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Rinzwind

12:00 PM

what did show unprintables? cat -v?

Serg

cat -A

Rinzwind

F1. bbl :=)

Byte Commander

@Rinzwind @Zanna @Serg OP added download link to the files.

Zanna

oooh

Byte Commander

Doing their command myself results in a smaller file than the original.

But comparing my result with their result using wc tells me that both have the exactly same line and word count, theirs is just larger in bytes.

Zanna

12:16 PM

i also get a smaller file

Serg

DIR:/桌面|06:17|skolodya@ubuntu:
$ file sorted-file.txt
sorted-file.txt: ASCII text, with CRLF line terminators

DIR:/桌面|06:17|skolodya@ubuntu:
$ file file.txt
file.txt: UTF-8 Unicode text

maybe that helps ?

$ cat -A  sorted-file.txt  | head
a^M$
aa^M$
aaa^M$
aad^M$
aads^M$
aafje^M$
aafjes^M$
aafke^M$
aafkes^M$
aaftink^M$

DIR:/桌面|06:19|skolodya@ubuntu:
$ cat -A  file.txt  | head
adhd$
adsl$
amvb$
aov$
aow$
arob$
asfa$
atb$
aarlen$
aarlenaar$

@Rinzwind ^

Told ya , non print chars

carriage return and newline

terdon

Yup. Posted an answer, it's the \rs.

Zanna

why does sort change it to ASCII?
-rw-rw-r-- 1 zanna zanna 2958616 Jul 10 13:13 file.txt
-rw-rw-r-- 1 zanna zanna 2942389 Jul 10 13:16 sorted-file.txt
zanna@monster:~/Downloads$ file file*
file.txt: UTF-8 Unicode text
zanna@monster:~/Downloads$ file sorted*
sorted-file.txt: ASCII text

(that's the sorted-file I made, not the one they made)

terdon

@Zanna What's the output of locale on your system?

You're probably not using a unicode locale.

$ file *
file.txt:              UTF-8 Unicode text
new-sorted-file.txt:   UTF-8 Unicode text
sorted-file.linux.txt: UTF-8 Unicode text
sorted-file.txt:       UTF-8 Unicode text, with CRLF line terminators

Zanna

for sure everything is UTF-8 here

terdon

12:26 PM

@Zanna What's the output of locale?

Byte Commander

UTF-8 and ASCII should look exactly the same for that kind of standard latin alphabet text...

Zanna

output of locale agrees

LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=en_GB:en
LC_CTYPE="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_GB.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=

Byte Commander

But oh! Same here:

terdon

@ByteCommander Sure, but the encoding of the file could be either.

Byte Commander

$ file *
file.txt:        UTF-8 Unicode text
my-sorted.txt:   ASCII text
sorted-file.txt: ASCII text, with CRLF line terminators

How does file then determine the encoding if all contained chars fit both ASCII or UTF-8?

terdon

12:28 PM

Weird. Maybe Ubuntu's sort or uniq don't default to UTF8

Serg

Byte size perhaps ? @ByteCommander

Byte Commander

Can't imagine...

UTF8 also has 1 byte per char unless it's a special one outside the ASCII range.

Let, s see, I wrote a script to check encodings once...

Serg

ASCII is 7 bytes though, UTF is more

Byte Commander

bits!

7 bits, but the remaining bit per byte is a dummy.

terdon

Oh, hang on, what does this give you:

Serg

12:30 PM

I am sleep deprived free-lance translation. I can be excused for mistakes right now ok

terdon

echo foo > file
file file

Hmm. Never mind, that gives me ASCII too.

Serg

Ah, shell might be to blame too

Zanna

ASCII text!!

terdon

I'd guess the terminal.

@Zanna How about this:

echo "φοο" > file
file file

Zanna

aha UTF-8

terdon

12:32 PM

OK, now try sort file > newfile what does that do?

Zanna

newfile is UTF-8

Byte Commander

$ encoding-checker -s *
273882 lines in 'file.txt', thereof 301 lines with non-ASCII characters.
271576 lines in 'my-sorted.txt', thereof 298 lines with non-ASCII characters.
271576 lines in 'sorted-file.txt', thereof 298 lines with non-ASCII characters.

terdon

@Zanna That's very strange then, does sort file | sort | uniq >newfile also give UTF8?

