1

huehuehue

Nathan Osman

@Zacharee1 FIREWALLLLLLL.

Kaz Wolfe

2:22 AM

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman NOOOOO

Nathan Osman

:P

Kaz Wolfe

Dirty CoW has been patched.

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe not in 2.6

Nathan Osman

I'm not about to brick this drive by trying to update the kernel.

Zacharee1

2:22 AM

do it

i daer u

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 If you install fluffycow, it will be.

@Zacharee1 i swear it's legitimate

Zacharee1

right...

Kaz Wolfe

it is...

i wonder if dirty cow was in the CIA leaks...

Zacharee1

supposedly they were all pretty outdated

Kaz Wolfe

this existed since 2008

Nathan Osman

2:25 AM

Apparently the kernel is provided by the apm-zermatt package.

Zacharee1

wat

Kaz Wolfe

i think my company's servers are still affected by dirty cow.

brb checking

Zacharee1

what's your IP again?

Kaz Wolfe

127.35.117.91

Zacharee1

sigh

Kaz Wolfe

2:28 AM

you can also try 104.16.77.187

Zacharee1

brb installing kali and haxxing

Seth

@KazWolfe lol

u so troll

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth dw my second ip is even bettah

Nathan Osman

Isn't 10.0.0.0/24 also private?

Zacharee1

yehs

Seth

2:31 AM

yeah

Kaz Wolfe

10.0.0.0/8 is private, so everything inside of that has to be

Nathan Osman

Oh right, it's class A.

Well, there you go then.

Seth

@KazWolfe CGN?

Kaz Wolfe

@Seth better

Nathan Osman

I recently had to redo all the DHCP assignments on our local network. Using a VPN from a network with subnet overlap is a real pain.

Of course, there's also IPv6 but I don't have measures in place yet to make remote IPv6 access secure, so it's disabled.

Seth

2:34 AM

@KazWolfe I give up

Kaz Wolfe

┌─[1]─[19:28:41]─[kazwolfe@firewolf]
└──> ~ % ping fbi.gov
PING fbi.gov (104.16.77.187) 56(84) bytes of data.

Seth

hah. nice.

Nathan Osman

@KazWolfe Now you're on fifteen new watchlists.

Seth

Yeah I realized it's outside the CGN space.

Zacharee1

and the no fly list

GCN?

Serg

2:36 AM

Quick question, guys. Any idea why would one host on network take like 30 hops to a site, while others take only 8-9 hops ?

Kaz Wolfe

CGN

Carrier Grade NAT

Nathan Osman

Global Cycling Network?

Kaz Wolfe

@Serg inefficient routing?

Nathan Osman

Graphics Core Next?

Serg

@KazWolfe it's handled by same router. Wouldn't inefficient routing be issue at that point ?

Kaz Wolfe

2:37 AM

Global Copper Network

Zacharee1

christ

Kaz Wolfe

@Serg it could have been a temporary inefficiency outside of the network.

Serg

It's repeated though. Websites keep timing out for this computer only

Kaz Wolfe

@Serg traceroute?

also, imagine if all computers in the world were on a single token ring

Serg

@KazWolfe did that on this chromebook host, my Ubuntu host, and win10 host. Only chromebook takes more than 30

Kaz Wolfe

2:39 AM

@Serg oh, it's a chromebook?

are you sure it's not routing through google's monitoring/health servers?

Serg

How do i check that ?

Kaz Wolfe

idk

i'm just making stuff up

Serg

Also , it was on opendns , but kept dropping. Changed to google's servers, it keeps dropping again

Kaz Wolfe

nothing anomalous in the traceroute?

Serg

define anomalous

Kaz Wolfe

2:41 AM

something appearing in one route that doesnt appear in another, etc.

or the point where the traces diverge

Serg

Well , first 5 entries are about the same. At 6th entry it hangs, mine shows 6th entry as * * * , which is the same, but takes long time. 7th entry on my ubuntu is the cloudflare, then IP of the site. Chromebook, on the other hand, shows no reply for like 30 hops.

pmtu 1480

There appears to be two duplicate entries for the modem AND wifi router

Kaz Wolfe

@Serg that's not always weird.

