Ask Ubuntu General Room

Nathan Osman

00:00

Oh well.

user139252

00:35

Are we intelligible in this room, again?

jrg

Nah.

We just stopped with animals that have swiveled heads.

user139252

That's a step forward, at least.

KGIII

@HeatherBrown Well, I'm still here so... ;-) (I'm reasonably well behaved and didn't flood the room with images - I was away.)

jrg

We've got some users that are a little too enthusiastic with sharing the internet with the world.

KGIII

So it'd seem. I came back to a whole bunch of owl pics flooding the chat. :/ It was mostly sane when I left.

jrg

00:43

I mean, there is nothing wrong with that, just like there is nothing wrong with NERF guns. Just in moderation.

Shooting the operations manager while he's on the phone with an upset customer is not moderation.

Flooding the chatroom with Owls is not moderation.

(Two examples from today lol)

KGIII

Yeah. There were a lot. :/ I like owls well enough but that was a lot of owls.

You still keeper of the NERF stash?

jrg

Not anymore.

COO snagged them after he got off the phone.

KGIII

That's usually an indicator that things have gone too far.

jrg

Apparently the youngest employee is also the most responsible when it comes to responsible NERF usage in the workplace.

KGIII

But... As keeper of the NERF, where you responsible for not letting them be used inappropriately? (How will a C-level think of it?)

jrg

00:46

Oh no, people raided my office before I got in.

I was robbed.

KGIII

Ah, good. :D

Armed robbery, so to speak. I mean, afterwards they had NERF guns! What's a person to do?

jrg

Yeah...

Zacharee1

O_o

jrg

Sadly I couldn't lock it, I don't have a key for my filing cabinet.

KGIII

Well, so long as he knows you were robbed and didn't intentionally leave your office unlocked with the NERF guns in plain site.

Zacharee1

00:47

Ô_ö

KGIII

What happened to keeping them stashed in with the boxes?

Zacharee1

This is a weird convo

And I'm having fun with unicode faces

user139252

So, what exactly is Reddit? Should I join?

KGIII

You weren't here when he showed us his NERF gun stash?

Zacharee1

no

KGIII

00:48

Reddit is awful and you shouldn't go there.

jrg

I moved it into the filing cabinet in an attempt to keep it under control.

Zacharee1

lol

jrg

Reddit is awful, second only to Hacker News in it's scum and villainy.

user139252

....

user139252

What are those for?

jrg

00:49

~200 darts, ~15 NERF guns in that photo.

KGIII

I hang out on Slashdot and not even I go to Reddit.

Zacharee1

@jrg whoa...

jrg

Office-wide mayhem.

user139252

Where do you work?

Zacharee1

Oh, 19, OK. That explains stuff

jrg

00:49

@HeatherBrown Small startup.

user139252

Can I get a job?

KGIII

You're better off at 4chan - you'll actually have more intelligent conversations there than you will have at Reddit.

jrg

Sadly we aren't hiring. :(

Zacharee1

@KGIII No, I think Tumblr would be best :p

KGIII

There's a spin-off of Reddit called Voat. They're a bunch of racists pricks in some of the areas but they signal to noise ratio is better as you can generally ignore them as they stay in their own subs.

jrg

00:50

KGIII

I don't think they'd like to be a Tumblrina but, maybe. Ya never know.

Zacharee1

Nice grammar and syntax there @KGIII

Sorry

Had to

KGIII

pfft... Grammar's for wimps. You're lucky that I've got spell check enabled.

Zacharee1

lol

Or should I say ¬ø¬

¬´¬

KGIII

LOL Either works.

jrg

00:51

KGIII

At least their not owl image macros.

Zacharee1

@jrg Soo... they're the same thing

KGIII

they're*

jrg

@Zacharee1 pretty much.

Zacharee1

@KGIII ya killin' me!

@jrg :p

KGIII

00:52

Damn you @Zacharee1!

Seth

@jrg 4chan?

jrg

Stay away from reddit, hacker news and 4chan.