Byte Commander

None of those files should report ASCII as encoding according to that.

Serg

Well good luck

I'm out

terdon

12:35 PM

What's encoding-checker?

Serg

His custom script

Byte Commander

3

A: ASCII source file checker

You can print all non-ASCII lines of a file using the following Python 3 script: #! /usr/bin/env python3 import sys import shutil import argparse argparser = argparse.ArgumentParser(description="Show all lines of a FILE " "containing characters that don't match the selected ENCODIN...

A Python script that tries to decode a file using a specific codec and reports lines where that fails.

terdon

Ah, I was wondering what in the world thereof meant.

Byte Commander

thereof is a valid English word!

terdon

@ByteCommander Yes. But it doesn't make sense in that context.

Byte Commander

12:38 PM

Why not?

terdon

thefreedictionary.com/thereof

@ByteCommander What do you want to say? "Of which"?

Byte Commander

yeah.

kind of that.

terdon

Then say of which :) Thereof means something different.

Byte Commander

my dictionary says something different though...

BRB

terdon

If you insist on thereof it would have to be X lines, Y lines thereof are Z

Zanna

12:40 PM

@terdon I can't do that ^^^

terdon

But that's clumsy.

@Zanna Yeah, but it's the only way I can think of to squeeze thereof into that construct. At least that can be understood while the current version can't.

Zanna

thereof is a perfectly lovely word that doesn't mean of which

terdon

Yep

Zanna

@terdon no I was talking about that pipe

file | sort | uniq > newfile

terdon

@Zanna Oh. If you're replying to a specific chat message, hover above the message you want to reply to, click on the downwards arrow that appears on the left and click on "reply".

Or use this:

17

Q: Chat Reply Helper for Stack Exchange sites

Press : to start replying to a previous message. Press ↑ as many times as you need to mark the desired message. What does it do? First of all, the Chat Reply Helper for Stack Exchange sites provides a simple key combination to select a message to reply to. This removes the need to grab the...

Zanna

12:42 PM

aha, thank you!

terdon

@Zanna You forgot the first sort:

sort file | uniq > newfile; file newfile

Zanna

I didn't see the first sort

terdon

Yeah, it's easy to miss inline commands in chat since there's no change in the background.

Zanna

yeah UTF-8

terdon

Really? So it's only the OP's file that stays as ASCII?

Zanna

12:45 PM

well I should have looked harder hahaha I just thought you made a typo

terdon

The nerve!

:P

Zanna

no, this is the file with the non ASCII character isn't it

Jacob Vlijm

@Serg did the rearrange desktop thing :)

terdon

@Zanna Yeah. So it seems to be taking a UTF8 file and converting it to ASCII. That's very strange.

Jacob Vlijm

...more complicated than it looked

Zanna

12:50 PM

but, even though my terminal is set to UTF-8, if I make a file by redirecting echo I get ASCII:

zanna@monster:~/Downloads$ echo unicorns > rainbows; file rainbows
rainbows: ASCII text

sorting it leaves it as ASCII

I think I should Ask A Question

unless it has nonASCII chars

user136984

Oh dear... It's getting to the stage where I can't stand politics or the news any more... :D

Zanna

@ParanoidPanda I stopped watching the news after the election, I'm ashamed to admit

terdon

@Zanna I think that might be normal. I also get that. It creates ASCII unless there are non-ASCII characters.

user136984

I don't like any of the politicians in this country any more...

terdon

The question is why it would change from UTF to ASCII.

@ParanoidPanda Oh? No longer a staunch supporter of UKIP?

Glad to hear it.

user136984

12:57 PM

@terdon: Yeah, I went off them quite a while ago actually...

terdon

Good.

CodeX

xD "monster:~/Downloads$ echo unicorns > "

user136984

Now I might be going for the Greens...

Zanna

yeah that is very strange, I can make it go from ASCII to UTF-8...

zanna@monster:~/Downloads$ echo φοο >> rainbows; file rainbows
rainbows: UTF-8 Unicode text

but how to reproduce the converse?!

terdon

You're going to get political whiplash if you're not careful :)

Zanna

12:59 PM

yay for the Greens ^_^

terdon

Quite.