Serg

The only discrepancy that i see is MTU value. On my Ubuntu it is 1500, on chromebook - 1480

there was setting for port forwarding to localhost:8080

removed it just in case

Seth

4:22 AM

@NathanOsman I'm going to try an experiment and put my email in my profile. I'm wondering how much spam you've gotten with yours in your profile though? By spam I mean actual spam not random emails from users..

(anyone else that has their email public is welcome to answer as well)

I'm curious to see if I actually do get any emails from actual people but I'm not really looking to pickup more spammers, if possible.

Nathan Osman

Oh, I wish I had good news.

But I get upwards of 50-60 junk emails a day.

Granted, SpamAssassin catches the majority of them.

Seth

See, right now my gmail gets more false positives than it does actual spam.

I'd prefer to keep it that way.

Nathan Osman

Oh, Gmail, well that might work even better. Their filters are more advanced apparently.

Seth

That gives me another idea. I'll try making it a little difficult to capture for spam bots (assuming that's even still possible) then after a month or two edit it to the full form and see if the amount of spam I get changes.

I can run two tests at once.

I don't really get a lot of profile views so it'll be interesting to see what happens.

Journeyman Geek

@Seth I tried that. No spam, but a few odd help vampires.

Seth

4:28 AM

@JourneymanGeek I'm fine with the odd help vampire.

Nathan Osman

I've only ever once had someone contact me for help.

At least, without a legitimate reason (support for a program I wrote, etc.).

Journeyman Geek

Oh this guy wanted free forensics ._.

Nathan Osman

Lol.

Seth

I've had my twitter up for a while now but I've only ever gotten 2 messages about AU. One was someone thanking me and the other was someone asking for help. Unfortunately they saw I edited something and assumed me to be the author of the answer.. in a topic I know nothing about :/

@NathanOsman see, that's the best, isn't it?

Journeyman Geek

Unless one is hiring me, what happens in ~~vegas~~ SE stays in SE ~~vegas~~

Seth

4:31 AM

Having people use your software must give you a warm, fuzzy, feeling inside.

Nathan Osman

There ought to be a way to mark a message as spam and have SpamAssassin try to watch for similar messages in the future...

Seth

Well I'm off to bed now. Night guys! Thanks for the input :)

tried to wait until after I left eh?

Reuploaded my gravatar. See if that fixes the scaling issues.

Nathan Osman

Seems to have worked.

Seth

Then again, maybe I'll be staying up after all:

~60 minutes until 1:34am EDT launch window for @EchoStar XXIII opens. Continuing to watch winds.

Tweeted by SpaceX on March 14, 2017 at 4:37 AM

Nathan Osman

4:47 AM

@Seth "SpaceX will not attempt to land Falcon 9’s first stage after launch due to mission requirements."

I wonder why.

Seth

@NathanOsman huh, no idea. That's interesting.

Nathan Osman

Ah.

So apparently they need the extra fuel to put the satellite in geostationary orbit.

Seth

Ah

Zanna

5:15 AM

@terdon of course I've upvoted it, I left the tab open before going to sleep especially to do that

(Both of them)

Thanks for fixing it :D

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: Tips Regarding How To Build Muscle Mass by snnaqwm on askubuntu.com

Nathan Osman

5:31 AM

Livestream in two minutes.

Echostar XXIII Hosted Webcast

►

Seth

Oh since you're here @Zanna, what do you think of Shog mass editing all the remaining bit.ly links?

Because of the new images rules he can't do it silently so it'd take over the homepage for a bit but then it'd be done for good.

Nathan Osman

Countdown ended. No video. ಠ_ಠ

Seth

Come on SpaceX, you can do better :P

Video is live

Nathan Osman

Not for me...

Seth

Still waiting for content..

Nathan Osman

5:35 AM

Do I have the right link?