Zacharee1

@KGIII :p

jrg

You'll find better humans over on the usenet.

(which is saying something)

Zacharee1

How about the YT comments section?

KGIII

00:53

You started it. You mentioned grammar the other day. Now, my fingers went mentally handicapped.

Zacharee1

Some real intelligent discussions going on down there

jrg

@Zacharee1 yeah, that isn't very good either.

user139252

I thought I was cool because I knew about TOR... There are too many things on the internet!

KGIII

I like Usenet @jrg.

user139252

The internet is too big and scary!

jrg

00:53

Honestly, aside from SE, I don't read comments.

Zacharee1

@HeatherBrown 90% is deep web apparently

KGIII

Usenet is the awesome.

Zacharee1

@jrg good philosophy

KGIII

You'll pry my NNTP from my cold dead hands!!!

jrg

And only because on 90% of the SE stuff I read, if there is a comment that's bad, I can clean it up. >_>

Zacharee1

00:54

@KGIII The awesome? Hmm....

KGIII

Somewhere, I still have a browser for Gopher.

Yes, the awesome. Yes, intentional.

jrg

@KGIII oh wow, i never played with that.

remember finger?

KGIII

I do! LOL

jrg

I set up a finger server at home.

Seth

@HeatherBrown a place where practically anything goes. not unless you have a good reason.

jrg

00:54

dad just about flipped out.

Zacharee1

Finger?

KGIII

Why's that?

jrg

I never understood why.

Seth

for e.g. the ubuntu subreddit isn't bad. nor are some others. but in general there is jrg's image.

jrg

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finger_protocol < pretty good explanation, actually.

Zacharee1

00:55

huh

muy interesante

jrg

brb, driving home.

Zacharee1

ø°

KGIII

I ran an OpenNap hub for a long time. I was an adult though. I got a polite request from men with a dark sense of fashion and it got turned off. :(

Zacharee1

Hey, I made a planet and a moon

Ø°

O°

KGIII

That does look like a planet and a moon.

Zacharee1

00:57

I like the strikethrough one best

KGIII

Ah, we make our parents proud.

user139252

My room-mate is sick and asleep, and I'm bored... What can I do with a Raspberry Pi, 90 feet of hook-up wire, and a bunch of LEDs and sensors?

Zacharee1

^.^

@HeatherBrown >:}

KGIII

Hmm... Constructive or to your roommate?

Seth

what kind of sensors?

and that ^^

Zacharee1

00:58

@KGIII There we go

KGIII

We're going to need a list of parts and a liability waiver.

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user139252

@KGIII Either will work. @Zacharee1 @Seth Humidity, motion, light/dark, sound, proximity, and temperature.

Zacharee1

Whoops

KGIII

Do you have any servos?

Zacharee1

@HeatherBrown re-ping that to @Seth

@KGIII What are you thinking?...

KGIII

01:00

Nothing, until after they sign a waiver.

Zacharee1

„e ß˙øu¬∂ å¬¬ †Áπe ¬i°e †˙iß

user139252

Let me check on the servos, not sure if I have any at home...

Zacharee1

@KGIII lol

Why, yes. Let me check the misc drawer. Ah, here we are. Three servos

user139252

@KGIII That's a no on the servos, left that box at work.

KGIII

Alright, skip it... You'll need the sound sensors and the lights and the Pi, also the cable will help you hide the Pi.

Zacharee1

01:02

ō_ô

KGIII

We may need to do some attenuation. Assuming they make noise when they sleep while sick?

Snoring and whatnot?

user139252

No, she's pretty quiet... But she does use a white-noise machine that I have complained several times about.

KGIII

Hmm... Is the machine on?

I have an idea. nods

user139252

Yes.

Zacharee1

I swear, I get more spam on my AOL email from AOL than any other type of email combined

@KGIII uh oh

KGIII

01:05

Good. You want to find the Hz of the sound being generated by the whiten noise machine. It should be a wide spectrum but easy enough to filter for. Seeing as it is on, capture that.