@Zanna Try the same thing as with the OP's file: sort < rainbows | uniq > morerainbows does that make it ASCII?

user136984

Or maybe it will be the Monster Raving Loony Party. :P

Zanna

no I tried that already! it's still UTF-8!

terdon

Must be something about the OP's file then, I guess.

Odd

Zanna

mysterious-encoding-issue > /dev/null

jokerdino

1:12 PM

problems > me

Zanna

awww why?

jokerdino

na, just trying to find the syntax

terdon

@jokerdino sort problems | uniqe | solve > me

jokerdino

sort -u

terdon

@jokerdino Oh yeah? Well sort you too, pal!

jokerdino

1:16 PM

fscksake terdon.

5

terdon

Nice one! :)

That's the Japanese word for getting drunk while checking disk consistency, right?

fsck + sake

Zanna

xD

jokerdino

Rinzwind would know, surely.

Rinzwind

que?

dont interupt my F1 watching :+)

jokerdino

who is winning the procession?

terdon

1:19 PM

Whoever's had less sake, probably.

Rinzwind

Hamilton, Rosberg +8 sec, Verstappen +1 sec

10 laps to go

oh and corner 1 has a bit of water so it's been used for some amazing drifting :D

jokerdino

FIndia in 5th? Wow.

Rinzwind

Perez on 5 now yes

He did a fastest lap a few times

Oh he also used corner 1 to show his drifting skills D:

user136984

@terdon: 酒

user136984

I think that would be it.

terdon

1:25 PM

@ParanoidPanda Wine?

Zanna

that gives me 'liqueur' in google translate

terdon

I had it set to Spanish and it gave vino

user136984

@terdon: I'm pretty sure that that's the Kanji for さけ (sake).

terdon

@ParanoidPanda It may well be, I'm not about to trust Google Translate on this

user136984

:D

Zanna

1:26 PM

translate sucks then!

terdon

Weird that it gives wine in French, Spanish and Portuguese and Liqueur in English though.

Zanna

fsck google translate...

you wouldn't be happy if you asked for sake and got some liqueur...

terdon

Let alone wine.

user136984

@terdon: What DE do you use again?

terdon

Cinnamon

user136984

1:28 PM

Does @muru have GNOME?

user136984

I just need some help with this:

user136984

1

Q: How to access "Previous Reports" on Ubuntu GNOME?

In Ubuntu (Unity) in the unity-control-center one can access one's history of reports by going to Security & Privacy > Diagnostics > Show Previous Reports. But there seems to be no such section anywhere on Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 with GNOME 3.20 in the gnome-control-center, in fact I don't believe tha...

gnome log gnome-control-center

user136984

And so far nobody seems to have really looked at it... Who can help that is...

terdon

Anyone who chooses, of their own free will, to subject themselves to Gnome v>=3 is on their own.

user136984

:D

user136984

1:30 PM

Well, I like it.

terdon

So? That's no reason for me not to be a condescending, sanctimonious, opinionated know-it-all now, is it?

user136984

No, I suppose not. :D

terdon

By the way, if ever you happen to find a good reason for me not to be any of the above, please let me know. My girlfriend will be eternally grateful.

Zanna

haha isn't that a good enough reason?

user136984

:D

terdon

1:34 PM

Hey, I'm not going to make it easy! Where's the fun in that?

Rinzwind

@jokerdino HAM, ROS, VES. ROS under investigation (after the race).

(finished ^)

jokerdino

what did ROS do or not do?

Rinzwind

he asked about a faulty gear change and they told him what to do

terdon

Hmm. Ham, roast beef and veggie sandwich sounds like a good idea.

Or is that reactive oxygen species?

Rinzwind

last race hamilton asked about something like that too and they told him to figure it out himself _O-

jokerdino

1:36 PM

yeah, not looking good.

-5 for ROS

Rinzwind

oh could be even a -10 or a DQ

VES was 1.5 behind him ;-)

user136984

By the way, is there a way room owners and/or mods can blacklist people from entering and/or speaking in certain chat rooms?

user136984

Apart from suspending them from all chat rooms that is.

terdon

@ParanoidPanda No, only to suspend on the parent site, AFAIK. However, bear in mind that someone coming back from a suspension and engaging in the same behavior will just land themselves a longer suspension.

user136984

What does it take to have someone permanently banned?

user136984

1:41 PM

I mean, is there a point at which that would happen? Or do they just keep getting suspensions?