Seth

@NathanOsman youtu.be/lZmqbL-hz7U

Nathan Osman

Yup.

All I see is "Live stream is starting soon".

Seth

Yeah

Come on.. the launch window is soon!

Anything yet Nathan?

Standing down due to high winds; working toward next available launch opportunity.

Tweeted by SpaceX on March 14, 2017 at 5:36 AM

@NathanOsman --^

Zanna

@Seth I thought he was too busy... it is up to you and him, but I am fine doing it slowly (I notice jokerdino is helping); I'm also trying to fix all the issues around it too, any other problems anywhere on the page. It's actually easier than it looked because many of the instances are on answers to the same question. Because of that, we already did more than 100 even at a slow pace

Seth

@Zanna he has a script :p

Nathan Osman

5:45 AM

@Seth darn.

Seth

@NathanOsman next launch window is Thursday

Or, no. Wednesday our time, I think.

Yeah

Zanna

@Seth yeah I assumed that, but I thought he had to fix it or something...

I guess if he fixed it for us we better let him use it XD

Seth

@Zanna oh. Two different scripts.

One makes community edit and not bump. That requires the links show up in a URL: search (not possible now that the images arent displayed anymore) and another that uses his account to manually edit things.

The broken part was searhx. The URL index was out of date. m0sa fixed that but now the non https images don't show as URLs anymore so it doesn't matter :/

Zanna

6:03 AM

So... the search still does not find them? (Sorry I'm so dense)

Zanna

6:24 AM

Going to get breakfast...

Maybe I will be less stupid after that

Nathan Osman

My API package is almost ready for the first test.

Hizqeel

http://askubuntu.com/a/892796/529390
http://askubuntu.com/a/787592/529390

same answers

Nathan Osman

Not quite.

The /a URLs are just redirects to the appropriate question page.

It takes the first part of the URL (the answer ID) and feeds it into /questions/{id}.

Since that ID is for an answer, it then loads the question that actually contains the answer and displays it.

This is a gem.

> "Note that the equation above is valid and above board, since the current version of mathematics (v42.1 at the time of writing) supports simultaneous assignment."

> "Authors are listed according to the degree to which their home nation underperformed at the 2016 European football championships"

> "To evaluate this cost, we first compute α with a melancholy search of Twitter, uniquely determining the cost of violence globally as $1876 for every person in the world (Twitter, 2016)."

Oh, this one is even better.

> "Kernel machines are popular because they work well and have fancy math, pleasing practitioners and theoreticians alike. The Kardashians are popular because (TODO). Why not combine them?"

Zanna

6:51 AM

@Hizqeel both copies of 2nd answer as well :/ protected the question

and voted to delete those answers

thanks for spotting them

Hizqeel

7:09 AM

:)

Jacob Vlijm

7:27 AM

Gone, both

Zanna

awesome thanks

I spent 5 precious minutes of my life transcribing their picture only to find it's Kali (see comment on answer) askubuntu.com/questions/892759/…

Jacob Vlijm

That saves me the time haha

Zanna

8:12 AM

haha at least something :)

cl-netbox

Hello :) Good morning ! :)

Benny

8:47 AM

morning everyone ^_^

Nearoo

Hi ^^

Hey I uuuh... When I insert my Wlan-USB-stick, my OS freezes completely. I think the Linux kernel is the problem, since not even REISUB works anymore. So I thought I should enter a bug report to the Linux kernel... but I know almost nothing related to that topic. Does someone know how I can track down the cause of it? It should be the device driver, right?

m0sa

indexing had a blip over the weekend, the migrated post are now back in the index -> askubuntu.com/search?q=url%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fhostmar.co

Zanna

9:06 AM

nice!

jokerdino

9:30 AM

Thank you m0sa.

@Zanna did they update data.SE or something?

Zanna

hmm do you mean this issue? data.stackexchange.com/askubuntu/query/430352/…

<--clueless

oh... it has been updated I think

yeah, I think it has been updated yesterday UTC evening

jokerdino

Thank you.

askubuntu.com/a/282555/25798 This one confuses me.

iostat or gigolo or sysstat?