Zacharee1

Will these LEDs be hidden and any time the machine is turned on they'll blink in @HeatherBrown's roommate's eyes?

KGIII

Now, you'll want to off-set something to make it dissonant. So you'll probably have to go above or below the spectrum but that's easy enough to do and it will still change the sound waves.

Nah, we're going to match the sound from the white noise machine and then add some sound to it. It won't be easily noticed.

user139252

Okay...

Zacharee1

Why?

KGIII

Instead, what it will do is change the sound waves to make them unpleasant but they won't easily notice it - I'd try above the existing frequency with an uneven offset.

So, assuming the average is A (30k Mhz maybe??? I'm not sure at the moment) you'll want to step it up to something like 45k Mhz.

Zacharee1

01:07

How can an RPi change the sound freqs of a nose machine?

KGIII

It's not - it's adding to it with a second speaker.

Zacharee1

ohh

Wait, 45k Mhz? That's 45Ghz

We can't hear that

KGIII

You use the second speaker to "tweak" the sound itself which will make it dissonant.

Zacharee1

Yeah, I get it now

Fun ;P

KGIII

That's my point - you can't hear it but it will actually alter the existing waves. :D

Zacharee1

01:09

Oh, interesting

That's weird

KGIII

It will only turn on and make noise when the white noise machine is active.

Just because you can't hear it doesn't mean the frequency is unchanged.

Zacharee1

Yeah. One problem: it'll annoy @HeatherBrown as much as her roommate

KGIII

Directional sound - they can put it anywhere on the other side of the machine and not hear it as it will be blocked out by the existing sound.

user139252

@Zacharee1 But, maybe she'll toss the machine thinking it's broken.

Zacharee1

@KGIII ooo

@HeatherBrown :p

KGIII

01:10

You won't even hear it if you're on the side of the machine that the second speaker is not.

You (white noise machine) person (speaker) or some combination of that.

Now, what to do with the LEDs...

You could probably use a timer and a motion sensor and hide a single LED in a very good spot. Then, if they've been idle for a while - you can guess they're asleep. When they then have been idle for $MINUTES you can flash the light - just once.

Zacharee1

Yeah

Bother them with something that they can't actually find, but keep seeing every so often

user139252

I would have to get into her room for that D=

KGIII

Don't do it twice - at least not until after they're still for a while.

Zacharee1

¯_(ツ)_/¯

KGIII

Hmm... Valid point.

Zacharee1

01:15

Why isn't that backslash a valid char in the chat room?

KGIII

You could just make a pressure switch and put LEDs in her shoes like the kids had for a while. They were "fashionable" for a while. That's destruction of property though. :/ I think we're gonna have to get creative with the lights.

Zacharee1

sigh moment

Journeyman Geek

@KGIII they used mercury switched IIRC

KGIII

In the shoes?!?

Journeyman Geek

yup

KGIII

01:17

I'm surprised they were legal in the State of California.

(I don't know if they actually were.)

Zacharee1

Good job, Skechers.

@KGIII NICE

Journeyman Geek

LA Gear

LA Gear (or L.A. Gear) is an American shoe company based in Los Angeles, California. Founded by Robert Greenberg (who later founded Skechers ) in 1979 and currently owned by ACI International. == HistoryEdit == === EndorsementsEdit === One of the original athletes to endorse L.A. Gear shoes was NBA player Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, who ended a long association with Adidas to sign with the upstart company toward the end of his playing career. Other NBA players to wear the brand were Karl Malone and Hakeem Olajuwon. San Francisco 49ers quarterback Joe Montana signed an endorsement deal with L.A. Gear in...

These guys IIRC

Zacharee1

"This product contains mercury which, according to the state of California, is known to cause cancer in certain cases"

KGIII

LOL Yup. The wiki doesn't mention mercury by find. I'm now curious. :/

Yup. NYT mentions it.

(And they mention LA Gear.)

Zacharee1

@KGIII nytimes.com/1999/10/07/technology/…

KGIII

01:19

That's crazy talk.