Byte Commander

@terdon better now?

terdon

@ByteCommander ?

You're still using thereof.

Byte Commander

o.O?

Oh, I only uploaded it to GitHub, but forgot to update the answer... :-/

terdon

Ah! :)

Byte Commander

Okay, I removed the code from the answer and replaced it with a GitHub link.

terdon

1:53 PM

@ByteCommander Oh, don't do that!

That becomes a link only answer.

Byte Commander

Otherwise it becomes an unmanageable huge chunk of code.

It was that already.

And then every answer suggesting to install a software from a PPA or anywhere else is basically link-only. If the package gets removed from there, it becomes obsolete as well.

By the way, any ideas on this?

1

Q: Keyboard LED panel indicator for Unity Desktop

I own a notebook running Ubuntu 16.04 with Unity DE that does not have any keyboard LEDs to indicate NUM-Lock or CAPS-Lock states. It would be useful for me to see them anyway, ideally through an indicator in Unity's panel. Please note that I only want to see the states of NUM-Lock, CAPS-Lock ...

unity keyboard indicator capslock numlock

It's annoying that I always have to try typing something to see if NUM-Lock or CAPS-Lock is on.

cl-netbox

Hello :)

terdon

@ByteCommander Yes, but those are usually not scripts you can simply copy/paste. As a general rule, if your code fits in an answer, it should be in an answer.

Byte Commander

@terdon One does not simply copy/paste 100+ lines of code out of an answer.

And every update would require an edit in two places.

@cl-netbox Hi boxy! :)

Zanna

2:08 PM

@ByteCommander yeah I want this hypothetical cap/num lock indicator too... but I want it at the greeter as well >_<

cl-netbox

@ByteCommander Hi Bytie ! :)

Byte Commander

@Zanna I don't care about the greeter. I would rather like to get rid of that warning triangle on the greeter that tells me that NUM-Lock is on.

Zanna

@ByteCommander oh yeah scratch that, it does warn... (I actually have no num lock, so the warning for capslock is helpful)

terdon

@ByteCommander sure you do. Much simpler than downloading from github. Especially if you're not familiar with git. I'd just paste the code into your answer and link to github. Just say that the latest version will be available in github.

Up to you though.

Zanna

I should stop talking rubbish, and do the work I am avoiding!!

Byte Commander

2:12 PM

@terdon But I just did that. It's horrible to select the whole code block in its small scrolling panel. I link the raw file on github as well, there you can simply hit Ctrl+A or select everything however you want.

However, I think this topic is interesting and controversial enough to discuss it on Meta - or is there already a post about that?

terdon

@ByteCommander Why horrible? Just click and drag. And yes, it's on github but that makes me need at least two more clicks to find it and no way of knowing if I should upvote it (I'm not about to go check code on github to decide whether to vote)

@ByteCommander The consensus is that it's always better to have things here and not elsewhere unless they don't fit or there's some other very good reason.

Byte Commander

It did not properly scroll here.

terdon

6

This suggested edit moved JSON data from the post to a gist at GitHub. Is this an appropriate edit? With code inline, the question initially contained relevant JSON data inline to the question. Per a comment asking whether the JSON was the full response, indicating it was invalid JSON, the OP ...

discussion suggested-edits review

Byte Commander

But things are big and occasionally updated.

terdon

11

A: Is it okay to link to gist code pastes?

I would post all (relevant!) code in the question body, for at least two reasons: People can have a good overview of my problem right away and dive into my code directly rather than repeatedly clicking back and forth. The code might also include some additional search terms, which is good for ...

Although that seems to be about a question

Byte Commander

2:17 PM

Those are about questions. The code in a question is not going to be maintained.

On the other hand, code in an answer is a full piece of software which can be maintained and updated every now and then.

You do not include the source code of every application you recommend to install to your answer, do you?

terdon

16

Q: Strategy to handle answers containing GitHub links

I spend a fair amount of my time on Stack Overflow in the review queues, typically in the 10k tools for reviewing flags (NAA, New Answers to Old questions), and I think it might be fair to say that we have a slight problem with answers that are being posted with a link-only pointing to GitHub. ...

discussion stackoverflow link-only-answers

@ByteCommander Of course not, but I always include my code if it's i) mine and ii) not thousands of lines.