Zanna

haha

I think I would not have paid enough attention to catch that

wth

in 16.10 I cannot find iostat

jokerdino

Try if you can find the command in sysstat package.

Zanna

$ dpkg -S iostat
sysstat: /usr/share/man/man1/iostat.1.gz
sysstat: /usr/bin/cifsiostat
sysstat: /usr/bin/iostat

yep ^

jokerdino

9:45 AM

Can you fix it please? I am still confused.

Zanna

yes, I can fix it

the command works too

jokerdino

Thank you.

Zanna

done... I wonder if iostat could take the drive as argument somehow instead of grepping

yes it can...

jokerdino

ah, I didn't read the name. con-f-use. Yep, totally.

Zanna

thank you for spotting that

jokerdino

10:04 AM

jeez, let me flag it.

Zanna

I know, I can never flag anything since smokey got wheels

cl-netbox

Good morning @Thijser ! :) It makes not much sense to fill up your question with more or less not useful comments, all I can say is that there's a pretty good chance to solve your problem ... maybe you find something here -> freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio Also check whether you can change audio settings in BIOS. As a little motivation from my side, I can tell you that I once got a weird printer problem solved simply by choosing a driver for a completely different model. :)

Good morning @jokerdino @Zanna ! :)

Zanna

10:21 AM

morning @cl-netbox :)

cl-netbox

@Zanna Everything fine today ? FYI : I flagged / VTCed two questions today ! :) Good ? :)

Zanna

I don't know, it depends if they needed it haha

jokerdino

hi

cl-netbox

@Zanna you voted as well ... so it can't be wrong - right ? hahaha :)

Zanna

@cl-netbox haha no that is definitely not a reliable test

Thijser

10:27 AM

We are flagging questions today?

And good morning everybody

jokerdino

@Thijser it happens everyday

Thijser

Yhea but some days we flag more then others

cl-netbox

@Zanna Anyway ... I try my best ... though solving problems and answering questions is what I'm doing better I guess ... hahaha :)

Thijser

Hmm maybe if I install the latest pulseaudio version (10 vs 9), would that cause problems?

blade19899

Anybody has experience with the following problem:

>

Unknown: Failed to write session data (files). Please verify that the current setting of session.save_path is correct (/tmp) in Unknown on line 0

?

cl-netbox

10:32 AM

@Thijser Do you remember what I said about audio issues ... sometimes it's a pain ... you need much patience - so don't give up ! :)

blade19899

Everything works fine, just with some projects, it outputs that error

Thijser

yes just checking if install pulseaudio 10 is a bad idea or not

cl-netbox

@Thijser why not giving it a try ? make a system backup with clonezilla before ... that's what I always do when testing hardware related things ! :)

@Thijser the packages are in zesty -> packages.ubuntu.com/… expect to receive dependency warnings. :)

Thijser

@cl-netbox thanks, that also happened to be the exact page I just opened

hmm software centres isn't willing to install just yet

Time fod command line

cl-netbox

@Thijser you can use gdebi to install deb files manually

Thijser

10:45 AM

Hmm the sound sounds a lot better with version 10.0 but the right speaker is still not working

btw if we can resolve this I have found several other people with similar problems with acer laptops

cl-netbox

@Thijser yes ... I have no idea why Acer machines have so many "special" issues ... once some users had to downgrade the BIOS to solve them ... :(

@Thijser This is what I have installed on my fedora workstation :
[cl@cl-fw-1 ~]$ sudo dnf list installed | grep pulseaudio
[sudo] password for cl:
alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.x86_64 1.1.1-1.fc25 @anaconda
pulseaudio.x86_64 10.0-2.fc25 @updates
pulseaudio-gdm-hooks.x86_64 10.0-2.fc25 @updates
pulseaudio-libs.x86_64 10.0-2.fc25 @updates
pulseaudio-libs-glib2.x86_64 10.0-2.fc25 @updates