^^ @ NYT reference. :D

Good find and bit of lore @JourneymanGeek! I'd have never known that. I don't even recall any outrage over it.

Zacharee1

In its first models, L.A. Gear used a mercury switch. A small amount of mercury, a metal that is liquid at room temperature, functioned as a ball bearing, moving within a capsule as the foot moved.

But mercury is toxic, and when environmental regulators in Minnesota learned in 1994 that thousands of children were walking around with it in their shoes, they took action. The State Legislature voted to ban the sale of the shoes, and L.A. Gear agreed to pay to dispose of the roughly 20,000 pairs of sneakers it had sold in the state.

KGIII

Yeah, I don't even recall hearing about it. :/

Zacharee1

¯_(ツ)_/¯

KGIII

I'm pretty sure that my son sported some for a while.

Zacharee1

I guess only Minnesota really cared

KGIII

01:22

Not the state that I'd have expected to see listed there.

Zacharee1

I don't think the switches were actually dangerous until the shoes wore out, and Skechers had moved on by then to intertial switches

KGIII

These days? Mercury switches? Oh, you must be a terrorist!

Zacharee1

Yep

Journeyman Geek

@KGIII I'm surprised I remembered the brand (and the jingle)

But my brain is funny like that.

Zacharee1

Well, they're still around @JourneymanGeek

KGIII

01:24

When I was a kid, we'd take empty CO2 cartridges from BB guns and drill out the top a little more, tamp black powder in, add a waterproof wick, and have our own fragmentation grenades.

I'm pretty sure we'd end up in jail for that today.

Journeyman Geek

@Zacharee1: never said they weren't ;p

also mercury dosen't cause cancer

KGIII

It's funny, some of the ads that stick with you.

Journeyman Geek

it'll just flat out kill ya, or cause birth defects.

KGIII

Nah, mercury causes you to go insane too. nods Not cancer though, I don't think.

That's where the expression "mad as a hatter" comes from. :D

Hmm... I forget the long-name for those guys who made hats. That bit of memory has corrupted. Bit rot and all that.

Chan-Ho Suh

your myelin has hardened

KGIII

01:29

That sounds about right. :/ There's no real defrag or reformat (that's appealing, at any rate) either. I try to keep my brain working to learn new things so I think it may help.

Zacharee1

@JourneymanGeek According to California, everything causes cancer

Journeyman Geek

@Zacharee1 as such I conclude "The state of california has been found to cause cancer in the state of california"

Zacharee1

:P

Someone's car alarm went of and I think it's harmonizing with itself on a 6th interval

KGIII

There's a university in Farmington where they have an automobile symphony. People beep and make other assorted noises according to a conductor. Quite a few people have gone to it. I don't know how often they do it but I know of at least one but I think they are several or have been several. Lemme Google.

Zacharee1

interesting

KGIII

01:39

inside.umf.maine.edu/2013/10/31/…

Nathan Osman

I'm back.

Somehow I managed to mess up network-manager enough to knock myself off the Internet.

KGIII

Welcome back.

LOL Nice!

If you're not breaking something, you're not learning anything.

Nathan Osman

I had to play with ip route a bit before I figured it out.

Problem #2 - my VPN no longer works.

KGIII

LOL Nice. Gotta run to the lobby. Back momentarily. :D

KGIII

01:52

Hmm... I load my VPN's config files via the terminal so I'm probably not much help @NathanOsman.

That and I'm currently cheating and just using a browser VPN extension. I got the VPN services from SurfEasy because Opera bought them. :D

Nathan Osman

@Mateo well, my patch did its job. But now I have a different failure:

--- FAIL: TestGdbPython (13.72s)
        runtime-gdb_test.go:42: gdb version 7.7
        runtime-gdb_test.go:129: failed to load Go runtime support: warning: File "/usr/share/go/src/runtime/runtime-gdb.py" auto-loading has been declined by your `auto-load safe-path' set to "$debugdir:$datadir/auto-load:/home/pi/build/go/src/runtime".
FAIL
FAIL    runtime 772.130s

It's trying to have GDB load a support script and GDB won't load it.