Byte Commander

> My question is more specific about how should we handle the influx of answers pointing to GitHub without any code, and/or explanation about the link.

My answers still contain lots of explanations and instructions how to install and use it.

terdon

The main thing is that your answer only makes sense with the link. Despite the explanation. If the link breaks, or github closes down or whatever, it's useless. Also, you're adding more barriers between the person reading your answer and the information they need.

cl-netbox

@ByteCommander @terdon : I am facing a strange behaviour of the GNOME start menu in fedora 24 with GNOME 3.20. I don't like the app folders feature and want to have all applications sorted alphabetically. I want it just the way as it is in ubuntu with unity DE, so I execute the following command : gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.app-folders folder-children [] ... now the folders are gone. But after a reboot folders are set back to defaults - do you know how I can make my settings permanent ? :)

Byte Commander

Fedora? Nope.

terdon

2:23 PM

@ByteCommander Same difference, it's Gnome. The distro should be irrelevant.

Byte Commander

@terdon But if Launchpad closes down or a user stops maintaining or deletes their PPA, all answers recommending software from that PPA are dead as well.

Same if a package gets removed from the official repos.

terdon

@ByteCommander Of course. But these are things we have no control over. Unlike your own code.

Byte Commander

I have the same amount of control over a script I host on github as over a script packaged and uploaded to launchpad PPA.

cl-netbox

@terdon Which distro do you use - one with GNOME ?

terdon

Look, as I said, it's up to you. In my opinion, removing the code makes your answer much worse. If you want to force people to go visit another site to have their question answered, do so. I just think it;s a shame and decreases the use of AU.

@cl-netbox You can use any DE with any distribution.

I use Arch these days.

Byte Commander

2:28 PM

dupe askubuntu.com/q/796988/367990

cl-netbox

@terdon yes I know ... just thought you know how to make these gsettings permanent or whether it is a bug in fedora ? :)

Byte Commander

@terdon I see your point but still tend to disagree. I'm going to post that on AU Meta and see what the majority thinks.

terdon

@ByteCommander Fair enough.

CodeX

opinion poll

I kind of agree with Terdon

terdon

@cl-netbox Why would it be a bug in Fedora and not Gnome?

You could always add that command to your ~/.profile, I guess.

cl-netbox

2:32 PM

@terdon you are right ... it should be a GNOME thing, but someone using arch with GNOME 3.20 told me that in his case apps are sorted alphabetically even though gsettings are set to ['Utilities', 'Sundry']

terdon

I see.

cl-netbox

@terdon okay ... just thought you know the reason and the solution ... oh I forgot to say something : Good afternoon ! :)

terdon

No, no idea. I haven't used Gnome since Gnome3 and I never use the menu anyway.

I find using tools like gnome-do much easier.

cl-netbox

2:49 PM

Hi @jokerdino ! :) How are you ?

jokerdino

I am good, thanks.

Rinzwind

boxy!

cl-netbox

@Rinzwind Good afternoon Rinzy ! :)

Rinzwind

evening1 :=)

We dutch are doing good today

cl-netbox

@Rinzwind evening in the Netherlands ??? Afternoon in Germany ! :)

Rinzwind

2:59 PM

17:00 :=D

cl-netbox

@Rinzwind 16:59 ! :)

Rinzwind

back in 1/2 hour. Must watch Tales of Zestiria part 2.

cl-netbox

@Rinzwind have fun ! :)

@jokerdino nice to read this ! :)

Byte Commander

@terdon posted, the Meta bot should mention it in a few minutes...

terdon

Cool

Thomas W.

3:02 PM

good morning to all

Zanna

Morning @ThomasW. afternoon @Rinzwind evening (just) @cl-netbox and appropriate greetings to everyone else whatever your timezone

cl-netbox

@Zanna Good morning ! :)

Anonymous

Hi all. I need help mapping a network drive in Ubuntu.

Anonymous

I found this, but I don't understand it: askubuntu.com/questions/46183/how-to-map-a-network-drive

Zanna

I'm in London @cl-netbox so it's afternoon for me

;)

Thomas W.