Thijser

By the way me vanishing a few minutes ago was unity deciding to commit sepeku

Perhaps I should try and see how well ubuntu 17.04 is comming allong

Also I think acer has this many "special" issues because they seemingly really don't like to support linux (I tried to see what would happen if I asked them for support and got the reply that they do not support any operating system other then the one that came preinstalled (windows 10) and that they adviced me to return to the default operating system)

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

11:02 AM

0

Q: Ubuntu 16.04 - DNS problem when waking laptop up from suspend-mode

I am on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, Dell XPS 15 9550. Since one week ago (which probably matches last kernel update), every time I wake up my Laptop from suspend-mode, it correctly connects to the WiFi, but then it can't resolve any hostname (Google Chrome raises "DNS FINISHED BAD_CONFIG" and even ssh can...

Thijser

Let' s hope installing ubuntu 17.04 will work better..

(now downloading from windows)

cl-netbox

@Thijser That's what most vendors do ... I bought my machine without any OS preinstalled for exactly this reason ... also I was able to configure most hardware components myself ... and the support from SCHENKER is gorgeous ! :)

Nearoo

not a single reaction. kek. have a great day.

cl-netbox

@Nearoo reaction on what ? Hello to you ! :)

Thijser

@Nearoo I think most people kinda missed what you said

uh yhea I forgot how much windows strugles with my wifi

cl-netbox

11:09 AM

@Thijser good idea ... I cross my fingers for you that zesty works better ... did you download this ISO -> cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/zesty-desktop-amd64.iso ? :)

Thijser

No a different one but I will try that one

cl-netbox

@Thijser yes that one is the latest tested ... :)

Thijser

Hmm windows can only pull 760 kb/s where ubuntu managed 3mb/s ...

cl-netbox

@Thijser Don't ask me ... I dropped Windows completely some longer time ago ... hahaha ... I have a dual boot setup fedora / ubuntu ! :)

Thijser

It' s not really a question and more of a "ugh windows" moment

Thijser

11:36 AM

OK we got ourself 1 brand new .iso file and 1 brand new usb stick

cl-netbox

@Thijser hope it works better ... I'm quite sure it will once the final version is released ... when the installation is finished, please tell me if kernel 4.10 already is implemented ans in use. :)

Thijser

OK let' s hope this will work in one go, will hopefully see you on ubuntu 17.04

cl-netbox

@Thijser format the ubuntu partition with gparted (included in install media) before you start the installation ... choose "something else" from installer ! :)

Thijser

11:54 AM

Installer is working fine but I have to go to a lecture now, will report back in a few hours

Thanks @cl-netbox

cl-netbox

@Thijser You're welcome ! :) See you later ! :)

edwinksl

just london things twitter.com/ReformedBroker/status/841610391255961601

Zacharee1

12:44 PM

whew

When I woke up I thought it was foggy and rainy out

it's just that the snowfall is so heavy

Zanna

stay warm...

Zacharee1

whoa

the Galaxy S6 got Nougat?

Zanna

@edwinksl lol

Zacharee1

1:11 PM

now it's either hailing or raining...

Zanna

:S

edwinksl

1:38 PM

i see the winter storm has finally reached me

blizzard hype

Zacharee1

hue

edwinksl

how is it in PA

Zacharee1

snow and hail

edwinksl

how much snowfall expected?

Zacharee1

idk

edwinksl

1:40 PM

tsk

Zacharee1

foot

Zanna

2:06 PM

Ubuntu One - please close askubuntu.com/questions/21897/…

Zacharee1

welp

ninja mod

jokerdino

sori

edwinksl

wtf

i didn't get to use my close vote

Zacharee1

hue

jokerdino

:(

Zacharee1

2:10 PM

cheated

jokerdino

You can have this one -- askubuntu.com/questions/536696/…

Journeyman Geek

2:32 PM

I saw this, and thought about all y'all lifehacker.com/…

Zanna

@jokerdino <3 <3

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