Mateo

huh

KGIII

I'm still on @terdon's answer - I've been a few hours but it hickups at some bug.png file. Referencing my question here. It appears to be working nicely, however.

MathCubes

02:14

hey

Zacharee1

yeh

So this guy just double-posted a pretty unrelated question as an answer here: askubuntu.com/questions/579041/…

KGIII

The missus has smuggled a stray cat into the hotel room.

Zacharee1

aww

Seth

@Zacharee1 you should flag as NAA.

Zacharee1

I did for at least one I think

KGIII

02:22

I flagged 'em both.

Zacharee1

Bueno

KGIII

I almost flagged their comment/question to their own NAA.

Seth

ah yes, you did for one of them. Forgot I don't get the normal flag dialogs for 15 minutes after a flag is cast, just a tiny little indicator that is easy to miss.

KGIII

Things often get taken care of pretty quickly when there are certain mods "on duty." I've noticed a bit of a trend. It seems to actually be quicker during parts of the night than it is during the day. (My night.)

Zacharee1

I was going to flag the second when it came up in the review queue, but I wasn't sure if it was a test, so I went to the question and then forgot to flag

Well, there are probably more people on in North America, so night is when we actually have free time

KGIII

02:25

LOL That's cheating @Zacharee1! (I failed a test question once. I clicked on "I'm done here" or whatnot and I meant to click on "skip" 'cause I wasn't sure.)

Journeyman Geek

Zacharee1

@KGIII :P

KGIII

@ParanoidPanda ^^

Zacharee1

that panda doesn't seem very paranoid :p

KGIII

Yup, I felt silly after that one @Zacharee1. They appear to be obvious most of the time now that I know they exist. It shocked me the first few times. Tricksies the AU reviews are!

Zacharee1

02:27

It always disappoints me when the answer is terrible and I have a perfect response and then I get "Error posting comment"

KGIII

Yeah. I've had that happen a couple of times. Speaking of which, I've not reviewed in like two days.

Meh... I've got all day. It's past "roll over."

Woohoo! I am up to the letter F in my scraping of the man-pages. :D

Zacharee1

uhh

KGIII

I'm going to pretty them up, compress them, and then post 'em on GitHub.

Zacharee1

Ohh

It sounded like you were reading the whole thing

KGIII

(And read them in my spare time.)

Heh - I am going to.

I might even go to Kinkos and get 'em formatted and printed for me so I can more easily read 'em in the bathroom.

Hmm... I probably should share less, now that I think about it. :/

Ravan

02:35

@Zacharee1 @KGIII o/

KGIII

o/ @Ravan

@Zacharee1 - What am I supposed to do with a stray cat, anyhow? The hotel does allow dogs. I don't know about cats. I don't even want a cat.

Zacharee1

@KGIII wai u no want ket

@Ravan \o

Seth

@KGIII the key to a successful relationship, remember, is compromise ;)

Zacharee1

ket iz best

KGIII

Don't hold this against me but, I don't really like cats @Zacharee1. I'm a dog person. I don't hate cats but...

@Seth Too true. However, we're in a hotel and I find out tomorrow when I can leave this accursed place. I don't think a cat travels well.

For now, however, I'm forgotten as she's attempting to feed the cat a bowl of Cheerios.

Tossing the cat back out the door is definitely not an option. I don't hate kitties. This one is kinda cute in a homely sort of way.

Mateo

02:43

teach him how to do tricks ;)

KGIII

I don't think I know how to teach a cat anything.

Journeyman Geek

@KGIII pretty sure cheerios arn't good for cats 0_0

KGIII

I just plugged my tablet in, the camera's in the car. I'll take a pic of the cat when it charges.

The cat seems to really like Cheerios. I offered to call down to room service and get a tuna fish sandwich.

Journeyman Geek

How does one tune a fish?