3:08 PM

@onebree what don't you understand?

Anonymous

what is samba client?

Thomas W.

smbclient is how yo uaccess Windows shares on *nix

via a piece of software called Samba, and the client side of it

Anonymous

On Windows, all I needed to do was enter \\<name-of-drive>\<name-of-folder> and the password

Thomas W.

@onebree Because Windows has Samba / Windows Share functions built in

Zanna

hi @grooveplex & thanks for your edit btw :)

Thomas W.

3:09 PM

to make it work on *nix you have to provide credentials stored on the system, and then use CIFS which is a Linux way to access the Windows share

Anonymous

Oh, okay, so install the samba client package?

cl-netbox

@Zanna hahaha ... I am in Germany - so afternoon here too ! Only in the Netherlands it seems to be evening as @Rinzwind said a few minutes ago ! :)

Anonymous

I need a really quick/fast way of doing this -- I am working with my father to get some things set up, so I do not want to waste time

Thomas W.

@onebree apt-get install smbclient

grooveplex

@Zanna Well hello there

Thomas W.

3:10 PM

@onebree there is no faster way, other than using the GUI

and that's still not a 'network drive' per se

not like Windows

@onebree Ubuntu Desktop or Ubuntu Server?

Anonymous

Xubuntu desktop

cl-netbox

Hi @ThomasW. ! :) Hi @onebree ! :)

Thomas W.

@onebree okay I know the Ubuntu way, not the Xubuntu way... I could try and spin up an Xubuntu 16.04 and look into it

the CLI way will work all the time though

Anonymous

@ThomasW. thanks for helping me, btw. For once something is actually easier on windows :P

Thomas W.

@cl-netbox sup

grooveplex

3:11 PM

should I create the snapcraft tag?

By adding it to this question askubuntu.com/questions/797033/…

Thomas W.

5

Q: Can the snapcraft and snap-package tags please be merged?

Since snapcraft is the tool to build snap packages, the two tags snapcraft and snap-package should be the same thing, if possible. Having both tags in addition to ubuntu-core and snappy gives us who want to help answer all snapd/snapcraft questions more places to watch. Please let me know what ...

discussion tag-synonyms

Anonymous

OK samba client installed.

grooveplex

Which means: don't?

@ThomasW.

Thomas W.

@grooveplex if you read the accepted answer, it's already an alias / synonym

also see askubuntu.com/tags/snap/synonyms

Ask Ubuntu Meta

1

Q: What is your opinion about outsourcing larger scripts from answers to GitHub repositories?

Occasionally I write larger scripts (sometimes far over 100 lines of code) to answer questions on the site. If I believe they are useful for more people or in more cases than the specific question or if I am going to maintain and update it every now and then, I prefer to put the whole code into ...

discussion code

Zanna

3:12 PM

@cl-netbox My mum allows herself a glass of wine at 1700, so that might be a reason to count it as evening. If wine is desired at any other time, she will say 'well it's five o'clock somewhere' so clearly, all the crossTimeZoneLove going on here is a good thing...

Anonymous

(as to why I need a network drive ASAP - i need to make sure my VM works on ubuntu, to double check. It was 8GB OVA file but wouldn't fit on my 32 GB usb. Strange.)

cl-netbox

@ThomasW. nothing special ... except that after weeks of bad weather the summer arrived here ! :)

Thomas W.

@onebree is your 32GB USB formatted fat32?

@onebree 'cause if it is that's your problem

grooveplex

FAT32 allows files up to 4000 MB, I believe

Thomas W.

@onebree Let me download an Xubuntu ISO and spin up a test VM so I can try and do something 'cause I have a windows share on my system

@grooveplex which is 4GB

the OVA is 8GB

grooveplex

3:14 PM

So it doesn't fit

Even though it does

Whatever

Thomas W.

@grooveplex you may wish to look into File System Limitations - this is an age-old thing :P

grooveplex

At 2K rep, do you still get 2+ rep for every edit?

terdon

No.

It stops at 2 or 3.

As soon as you can edit without needing approval.

Zanna

2k

so you better get editing @grooveplex ;)

Anonymous

@ThomasW. yeah, what should it be then? ntfs?

Thomas W.