KGIII

She has good taste, at least. She's called it "Bill."

Nyuk nyuk nyuk @JourneymanGeek!

Seth

02:50

so, has anyone managed to even get 1 point in the android lollipop game?

KGIII

That is Bill The Cat from Bloom County.

Nathan Osman

I've been assigned bug #805517.

KGIII

Assigned it or reported it and had it accepted? (Not sure of nomenclature.)

Mateo

wow

Nathan Osman

@KGIII It's been accepted by the bug tracker :P

Nobody has taken a look at it yet.

Though, incidentally, I did submit an upstream bug in the Go compiler itself and had it fixed earlier today.

KGIII

02:55

Ah, okay. Is it compiling properly with the patch?

Nathan Osman

github.com/golang/go/issues/13311

@KGIII Nope, but it solves the specific problem I filed it for.

Once I get the next problem addressed, I may submit a patch for it as well.

KGIII

You're productive tonight.

Also, the golang bug was fixed pretty quickly.

Nathan Osman

Yeah, the guy who fixed it was the one who broke it a couple days earlier though :P

So I can understand the urgency a bit :)

KGIII

LOL Well, at least they fixed it.

Nathan Osman

@Seth I got 1 point once.

Couldn't get to 2 though.

Seth

02:59

yeah, it's super hard.

finally managed to get 1.

Ravan

I need a to-do-list manager that should remind on Ubuntu Desktop

Can I use nitrotasks?

Nathan Osman

@Seth proof ---^

Seth

:(

I like the little cyan cat though xD

KGIII

@Ravan I use xpad.

Nathan Osman

@Seth The Cyanogen mascot.

Seth

03:09

yeah

/me wants bl unlock so bad :(

Nathan Osman

Hey cool! My mouse is working again!

KGIII

Congratulations @NathanOsman! You're getting there, slowly but surely. You've been at this for quite a while now.

Nathan Osman

It was the one I thought was broken.

KGIII

Are you using the Rasperian build or some other build? (I think you mentioned it but I've forgotten and I know very little about the Pi.)

Nathan Osman

I hit it a few times and reinserted the batteries.

KGIII

03:14

Oh, so it's not something working in the kernel you were playing with?

Nathan Osman

No, sorry for the confusion.

KGIII

I was all sorts of excited for you. :(

Seth

@NathanOsman I love this.

KGIII

I was living vicariously through your texts.

Seth

haha

Nathan Osman

03:15

Hey - I just saved having to buy a new mouse :P

KGIII

Yup, there is that! Yay! A reason to be excited again.

You need a cat to chase the mouse... (That is now a statement, not a question.)

Seth

hmm, I need to translate this to python:

2

A: How can I detect the back button being pressed in QWizard?

Get the back button with QAbstractButton * QWizard::button ( WizardButton which ) and connect it to a slot. Example: QAbstractButton *backButton = wizard->button(QWizard::BackButton); connect(backButton, signal(clicked()), this, SLOT(backClicked()));

KGIII

03:25

Microsoft Open-Sources Visual Studio Code

(I meant to post that hours ago. Sorry.)

Nathan Osman

I saw it on GitHub earlier.

KGIII

Good. Now I don't feel so bad for forgetting. :D

It may be of value to others, however.

Hmm... I think it's time to start a site again. :/ Time to brush up on my PHP and MySQL.

Or unleash a horrific CMS in entirely uncommented Perl on the world just for my own amusement.

Seth

@NathanOsman What is the * doing here?

QAbstractButton *backButton = wizard->button(QWizard::BackButton);

my knowledge of pointers is.. not worth mentioning :/

KGIII

03:48

Has anyone tried Visual Studio Code for Linux? I've downloaded it but I'm curious if anyone in here's given it a shot.

Seth

03:58

I've tried it before.

It's basic, but not bad.

KGIII

Good for hacking PHP maybe?

user139252

Somebody decided it would be fun to crash their truck into a power-line... I apologize for disappearing earlier.

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