3:21 PM

@onebree ntfs. or exfat, but there's no GUI way (that I'm aware of) yet to create those

Anonymous

If all I need is to format it as ntfs, then I am set.

Anonymous

(I can do that in windows)

Thomas W.

take data you want to keep off the drive, then format to NTFS

reload your data

Anonymous

bye all, let me try the usb again!

Thomas W.

then copy over the OVA

Anonymous

3:21 PM

:+1:

Rinzwind

back :)

CodeX

4:02 PM

or compress your file in 4 GB part size

Thomas W.

true but that's usually overkill if they just want to transfer a 4GB file over.

and OVA is a vmware thing, i think it can break if it's split up willy nilly

(even over compression)

CodeX

I thought a file is a file ..regardless of its contain it should be working the same way ..when split and joined ..anyways

terdon

@ByteCommander you might want to post your arguments for github as an answer instead of the question. I upvoted the questions since it's a useful discussion to have but I'd like to be able to downvote the answer. Basically, we can't get community consensus unless we have answers defending each position.

CodeX

but yes NTFS is better in this case

Thomas W.

@CodeX considering an OVA is a disk image, I'd be worried about bytes getting trimmed or improperly restored. Which I have seen with compressed disk images split over tars or such

@CodeX and for 8GB, the overhead and time to compress and split is nto worth it if you can quickyl reformat the stick to NTFS

200GB, I can understand, but if you're not running NTFS or exFAT on that you're doing it wrong anyways

CodeX

4:09 PM

agreed

I never knew there is a petition to update skype xD change.org/p/microsoft-updated-version-of-skype-for-linux

Thomas W.

there's been one for an eternity

the version in Linux is ancient and buggy as heck

given Microsoft's uncaring-for-Linux nature up until the recent Ubuntu-on-Win10 thing, I'm surprised they said "Exciting news is coming for Skype for LInux users!" in announcement messages

terdon

Has any change.org petition ever actually worked?

Thomas W.

doubt it

Anonymous

4:26 PM

@ThomasW. thank you for the help! I am now running my VM after importing it on an Ubuntu host!

Anonymous

@terdon there was a change.org petition about reddit, but I think it was just a coincidence.

terdon

@onebree What, to create it? But I was thinking more about petitions to copmanies to change their products.

Anonymous

@terdon it was to remove ellen pao as interim ceo

Thomas W.

@onebree glad to hear it! Yeah, if you have a large stick that has enough free space to hold a file, but the file is > 4GB and ou get errors about not being able to have enough space to hold it

check the filesystem ;)

terdon

OK. Dunno who that is.

But yeah, there have been some successes: change.org/victories

Anonymous

4:30 PM

bye all. off to put windows on a formatted drive, and to put a new ubuntu install over the entirety of this drive on the host machine. 2 computers, yay!

Zanna

@onebree ^_^

I sign a lot of stuff and I have a folder in my email for 'good news'... it does have a few things in it! But mostly they are from big orgs like Global Justice and Greenpeace and Amnesty, that know how to turn a bunch of petition signatures into leverage

CodeX

Success stories of change petition here change.org/victories

terdon

@CodeX Too slow!

14 mins ago, by terdon

But yeah, there have been some successes: https://www.change.org/victories

CodeX

oops !

terdon

4:48 PM

Ninja'd :P

Byte Commander

@terdon I'm back and have just read your long answer. Would you still want me to remove my Pros and Cons from the question and post them as two separate answers?

Btw I really appreciate that answer and including the first, simplest working script version in the code plus a reference to the maintained GitHub project seems like a reasonable compromise.

terdon

@ByteCommander Oh, not as two, no. I was just thinking you should post an answer people can vote on. Your question presents a very good, balanced overview, but your arguments against the cons I think would be better as an answer. Just so people can vote. Although I guess they can vote on the question (in which case I should remove my upvote). Meh. Whatever you think is best.

@ByteCommander Thanks and yes I think so too.

Byte Commander

@terdon Okay, so I will remove my rebuttal comments on the Cons and post them as answer. Is that what you mean?

terdon

@ByteCommander Yes. But, as you can see, I'm not too sure about it myself :)

Byte Commander

:D

terdon

4:54 PM

I'm just saying it would be good to have two (or more) answers to vote on.

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